Contrasts between 1984 and Gujarat 2002 riots
Posted on August 31, 2008 - Filed Under 07-Contrasts between 1984 and Gujarat 2002 riots | 30 Comments
The media’s bias and white lies have already been seen in the previous chapters. But it is necessary to remove some more misconceptions. The media has always tried to equate the Gujarat riots of 2002 AD, and the 1984 anti-Sikh riots in the aftermath of Indira Gandhi’s assassination. Again, well-meaning people have fallen pray to the media myths.
Justice Nanavati, heading the Nanavati Commission of Inquiry probing the 1984 anti-Sikh riots submitted his report to the Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil on 9 February 2005. The report was kept under the wraps for six months, and released on the last day of the time limit 8th August 2005. After the release, the media equated the 1984 riots and the 2002 riots of Gujarat. NDTV broadcast The Big Fight on this issue in August 2005. Vinod Mehta, editor of Outlook equated both the riots and said, “A lot of things are exactly the same. In 1984, it was the killing of Indira Gandhi, in Gujarat it was Godhra…both the causes served a cause for the massacre…”
Editorial of The Times of India dated 12 August 2005 on this issue was:
“Now for Modi
BJP and Gujarat CM should take a cue from Tytler, Sajjan
We welcome the resignations of Jagdish Tytler from the ministry and Sajjan Kumar from the official post he held in the Delhi government…People who are even remotely connected with rioting can’t be allowed to hold office. This is a given in a secular democracy. Where does that leave men like Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi? He has no option but to quit office. The BJP, and its allies like the Akali Dal and Janata Dal (United) were unequivocal in demanding Tytler’s resignation. The parties invoked the ethics of Parliamentary democracy as well as the morality of public conduct to press the government for action on the Nanavati Commission. Their arguments hold true for Modi as well…”
As a result of this media hype, none other than BJP leaders have started believing that the two riots were similar. In November 2004, on NDTV’s The Big Fight, when Congress spokesperson Jayanthi Natrajan said, “We don’t call you communal because of Uniform Civil Code. We call you communal because of Gujarat”, Arun Jaitley, the BJP General Secretary replied, “I can call you anti-secular because of the 1984 riots. You have no face to show”. This was ok. But after that, Jaitley should have tried to explain the truth of the Gujarat riots and said that the party’s secular credentials are strengthened because of the Gujarat riots, when so many Hindus were killed. Instead, he unwittingly conceded that the Gujarat riots were similar to the 1984 riots!
NDTV aired a ‘Big Fight’ on 26 March 2005 on the issue of Modi being denied a visa by the USA, which included Digvijay Singh of the Congress, Rajiv Pratap Rudy of the BJP and the Jawaharlal Nehru University’s Purushottam Agrawal. NDTV also had an American voice with an American woman briefly invited through videophone from Delhi, and it was 4 against 1 with Rajiv Pratap Rudy not able to counter NDTV. This is because Rajiv Pratap Rudy is neither that good a debater, nor did he have the knowledge needed to speak in such debates. He obviously does not bother to read weeklies like ‘Organiser’ to know the true facts. He did not attack NDTV for putting it 4 against 1. Rudy talked of the 1984 riots which simply cannot be compared with the Gujarat riots. It is a figment of the biased media’s imagination and deliberate attempt to demonize the BJP that such comparisons are made, and the 1984 riots and the Gujarat riots are equated. The Congress is never embarrassed over the riots. And the differences are too glaring for the two to be equated. Rudy, instead of mentioning some true facts of the Gujarat riots, lost the debate badly to the cunning Congress-Marxist combine.
B.P.Singhal’s article in the weekly Organiser dated 9 October 2005 and in The Pioneer dated 28 September 2005 on this issue is very useful. That article can be read on www.organiser.org
Let us here see the contrasts in detail:
GODHRA AND INDIRA GANDHI’S MURDER
In 1984, Indira Gandhi’s assassination on 31st October was the cause of the riots. Indira Gandhi’s murder was terrorism. It was done by 2 people, both terrorists, with bullets. Such murders are common all over the world and also in India. There was nothing exceptionally brutal, cruel, inhuman, gruesome, and barbaric to it.
The entire Sikh community could not, in any way, be blamed for that murder. It was just an act done by 2 people, both Indira Gandhi’s bodyguards. They were not ordinary people, but terrorists. It was not a communal act, but a terrorist one. It was not an act of barbarism.
The culprits were immediately brought to book. 2 Sikhs killed 1 Congressperson, although she was the country’s Prime Minister. It was also an attack on an individual. It was not an attack on a community, a political party i.e. the Indian National Congress, nor was it an attack on a government. The attackers just wanted to kill an individual.
On the contrary, Godhra was not terrorism, even if Justice Nanavati, Narendra Modi, George Fernendes, L.K.Advani, VHP, BJP, Organiser, Panchjanya claim so. Godhra was unparalleled in the history of independent India. The pain that Indira Gandhi suffered was momentary. But this was not the case with Godhra victims. In Godhra, the train was set on fire and not a single passenger was allowed to escape out, the train being surrounded by Muslims from both sides, armed with petrol bombs, acid bombs and swords. The passengers were burnt to death in a ghastly manner. The pain was not momentary. And even 14 children were burnt to death by the mob, which did not think of letting the children escape the ghastly death.
The attackers in Godhra were not terrorists who had AK 47 rifles, guns, and grenades. They were ordinary local Muslims. Local 2,000 Sikhs did not kill Indira Gandhi. Out of the 2,000 Godhra attackers, even if one had called the police and informed them about such a conspiracy and planned attack much before 7-43 AM when the attack took place, the killings could have been prevented. Not even one of the 2000 attackers did so. The attackers were not terrorists who had undergone training in ISI’s training camps. They were local Muslims, not foreigners, and not terrorists like Indira Gandhi’s killers.
That the newspaper editors did even have the heart to think of the sadism and barbarism of Godhra, by condemning the fact that the Muslim attackers did not even allow the children to escape and watched the 59 people being burnt to death including children caused the post- Godhra riots. The killers were also not brought to book. Only 35 people were arrested for the carnage which as many as 2,000 people participated. Nobody seriously expected all 2000 to be caught, but at least two-three hundred should have been caught. What follows is an excerpt from weekly India Today (18 March 2002):
“The problem, according to former director-general of police M.M. Singh, one of the finest officers Gujarat has seen, began in Godhra on February 27. He says the police should have immediately cordoned off the area from which the attackers came and taken strong action instead of allowing the culprits to flee. This, he says, would have pacified Hindu feelings to some extent right at the very outset. “Where any act is bound to lead to communal violence the police should always take strong steps against the group which has committed the act. That invariably has a salutary effect.”… There’s another story doing the rounds about which few are keen to talk about. According to it, Modi was given an ultimatum on February 27 itself by the VHP leadership to act against the perpetrators of the Godhra carnage by evening or else face the music. By evening that day the police had detained two of the six main accused besides 50 others. That was found to be inadequate by the VHP because the number of attackers in Godhra was over 1,000.”
In Godhra, the attack was on a community, the Hindu community, and not on an individual. It was also not on an organization like the VHP. As a result, the retaliation was done by the entire community and not by a single orgnisation.
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RIOTERS
In 1984, the riots were not a ‘mass uprising’. They were not spontaneous. They were organized killings by members and leaders of a single political party, the Indian National Congress. Leaders of the Congress like Rajiv Gandhi, P V Narasimha Rao, Kamal Nath, Sajjan Kumar, Jagdish Tytler were active in the 1984 riots. In 1984, it was a political party that was enraged by the killing of one individual. In Gujarat in 2002, it was the entire society that was enraged by the Godhra killings. India Today reports (18 March 2002):
“Says political analyst Arvind Bosmia: “It is beyond the means of the Sangh Parivar to lead such an upsurge. It was largely a spontaneous reaction to the Godhra killings. And not just Modi but the entire Sangh Parivar has been put on this strident path. In fact Modi has been swept up in this militancy.”
This clearly proves that the 2002 Gujarat riots were impossible to have carried out by the Sangh Parivar alone. While in 1984, only the Congress was involved in the riots. The RSS cadres protected the Sikhs in 1984. National Minorities Commission Chairman Tarlochan Singh is on record saying this. But in the 2002 Gujarat riots, Congressmen were also involved, not only in Godhra, but also during attacks on Hindus, and also Muslims. The Times of India reported on 9th August 2003 that 5 Congress corporators were also accused of killings Muslims in the post-Godhra riots.
PAST HISTORY OF THE RIOTS
There have been hundreds of Hindu-Muslim riots in India since AD 1714. There have been conflicts between Hindus and Muslims right since AD 636. The Muslims have committed horrible atrocities on the Hindus in the medieval period. Muslims were the aggressors in all the Gujarat riots right since AD 1714. In the 1940s in particular, the Hindus suffered terribly in the Ahmedabad riots. There were also horrible riots in 1969 and 1985 in Gujarat. Wounds of the past haunted the people.
In 1984, the Hindu-Sikh conflicts (i.e. Congress- Sikh conflicts) if at all they can be called ‘conflicts’ and not ‘genocide of the Sikhs by the Congress Party’, were the first and only case of clashes between the two communities. Sikhs had not terrorized Congress leaders in the past, right since AD 636. After independence, Hindu-Sikh conflicts were not seen even once, not to talk of thrice, under the rule of the BJP (or, for that matter, even the Congress) in New Delhi. While in Gujarat, far worse riots took place at least three times under the Congress rule, as compared to the riots in 2002 under the BJP rule. The 1984 riots were the only and the bloodiest.
ACTION AGAINST RIOTERS
In 1984, no action was taken against the rioters at all. Not many arrests were made, despite the fact that as many as 10,000 people were killed in actual numbers, and officially close to 3000. Not even one person was shot dead by the police or the Army. The police was conspicuous by its absence for three full days. The army, even though available locally, was not called for three full days. But these riots escaped the media glare, because in those days, TV was barely in its infancy.
(Source: Article by B.P.Singhal in the weekly Organiser dated 9th October 2005)
In Gujarat, as many as 25,204 out of the 25,486 accused were arrested by the Gujarat police, and close to 2,000 other people, were also arrested as a preventive measure. In Gujarat, the entire police force of 70,000 was deployed on 27 February itself, along with all available units of Rapid Action Force. The Army was called immediately on 28 February, and newspapers like The Hindu and The Indian Express reported on 1st March 2002 that the Army had started arriving in Ahmedabad. All English dailies, biased as they are, admitted that the Army had staged a flag march in Ahmedabad as early as 1st March 2002 morning itself.
Already, we have at least 95 people (including 34Muslims in sevencases) convicted for post-Godhra riots in Gujarat. Not even a single person was convicted in 1984. In Gujarat, the police arrested more than 27,000 people, the highest ever in history for rioting. Not even in 1969 and 1985 were so many people arrested by the then Congress governments, when as many as 20,000 people were killed in riots which lasted as long as 5 to 6 months.
POLICE/ARMY ACTION
In Gujarat in 2002, as many as 98 people were shot dead by the police for rioting in the first three days. Out of the total killed, close to 200 were killed in police firing. As many as close to 20 % people killed in the state were in police firing. The deployment of the Army, which was then posted on the border, (Almost the entire military strength was posted on the border in view of war-clouds between India and Pakistan) was in very quick time. As per The Hindu of 1st March 2002, the Chief Minister of Gujarat, Narendra Modi had frantically called the for the deployment of the Army on February 28. The Indian Express dated 28 February 2002 also reports something similar. This is what India Today (18 March 2002) reported on the deployment of the army:
“CHRONOLOGY OF A CRISIS
FEB 27, 2002
8.03 AM: Incident at Godhra claims lives of 57 kar sevaks
8.30 AM: Modi is informed of the carnage.
4.30 PM: Gujarat Assembly adjourned and Modi visits Godhra where he holds a meeting, giving shoot-at-sight orders to the police.10.30 PM: CM holds meeting with senior government officials at Gandhinagar; orders curfew in sensitive places and pre-emptive arrests.
FEB 28, 2002
8.00 AM: Special control room set up in CM’s house to monitor the situation during VHP bandh.
12.00 PM: Modi informally contacts Centre for calling in army. Cabinet Secretary T.R. Prasad tells Defence Secretary Y. Narain that army is to be mobilised.
12.30 PM: Vice-Chief of Army Staff Lt-General N.C. Vij tells Narain that only two columns are available as the rest are deployed on the border.
12.35 PM: Prasad directs Narain to advise Chief of Army Staff Gen Padmanabhan to have troops ready due to the rapidly deteriorating situation in Ahmedabad
12.45 PM: Narain tells Vij to arrange immediate movement of troops to Gujarat.
4.00 PM: Modi requests army deployment following consultations with Advani.
6.45 PM: Cabinet Committee on Security meets under the prime minister’s chairmanship; approves the immediate movement of troops to Ahmedabad and other parts of Gujarat. Vajpayee deputes Fernandes to supervise the deployment of troops.
7.00 PM: The Gujarat Government’s formal request for army deployment is received in Delhi.
11.30 PM: Airlifting of troops begins
MARCH 1, 2002
2.30 AM: A brigade reaches Ahmedabad. The 54th Division’s General Officer Commanding contacts acting Chief Secretary.
9.00 AM: Discussions between representatives of the army and the state take place, followed by troop flag march in Ahmedabad.”
To understand this situation fully, one should read The Hindu and The Indian Express dated 1st and 2nd March 2002. The entire police force of Gujarat was deployed on 27 February itself.
Even on 1st and 2nd March 2002, riots took place in places where the Indian Army was present, i.e. Ahmedabad and Vadodara. But after 3rd March 2002, riots took place almost entirely in those places where the Army was posted. Even on 1st and 2nd March, close to 100 people each were killed, despite the presence of the Indian Army.
In 1984, despite the army being available locally, it was not called for three days. At that time, there wasn’t even an insurgency in Kashmir. There was no war-like situation between any of the neighbors, either Pakistan or China. The entire military strength was not deployed on the border. Neither were police visible in New Delhi. The police did not kill even a single attacker in firing in 1984. Not even a single preventive arrest was made in 1984, as against 827 made on 27 February itself, even before a single riot had taken place in Gujarat. Many more preventive arrests were made after the riots had begun. Narendra Modi gave shoot at sight orders in Godhra on 27 February. There were also similar orders in many other towns in Gujarat, as reported by The Hindu dated 2nd March 2002.
In 2002, the Gujarat police saved as many 24,000 Muslims from certain death in the first three days itself. At least 17,500 people are on record to be saved from certain death. Police saved Muslims in Sanjeli, Bodeli, and Viramgam from the rioters.
There are no such available records for the 1984 riots where it can be said that Sikhs were saved and rioters were killed. The entire Sikh community was held responsible for the deeds of 2 Sikhs, in 1984. And the police turned a blind eye to the riots and no action was taken against the rioters. No convictions took place in any court of law.
VERSIONS OF THE RIOTS
During the time of the 1984 riots, the versions of the riots were similar and identical in all sections of the press throughout the country. Whether it was the national English dailies, the local English dailies, the local Hindi dailies, or the regional language dailies all over the country, the reporting on the riots was exactly the same. The reporting of the TV news, radio news, was also exactly the same. In those days, TV was barely in its infancy, and hence the riots escaped the media glare. But there was not an iota of difference between the reports of any section of the media on a single case.
On the contrary, there was a contrast of day and night in the versions of the riots as projected by the ‘national’ English media as against the sharply contrasting versions appearing in the local Gujarati newspapers of all hues. This was because the Gujarati media reported the truth, while the English media always took the side of the Muslims, even if they indulged in cold-blooded murder, or were at the receiving end.
There was also a huge difference in the versions of the riots as projected by the same national English media and the electronic media, during the actual time of the riots in March April 2002, and the reports by the same media months after the actual riots.
Anyone reading the English dailies like The Indian Express, The Hindu, and the weeklies like India Today of March April 2002, will understand this fully. These same dailies/weeklies ignored their own reports during the time of the riots ever after, and started reporting completely biased and one-sided.
The TV channels also played a lot of mischief on the issue of the Gujarat riots. NDTV is the organ of the CPI (M). This is because, NDTV boss Radhika Roy, wife of NDTV Chairman Prannoy Roy, and CPI (M) MP and Politburo member Brinda Karat, wife of CPI (M) General Secretary Prakash Karat, are blood sisters. Not just that, both Prannoy and Radhika Roy are staunch Communists. B.P.Singhal writes in an article in the weekly Organiser dated 9 October 2005:
“The 1984 riots escaped the media glare because TV was barely in its infancy.
On the other hand, a lot of mischief was played by the electronic media, which went on repeating some of the gory incidents of riots day after day. One channel repeated a particularly gory seen as many as 21 times. An image was thus created by the collaborating media that the massacre of Muslims was continuing unabated in Gujarat, day after day. The truth is that the total number of riot-related accused that came to light in entire Gujarat was 25,486 (17,489 Hindus and 7,997 Muslims). The efficiency of the Police can be gauged from the fact that out of the above mentioned number, as many as 25,204 accused were arrested- out of which 17,348 were Hindus and 7,856 were Muslims. The police in Gujarat was therefore not sleeping at any time.”
PEOPLE KILLED IN THE RIOTS
In 1984, as many as 3,000 people were killed officially in just a week for the deeds of 2 people. The Ranganath Mishra Commission gives the number as 3874 in all with more than 2300 in Delhi alone.
On the other hand, in Gujarat in 2002, only 790 Muslims (a number given by a UPA Minister) were killed for the deeds of 2000 Muslims in Godhra, in addition to as many as 254 killed after Godhra, + the 59 Hindus killed in Godhra. A net result of deaths in Gujarat in 2002 would be 790 Muslims and 313 Hindus. While in 1984, it was at least 3,000 Sikhs and 1 Congressperson. The sinner victim ratio (of co-religionists) in 1984 was 2: 3000, while in 2002 in Gujarat, it was 2000: 790 and in addition 254 Hindus were killed in the post-Godhra riots.
Riots in 2002 AD in Gujarat stopped in just three days, and after 3rd March 2002, the state was completely normal except for some violence in Ahmedabad, Vadodara and some places near Godhra. This was in sharp contrast to the Gujarat riots of 1969 and 1985, which continued for as long as 5 months, or even the 1990-91-92 riots in the state.
Not even a single Congressman (or for that matter, any attacker) was killed in 1984, while as many as 254 Hindus were killed in Gujarat in 2002, after Godhra. It is on record that Muslims had started 157 riots in Gujarat after 3rd March 2002. Muslims attacked Hindus in Himmatnagar area of Ahmedabad and killed a young Hindu after gouging out his eyes.
In 1984, on the contrary, the Sikhs did not start even a single riot. No Congressman was killed after gouging out of eyes. The Sikhs did not attack any Congressman. Sikhs were poor victims in 1984, unlike the Muslims in 2002 in Gujarat, who were equally on the offensive.
RIOTS’ GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS
In 1984, the riots occurred not just in New Delhi, but also in many other far-off places, mostly in Congress ruled states. Not just that, Congressmen attacked Sikhs in as far off places as West Bengal. Veteran CPI (M) leader Harkishan Singh Surjeet in an article published in the CPI (M)’s weekly Peoples Democracy in August 2005 accused Mamata Banerjee of leading mobs to kill Sikhs in West Bengal in the 1984 riots.
In 2002, not a single person was attacked or killed in any place outside Gujarat, not even in riot-prone Mumbai. As B. P. Singhal wrote in his article in Organiser, “The Hindu community in the country ensured that the riots did not spread beyond Gujarat even though Godhra had severely outraged the Hindus all over the country.” If the VHP or the Bajrang Dal were hell-bent on killing Muslims as a matter of policy, there could have been mayhem in almost every part of India. However, none of this happened. The riots were limited to Gujarat only.
Even in Gujarat, no riots took place in one-third of the state, i.e. in Saurashtra and Kutch, even in the first three days. This shows the sincerity of the government and the Sangh Parivar in observing restraint. VHP had units in 10,000 out of Gujarat’s 18,600 villages. Had it wanted to, it could have caused riots in all the 10,000 villages. However, riots were limited only to 40 villages- and a total of 60 places.
PEOPLE RENDERED HOMELESS
In Gujarat in the 2002 riots, Hindus were also rendered homeless. As on 5 March 2002, out of the 98 relief/refugee camps opened, 85 were for Muslims and 13 were for Hindus. As on 17 March 2002, as many as 10,000 Hindus were rendered homeless in Ahmedabad alone, as per The Times of India. As on 25 April 2002, out of the 1 lakh 40 thousand refugees, 1 lakh were Muslims and as many as 40 thousand were Hindus.
In 1984, not a single Congressman or non-Sikh individual was rendered homeless. B.P.Singhal writes in his article, “On the other hand, no attempt was made to open even a single refugee camp for the hounded Sikhs at any point of time anywhere. Actually, as per Nanavati Commission report, weapons of the Sikhs living in Sikh localities were withdrawn with the promise of protection by the police while the same localities were then attacked.”
Far from non-Sikh people staying in refugee camps because of attacks by the Sikhs, even the displaced Sikhs were not provided any refugee camps to stay. This was in sharp contrast to Gujarat in 2002, when Hindus were forced out of their homes by Muslims and forced to stay in refugee camps. Some Hindus were forced to live in temples, since no relief camps were available for them.
ELECTIONS HELD
Though this issue is not directly related to the riots, a contrast here too is worth mentioning. After the anti-Sikh riots between November 1 to November 7 1984, the general elections of the Lok Sabha were held within 45 days. In these general elections, the Congress Party, riding on a sympathy wave generated by Indira Gandhi’s assassination, won as many as 415 out of the 543 Lok Sabha seats. In the Gujarat Assembly elections held in February 1985, the Congress won a staggering 149 out of 182 seats.
While in Gujarat in 2002, the elections were held in December 2002, as many as ten months after Godhra, and a good eight months after the riots. Despite this, the BJP won a huge majority of 127 out of the 182 seats, with a huge 11 % difference in the vote share of the Congress and the BJP.
Who is going to awaken the masses about the truth of the Gujarat riots? Those who claim to be ‘awakened’, i.e. the RSS and the Sangh Parivar are themselves ignorant of the truth of the Gujarat riots. Those who are aware of the truth of the riots do nothing to educate the masses and the BJP leaders on this issue. The RSS’ weeklies like Organiser, Panchjanya also concede, wittingly or unwittingly, that the post-Godhra riots were one-sided which they weren’t.
From the present situation, it is going to take nothing less than a miracle to blast the media myths on the Gujarat riots, and let the truth triumph.
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@Samrat From what you have written I can make out that you are a follower of Zakir Naik and have read books of the money hungry idiot Maurice Bucaille. If you have so much confidence in your Islam answer this:
1. Ali Sina has challenged the world’s muslims to prove logically that quran is the word of God and if someone is succesful in doing so, he will close down his website and give $5000,000 to that person. WHY HAS NOT A SINGLE MUSLIM AMONG THE WORLD’S MUSLIM POPULATION BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY ACCEPT THAT CHALLENGE? WHY?
2. Why are muslim majority countries always in a state of internal unrest if Islam is a religion of peace. Also, the minorities are oppressed their(no freedom of religion in Saudi). WHY?
3.I am quoting from Hadith Muslim which you Muslims consider to be authentic traditions of Muhammad. (Book 1 – Number 156) On being asked about the gravest sins which can be commited by man, he replied that associating a partner to Allah(Polytheism) is the biggest sin, even bigger than commiting theft or having sex with your neighbour’s wife.
Hadith Muslim – Book 1 Number 171 – Muhammad says that even if a person commits theft or adultery will go to heaven if he is a muslim. Sick Islamic Logic. This means an Osama, Saddam or any terrorist would enter paradise at the same time those who are not Muslims but good people will roast eternally in hell. WHY?
4.”9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.” Quran Chapter 9 Verse 5 RELIGION OF PEACE???? And don’t give me Zakir Naik’s explanation that this verse was revealed in a warlike situation. I have read Ibn Ishaq, Saad and Bukhari(which is authentic) and this verse was invented by Muhammad to prevent the polytheists from performing the Hajj. PLEASE JUSTIFY.
5. How can Allah be just if everyone who dies a disbeliever will go to hell? This is unfair as there were millions of people who died before Muhammad.
6. Muslims claim that Allah is formless
One whom I created with my two hands.( 38:75 )
The heavens are rolled in his right hand.( 39:67 )
That you are brought up under my eye.( 20:29 )
WHAT IS ALL THIS?
Some Contradictions in Quran
Numerical contradictions
There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations?
How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?
Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-
Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…
Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …
Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days
Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 – 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ?
Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?
Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning
Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.
So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?
Creation of the Heaven and Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heaven was created first.
Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….
Quran 79: 27 – 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth
Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!
Sun-set and Sun-rise
Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:
Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…
Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.
Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.
A resting place for Sun!?
Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s rotation.
A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”.
Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today.
Why Allah Created Stars!
Samrat if Islam is really the true religion that you claim, answer these questions.
Rahul you should bear in mind that in all religion have some bad people and good people. muslim relegion and hindu also have but Islam is a corret relegion in the world in because in ”holy quran and hadis” says all the things before that happen in the world muslims says that in moon there was a mark hundreds years ago. astronuts go there and found and then they become muslim instantly. In eygpt fharauns mummy also did not destroy about thousand years in water this also a prove please try to understand the quran than you will know which is the main relegion in the world. can you give us any true ex of hindusim I think never but I can give you many ex of Islam instantly
Indian government should give extra safety to muslim because some people like naradra modi wants to kill muslim but they dont know it will be very dangerous for them muslims cant die they come back again by the grace of allah
all you guys are just fighting with each other personally and not debating the issue… especially rahul and deepak….
and rahul… bad on your part for saying islam a terrorrist religion… u shd respect all religions.. irrespective of which u belong to..
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Suchitra I have no DOUBT , you just another slaves on RSS, In fact one of these men only with a changed name, and I am not going to argue all these premeditated bullshit you just have typed here, but let me clear your mind on how much blatantly you are lying about GUJARAT.
You said in GUJARAT muslims are most educated and pay most taxes. Well madam, you should know:
1. A comparative picture indicates that though the literacy percentage is higher than the average figure, Gujarat is still far behind Kerala. The state is ranked 15th among 25 Indian states.
2. 2. A glaring problem in Gujarat is the dropout rate. Though registration is 100 per cent, the dropout rate is higher than the all India rate, not to talk of Kerala and Tamil Nadu. At least 35 per cent of the children enrolled drop out when they reach 4th and 5th standards.
You talk about progress of GUJARAT all because of modi, first you realize the Gruesome truth of GUJARAT with modi ruling it. There are more farmers suicidal in GUJARAT now then ever before , is this HIGHLIGHT of MODI??
Read thisa rticle and open your mind to the actual truth:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/923817.cms
And yes, modi is terrorist and will be punished sooner ot later..forget about being a PM, just a thought of him being a PM sent BJP to the ground on their face, dun ever even bother making him a candidate, party won’t even secure 50 seats overall, I guarantee it! lol