Fact: The following is some part of Arundhati Roy’s article in weekly Outlook dated 6 May 2002 on the Ehsan Jafri case:
“Last night a friend from Baroda called. Weeping. It took her fifteen minutes to tell me what the matter was. It wasn’t very complicated. Only that Sayeeda, a friend of hers, had been caught by a mob. Only that her stomach had been ripped open and stuffed with burning rags. Only that after she died, someone carved ‘OM‘ on her forehead…
…A mob surrounded the house of former Congress MP Iqbal Ehsan Jaffri. His phone calls to the Director-General of Police, the Police Commissioner, the Chief Secretary, the Additional Chief Secretary (Home) were ignored. The mobile police vans around his house did not intervene. The mob broke into the house. They stripped his daughters and burned them alive. Then they beheaded Ehsan Jaffri and dismembered him. Of course it’s only a coincidence that Jaffri was a trenchant critic of Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, during his campaign for the Rajkot Assembly by-election in February…”
Outlook had the guts to publish a rebuttal from a senior functionary of the BJP, the then Rajya Sabha MP Balbir Punj. The following was the reply:
“Fiddling With Facts As Gujarat Burns
Introduction: The Roys in the media are harming India with half-truths and worse.
“(Here Balbir Punj quotes some sentences from Roy’s article dated 6th May 2002)…
That was the Goddess of small things, Arundhati Roy, painting the big picture of Gujarat in Democracy: Who’s she when she’s at home? (Outlook,May 6, 2002). Roy sums here neatly almost all the charges against the Sangh Parivar. When a reputed weekly like Outlook publishes a Booker Prize-winner, it is meant to be serious commentary.(NOTE: Here we completely disagree with Balbir Punj for a change. In our opinion, Outlook is not a reputed weekly but a weekly run by a Congress sychophant loyalist Vinod Mehta, and Arundhati Roy is no respected writer whose writing is serious commentary, but an ultra-Left author whose articles are not to be taken seriously as she has written many imaginary stories full of hyperbole). And concomitantly, Roy has put her brilliant linguistic skills to the service of “truth”. Read her graphic details—”The mob broke into the house. They stripped his daughters and burnt them alive”. Roy speaks with the confidence of an eyewitness. Alternatively, she must’ve access to an eyewitness. Anyway, it reads heart-rendingly honest.
Heart-rending, yes, but honest, no. Jaffri was killed in the riots but his daughters were neither “stripped” nor “burnt alive”. T.A. Jafri, his son, in a front-page interview titled Nobody knew my father’s house was the target (Asian Age, May 2, Delhi edition), says, “Among my brothers and sisters, I am the only one living in India. And I am the eldest in the family. My sister and brother live in the US. I am 40 years old and I have been born and brought up in Ahmedabad.”
So, Roy is lying—for surely Jafri is not. But what about the hundreds of media lies that haven’t been exhumed as yet? Her seven-page long (approx: 6,000 words) hate charter against India and the Sangh Parivar is woven around just two specific cases of human tragedy, one of which—by now, we know for sure—is a piece of fiction…
…She terms Gujarat the “petri dish” of the Sangh Parivar. The fact is that Godhra has been used as a crucible by the secular fundamentalists. No wonder, after the roasting of the Ram sevaks, they, while condemning the crime, blamed the victims. Many of them invented events such as a quarrel with hawkers, misbehaviour with women and shouting of provocative slogans to justify the horrendous crime…
…But was what happened in Gujarat a “pogrom” targeted at Muslims? Loss of 900-odd innocent lives (both Hindus and Muslims) is definitely not a “genocide” of any one community. Yet it is one more shameful event in the long and unfortunate chain of communal riots in India, since the 1893 Bombay and Azamgarh riots. Beginning from the 1714 Holi riots in the Mughal period, Ahmedabad itself has witnessed no less than 10 major recorded riots.
The Sangh Parivar was not there in 1714, nor was it a dominant force during the ‘69 and ‘85 riots. So what explains these riots when Gujarat was not a ‘Sangh Parivar petri dish’?…
…Following Godhra, massive spontaneous violence broke out in various parts of Gujarat against the Muslims. Since the rioters were mainly Hindus, they also accounted for about 75 per cent of those who fell to police bullets in the first three days. In fact, till April 18 Hindus accounted for more deaths in police firing than Muslims.
But for almost three weeks now, the violence has been led by Muslims against Hindus and, naturally, a bulk of the casualties are accounted for by them. The police have booked 34,000 rioters, majority of whom are Hindus. Both communities have suffered heavy loss of business and property in the arson and looting. While rioters are communal in picking their targets, looters are not—and they target at random. One lakh Muslims are struggling in relief camps, but so are 40,000 Hindus. This is a horrible riot, which is sad enough, but why call it a genocide? Whom does it help? Not the riot victims, only our enemies across the border.
The country hasn’t suffered so much loss of face in the world as it has now, though it is like one of the scores of riots India has seen. Why? The obvious culprits are those who set ablaze a compartment full of innocent kar sevaks at Godhra and those who indulged in the senseless violence in the following weeks. But the real villains in tarring India’s image are the Roys in the media and a section of public life, who mix half-truths with fiction to settle their ideological or political scores with the Sangh Parivar.
Roy (a role model for several in the secular pack) opens her hate charter with the case of a woman named Sayeeda “whose stomach was ripped open and stuffed with burning rags”. I heard similar horror stories in Parliament. The most frequently quoted were the cases of women raped (in some cases gang-raped), their stomachs ripped open, foetuses taken out and paraded on swords or trishuls. But no one was able to give me even one specific case with all the particulars. Roy gave one, but it proved to be a piece of fiction…
… Blatant myths and fiction have lacerated the facts on Gujarat. The Times of India(March 3) reported Modi’s much-publicised misquote of Newton’s third law—”Every action has an equal and opposite reaction”. In fact, the CM had never said such a thing and no other paper except for Times of India had carried the misquote in its original reportage. But later on, numerous editorials were penned on the basis of this canard. All his denials were thrown in the dustbin…
…The Editor’s Guild came down heavily on the Gujarati press and hailed the role of the English press in coverage of the riots. The former might have been guilty of exaggeration but I am sure it has not concocted stories the way the Roys did in the English media. Surprisingly, the Guild has nothing critical to say on the role of the electronic media and of the Roys, guilty of blackening India’s name, generating more communal hate at a critical time and demonising a section of citizens through half-truths and complete lies. Some rioters may be guilty of rape and should be punished for their heinous crimes, but what about those who have raped the truth and the country in the last two months?”
This really gave the game up. After this, Arundhati Roy wrote “An apology”. The full text of that apology is reproduced here:
“To the Jaffri Family, An Apology
In a situation like the one that prevails in Gujarat, when the police are reluctant to register FIRs, when the administration is openly hostile to those trying to gather facts, and when the killings go on unabated—then panic, fear and rumour play a pivotal role.(Note how she blames others for her fault!) People who have disappeared are presumed dead, people who have been dismembered and burnt cannot be identified, and people who are distraught and traumatized are incoherent. So even when those of us who write try and use the most reliable sources, mistakes can happen.
But in an atmosphere so charged with violence, grief and mistrust, its important to correct mistakes that are pointed out.
There is a factual error in my essay Democracy: Where’s she when she’s at home? (May 6). In describing the brutal killing of Ehsan Jaffri, I have said that his daughters had been killed along with their father. It has subsequently been pointed out to me that this is not correct. Eyewitness accounts say that Ehsan Jaffri was killed along with his three brothers and two nephews. His daughters were not among the 10 women who were raped and killed in Chamanpura that day.
I apologise to the Jaffri family for compounding their anguish. I’m truly sorry.
My information (mis-information, as it turned out) was cross-checked from two sources. Time magazine (March 11) in an article by Meenakshi Ganguly and Anthony Spaeth; and “Gujarat Carnage 2002: A Report to the Nation” by an independent fact-finding mission which included K.S. Subrahmanyam, former IGP Tripura, and S.P. Shukla, former finance secretary. I spoke to Mr Subrahmanyam about the error. He said his information at that time came from a senior police official.(What was the name of the senior police official? Neither Subrahmanyam nor Arundhati Roy reveal it!)
This and other genuine errors in recounting the details of the violence in Gujarat in no way alters the substance of what journalists, fact-finding missions, or writers like myself are saying.”
The link is: http://www.outlookindia.com/rants.asp?type=single&id=20020527133759
Years later, Balbir Punj wrote in weekly Organiser dated 9 July 2006:
“Some four years ago I had a clash in print with Arundhati Roy. The occasion was the Gujarat riots that had come as a windfall to ‘secular’ brigade’s publicity campaign. Those ‘secularists’ are no where visible, not even with a telescope, when Hindus are killed in Doda. Roy, in her article Who’s she when she is at home? (The OutlookMay 6, 2002) had given a vivid account of a mob attack on house of ex-Congress MP Iqbal Ehshan Jafri, who was unfortunately killed in the riots. Roy gave a graphic detail-“mob broke into the house. They stripped his daughters and burnt them alive”.
This event became a media-occasion for Roy to demonise Hindutva. But those who had read The Asian Age (May 2, 2002) would not have been impressed because in it late Ehshan Jaffri’s son T.A. Jaffri said -“Among my brothers and sisters, I am the only one living in India. And I am the eldest in the family. My sister and brother live in the US. I am 40 years old and I have been born and brought up in Ahmedabad”. So Roy was describing the stripping and killing of Ehshan Jafri’s daughter’s in Gujarat riots, who in reality were safe in another part of the globe.
Roy had begun her charter of hate with another damning description: “Last night a friend from Baroda called. Weeping. It took her fifteen minutes to tell me what the matter was. It wasn’t very complicated. Only that Sayeeda, a friend of hers, had been caught by a mob. Only that her stomach had been ripped open and stuffed with burning rags. Only that after she died, someone carved ‘OM’ on her forehead”.
Shocked by this despicable “incident”, I got in touch with the Gujarat government. The police investigations revealed that no such case, involving someone called Sayeeda, had been reported either in urban or rural Baroda. Subsequently, the police sought Roy’s help to identify the victim and seek access to witnesses who could lead them to those guilty of this crime. But the police got no cooperation. Instead, Roy, through her lawyer, replied that the police had no power to issue summons. Thus she hedged behind technical excuses. I took up this incident in my rejoinder published as Dissimulation In Word and Images (The Outlook, July 8, 2002).”
However, here it is worth mentioning a couple of things which even Balbir Punj did not mention. This apology is also false, since Roy claims that 10 women were raped and killed that day. In reality, after reading the then English newspapers in the first week of March 2002, one finds no mention of any rapes at all. These stories of rape starting coming out in the middle of March 2002, after Time magazine concocted lies in its issue of 11 March 2002, copied by Arundhati Roy. Neither Roy nor the Time correspondent can point out any rapes, because they just didn’t happen. Roy also apologizes to the Jafri family- not to the BJP or Narendra Modi for defaming them by her incorrect claim. She should also have done that. And she should also have apologized to the country. Note how while giving the apology Roy makes sure that is only “To the Jafri family”.
Second incorrect fact- the police did nothing to stop the mob in Jafri’s house. India Today weekly dated 18 March 2002 clearly admits that at least 5 people were shot dead by the police outside Jafri’s house. The police also saved the lives of some 200 Muslims, since only 68 out of the 250 people inside the house died. It was impossible for the police to control the mob of around 10,000 people- and the mob had gone crazy after Jafri fired from his revolver on the crowd- which injured 7 Hindus- and allegedly killed 3 Hindus. But despite this- police saved 200 Muslims in this episode. . It was impossible for the police to control the mob of around 10,000 people- but they managed to disperse the mob by 8 PM on 28 February- according The Times of India’s online report at 9:41 PM published the same day. And nowhere did The Times of India accuse the police of not doing anything. On the contrary- it said that the furious mob, gone crazy by Jafri firing on it, did not allow fire tenders to reach the house. And this Times of India report POSTED ONLINE at 2:34 PM of 28 February also says that police fired on the crowd injuring 6, who were taken to hospital where 3 were critical at that time, and ultimately 5 died.
Out of the 250 people in the complex- police saved around 200, at least 180. Everyone has hidden the fact that Police Commissioner PC Pandey had visited Ehsan Jafri at 10 AM on February 28, 2002 and offered them safe passage but Jafri did not accept the offer. The Human Rights Watch in its report quotes 38 year old Mehboob Mansoori, a witness who lost 18 from his family at Gulbarg Society as saying: “Early in the day at 10:30 the police commissioner came over and said don’t worry. He spoke to Jaffrey and said something would work out then left. The name of the commissioner of police that visited in the morning is P.C. Pandey, commissioner of police Ahmedabad…”
Actually the testimony of this witness is a poorly constructed story. S K Modi in his book “Godhra: The Missing Rage” had quoted this story and completely dismantled it. But even he mentions that P C Pande visited the place at 10:30 AM. What he doesn’t mention is that he offered a safe passage to Jafri- which Jafri refused.
Also Roy says-“His phone calls to the Director-General of Police, the Police Commissioner, the Chief Secretary, the Additional Chief Secretary (Home) were ignored. The mobile police vans around his house did not intervene.” What rubbish again! Police vans outside his house not only intervened, they shot dead 5 Hindus outside his house and saved the lives of 200 Muslims, at a great risk to their own personal life.
Note here that Roy does not claim that Jafri telephoned the Chief Minister Narendra Modi as late as May 2002! Now- lies are out that Jafri actually phoned Modi as was abused by Modi on phone! The fact is- that day day the situation was out of control- Modi frantically called the Army to Ahmedabad and he was very busy handling the situation. There is NO RECORD of any call made by Jafri to Modi.And yet- liars like Teesta Setalvad seem to have paid bribes to witnesses to falsely claim that Modi had abused Jafri on phone- and Jafri old them this fact before he died!!! Imtiaz Pathan lies when he says that Jafri called Modi, there is no record of any call being made to Modi, and though Modi had a mobile phone at that time, he didn’t use it much. That day, all his official lines were busy and he was very busy handling the riots. Imtiaz Pathan has also lied that police did not come till 4:30- 5 pm when everything was over. He have already seen Times of India’s online report published at 2:34 PM on 28 February 2002 that police fired on the Hindu crowd injuring 6 at that time and that the police and the fire brigade had come. This destroys all credibility that Imtiaz Pathan may have had.
The Times of India in its online edition on 28 February 2002 reported at 2:34 PM :
“Ahmedabad: At least six persons were injured when police opened fire to disperse a rampaging mob in Meghaninagar area of the city on Thursday afternoon. The injured were brought to civil hospital where the condition of at least three is stated to be serious…the incident took place at Chamanpura area under Meghaninagar police station…”
That is- as early as 2:34 PM itself police had injured 6 outside Ehsan Jafri’s house and actually 5 were killed in their firing. This despite the hopeless situation- which is clear from reading The Times’ report that Fire Brigade and Police were not allowed to be reached by the mob. Though police gained control only after 8 PM- they fired much before that- before 2 PM and saved 200 Muslims. Kalupur was already under curfew before 2:34 PM.
Some other questions which can be raised here are: Why didn’t Jafri call any CONGRESS LEADER- and ask the Congress Party to assemble 500 workers outside his house- to save his life? Why couldn’t the Congress Party have do anything to save its former MP?
Even the National Commission for Women in its report stated that the media needlessly exaggerated the plight of women victims of the communal carnage. On 22nd April 2002, Tehelka’s website said–“Nafisa Hussain, a member of the NCW, has gone on record saying that several organisations and the media have needlessly blown out of proportion the violence suffered by minority women in the communal riots of Gujarat.”
106 thoughts on “Myth 11: In Ehsan Jafri’s case, women were raped”
Nice effort to expose so called and self proclaimed secular Arundhati Roy ! One should ask her where she is now when the recently allocated land was snatched from Amarnath Shrine Board.
“Hum Gunah Na Karein To Bhi Saza , Wo karein to bhi Maza”
nice work for truth.nowdays,its a passion to abuse Hindutva and become popular and secularist.We have to fight with such type of persons.ek kahavat hai….
“gairo se mein savdhan hoon,apno se bachana aye malik”
Arundati Roy in reality is part of the same hypocrisy we all live in. By reporting half truths, she has not only damaged the country’s image but also made gullible Indians overreact and justify all acts of violence ever since.
It’ll be interesting to hear from her regarding the recent spurt of violence in India. Am sure she’s working on a new story..
If you so why doe not Guajarath govt arrest Arundati roy for fuelling communal conflicts in India?
Gujarat government should have acted-but only it knows why it didn’t act. Had I been in Narendra Modi’s shoes-I would have sued all these LIERS for their horrible lies on Godhra and post-Godhra. Arundhati Roy, Teesta Setalvad, Pankaj Pachouri, Vinod Dua-all need 100 whippings each for their lies on the Gujarat riots.
this super lady not doing anything free
so governent should try that from where she got money and who pay them for this kind of act
Expected……I expected there wont be any comments from our Muslim brethren on this Myth………bcos watever said here is 100% true……Jai Sree ram (am a secular not a pseudo….so please consider my religious affiliation)
I wish this news of Arundhati Roy’s facade would be published in all major papers and she be humiliated nationwide. Jai Hind.
Our some friends tell’s Arundati Roy was lieing,Do you not think it is quiet one sided thinking? we r still in the favour of any riots if 2002’s incident’s happen about u or ur relatives? Do u not thinking we r partial?
The vilification of gujarat and demonising has already taken a heavy toll of the nation.
The Al qaida resolved to avenge the ‘gujarat genocide’ and at this very moment, bombs are going off in Assam,and muslim youth have enrolled in large numbers into jihadi outfits from kerela to westbengal.
A truthful report of gujarat, would have made many muslim youth to hesitate approve the killings of women and children in godhra and see the post godhra riots as an inevitable hindu reaction, and thus confined to gujarat.
The blood that is flowing now in the streets , city after city, and in this the muslim youth too are as much victims of being recruited by ‘gujarat carnage’ propoganda,is the blood in the hands of pseudo secularist writers, for is it not said that pen is mightier than the sword.
If violence is attributed to hindutva campaigners, then why not this jihadi violence be attributed to the instigation of an one sided coverage of our ‘sickular’mediamen and women?
In what way are they not to be seen as aiders and abetters of jihadi violence?
Did they ever reflect what effect it would have on young impressionable minds who hear such atrcocities been commited against thier community, who are already being targeted for recruitment by global fundamentalists?
Did they ever hesitate before penning sermonious words that were one by one proved to be blatant lies, the Best fakery case to this Arundati Roy’s rape and murder that never happened as facts,while another lady with enormous guts Taslima stood up to the bullying of Bangladeshi fundamentalists and spoke agaisnt the mindless carnage and rapine of hindu minority women in post babri masjid riots there, whom this liar called a ‘stupid’ and spoke not one word in her defense when she was being hounded out of Calcutta?
If a woman of integrity like Taslima speaks against hindu shame, then its time as a hindu we must take stock, but that lajja, or shame of bangladeshi muslims was not even discussed.
Secularists have thoroughly discredited secularism, and the very purpose of it being the consolidation of hindu society is hastened by this.
In this genuine secular values might get trampled as in all reactions, for a hindu reaction is inevitable if this goes on, and in this it is these Lajja of hindustan that is to be blamed squarely-these anti hindu minds.
They have already done the damage, and the process has started unrolling.
the chain of bomb attacks will surely as any idiot can guess will spill over to the streets, and we will find ourselves revisiting the alleys of prepartition india.
These arm chairs can only add to the confusion and really have not a bit of hold over the jihadis who have been already provided enough excuses to break away from mainstream national life.
Its sad that India should be found so wanting in finer minds that could hold up a truth that can appeal to the minds of muslim youth, who could in turn be leaders of the islamic world,by combining the syncretism of hinduism and recasting a truly indian muslim identity, instead of that prepartition day pan-islamism, our President Abul Kalam being the best example.
Instead of weaning the muslim imagination from redolent regressive medieval mindset of the jihadi to some Dara Shuko like lover of bharat,all they have done is to justify the ‘paki’ mentality and scriptural fanaticism, and act as fire fighters for the conflagrations set by them.
We are facing a civil war,and this would not have come, if atleast a fraction of critique was applied to islamic thought and its need to reform, for which none of these cowardly scribes could muster the courage, instead all the while concentrating thier guns on the besieged hindu community and its organisations.
Excellent work. Kudos to you, for stating the bare truths. Can someone sue these liars and take these enemy of the state to task. Lets all pool in money, raise funds and have copies of these distributed for free among all Indians, muslims in particular. Congress,Commies are no friend of theirs. Hope they wake up from their slumber some day.
Great Write up!!
These pseudo-secularists should be exposed.
These people have lied and lied only before the people of india.
These pseudo-secularists like Arundhati Roy should be brought to justice for spreading hate between the Hindu and Muslim communities in India.
why was my comment removed?? you fool , if you have guts keep my comment on your site and don’t delete it…you retard, women who are torn to pieces by these animals cannot file reports or get a post mortem done…
Mr Deepak- you have shown what you are. You call the moderators of this site as ‘fool’ -just because they deleted one of your comments. You cant tolerate one comment being deleted.
The only thing you can do- is abuse the BJP, RSS and this website’s author. You cannot counter even a single argument raised by this site. Instead of debating factually- and trying to prove this site wrong- you as well as others of your ilk- resort to abuses. Because thats the only thing you can do-abuse.
And as far as rapes and post-martems are concerned- I think Ehsan Jafri’s son T A Jafri knows better than you. When Jafri clearly says that all his sisters are safe in USA and not even one was killed-or raped- I think you should accept that. When someone makes an allegation- it is his duty to prove it- Arundhati Roy even in the apology said- “10 women were raped that day”. How cans he say so? Can she prove it- or raise wild allegations? Or for that matter- Mr Deepak- can you prove that 10 women were raped that day- when none of the survivors of that killing have ever alleged any rapes- and only journalists started concoting ‘rape’ theories?
The Police killed 5 Hindus infront of his house that day- and saved the lives of more than 200 Muslims in the episode. Instead of talking about this-and appreciating their excellent work despite being overwhelmingly outnumbered by the rioters- people like Arundhati Roy can only concoct lies. Vir Sanghvi, Vinod Sharma, Prannoy Roy and all others seem to be ISI-paid agents- deliberately lying to instigate Muslims to terrorism.
Do yourself a favor but the DVD “Final solution (India)” directed by Rakesh Sharma and you will find out how many women were raped, how many were brutally killed after the rapes…have u read Human Rights Commission reports?? do even know what the hell you re talking about? I have spent hours reading and analyzing documents, I am not talking abt just journalist reports, but real testimonies from survivors in Sha-Alam camps and so far…
At Gulbarg society, ehsan jafri’s family members or her daughters were not killed or raped, because they don’t live there, but women from close by who came their to take shelter were raped and killed, eye witnesses have talked about at least 8 such accounts…
These criminals and monsters have used sexual humiliation of women as a psychological weapon to hurt a community…
Roy might have got carried and gone over board in presenting certain things. But so is Balbir. After reading this I can only get feeling that Balbir is capable of giving some technically right counter statements which may not be exactly right.
In short Balbir is successful in establishing that Roy was wrong in her statements but certainly not in claiming the whole incident is a myth.
Also, unknowingly the last line of the articles speaks the truth. “It was impossible for the police to control the mob of around 10,000 people.”
Is it Ehsan’s fault to allow gathering of a mob of around 10,000 people ? Or was it the role of those “pseudo-secular” fundamentalists ?
Anyway, keep coming with these articles…me enjoy reading 🙂
Whose fault was it that 10,000 people had gathered there? I think it was the Godhra massacre. Despite being overwhelmingly outnumbered-police KILLED 5 HINDUS AND SAVED THE LIVES OF MORE THAN 200 MUSLIMS IN THIS EPISODE.
WAS IT NOT THE DUTY OF ARUNDHATI ROY TO MENTION THIS BITTER TRUTH IN HER ARTICLE- THAT POLICE KILLED 5 HINDUS AND SAVED THE LIVES OF MORE THAN 200 MUSLIMS IN THIS EPISODE- DESPITE BEING OVERWHELMINGLY OUTNUMBERED?
Ajay where did these men go when terrorist attack indian cities?? do they take swords and go to the border with anger??/ no they can only go and surround innocents and burn them alive, because inside it is all cowardliness, just want to loot and even possible rape women and then kill all of them, that is the only agenda, nuthing else is there…
IF THEY ARE SO BRAVE, WHY DON’T THEY GO TO THE BORDER AND KILL THE TERRORIST FACE TO FACE?? WHY LEAVE THAT JOB FOR ARMY, TELL THESE CHADDI BASTARDS TO TO BORDER AND KILL OVER THERE
totally shame whole indi this riots takes place in which largerly problem face muslim community. this time ploice supermo not good that shame police force also
The riots of Gujrat was a bad face of indian politics. Nobody wants riot except politicians. They want only Satta at any cost whether the brother & Sister of them killed & raped.
When terrorists attacked Mumbai, the Army was helped by many Hinduthwa groups. RSS had blood donation camps conduscted at all the affected hospitals. Army had issues a letter of good will to a shiva sainik, hope you are aware of it.
Donating blood at time of crisis does not give these RSS/SHIV SAININK men to kill innocents at other times within this country…
Hey, Mr Ajay.Sounds like ur from Bihar.
Listen buddy.If ur “educated” and not merely “instructed” and are over 18 – Lemme break a secret….The real terrorist are within the country.Wake up.Hopefully u will recognize “roys” and “mullahs” by the time u grow a slim beard.
ah sorry.was for Deepak!
Btw,Deepak..Wot bout Godhara itself? Wot happened there? Rss,that donates blood,serves voluntarily during natural calamities and doesn’t utter a word against minorities during their meets are bastards and those goats are “victims”?
Boss,every action has an equal & opposite reaction.U wud strike a mosquito to death if it bit u;goats killed,burned 50+ human beings.U expect hindus to stay calm?
Either ur impotent or braindead…
My dear bothers,
wrongs dont make a right. What happened in Godhra was shameful but what happened thereafter was even more shameful. The fiat of the lord is that blood should course through our veins but to make it flow down the streets is an insult of Lord. It is the peace loving people who died. Badmash jeete hain , ya fir jab bhi dange hote hain.
badmashon ko harao.. peace lovin ppl must not perish…. ok??
I am telling u one interesing fact that, as most of hindus extremist says that “islam spread by force( sword),if it’s like that tne muslim ruled india since gouri to bhadurshah nearly 700 years .
it’s enough time to convert all other religion people into islam
they can’t convert indians because the spirit of the indian culture is very high. it is very broad in nature. read the history of sikhism(how it is born and why) and just look into histories of the middle east and african nations. you will come to know the real facts about the PEACE LOVING ISLAM.
Shame on the reporters!!!
One should think before writing! When brutal killings happen who will have time to rape? Arundhati Roy proves herself a stupid woman to narrate a story like this.
Even the Hindu mob lost the control of thinking about sin, and crime do they have enough time to rape?
If it true to say that only a man can rape a woman, it is of same truth that a man cannot have sex when he is filled with hatred.
In my experiance of being a man I need pleasant mood to have sex. I can’t have sex when I am filled with anger.
I don’t know about Roy’s experiance. Please check with her.
THIS LADY AUTHOR ARUNDHATI ROY BENGALI WOMEN,I SUPPOSE SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE RAISED HER VOICE WHEN MILLIONS OUR BENGALI LADIES WERE RAPED AND MURDERED IN BENGAL,I FEEL SHAME FOR THESE HINDU WOMEN AUTHOR WHO DONT CRY FOR THERE OWN SISTER BUT WHEN ONCE IN A BLUE MOON WAR IS RAGED ON SINISTERS THEY WRITE WRONG PORTRAYING ANTI HINDU SENTIMENTS PRO CONGRESS APPROACH ,AS THESE SORT OF EMOTION WERE PRACTISED BY GANDHI WHEN HINDUS WERE SLAUGHTER IN WHOLE SALE IN KERELA BY MUSLIM MOPHLAH MUSLIMS GANDHI (20,000) HINDUS GOT KILLED GANDHI UTTERED NO ORD BUT ATLEAST WHEN HINDUS HAS ATLEAST START RETALIATING TO UNJUSTICES THESE AUTHORS KIKE BURKHA DUTT AND ROYS COME ON SCEEN ARE THEY GETTING SOME INCENTIVES/PACKAGE FROM ARAB WORLD ,STOP DOING THESE SERVICE MADAM WE ARE ALSO WORKING IN MNC ,ONLY VERY FEW HINDUS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CAUSE OF THEM SINCE HINDUS FAIL TO RISE TO OCCASION EVEN AFTER SO MANY SEVERE BASHING FROM ISLAM ,THERE WOMEN RAPED YET GOD KNOWS WHEN THEY WILL RESPECT THEMSELF & THERE CLAN ,COME OUT OF CLUTCHES OF BASTRAD GANDHI WHO CANNOT WALK 2 STEPS WITHOUT WOMEN ON EITHER SIDE. HINDU & SIKH OF INDIA PLEASE JAG JAO WARNA TUMHE MUSSALMAN SAF KAR DEGA PHIR HAM KAHA JAYGE.KAFIR HINDU MOHIT
Anand, you compromise the 68% of Illiterate Indians…
[b]Sex[/b] is a word used when two people have sexual intercourse with mutual agreeableness
[b]RAPE[/b] is a term used for any violent behavior that can cause physical, metal and psychological impact on another person without his will.
Now ofcourse you did not know this because you were busy being slave to ADVANI, MODI and their party while they were exploiting your FAITH!! HAHA
I know the difference between sexual intercourse and rape. But I can’t admit when Arundhati Roy writes “Two women were raped byt the time when riots were burning the village”. If she cliams men raped the women, when butal killings happening at the same place and same house it is total attack over man community first of all. You are also included in this!.
I think you know the difference between man and woman.
A writer has the responsibility of preserving social integrity when she writes. She sould not do false awakening in her writings. In her later replies also she tried her best to exxagerate the story which is not a fair deal. Im sure she is losing her face infront of the common public. I am not a writer by profession.
Now you accepted the style of writing is wrong. This is what I insist from the begining. The way she writes provoke violence. I am not saying what we (Hindus) did was right! But we should not propogate ourselves in a negative way. If you are from Gujarat, you know better than me.
All those who are preaching in mosques should teach what is peace and love. You never forget this.!!! Then there will be no violence. I am sure I will teach my people what is peace and love. I can do it any part of india. I know my people will listen when I speak from the context of epic, no one will go against peace.
Do you have the conviction in yourself.? Before you speak for anybody else have second thoughts on speaking before. Do they listen to you?……
Common my brother… do you have the conviction that they listen to you….?
3 lacs Hindus and shikhs were killed at the time of partition of Hindustan.thousands and thousands Hindu women were raped.Human right commission and Arundhati Roy has same attitude.both are want to show how they are worry about minority communities.Now time is come to call hindu jihad against the activities which is harming Hindu religion.Har sawal ka jabab hota hain,Godhra train incident Hindu logon ke liye sawal tha,aur Hindu logon ne uska kada jabab diya.
Vivek ji aapne likha ki partition ke waqt teen lakh hindu aur sikh maare gaye lekin in tadaat se kahin zyada muslims marey gaye aapne unko nahi likha. ya to aap desh mei hinduon ke alawa kisi aur ko dekhna nahi chahte ya phir beqasoor muslims ko nazar andaaz kar rahe haim.
The only way India can deal with terrorists is to end secularism. The Congress has made Indians into sheep allowing any terrorist to walk in and do whatever they please. The Pakistanis then hide behind the US pretending to be their ally in the war on terror.
First of all, make sure all Indians have the right to bear arms like they do in the US. Demand something similar to the 2nd amendment. If all law abiding Indians are armed, terrorists will think twice before pulling this stunt again. No Government is going to protect you. You are the resistance to terror.
Hi,Vinay Yadav. Partition ke time Hindu logon se jyada MUSLIM log mare the ye sarasar galat statement hain,jab jab Hindu log pratikar karne jate the tab Gandhibaba Hindu logonko hi ahimsa aur Shanti ke updesh dete the.aur PM Nehru ne to Hindu logonke uper bombs girane ki dhamki di thi,kya ye history aap ko malum hain?
From the comment given down, I feel like all Indians need to join hands with one another and be the strongest force against these anti secular force like modi and his fellow supporters
For all those who want to know the real truth behind all politics of hate, must watch a documentary by Rakesh Sharma names “The Final Solution” which was earlier banned by Cencor Board but later after a mass public petition was unbanned.
The documentary is available on internet, torrents, etc.
It is a movie which is not hindu/muslim oriented rather it is an eloquent testimony of the evil that reside in man.
May God bless us all.
Nar me nihit pashuta ka ek udaharan – “The Final Solution” by Rakesh sharma
Are you the same Abhigyan Prakash associated with NDTV?
If you are- then logically counter this site’s arguments. Your channel (or former channel) NDTV has lied horribly on this issue and maligned BJP and the Sangh Parivar.
Threat to secularism is not Sangh Parivar or Modi- but ISLAM. ISLAM has waged JEHAD on Hinduism since AD 636- when Arabs invaded Thane- and continues to do so. Muslims massacred lakhs and lakhs of Hindus- raped and enslaved lakhs and lakhs of our women- razed thousands of temples- and continue the same policy today- AS TAUGHT BY THEIR HOLY QURAN- WHICH TEACHES HATRED AND TERRORISM.
See the history of Muslim attacks on India-
This si reported by none other than Pakistani ex-Muslims- who left Islam- the religion of TERRORISM
To know what is Islam and Quranic teachings- http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
Instead of blaming Modi and BJP- read the Holy Quran to know who is responsible for violence and terrorism and who promotes hatred.
Read the history of Muslim attacks on India- ISLAM has attacked HINDUS right since AD 636- with Arabs invaded Thane. Since that time ISLAM has lead continuous attacks on Hindus slaughtering lakhs and lakhs of Hindus, converting forcibly LAKHS, RAPING LAKHS of WOMEN- TAKING AS SLAVES women and children and men.
This is in a site set up by Pakistanis- who left Islam.
HOLY QURAN TEACHES- VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM- HATRED read the following website- http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
Instead of criticizing those who have worked hard for uniting the caste-ridden Hindu society- criticize Islam and Muslims who believe that all non-believers of Allah will go to Hell and suffer horrible tortures.
To All Pie Drinkers,
I know this will not get to be published, but believe me I will have a good night sleep , calling you COWARDS and offcourse COWARDS……
maarne waala chahe hindu ho muslim ho lekin marne waalon mein jyada beqasoor hi hote hain. insaano mein farak religion se nehi hoti.
kash maarne waalon ne marne waalon k chehre pe apne apno ko dekha hota.
nafrat karne ki wajah hazaaron mein hoti hai lekin jab insaan har dusre insaan se pyar karne ki wajah dhoond lega us din yeh sab nehi hoga.
god knows truth, but i know, you are Bldy Bast..
whatever justification, fabrications or other facts this RSS VHP haters present, it is all just a shame because how come hindus like me who are in majority don’t want to kill other innocent people? Why is it always them, who GAND IS ON FIRE when they see so called injustice? This is because, they are slaves of hatred, they look for things that will cause hatred among poor people…
There are billion reasons to love each other, but these criminals find pity issues to kill innocents in the name of FAITH. THIS IS THE REASON, YOUR TAKLU ADVANI AND HANDICAPPED VAJPAYEE ARE EATING DAAL AND ROTI AND MANMOHAN SINGH AND SONIA ARE ENJOYING RASHTRAPATI BHAVAN AND TRIPS TO AMERICA…Wake up, leave your slavery and work for INDIA!!
Assailing against minorities is considered as nationalism and self defending acts by minorities are called terrorists.
But the judicial and government administrations are remaining same but verdicts would differ from person to person it is depending on the person to whom belongs to.
Who ever named as culprits on commission reports they all are leaders of the country and they are going to be a national hero’s of next generation.
Any how this country is so called secular country. And we are great followers of Mahathma Gandhi …..
WHAT HINDUS HAVE DONE IN GUJRAT WAS ACTUALLY WRITE MEDICINE FOR MUSLIMS AS IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HIT BACK AFTER 100 HINDUS ROASTED IN BOGI IN HINDUSTAN TAHN IT WILL WILL MEAN HINDUS ARE NOT MARD/EEK BAAP KI AULAD,O MEN YOU HAVE DONE GREAT JB DONT JUSTIFY THEM YOURSELF ON WEBSITE I UNDERSTAND MANY INNOCENTS WHO HAVE NO MEANING TO IT DIED but than predators of islam always check tolerance level of hindus,i assure you hindus that mohemmdans are increasing there population like anything and time is nearing when they will be 0f 40% to total popluation of india around 2020-25 than we will be able to see real/fearful face of actual islam and peace loving muslims i doubt will join the party than and hindus who are more concerned about riches and western sepertae living apart from family root will aloof.
Ex muslim 2 daughters,6 sons these bastards always have more sons ,one will do pancher shop other halwai,other if educated teacher ,more educated in arab are constant in vigil and THEY WILL STAB HINDUS 1 DAY FOR SURE.
DONT ENCOURAGE MUSLIMS BY ASSISTING FINANCIALLY LIKE TAKING GOODS FROM THERE SHOP ETC ETC WHICH AHAS BEEN TOLD TO HINDUS MANY TIME AS YOU WONT SEE MUSLIM TAKING THINGS FROM HINDU IF SAME SHOP OF THAT CAPACITY IS OF MUSLIM,HINDU BHAI JAAAAAAG JAAAAAO
Reply to vikas & Ramesh Mantri, what u think or urself, if u have guts come out & say, u vadapav, orange panty idoits, dont play foul game with muslim, we have also shed our blood for the sake of our country india, so we lov our country india understand hijra(enouc), so dont utter a single words against our prophet,What u know abt islam,plz dont say anything
I know how much Muslims love their religion- and their Prophet. I also know that majority of Muslims do not read the Quran.
However-the criticisms of Islam are done- not by me- but by former Muslims themselves.
I will ask you a simple question- is the following irrelevent, out of context- or simply quoted necessarily?
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust”(3:151)
“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”(8:12)
And this dangerous verse:
“These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!” (Quran 22:19-22)
As for Muslims-even if all the proofs in the world are shown to them about the true nature of Muhammad- they will never accept it- because it is like telling a child that his father is a rapist- or a looter. No matter how many proofs you bring-a child cant accept it. Similarly- Muslims simply cannot accept that Muhammad was anything else except a Prophet. I wont force you to change your views on Muhammad- continue to hold him in high regards- but what about the teachings of Quran?
i 100% agree with #indian and deepak. we should not fight on the basis of faith and let the bastards exploit our faith on religions ,each of whose history of the founders is great and inspiring. instead we should punish the killers and the exploiters.i should remind all one sided commentators supporting either religion that killers and fanatics have no religion. if you want to support your religion support it for the welfare of urself and the people who are in need.be indians !! be secular!! if we continue punishing the innocent religions and their (true) followers, we will be heading into more tensions and violence to the mankind
If you want all of us to be secular- why dont you condemn the book which is very anti-secular and preaches violence and terrorism- and whose simple motto is- CONVERT OR KILL- viz the Holy Quran? Or will secular cowardice prevent you from doing so?
You agree with people like Deepak and Indian. Basically- you people will keep kicking the dead dog- and keep a safe distance from the mad dog. Islamic communalism- is the biggest danger to humanity- teachings of Quran are the cause of worldwide terror attacks. Urge Muslims to leave this dangerous cult- and criticize it. Or refute my arguments logically- where I have quoted the Quran.
if u open ur eyes a little more and read my (previous) comment more carefully, i hope u will find that people i am talking about belong to a class of TRUE
followers not SO-CALLED followers who use the name of God for their evil and selfish motives.your so-called ideology of quran is completely made up. you want me to refute your arguments, i will do that.
the quotations used is absolutely misinterpreted by u.in those quotations the non- followers of Allah are meant by those people who are indulged in evil deeds;not those who are of other religions.Do u have any sheer idea how old the Quran is? in that time not many religions were even present. Now, if you say that these ideas were conveyed by the people who left islam, i would like to tell u that every religion, because of the flaws made by the society are unacceptable to some sections of people ;so they leave the religion, having misconceptions about it……if u still don’t get it i will give you an example from hindu religion. there is no description in the scriptures about the divisions of the society into castes and the well-known sati pratha. But the people who undergo suffering due to these things made by the society develop an anti-hindu feeling, and start proclaming that hinduism is not a good religion. but actually it is not so ..
so, kindly take a friendly advice; try to be broad minded, concerning the matter of faith of every religion. stay away from these misinterpretation of the scriptures ;which the terrorist does. I repeat “killers have no religion as they are misled beasts”.try to follow the principle of “sarva jan hitaaya ;sarva jan sukhaaya ” and prevent the bloodshed of the innocent people to lead a peaceful and harmonious life..
The cpacity of Hindus for indulging in self-deception is truly extra-ordinary!
When the bitter truth is in front of eyes- horrible teachings of Islam- you try to DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE by drawing YOUR OWN MISINTERPRETATION- because the pain of realizing the bitter truth is just too much for you.
Unbelievers- means those who do not believe in ALLAH- not those who are evil. The Quran also claims to be “CLEAR- with no ambiguity(2:99, 16:103)”- if it wanted to say- that these unbelievers are bad people- not non-Muslims- why does it not say so in a single verse?
And even for bad people- is pouring in BOILING OIL- and HOOKED IRON RODS (22: 19-22) a justifiable punishment?
Prove your claim that unbelievers mean-‘bad people’ and not ‘non-Muslims’. Even for bad people- killing mrecilessly and blind slaughtering- striking TERROR is indefensible.
the only line i agree in your comment is the first but only for your context.
i again request u to open ur eyes a little more but this time it is not for my comment but for yours!! read the quotation 3:151 set up so proudly by urself and see he word “EVIL”,”UNJUST” in it.this justifies ur “if it wanted to say- that these unbelievers are bad people- not non-Muslims- why does it not say so in a single verse?……..blah-blah” statement. even a child who is not exploited by anti–secular feelings can understand to whom this verse is addressed to. ur comment has made read 60-70 quotations from the sites of former-muslims but i did not find anything that had written the non-muslims will be massacred. please show any such quotation to prove me wrong.
for ur allegation regarding the way of punishment;i think that all the 3rd degrees given to the criminals by the police involves physical torture;although i agree not that severe.Now if u sit back and cry that terrorists and the criminals should not be given severe punishments such as ‘phhaansi’ i am sure u will be laughed at..
P.S- i am waiting for ur clear quotation
Well Abhishek- let us see the Quran- Chapter 5 Verse 51- “Oh ye who believe- do not make friends with Jews and Christians- he who makes friends with them is one of them”
What is this? Jews and Christians are mentioned DIRECTLY- you call this as an indication of ‘evil people’? Or are you saying that Jews and Christians are all evil people?
How evil is this Allah who kills and tortures non believers as taught in Quran Chapter 22:19-22.
Your attempt to defend 3:151 as applicable only to evil is really pathetic. Looking at 3:151- only a blind man will fail to understand the meaning of the first part- which is-“We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority…” this means- those who believe in Gods other than ALLAH- are offending Allah- because there is no God other than Allah.
The other part of this verse is- “Evil is the abode of the unjust”- undoubtedly- unjust people have evil abode. But Islam considers all non-believers in Allah as ‘unjust. Pathetic attempt to say that 3:151 is not for non-Muslims. When it is clearly mentioned that- “we will strike terror in disbelievers hearts BECAUSE THEY SET UP WITH ALLAH THAT FOR WHICH HE HAS SENT DOWN NO AUTHORITY”-i.e. because they insult Allah by not believing in Him and his Prophet. Does 3:151 say- “We will strike terror in hearts of all evil doers- whether believers or non-believers- and evil doers belief in Allah is immaterial?” Had it said anything like this- I would have conceeded one point. And what about other 3,599 verses?
Well I am happy that do you do not agree to being killed with boling oil and hooked iron rods- even for criminals.
But in this debate- there are around 3,600 verses which I can quote- which you will need to try to refute- since there are 3,600 verses in the Quran which are objectionable. One verse I will quote here is-
“When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.”
Hindus are IDOLATORS-if they repent and take to prayer is also translated as- if they establish worship- this means if they BECOME MUSLIMS- then leave them. Really- slay them wherever you find them-whats the fault of the poor idolators?
Really- what a religion teaching its followers to either convert or kill.
I will quote your exact words- “ur comment has made read 60-70 quotations from the sites of former-muslims but i did not find anything that had written the non-muslims will be massacred. please show any such quotation to prove me wrong.”
I have not understood what you are trying to say here. Please try to explain it.
If you are saying that you have seen the sites of former Muslims but not found anything saying that non-Muslims will be massacred- then see this-
Remember- ISLAM is terrorism- but many Muslims do not know this. They believe genuinely- though erroneously- that Islam is a religion of peace. I am not at all targeting all Muslims. However- Indian Muslims have a burning desire to “Re-establish” Islamic rule in India- It is this burning desire that prompts them to demand Pakistan- and get it- and continue attacks on Hindus ever since.
To further clear the air- “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.” (Quran 9:73)
This clearly makes 2 catagories- UNBELIEVERS and HYPOCRITES- so much for the claim that unbelievers mean hypocrites. All UNBELIEVERS are considered horrible anyway- and hypocrites specially mentioned again means hypocrites in Muslims.
And this- “9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”
For one this I do know you are subslave of VHP. Just like how terrorist like HAFIZ SAEED use quran and other holy books in wrong way to delude the young people you have given us a retarded explanation of what says in quran…
Because quran says those who do not believe in Allah are hypocrites or bad people does not mean they are talking about people who have good faith in other religion. BY this, a religious thinking can simply mean “who do not believe in good” as to those who believe in doing good, being religious and so on..
Juts like GEETA SAYS LORD KRISHNA SAY “I will take birth again and again to kill those who do not follow DHARMA” …now does that mean Krishna wanted to kill Christians and Muslims and so on..
no both phrases are talking about bad people in general who do not have faith in humanity, not as to faith in one particular religion.. for example:
Oye Deepak Bali,
Faking the name “Deepak Mantri” are we?
For your information- Islam and Christianity had not taken birth during Lord Krishna’s time. Instead of taking needless and far-fetched of what Lord Krishna said in the Geeta (4:7-8) read the Quran. When it is written in BLACK AND WHITE that unbelievers mean non-Muslims- idolators are abused and condemned- the Quran consists of 6300 verses out of which 3600 are horrible. DRAWING BIZZARE interpretations to the teachings of Quran by DENYING THE UNDENIABLE is the only thing COWARDS LIKE YOU CAN DO. INSTEAD OF BLAMING MODI, THACKERAY or ADVANI- you should read the cruelty taught by Quran- and practised by Muslims all along. 6 Indian soldiers were brutally tortured for 22 days by Pakistan during the Kargil war in 1999 and killed- eyes were gouged out- and boiling water was poured on them- same thing which Bangladesh did in 2001 to 16 Indian soldiers- and if you read medieval History- you will know the atrocities committed by Islam.
NOWHERE IS IT MENTIONED IN THE QURAN THAT “UNBELIEVERS ARE NOT MUSLIMS- BUT ONLY WRONG-DOERS” and the Quran claims to be “clear- no ambiguity- no doubts” (2:99 and 16:103)
Holy Quran says- “4:48 Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin.”
So jealous is their ALLAH- who will pardon Muslim murderers- but not anyone believing in any God other than Allah!
“4:56 Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.”
SO- IT IS CLEARLY STATED IN BLACK AND WHITE- THAT THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE OUR REVELATIONS (i.e. Quran and Muhammad) WILL BE EXPOSED TO FIRE- SKINS WILL BE CONSUMED. Really- even evil people do not deserve their skins to be consumed and roasted in fire- as taught in the Holy Quran. And read the next passage 4:57 to learn what believers will get!
Mr DEEPAK BALI- you are the BIGGEST S LAVE- SLAVE OF ISLAM- of MUHAMMAD- SLAVE OF QURAN- perhaps you also want to kill as many non-Hindus as possible- and then enjoy life with 72 DAMSELS IN HEAVEN- that ALLAH will PROVIDE Muslims!!!!!!!!
And nowhere does Lord Krishna say- “I will kill those who do not follow DHARMA.” The exact words are told in Geeta Chapter 4 Verses 7 and 8- and it is clearly stated- “For the victory of Good People and downfall of evil people(Paritranaya Sadhunam, Vinashayacha Dushkrutam)I will take birth again and again”.
NOWHERE DOES THE QURAN say that unbelievers are only evil people- including those evil who believe in Allah. OPEN CHALLENGE Mr DEEPAK- PRODUCE ONE VERSE FROM THE QURAN WHICH SAYS- “UNBELIEVERS MEAN EVIL PEOPLE ONLY- INCLUDING MUSLIMS WHO DO EVIL- AND BELIEVERS MEAN GOOD PEOPLE- INCLUDING THOSE WHO ARE ATHEISTS, POLYTHEISTS, IDOLATORS, NON-MUSLIMS”.
The entire QURAN is full of HORRIBLE PASSAGES- you will have to refute me 3600 times- that many times I can come back with Quranic quotations!
I don’t care about what allah does or not…
Yes, gita does say Krishna say that I will take birth to kill those who do not follow dharma…we have copy pasted the Sanskrit verse in this site before also.. check the pages and read urself…
The point is, if you think muslims are evil just base don ur religious views, then you are the most subhuman virus ever to be born on this planet, because truth is we all are children of same life force, and if someone can hate a community based on what faith they follow, then you are not what you pretend to call your self..HINDU, SIKH CHRISTIAN, JAIN OR MUSLIM…
Because truth is, there is no distinction of people by the means of faith… and those who do that, both muslims and hindus (YOU AND YOUR KIND) are all virus and plague of this planet
and asking me if I am changing names to post here, that was a genuine mistake, I was going to address the statement to you, instead I wrote your last name in my name section…but why are you so panicked about it?? The replies I see on this forum, are most of 2-3 guys using different names…you posted about 3 months ago with some other pseudo name…you re no different, but you ACTUALLY DO IT ON PURPOSE
If you guys were followers of truth and honesty, your kind would be leading india…instead leaders of RSS, VHP, SHIV SENA AND so on are most hatred among indians, hindus and muslims alike!!
“I don’t care about what allah does or not…Yes, gita does say Krishna say that I will take birth to kill those who do not follow dharma…we have copy pasted the Sanskrit verse in this site before also.. check the pages and read urself”
Well Deepak beta- produce the exact verse in Sanskrit- as I said- its chapter 4 Verses 7 and 8- and nowhere is ‘killing’ all those who do not follow Dharma mentioned.
“The point is, if you think muslims are evil just base don ur religious views, then you are the most subhuman virus ever to be born on this planet, because truth is we all are children of same life force, and if someone can hate a community based on what faith they follow, then you are not what you pretend to call your self..HINDU, SIKH CHRISTIAN, JAIN OR MUSLIM…
Because truth is, there is no distinction of people by the means of faith… and those who do that, both muslims and hindus (YOU AND YOUR KIND) are all virus and plague of this planet”
I dont expect anything else from you. I have always advocated peace and brotherhood among all religions- but ISLAM HAS NOT. When I have quoted irrefutable Quranic quotations (8:12, 3:151, 9:5 and others) you have not even attempted to refute them- point by point- since you cannot do that. Nor have you condemned the Holy Quran- which is the root cause of Islamic terrorism in the world- including the attack on World Trade Centre on 11 Sept 2001 in USA.
“and asking me if I am changing names to post here, that was a genuine mistake, I was going to address the statement to you, instead I wrote your last name in my name section…but why are you so panicked about it?? The replies I see on this forum, are most of 2-3 guys using different names…you posted about 3 months ago with some other pseudo name…you re no different, but you ACTUALLY DO IT ON PURPOSE”
I cannot speak about others in this forum- but I certainly do not use a fake name. When you are taking my surname- it does cause resentment- though I am willing to accept your claim that it was by mistake and not intentional.
“If you guys were followers of truth and honesty, your kind would be leading india…instead leaders of RSS, VHP, SHIV SENA AND so on are most hatred among indians, hindus and muslims alike!!”
Really? So those who rule India – like Sonia (Italian Christian)- Rahul (Indo-Italian), Mamata Banerjee, Lalu (in the last UPA) Taslimuddin, Karunanidhi, are all folowers of truth and honesty?
Really Deepak- if anyone is PARANOID and inhuman- it is you- because I recall few months back- you had asked- no one from RSS ever gave his life- to which it was replied- 800 RSS men were killed in Kerala by CPM, many in Bengal and Kerala, 58 BJP men were killed in Coimbatore blasts by Muslims in 1998,4 RSS officials were brutally killed by Christians in Tripura in 2001, many were killed by Sikh militants in Punjab in the 1980s- and so on- to which you said- “These criminals cant be called martyrs”. Really- you are a pathetic guy. You want RSS men to be killed- just because you dont follow its ideology- you cant blame MUSLIMS for crimes like GODHRA, and attacks on Hindus even AFTER GODHRA- and you dont have the guts to blame the HOLY QURAN for being responsible for the worst kind of violence and terrorism- not only in India- but also worldwide.
Let us say- for arguments sake- Sangh Parivar people are trouble makers. Does that make the Quran less inhuman – and violence instigating? Remember Deepak- Muslims will follow teachings of QURAN and they will force you too to convert – or torture you horribly- as taught in Quran (22:19-22) after they finish Sangh Parivar.
“I don’t care about what allah does or not”
I am an atheist. I dont believe in God at all. This ALLAH is a powerless God- who makes Muslims kill kafirs and unbelievers- instead of doing his dirty work himself. What is worrisome is your response to such horrible passages. And it is as I expected. People like you will go on kicking the dead dog- (Hindus) and keep a safe distance from the mad dog. Understand that ISLAM is the root cause of India’s problems- MUSLIMS WILL kill or convert- and torture- as taught in the Holy Quran.
hindu should be called hizrah if they have not attacked muslim after godhra ,mussalmam would have carry the guts that hindus has no unity /power to attack them,actually mualman thinks that they acn commit crime to any capacity and escape unhurt in India as Congress other protecting them.
GOOD WORK DONE BY HINDUS <NO DOUBT INNOCENT ARE SACRIFICED ON BOTH END BUT THIS IS PRICE FOR LIVING ON LAND WHERE ISLAM IS SPREADING ITS BRANCHES.
painful gandhi decision make hindustan bleed even today,HINDU BE ON ALERT.
I have gone thru almost every discussion on this forum & wud like to thank “Ramesh” for providing information which i didnt know bout the Quran….After reading the Para 9 of quran, i was in a dilemma that m i readin a Religious Book or smething else…..
Well, for deepak i just wanna know ru really a Hindu or a fake Hindu with a fake ID……& hv u ever read the Para 9 of Quran…..”Hindus (V) r staunch believer in Idol Worship…& as per quran “[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.”
Every body on the earth wants peace, who doesnt….but they (Muslims) doesnt want it at all…..Hw many of u know bout the incident that recently happened in bareilly? Everytime such things happen v will stand tall & They dare not to think of wats written in Para 9 of Quran.
Jai Mata Di….!!!!
i have read ur 2-3 comments which signifies that how inflamed are u when u saw the similar statement which u have been developing all the times in the Gita quoted by deepak. i am dead sure that if this verse of Gita would have been quoted in Quran,u would have certainly quoted this in ur first ever comment. Now i want u 2 analyse about the thought which inflamed ur mind when u first read that verse and think what would the muslims think when they read ur inflamed and exploited comment for the religion they adore and place it above their lives.
i also want u to go through those verses again (not the misinterpreted ones) and apply ur logic similarly when u applied it to refute deepak’s quotation abt the Gita’s verse.try to treat all religion with equal respect and honour. And if u want to become athelist(dont mind the spelling), which i know u r not,stop trying to play with emotion of the people of India, which ur beloved party is doing.
read my previous comments to realize what bullshit u r talking abt and to stop enrlling into ramesh’s party.
KEEP IT UP DUDE
Krishna Did say that he wd kill who do not follow dharma.
Yes, But according to Hindus “Dharma” means the duties to serve the society. It has nothing to with religion. “Dharma” need not be misunderstood. Even Court of Law punishes who failed in performing “Dharma” the duties.
Narendra Modi had very well performed his dharma far better than any CM of Congress and its allies.
Atal Bihari Bajpai too had realised at a later stage that Modi had performed better on handling the riots. But Congressmen conveniently forget this.
The media specially so-called secular media had not performed “dharma” and failed in presenting perspective. This is mainly just to help Daud, Pakistan and Bangladesh government to give wider scope to damage the face of Narendra Modi and the interest of Gujarat.
narnedra modi the cm didnt responded correctly and its all his support to hindus who created damage for muslim society
But remember modi one day u have to die and u wil be ask the same question infront of the God,then wat do u think u will be escaped………………..
After Seeing all the comments , i came to know that still their is a fight between muslims and Hindus.
Its very shamfull to have a kind of leader like Modi and people like who are in Gujrat specially Hindus. Before killing someone did you thought that what foolish thing ur going to do, u hindu people says Killing an animal is big sin , why u say that u knwo that as bcoz it is living being and u people killed live humenbeings , so what is this then it means u all are devils not humen … if ur humen and think about kiiling a living being then u will never ever kill any humen…
But one day will come when modi will cry for glass of water how he enjoyed killing others , he will suffer a lot Whe God (Allah) decide somthing that time their is no commitment to that decision…
Hindu vedas , puranas says that they cannot kill living being and they are big devils to kill others , they says muslims are terorists but if u see the truth behind every attack in India Hindus are their…
Do u all beleive this is a democratic country , were u cannot leave ur life according to u…..
Prove what is wrong in this site. And who created Allah- this all-powerful God? Why doesnt Allah reveal how he was created in either the Quran or Old testament- as said by Ajinkya- also of Australia?
Brothers everyone knows that God is One and Universal. You may call Him Brahma , Christ or Allah. But Christ didn’t create Christianity and was not a Christian. It was a religion made by St.Pauls. Similarly Islam was created by Hazrat Md. who was really nice and had a colourful persona.
For mr ramesh mantri : living an ignorant life is blissful, IT IS CLEARLY STATED IN QUARAN : 1) THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE MUSLIMS AND NON-MUSLIMS OR KAFERS 2)ALLAH IS THE ONLY GOD AND IT IS THE DUTY OF THE MUSLIMS TO SURRENDER TO THE WILL OF ALLAH AND 3)IT IS THE DUTY OF THE MUSLIM BELIEVERS TO KILL THE KAFERS AND TAKE THEIR WEALTH AND WOMEN FOR ENJOYMENT; TO DESTROY ANY SCRIPTURE THAT HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION AS COMPARED TO QUARAN. FOLLOWING THESE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS WILL LEAD THE BELIEVERS TO HEAVEN WHERE FURTHER ENJOYMENT IS AWAITING THEM.
When we look at history we see that all the religion that existed before Islam in their respective Countries was destroyed completely and is untraceable in the muslims countries. In India starting from md. gauri who has raped killed and converted countless Hindusthanis. The muslim invaders put up a structure in our Holy land and we cannot bring that down. What if Hitler was to build a church in England will that not be destroyed by the people.
Brothers my advice be everything else but dont be secular because it is reserved only for us Hindus and it doesn’t apply for the Muslims and others.
Bharat Mata Ki Jai.
Also watch “Khuda Kay Liye” by Pakisthani Director Shoaib Mansoor. Apart from all the information it clearly states that the amulet worn by the Muslim contains a paper that instructs them to “to strike down” any non believer and opposer.
Please do not produce links. Those media people are not genuine. They will remove the page. Instead, along with the link, take a screen shot the page and attach the same.
Ramesh: In olden days the non muslims are not destroyed they are converted to muslims. In olden days the kings they will capture the other countries this is the fact like this only mughal emperor captured India before that is all religious peoples r in india. The duty of muslim is nt to kill and muslims are nt taking their wealth and their women.But nonmuslim peoples are taking their wealth muslims and raping muslim womens GUJARATH riot is the great and good example for this. Vinod commment that dharma means duty to serve the people.but After goadra rail burning in gujararh only 1cast muslim peoples are dead. 9arendra modi follows Dharma means he want to serve the people but he didnt serve the people he helped for killing the people this is also said by u 1ly that narendra modi performed his duty well. Vinod comment that deepak is a hindu r not.If any1 s saying the truth u will ask he s real or fake hindu. killing of both christian and muslims so u are the fake hindu. He s not a fake hindu Dont u support the riots make the country peace and live peacefully
Ramesh Mantri from Australia… GLAD THAT YOU ARE NOT KILLED YET BY WHITE BOYS!!
Anyhow, back to point:
You are asking people to why he does not give any proof of his creation?? as to support what?? That our hindu religion has any VALID PROOFS that our gods like shiva, barhma and vishnu are real?/ You want to tell me that the universe was started by brahma in like one day??
Lol, how come out of 6 + billion people, only about 780 million people believe that existence?? And most of US, who are educated and well away from religious slavery, know for fact that these Mythological STORIES are not true but just a way of living.
Truth is Evolution and science proves it!! Truth is not that Vishnu Bhagwaan lived in Swarg Lok, but truth is that DINOSAURS existed on this planet before our brahma/vishnu/mahesh stories even sprouted in mind.
It is shameful for slaves like you to tell someone that one religion is liar and other is true as if you have better proof to prove you religion??
For people like you and others…stop proving Hinduism is better than Islam, because even if Islamic terrorism is killing innocents around the world, doe snot mean you can use Hinduism as terrorist weapon and JUSTIFY IT BY CALLING words like “backlash”, “revenge” and so on…
One luv, One Mind and One Race… THAT IS OF SANITY IN HUMANITY.
Finally talking sense Deepak.
Yes- there is NO PROOF that Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma exist and I certainly dont believe in them. I also dont believe that Lord Brahma created the universe and I am still a Hindu. This is the beauty of Hindu religion- allowing freedom of thought. We had people like Kapil and Charvak in ancient times- free thinkers. And yet- I am a Hindu- because nowhere does Hinduism insist in blind faith.
But HINDUISM IS MUCH BETTER THAN BOTH ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY. I am not saying that India is better than USA. India is a filthy, dirty place and USA is far far better- but we still love our India and want to make it like USA. We care about fellow Indians living back home (DONT yell off that I wish death for all Muslims in India)- not like you giving citizenship and abusing Indians. And by the way- till last year I was in India. I have just come for few months in Australia for my company’s work.
For ISLAM- Muslims only want one thing- HEAVEN ON DAY OF JUDGMENT AND SEX WITH 72 VIRGINS. They are all sex-crazy people wanting unlimited sex with beautiful women in Heaven which Allah will give them. What a disgusting path- created by a womanizer of a man claiming to be a Prophet. Chapter 2 Verse 223 of Quran says- “Women are your fields- go to your fields when you like”. According to Islamic law- women must produce male witnesses to prove crimes. Since rapists dont rape in the presence of witnesses- women are punished for extra marital sex after reporting rape. 3 out of 4 women in Pakistan jails are RAPE VICTIMS. When India becomes a Muslim majority which will happen in 2047- same will be the fate of all women in India. And it will be too much to expect you to condemn the Muslims for this.
And as for you Deepak- your CHRISTIAN COUNTRY USA- the Christians committed horrible atrocities on women in medieval period- not only in Europe but also USA. They burnt alive women as witches after horrible tortures.
Hole Bible Old Testament,NUMBERS 31; 17-18: Prophet Moses commanded: “Now kill every boy and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse, but keep alive for yourself all the girls and all the women who are virgins”.
Well Deepak- living in Christian USA- DARE TO QUESTION THIS COMMANDMENT OF CHRISTIAN PROPHET IN BIBLE. I am glad Hinduism doesnt insist on this. You love to use the word sex-crazy rapists for us- in reality that is what Islam and Christianity are. Let us see now if you can condmen BIBLE and QURAN for teaching this.
And you saw that a Muslim had to say about the 9/11 attacks. If your USA is attacked again next time- it will be by Indian Muslims- actively involved in jehad with UPA support- not pakistan or Afghanistan.
Teachings in Bible:
Old Testament, ISAIAH 13; 14-16: The Lord commanded, “The foreigners living in Babylon will run away to their own countries scattering like deer escaping from hunters, like sheep without a shepherd. Anyone who is caught will be stabbed to death. While they look on helplessly, their babies will be battered to death, their houses will be looted and their wives will be raped.”
New Testament, Luke 12; 51-53: Jesus said, “Do you suppose that I came to bring peace to the World? No, not peace, but division. From now on a family of five will be divided, three against two and two against three. Fathers will be against their sons, and sons against their fathers; mothers will be against their daughters and daughters against their mothers; mothers-in-law will be against their daughters-in-law, and daughters-in-law against their mothers-in-law.”
New Testament, LUKE 22; 36:Jesus said, “Whoever has a purse or a bag must take it; and whoever has no sword must sell his coat and buy one.”
New Testament, MARK 16; 15-16: Jesus said, “Go throughout the whole world and preach the Gospel to all mankind. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Hey at least Christianity didn’t follow SATI PRATHA, where as to burn alive a innocent woman along with her husband.
everyone talks against and debates Christianity in America…your Indians and your kind slave Indians know little about USA.
even IF THEY BURN WITCHES IN OLD TIMES, YOU BURNT INNOCENT WOMEN IN THE NAME OF sati.
Ramesh it is shame for people like to even debate with a filth and irrelevant man like you, who bases his debates on Bible and old testaments.
If hindu religion is so great, did it not teach your hindus not to piss on the street corners?? or how to keep your country clean?? Did it not teach you maths and science??
You bark so much about hindu books and vedas and all that crap, India can;t even make its own technologies, everything it does is because it uses Russian help and eventually comes out with something and the world thinks india is very high tech in technology.
Your looser are only followers and not innovators, same way Hindu religion is not great religion, I am hiindu but I don;t blindly go proud about it, because I have seen people of my own religion who treat their women like shit. Is this what you so called true hindus learned from RAM??
I have seen many people of other religion in india celebrate our festivals like holi, diwali and all, how many hindus actually have guts to take part in any muslim festivals like id??
Giving national holidays and subsidies for HAJJ does not make your religion any great religion, if you have a great religion, then you would have capability to live and enjoy other religions too.
If muslims don;t accept hinduism, you assholes are same, you can never appreciate their festivals and their beleifs, so shut up.
You don’t make sense and your kind is going down, because if tier was any truth is this site and your debates, the reality in India would be on your side, not on the other side…
Ya- back to our real ways arent we. Abuse Hindus for practising Sati- which was in practice only for few hundred years- from 1200-1829- it was ABOLISHED ALSO BY HINDUS like Rajaram Mohan Roy. And Sati was started because of sex-crazy Muslim invaders who used to rape and plunder Hindu women and distribute them as SLAVES in markets. To prevent that- women used to immolate themselves- and it was far better to do that than live as slaves of Muslims. (ACTUAL SLAVES). This degenerated into sati- and for your information, majority of women were willing to die- like Shivaji Maharaj’s mother Jijabai insisted on sati in 1664 but she was dissuaded by others. Unlike women in USA and Europe who were HORRIBLE TORTURED-needles inserted in their eyes, and other parts tortured- much against their wishes. Of course- their willingness to die was condemnable. As expected- you will never condemn Christians for burning and torturing women- and Muslims for slavery. AND AS FOR YOU DUMB, Chritianity institutionalizes RAPE, Hinduism doesnt do that. And how did Americans treat BLACKS IN USA? AND IN REST of THe world? BLACKS WERE KEPT AS SLAVES IN HAITI AND USA AND OTHER AREAS. At least we never did that. Sati was abolished in 1829. Slavery continued until 1860 at least in USA. And even men like Martin Luther King were assasinated for demanding Black rights- in this 20th century USA institutionalized RASCISM.
WHAT A slave of USA- who proudly lives in a country where rascism was institutionalized until the 20th century…
Oh yea, I am sure those so called BRAVE HINDU women loved to be sati
When a society is filled with chauvanist hindus, women have no choice but to accept such things. Like, women in muslim countries, do burqua, no ogood looking woman likes to hide her face, but in those countries, they have no choice so they do it.
, you will blame SATI on muslims… why would women burn themselves always death fo their husband, if slavery was happening, why didn’t all the women were burned?? everything according to you in India is muslims fault.
Delhi is known as the rape capital of India, I am sure all the muslims are doing rapes, since hindu males dicks are like 3 inches and only get hard when they see their own sisters naked lolzzz..
Yes, christians also have had brutal practices, and even still they do, all cultures do, BUT THE REAL SHAME IS HOW YOU ARE PUTTING ALL THE BLAMES FOR HINDU SUFFERINGS ON MUSLIMS.
You are telling me that hindus are so innocent and peace loving people and every crime done in india is fault of muslims
Hindus are violent people also, all cultures are. For your information, hindus tortured muslim women to umimaginable levels in 2002, and this is more recent that anything in history, for exmaple young girls age 12-15 were raped, womens breast cut off, gang rapes in day broad light, while SAYING JAI SRI RAM….
Thanks for metnioning slavery in USA, and racism that is prevelant here. But you forget to mention the strong laws that government puts on its people to minimize it. Dude Indians are more racist than white men, you guys are racist towards your own peiople.
Have you seen how a KAAM WALI isn treated at a house, or how a RICKSHA WALA is treated on the street? as if they are 3rd grade peoople, they are abused slapped and beaten. Merican are racist towards other races, how fucked up is that Hindus and indians are raciost towards other indians??
India still have slavery also, look at how many CHILD LABORERS there are, kids are sold into prostitution from kolkatta to kanya kumari.
India is number 1 in TRAFFICKING OF WOMEN FOR SEX. This is is what hinduism teaches you?? to sell your women to arab world for sex slavery?? Go look at the golbal standings how india is worst among human rights abusse.
And you are talking about america promotiing racism?? How many people die in India each year because of communal violence?? and How many people have you seen deing in USA since september 11 because of communal violence?? The number is USA since 9/11 could barely be a hundred is not, in india I can blindly count over 5,000 people dead major GUJARAT GENONCIDE.
Stop boasting your fake hindu pride, for one, our religion is so great that we don’t even have one idol. freaking 33 million gods!! gotta be kidding me, this is where our slave mentality comes in mind. We like to make BABUS and masters for everything in life, thats we we cannot pray to one god, we need different gods in different parts iof the country.
INDIA IS A COUNTY OF DIVERSITY WITHOUT UNITY, thats why north hates south, east hates west, we don;t speak one common language. This is how india is united??
LOOK AT USA, it is 3 times bigger than INDIA, but the whole country speaks one language, the country is UNITED, even if they are rasist to foreigners.
Would you not be rasicst to other if they all started coming to your land? BAL TACKREY and his suporters started beating north indians for getting jobbs in india, and you tell me what is so surprising is some americans feel the same way??
HINDUS OF MAHARASHTRA are doing this to their own people from NORTH, but AMERICANS do it to outsiders and its shame??
Dude you make me feel pity for slaves like you and the way you are trying so hard to people to belive how great hinduism is. Remember, no one else in this world really likes to know about hinduism except in some universities. LOOK AT CHINA, EGYPT, GREECE, ROME, these are cultures everyone wants to learn and understand.
How many movies have ever been made internationally on hinduism in mainstream?? comapre this to chinese culture, egypt and other world cultures, and you will realize where India and hindus stand.
IF YOU CANNOT LOVE OTHER CULTURES, AND YOUR BLIND EGO MAKES YOU THINK HINDUISM IS THE BEST RELIGIION IN WORLD, WELL THE NO ONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD WILL RESPECT YOU AND YOUR FAITH. BECAUSE TRUTH IS, OTHER RELIGIONS ARE AS GOOD AS HINDUISM IF NOT BETTER!!
I am not blaming all of India’s problems on Muslims. The problem of corruption, criminalization of politics, casteism in Hindu society are not at all a creation of Muslims. But only a fool will deny the fact that women immolating themselves started from Mohammad bin Qasim’s invasion in AD 712.
As for putting blame on others- MUSLIMS BLAME ALL THEIR PROBLEMS ON OTHERS- THEY CLAIM THAT 9/11 WAS DONE BY JEWS OR US GOVT, 26/11 BY INDIA AND ISREAL, and all other acts by ‘others’ to blame Muslims.
Muslims used to sell women in markets- there were slave markets- Hindus as well as Muslims as slaves. The drunkardness, sex-maniacs, mass murders, looting of the people,kidnapping of women all were prevalent during Muslims rule.
Hinduism may or may not be bad. (You are a perfect example of a bad Hindu. The language which you use is horrible- as admitted by yourself). Your claim that Hindus were equally brutal with Muslim girls and women in Gujarat is completely rubbish. Though on few occasions it may have happened- no girls’ breasts were cut off. Had it really happened- the media would have gone downtown with it- even if it doesnt happen- media lies about it-like the pregnant woman’s womb case. Pakistanis raped 3,00,000 (3 lakh) Hindu women in the 1971 genocide in Bangladesh and killed lakhs of Hindus- even without any cause as Godhra- whereas Hindus in Gujarat killed 700- odd Muslims even after the brutal roasting in Godhra and hundreds of Hindus were also killed.
Deepak- HINDUS were oppressed during British rule- Britain impoverished India- looted all of India’s wealth. See the book “The Economic Drain” written in the 1890s.
I will never say that Hinduism is the best. But it is far better than Islam and Christianity- which constantly threaten others with HELL. At least Hindus dont say that all non-Hindus will go to Hell for being non-HIndus- which is a basic teaching of Islam and Christianity. At least Hindus dont believe that GOD IS JEALOUS and worshipping God in the form of idols = worshipping someone other than God. At least nowhere is it mentioned in Hindu books to rape women- as taught in BIBLE ISIAH 13 14-16 and in QURAN as well (Sex with slaves is allowed- even if they are married).
I know that USA is far far better than India. That doesnt mean CHRISTIANITY IS BETTER or ISLAM is better. What Indian Muslims made of their homeland- Pakistan is for all to see. And look at Bangladesh- the filthy impoverished country with so much overpopulation and corruption. NOWHERE DOES HINDUISM INSIST ON ANYTHING- LIKE MONOTHEISM, POLYTHEISM or anything- unlike Islam and Christianity. If you feel that we Hindus are the worst- then look at Pakistan and Bangladesh to know what Indian Muslims do. Yes Delhi is the RAPE CAPITAL of India. But in Pakistan 75 % of women in jails are RAPE VICTIMS for not being able to produce male witnesses to prove rape! Islam needs male witnesses- which is impossible since rapists dont rape in presence of witnesses- and rape victims are jailed for extra marital sex. Even in India you saw IMRANA- a married woman raped by her father in law- and the seminary Deoband punishes the victim and your SECULAR Mulayam Singh Yadav openly justifiying the fatwa against a raped woman- and Congress, BSP (All led by women- including the ROMAN CATHOLIC SONIA) refusing to condemn the fatwa against a helpless raped Muslim woman.
And dont tell me that there are no rapes in USA. USA soldiers INVADED IRAQ AND RAPED 14 year olds in Iraq.
AMERICAN RAPE STATISTICS
Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. (For India- its 54 minutes)
In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.)
The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.)
And CHRISTANS like Pat Robertson JUSTIFID THE HAITI EARTHQUAKE as God’s punishment on the grounds that the people prayed to Satan to free them from SLAVERY in 1800. What a logic! See the inhumanity in such people in case of tragedies. http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/pat_robertson_blames_quake_on_haitians_satanic_pact_20100113/
JUST BECAUSE USA IS FAR BETTER THAN INDIA doesnt mean Christians are better than Hindus. They insist that Jesus is the only son of God. I just wanted to tell you- that though in the past Hindus did wrong acts- like SATI, or atrocities on Dalits, CHRISTIANS DID FAR FAR WORSE- by enslaving people, raping women, battering to death babies, mass slaughtering of CRORES OF PEOPLE in SOUTH AMERICA and even North America, even in Europe they spread by sword, Portuguese atrocities in Goa, etc etc. India at least got rid of all that by 1829- officially. But in USA this was legal and INSTITUTIONALIZED until as late as the latter half of the 20th century. And why go for USA- see what they did in SOUTH AFRICA until 1991. And Islam’s history is full of blood- murders, massacres, blinding and killing of real brothers for POWER- raping the women, slavery, etc. Their Prophet himself was a RAPIST, PEDOPHILE, LECHER, Muslims proudly claim Him to be an Ideal Man.
YOU FOOL- its not that I dont respect other cultures. I quite like the freedom and values of Western societies. But I certainly dont respect BURQA CLAD WOMEN and BAN on TV AND PICTURES AS TAUGHT IN ISLAM- and OPEN ORDERING OF RAPE as in Bible and Quran. I also accept the faults in India- not like Muslims to blame everything on others- or like Christians to feel superior to everything.
I will back in detail tomorrow, but just to laugh at your pathetic plight of actually trying to debate. You are using U.S DEPARTMENT OF Justice’s statistics here. This is the most greatest thing I have seen you done so far.
THIS IS WHAT MAKE AMERICA GRAND DADDY OF INDIA, PAKISTAN CHINA AND THE WHOLE WORLD.
it is a country like america, where government takes effort to report all crimes against women, men and children and thats why you have thes big numbers to bark about. Even with media boom in india, 90% of rapes are not reported, the number you are telling me, would be far more horrific for India if india actually had any capabilities to track all these down.
In a country, when 84 riots happened, the govt can 3000 died when actual number 10,000+ and in 85 when 15,000 died in bhopal and govt can say only officially some 3000 died and in gujarat when 2500+ died and govt can say only 1100 died, that country is nothing but full of people who are egoistic and blind in self pride.
It is America, where crimes don’t go unpunished. Yea of course US ARMY men raped women in Iraq, I don;t doubt that. Which army in this world is clean enough, even Indian army has raped women in kashmir and other states. Indian police of mumbai rapes women in their police station.
Even your religious leaders have sex with young women, the most recent SEX RACKET of that guys who was acting like sadhu baba and actually was running a sex racket all over India. Your so called peaceful hindus were licking his feet like he is divine power, this is the reality of hinduism also. Fakeness and hypocrisy is more in hindu religion than any other religion.
Dude you are making fool + idiotic looser and seriously retarded if you tell me hinduism is far better than other religions. Hinduism has some of the most disgusting and Bizarre rituals ever known to man. Go to ajmer, where these freaks pretend to remove BHOOT from bodies of people like making them do torturous things. Hinduism has some of the most pathetic rituals where one tortures himself to make the deity feel happy. I have seen videos of hindu males poking needles through their skin, mouth and body parts and doing bizarre dances on the streets…
Wao, what a great religion to practice??? There are most unimaginative customs in hindu religion that make it far less than a better religion in this world.
There are tons and tons of articles about the most unbelievable customs practicer all over India. For example, read this page where they talk about things like tongue cutting, breast cutting and Immersion is water:
Look at this article that will help you open you eyes to not to secret ANIMAL SACRIFICE so much common in indian history. It is even seen in many mainstream movies, killing animals for food is one thing, but what freaking hindu god likes to drink blood of animals call himself peaceful haan?? read this:
And there are hundreds of more articles I can paste here that deal with things like a woman being made to have sex with his husband and then other men of the family, things like HONOR KILLINGS, prostitution of children that are CURRENTLY BEING PRACTICED as frequently as one goes to movie theaters in India.
Yea of course you have talk a lot of about ancient things that christians did and their barbarism. tell me what have Hindu culture learned even in 21st century?? You fools are still doing the same thing, to the world you try to show image of India as a modern society when majority of India is still living in 12th century where WOMEN ARE THOUGHT OF COMMODITY. Their role is till confined to the house and they are abused by the so called great followers of hinduism.
And dude, there is major difference between US and India, because in cultures like US, what you see is what you get. But cultures like India, what is shown on top is only a fake mirror and truth is far from it. Just because in India sati was outlawed and child labor was banned and dowry was illegal by LAW, doe snot mean that is actually happening in that country. Things are still the same in India, women are still being burned in many parts of the country for dowry, I SEE CHILD SLAVES WORKING IN DHABAS, HOTELS and other places all over India. Poor people are still used like slaves, it is just that hindu people are so ashamed of doing this openly, they give it name of culture, traditions and system of the society.
India is more racist than USA. Indians don’t even like each other, people from south are mistreated all over India, in north or mid east. And you are telling me hindu religion is the better religion than christianity?? You don’t even know how to live in peace with each other, at least christians in USA are united as one…so shut up!! Look at how many people die in India because of internal clashes and then tell me how much UNITED HAS HINDUISM MADE ALL OF INDIA??
the first and the foremost requirement of a hindu as declared in the Gita is universal acceptance.if u can’t do this one simple and pure thing,I can’t expect u to do anything. Religions are made and are practiced by people not because of any customs or anything but because there is a need for everyone to follow a higher and inspirational ideal so that they can make themselves a better human being and live a motivational and pure life. In other words I can say that religion are the source of goodness. whatever customs people follow in their religions are due to some or the other reason which provides them eternal contentment.In this site i have seen people involving in such mundane activities regarding other religion that i have been deeply disappointed and have decided to stop my subscription to this site. I would like to certainly convey the commentators and the readers that whoever abuses and try their whole strength to put down other peoples’ religions(if you get the hint Mr.rmsh) he can be never be of his own religion(i.e he is so called )and i can guarantee that he can never ever be a good human being till he leaves this ridiculous habit and repents his deeds
Good wishes to all the believers.
Well Abhishek- may be I am wrong- and Islam and Christianity are true. (How can both of them be true? Islam claims Jesus was only a human Prophet not crucified and Mohammad the best and last of Prophets. Chrisitianity claims that Jesus was not merely a Prophet but A SON OF GOD who was crucified and Mohammad was a hoax and no Prophet. One of these religions must be false.)
If I am wrong and these quotations from the Bible and Quran are wrongly quoted- tell me what is right. Of course all religions are not the same. Of course Islam doesnt reespect Hinduism. Far from respect- Islam doesnt even tolerate Hinduism- and has downright contempt for Hindus- ridiculing idol worship and other laughable beliefs of Islam- like all idolators will go to Hell. I have a right to put forward what I read in the Bible and in the Quran- if I am wrong- pinpoint where I am wrong- instead of generalizing statements that all religions are good.
I have not downplayed others religions- other religions have ridiculed Hindu religion- so in self defence I have quoted some parts of their texts.
From your name you seem to be a Hindu. If you are- ever go to a mosque disguised as a Muslim and ask Muslims about idol worship, Hindu religion- you will only see contempt and ridicule. And the same with Christians- who laugh at Hindu religion for idol worship. It is time both these religions are told to get rid of their outdated fanatical beliefs of a Jealous God, and Hell for Hindus. If they accept this- and leave us alone- we will also leave them alone- and not mention their past atrocities.
correct me if i am wrong but in this site no one has used any quotes related to hindu religion to put it down. so according to ur statement”I have not downplayed others religions- other religions have ridiculed Hindu religion- so in self defense I have quoted some parts of their texts.” i don’t see what are u defending against.
Even if the people of other religion have a go at my religion I believe that they are the deduded ones and are ignorant people who have not fully realized the true nature of their own religion and regard their statements as the barking of dog.
But if u are influenced by the mere statements of these ignorant people and are ready to pounce upon them;then u appear to have no faith of ur own religion and are no better than them because u have weakened ur faith of universal acceptance just because of these dogs who hardly know what their own religion conveys.So I don’t go “to a mosque disguised as a Muslim and ask Muslims about idol worship, Hindu religion- you will only see contempt and ridicule. And the same with Christians- who laugh at Hindu religion for idol worship” because I know what my religion is and I don’t run about to a stinking source to confirm that and that is why I don’t have a go at other peoples’ faith just because of “self defense”…..
regarding ur quest of “which religion is true?” I have an inspirational source for u…..
that’s all I have to say.
Someone should prosecute Arundhati Roy for such malicious lies…
I read it all and whatever you tried to explain is all bias, wrong and an attempt of misguidance to the people who needs to know the truth. It seems you are not neutral. Visit the tehelka site mentioned below to know the real truth – http://www.tehelka.com/story_main35.asp?filename=Ne031107gujrat_sec.asp
criminalisation of civilisation
you will be killed …by the end of 2100..there is no hindu on this earth if u continue creating the gaddars and selfish people like arudanti and congress politition…u are not against the mild cristians but crual muslimsso be ready to get to death…i am hindu but still saying this broken heartedly…
You no what the most disgusting part is all of this genocide happned and may it be hindus or muslims all were victims but it all happened and people died… i hate to say this but the state center police all failed to avoid it and all are weak and those who did the gonocide are roaming free… SORRY BUT THIS COUNTRY IS NOT PROGRESSING BUT IS GOING TO BITS…
i wish i might see modi to get payment for his work
All this is bullshit.
This website has an ulterior motive
Wow- what a precise, scholarly point wise reply to this website! If you find this website as crap, why dont you pin point exactly what wrong this site has written and refute it? (Or would that be too much!)
who do this they are not in the earth to live with their religion but one thing they want to be know that allah is here to help the muslims Allah help in favour of such muslims who die for islam
readabout godhra kand
I know In Gujrat it is common to rape any lady and to kill anyone, because there is establishment of “RAMRAJYA”. In RAMRAJYA these all things are common. Modi has no shame who says”these all things necessary for establishment of RAMRAJYA” they all are FAKE HINDUS. They are only criminals. Narendra Modi is Leader of Criminals.
jhoot chahe kitna zor se aur kitni baar bola jaye sach nahin banta!
you guy failed again!
Reena Im surprised at ur comment.
Ulta sheela ki delhi mein aye din rape hotey hain.
Ahmedababad and whole Gujrat has office timings as late as 8 even banks are working til 2000 hours and u can just walk around with money filled brief case in dead of night. Kissi Congress, SP ya communist raaj main aisa kar ke dikhhaao.
I collectd a payment of 10 lacs in bhuj and travelled to ahmedabad in a bus with the brief case.
Reena bahut crap bolti ho
Christian supremacists like Arundhati Suzanne and the mouthpieces of global Euro-American Christian super-capitalist imperialism like the Time and CNN (of Time group) appear to harbour more hatred towards Hindus than even the hatred in the heart of Aurangzeb and Allaudin Khilji. It is no surprise that the Christian Catholic supremacist European media first broke the shockingly provocative lies about RAPE of Ehsan Jaffri’s daughters. Those are the holy tricks of their trade; CNN and the gang of Euro-American racist media arm of the world-devouring corporatist imperialists also employed horribly false misinformation to provoke Muslim sentiments, incite strife( Shia against Sunni, Christian against Muslim, Islamist thug terrorists against the Iraqi government) during the American invasions of Iraq and Libya, provoking the massacre of thousands of innocents. Western imperialism is only a natural corollary of European corporatist greed, the corporate demons being in reality aspirants for total dictatorial rule over the entire world in the benign guise of businessmen. That is why corporate Euro-imperialism and its propaganda vanguard—the European media —-never shies from provoking and making full use of the wild but stupid brutality of Islamist jihadism as its hunting hounds against the Indian civilisation. Islamist jihadism would long have become a relic from the past but for corporatist Euro-imperialism which continues to breathe life into the corpse to devastate the Indian nation. Christian fundamentalists in the shameless disguise of Indian communism and Maoism, being simply other columns of the Western corporate East-India Army, continue to unabashedly collaborate in every possible way with American corporate imperialists in falsely vilifying and dehumanising the Hindu masses. Slaves of Saudia and the Vatican in the counterfeit garb of Indian (pseudo)-Communism give false testimony before American Commission for Religious Freedom and openly call for American intervention in the sovereign judicial and administrative affairs of India. You CANNOT expect the Western imperialist news media (and its Indian fanatic cohort slaves)to cease venomous propaganda against Narendra Modi and the Godhra victims simply by presenting evidence of the truth to them. They are not targetting Narendra Modi because of any sympathy for the Muslims, their corporate masters (acting via the agency of imperialist governments)have massacred millions of Muslims in cold blood in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. They know fully well that Narendra Modi is innocent of any wrongdoing against any community, but they shall continue to accuse him of murder of Muslims and to hound him like blood-thirsty wolves till such time as he continues to stand for Vedic values. The egalitarian Vedic value-system is perceived as the biggest impediment to corporate conquest of the world by Western MNC imperialists, and that explains their all-out war waged on Baba Ramdev and Narendra Modi and of course the Indian society via thousands of leiutenants like Sonia and Sheila.