Fact: As per figures given by the Union Minister of State for Home Shriprakash Jaiswal, who belongs to the Congress Party, in Parliament on 11 May 2005, 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were killed in the riots, 2548 people were injured and 223 people were missing. This was in a WRITTEN REPLY to a question asked by a Congress member on the religion wise casualties in Gujarat after Godhra. The report placed the number of riot-affected widows at 919 and the number of children orphaned at 606. The UPA government gives these figures, and hence they themselves may be inflated. To read the Rajya Sabha records click:
http://164.100.47.5/EDAILYQUESTIONS/sessionno/204/uq11052005.pdf
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=46538 or
http://news.indiainfo.com/2005/05/11/1105godhra-rs.html
Even Indian Muslims’ English newspaper Milli Gazette also reported this
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2005/01-15June05-Print-Edition/011506200511.htm
BBC too reported the same.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4536199.stm
The editorials of the national English dailies, and the articles published from the freelancers on the newspapers’ editorial pages are nothing but a pack of lies, akin the autobiography of former Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf, “In the Line of Fire”. Newspapers like The Times of India, The Hindustan Times, The Indian Express, etc. continue to publish articles saying, “Win in Assembly elections of December 2002 does not whitewash Narendra Modi’s sins of the Gujarat pogrom of 2002 when 2000 innocent Muslims were butchered” or “The Gujarat pogrom of killing thousands of Muslims did not help the BJP in the long term” etc. etc.
All these numbers again came into the picture when Narendra Modi was denied a US diplomatic visa in March 2005 by the USA and his earlier tourist visa, issued in 1998 was revoked just one day before his scheduled visit to the USA. Why the USA took as many as three years after the Gujarat riots to revoke Modi’s earlier visa is not known.
But these numbers are nothing but a pack of lies. The number of Muslims killed in the post-Godhra riots is inflated and exaggerated to unimaginable levels. Let us see the interview given by the Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to Aaj Tak’s Prabhu Chawla, excerpts of which were published in the weekly India Today, dated 4 November 2002
“Q – Your opponents call you ‘Jinnah of the Hindus’.
A- I am hearing this for the first time though I still dont consider you as an enemy.
Q- You are held responsible for the killing of 1,100 innocent people in the riots.
A- In our last interview, you said 900 people. Now you are saying 1,100. Are you adding all the people killed in other states like Maharashtra and Bengal to Gujarat’s account?(Narendra Modi is talking of the Solapur riots of 10 and 11 October 2002 in Maharashtra and other petty riots which occured long after Godhra and had nothing to do with Godhra and post-Godhra).
Q- So what is the correct toll?
A- There would have no riots in Gujarat if there had been no Godhra…
Q- Do you accept that you failed to provide security to the people of the state?
A- 98% of Gujarat would not have had peace if we had failed to fulfill our duties. We managed to control the riots in 72 hours…
Q- Why don’t you accept that Gujarat is being defamed because of Narendra Modi?
A- If that is true, give the people of Gujarat a chance to pronounce their verdict through elections.”
LINK: http://www.indiatoday.com/itoday/20021104/conf.shtml#co
As we see, the number of people killed in the riots jumped from 900 to 1100 after Narendra Modi’s previous interview, i.e. within 4 months! Now it has jumped from 900 to 2,000. May be after 10 years, at this rate it will jump to 10,000!Already it is being said that, “thousands of Muslims were killed in Gujarat” and “3,000 innocent Muslims were butchered in Gujarat”. The death of a single innocent person, whether Hindu or Muslim or belonging to any other religion, is highly unfortunate and cannot be justified. That more than 1,000 people were killed is highly unfortunate and reprehensible. But that cannot a justification to exaggerate and inflate the number of people killed to 2,000 or any higher figure.
What these lies have done to well-meaning people
It is generally believed, even in the Sangh Parivar, that the post-Godhra riots were one-sided. Even a correspondent of RSS weekly Organiser once believed the bluff that 2,000 Muslims were killed in the riots. He actually reported- “Over 2,000 Muslims were killed in Ahmedabad”.
Most leaders of BJP seem to be blatantly ignorant of the truth of the Gujarat riots. Whenever Congress leaders or anti-BJP journalists raise the issue of the Gujarat riots on TV, the BJP leaders generally fail to give befitting reply. They falter in speech. They merely try to point out that the Gujarati electorate gave a huge mandate to the BJP and to Narendra Modi in the December 2002 Gujarat Assembly polls, and mention the Godhra incident as a cause of the riots. None of them ever points out any instance of Muslim aggression, sufferings of the Hindus in the riots, police firing deaths, or the fact that only 60 places out of 18,600 saw riots. This is because of ignorance and blind belief on media lies.
After every terrorist attack, the national English media rationalizes this deed on grounds of the ‘Gujarat riots’. The Gujarat riots were the result of the Godhra massacre.That the English media justified Godhra (as a response to the Ramjanmabhoomi movement in Ayodhya), did not justify or even rationalize the post-Godhra riots (which were the direct result of Godhra) where Muslims were killed and ignored the killings of the Hindus, and it tried to and tries to de-link post-Godhra and Godhra. And it rationalizes and/ or justifies the (so-called) ‘reaction’ to the post-Godhra riots. Belgium-based world-famous scholar Dr Koenraad Elst has written: “You wouldn’t guess it from their polished convent-school English, their trendy terminology, or their sanctimoniousness, but the likes of Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib or Gyanendra Pandey have blood on their hands. The wave of Muslim violence after the Ayodhya demolition (and the boomerang of police repression and Shiv Sena retaliation) was at least partly due to the disinformation by supposed experts who denied that the disputed building had a violent iconoclastic prehistory, and implied that Hindus can get away with concocted history in their attacks on innocent mosques. This disinformation gave Muslim militants the sense of justification needed to mount a “revenge” operation and to mobilize decent Muslims for acts of violence which they never would have committed if they had known the truth about Islam’s guilt in Ayodhya.”
Similarly, had the Muslims known the truth of the Gujarat riots, the gruesome roasting of 59 Hindus in Godhra including 25 women and 15 children, and the fact that even after Godhra, hundreds of Hindus were killed and 40,000 Hindus thrown out of their homes, the sense of infuriation in Muslims would never have been there. Hence the Indian media, politicians and ‘secularist’ intellectuals truly have blood on their hands.
In March 2005, the Pakistan cricket team was on a tour to India. It refused to play a Test match in Ahmedabad on ‘political’ grounds, i.e. for ‘the killings of Muslims’ in that city. All this is clearly the result of stark lies concocted by the biased media, which it itself may have started to believe by now. All these lies and myths need to be thoroughly exposed.
That the UPA government, with Congress President and Italian-born and staunchly anti-BJP Sonia Gandhi as the UPA chief, and Communists as outside supporters, gave the figure of 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus killed in the Gujarat riots inside Parliament is something worth pondering about. These figures themselves may well be exaggerated given as they are by a Congressman, who works under Sonia Gandhi.
India Today weekly reported in its issue dated 20 May 2002, when the riots had almost stopped that “Total dead- 972” (For details, see page 122). Out of these 972, India Today included 57 people killed in Godhra. If anyone sees the English newspapers of those days, i.e. between 10 to 21 May 2002, no riots took place in Gujarat in those 10 days at all, and the Army left Gujarat on 21 May. A maximum of 20 more deaths might have happened in Gujarat after that. The death toll in Gujarat riots would thus be 935.
I myself recall reading in Nagpur-based English daily The Hitavada that 936 people were killed in the Gujarat riots after the Army left Ahmedabad on 21 May 2002. The official figures before the missing were declared dead were 952. After missing were declared dead- the toll was revised to 1180.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090301/jsp/nation/story_10608005.jsp
Adding the UPA’s figures of 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus, we have a total of 1044 people killed in the Gujarat riots, a 100 more. Hence, the true figures may well be 698 Muslims and 254 Hindus, a total of 952 people killed- before the missing were declared dead.
But let us, for argument’s sake, assume that the figures given by the UPA government are correct. Does that give anyone the reason to believe that more than 790 Muslims were killed in Gujarat? Why should the English dailies and the 24-hour news channels lie through the skin of their teeth that 2000 Muslims were killed in Gujarat? A total of 223 people are said to be missing. Out of them, how many are Hindus is also not told. The maximum number of people thus killed in Gujarat, assuming that all the missing are dead would thus amount to 1267. There is no scope for anyone in the world, including the human-rights organisations and the US-based religious freedom groups and the TV channels like NDTV and company to report that one more than 1267 people were killed in the Gujarat riots.
Despite this, Prafull Bidwai, a self-proclaimed secularist wrote in Nagpur-based English daily, The Hitavada’s Sunday magazine, Insight in July 2006, soon after the Mumbai blasts that killed 187 people in the city, that, “VHP, Bajrang Dal and the BJP butchered 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat”- ignoring Godhra completely. And he was not the only one. NDTV, mouthpiece of a political party, and that too the CPI (M), a Leftist party, reported a thousand times during the Lok Sabha elections of April- May 2004 that, “2000 Muslims were killed in Gujarat”.
2,000 is the number of Muslims who carried out the massacre and gruesome roasting alive of 59 Hindus-including 25 women and 15 children in Godhra. It is not the number of Muslims who were killed in the subsequent riots. There is no justification for violence and of even a single death, be it in Godhra or after Godhra. But why lie through the skin of your teeth that 2000 Muslims were killed when only 790 were killed? Who gains by these lies? And it is everybody’s duty to correct the figure. The point is, what should be reported is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The mentality of self-proclaimed secularists is to keep the number of Muslims who killed Hindus in Godhra as low as possible and the number of Hindus killed in that train as low as possible. Alok Tiwari, a self-styled secularist editor of The Hitavada wrote: “Just because 56 Hindus were killed in Godhra doesn’t give them the license to kill Muslims in Gujarat…” Burkha Dutt of NDTV tried to keep the number of Hindus as low as possible in 2002 in one her talk shows she said: “The karsewaks killed in Godhra- what’s the number 53 or 57…” The correct number is 59, the numbers given by self-proclaimed secularists reveals their attitude, and that attitude is to keep the numbers of Hindus killed in Godhra as low as possible.
And many writers have simply written: “‘A mob’ killed karsewaks in Godhra” instead of saying openly “2000 Muslims killed karsewaks in Godhra”. Kuldip Nayar in one his columns in 2002 said: “500 Muslims attacked the train in Godhra”. Others said 1,000- some said 1,500. The actual number is 2,000 as mentioned by Vir Sanghvi in The Hindustan Times on 28 February 2002 and in the report of the Justice Tewatia Committee. The number is not all that important. But what it shows is the mentality of trying to reduce Islam’s guilt and Hindus’ suffering as much as possible.
And it is this mentality which is responsible for them exaggerating the number of Muslims killed in the riots to as much as possible. When the total number of people killed in the riots- Hindu as well as Muslim- is 1180, they lie that 2,000 Muslims were killed in the riots just like former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf did in the United Nations in September 2002. Teesta Setalvad increased this number to 2,500 Muslims (as if not a single Hindu was killed) in one of her articles titled “What ails Gujarat” published in CPI(M) party weekly Peoples Democracy in its issue of 16 July 2006. And Tehelka reported in 2007 after its sting operation that 2,500 Muslims were killed in the first 3 days! This would imply that many more were killed in the next days of riots!!!
This reporting also exposes the reality of self-styled secularists- Hindu suffering should be ignored and kept as minimum as possible, Islam’s guilt should be reduced as much as possible while Muslims’ suffering should be increased as much as possible.
A must read article is on the role of the Gujarat Government in controlling violence in the riots:
http://www.gujaratriots.com/29/role-of-the-government-in-controlling-violence/
Thanks for the amazing work in putting this together.
DEAR,SIR & MADAM
Respt.
i am ali from gujrat i missd my famlly.
i loss evrythig.in gujrat rites. but i need prp of that. so can you hellping me.
i wont sam prop of this.
plz.replly me son.
ali
The definition of secularism in India is exremely funny.Since the time of Gandhi n Nehru,the secularism just means pampering the minority communities(specially muslims).The congress govt is following the same attitude,the media,following their steps.
Recently,after the Jaipur blasts,The Times of India seemed to be extremely zealous about not to let spread hatred about muslims by giving some news containig muslim victims.Everytime,after any blats,media always says,”terrorism has no religion”.Same happened wuth the “best bakery”issue.
I really feel sorry for the Hindus in Hindustan.VHP,Shiv Sena are always termed as communal parties by media but the same,ignores the dalaying of hnging of Mohmd Afzal,the accused of Parliament attack.
dear,
i am agree that this is media myth that 2,000 people killed in gujrat riot .The muslim leader’s&congrees make it issue FOR political purpuse .so i wanna 2 say ,”the congrees is playing a bad role in india.
every body remembers that when godhra carnage occured their are few politicians who raise this issue in strong manner.because they know that it will be against muslims .
now indian youngsters already know abt the dangerous secularist politics by the so called secular parties.
The only exception is BJp which does not play this backward anti national politics,
Was anyone invite muslims for godhra???????
i dont remember.
I think this media governed by the leftist think tank is the biggest terrirost today for the society. You all should read the book of Arun Shourie – The Eminent Historians – which exposes this bloody leftist intellectuals fantastically. Unfortunately they have been succeeded in changing the history of our great civilization in our text books. When Dr.Murli Manohar Joshi tried to correct this history, those —— were shouting and crying as someone has —- their mother.
Swami Vivekanand once told, “Give me 100 dedicated young boys and I can change the future of India.”
I want to tell it another way, “Ignite fire in your soul for our beloved country and only 100 such dedicated Narendra Modi can change the future of our country.”
When the karsevaks were killed it is the instantaneous reaction of the hindus , it should not be siad the action of modi.
Tehelka report shown……modi allow for riot for kill the muslims…….
Modi is the dangerous fellow in india…..
The Tehelka report is no report-it has no value of evidence-and all the so-called ‘confessions’ are boastful lies which Tehelka has shown. Modi frantically called the Army to Ahmedabad on Feb 28-did not allow riots even for 3 minutes. The accused in Tehelka sting were just speaking boastful lies to the Tehelka reporter-thinking that he is a VHP member. This chapter on Tehelka written here clearly blasts the myths and lies spread by Tehelka-on the orders of the Congress-in all likelihood.
This entire site is a dangerous joke perpetrated by arses guys.
Modi is a killer and he should be hanged. Killing 1 person or 2000 person is the same, so dont play on numbers of how many got killed, but he has killed and he is a butcher, bhastared.
Madrassa educated Dadu, get ur facts right. Modi called the Army as soon as possible, just don’t go on repeating what the psuedo-secularist say to keep the muslim votebank happy.
And Hindu, when you can change ur name and try to cheat people, u too have to face the day of judgement.
Just remember FAITH is more important than having FAITH in ALLAH alone
i wish world end soon, hindo goes swarg, moslem goes jannat and christian goes heaven…….. i cant wish they or any goes to nark/dozakh/hell
Indian history do have many hero’s like SHIVAJI and PRITHVI RAJ similar to these hero’s modi is a kind of hero to me.Well India is a country full of hindu’s before muslims invaded us and destroyed temples and buid ther masjid over ther eg:TAJ MAHAL,we do want a temple in the birth place of lord RAM we requested them but they denied if they don’t aloow to biuld a temple in the birth place of ram where sholud the temple should be buid is that in MECCA or MADDINA? if we place a SOME NATIONAL FLAG and QURAN in either hands wht is the tink they choose its —-.they r like one track minded they dont wanna think out of there religion they dont wanna nation or any tink only there religion.
Hindu- why dont you attack those who gave these figures of 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus- the UPA government-with Marxists as outside supporters at that time- and ISI agents like Taslimuddin Shahabuddin in it? Instead of uttering a word on this site constructors-who have used authentic and primary sources of this same pseudo-secularist media- you should instead accuse the UPA and the national English dailies like The Times of India, The Hindu etc for their reports and more than 250 Hindus were also killed in the riots. The Times of India’a article dated 18 March 2002- titled “Riots hit all Classes, People of all Faith” fully nails these LIES.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_ID=4007683
India is for Hindus, anybody other than hindus are not welcomed here! Especially muslims, they should pack up and move out as soon as possible. India needs a Indian version of Hitler! Hope one is borned soon!
Jai Hind!
Great work folks in putting this infomation together.
Thanks,
Manoj
muslims are terrorists, they are pain in the ass of whole world from US to Bali islands in the east.
terrorism and islam are inseparable.A muslim has to be a terrorist or he shall be a kafir.
DADU,
WE NEED FEW MORE LIKE NARENDRA MODI IN ORDER TO KEEP TRAITORS IN CONTROL
i think the ‘research’ and ‘information’ on this site is extremely shallow…your arguments are weak, and obviously biased.
it makes me feel hopeless to see comments about how we need an indian hitler…whoever wrote that…do you know what kind of a tyrant hitler was? he was merciless…and millions of innocent lives were put to death…
if we can have money-hungry indians go live in america…why can’t we have non-indians live here?
there was a temple under taj mahal? how fickle-minded is our country? we get swayed by every tiny bit of information and don’t bother to check if it’s true…
there’s so much more to life than just fighting over where rama was born or why we have muslims living here…so what if there are muslims here? leave them alone, wipe out people like modi..and all will be quiet…provoking them is obviously not the right answer.
ok, so the only terrorists that are talked about on tv are the muslim ones…why associate islam with terrorism then? islam means peace by the way…if stupid america would stop torturing the islamic countries, then there wouldn’t so much of desperation would there?
and how the hell are they traitors, prakash?
this site is a waste of time and energy..hoe you guys find better things to do…
Why dnt u fuck off frm here ramdom human being Hindustan is for Hindus long live modi.We need few more leaders lyk modi to wipe off shit frm India :p
well i guess d comments based here r 2 weak n many people just think too communaly.Dont forget v live in india dat is d biggst democracy of d world where it is the duty of todays generation to not think communaly but think of ways so that people leave d past behind and more towards a better peaceloving future.It is not for us to think that BJP or congress were right. Deep down they are all fucking politicians just waiting to raise an issue so as to ignite the throngs just for pure political gains. our only option is to use our minds so as not to fall into the trap. it depends on us v can make or break our India.
what Narendra modi is doing is ritte.
I am a Nepalese and i Know what it feels when minority politics begins in one region. I still wont consider Prithviraj Chauhan a hero coz his lust cost our national and religious freedom; millions of hindus were killed, raped and temples razed to ground.
Well, revenge has no place in humanity. But what about interference in your day to day matters? All of us know that attacks have been done during hindu religious processions in Ahmedabad; and that resulted in riots.
We need Modi uncle to lead BJP in national stage as well. Sonia Gandhi has been doing all sorts of Non-hindu things(right from having Shankarachrya arrested; minority reservations on basis of religion; helping Maoists to oust the last Hindu Monarch and convert the ONLY hindu nation into a secular one
Please do not comment on the name of religion… Don’t you understand Blaming a religion will only worsen the situation… Whatever happened has happened but let us look ahead and build a proud nation… Though I am a Hindu, I do not believe in god… Whether it is Ramji or Allah, gods are the source of all these fightings. I appeal every one to stop believing in gods and believe in India… and remove this non-sensical UPA govt. that wants to sell India’s research future to US.
Great Job to open the eyes of the indian because the aim of pseudo seculars is to divert this issue to show anti muslim behaviour of modi and BJP , but the people of gujrat have answered by elected the modi once again.
BHARAT MATA KI JAI
JAI SHREE RAM
I am ashamed that despite being so less how cud Muslims
kill so many of us Hindus? The way Muslims have been behaving since ages, at least 10 times more of them
should have been affected but I am ashamed that it did not happen. The question is, can we produce another Sikh like community across North and South to make the final battle? Or, wait like mice for another Avatara of Vishnu?
Whether it was 2500 killed or 900, it does not matter. It is insignificant as the scale and the manner of the genocidal killings have shocked the conscience of humanity worldwide. Perhaps it has not shocked some of the commentators and Hindutva brigade-who are dumb to celebrate the murderous acts that will haunt them till dooms-day.
It is no myth that Muslims were attacked in a planned, systematic pogrom in Gujarat and in Orissa now. Instead of denying this FACT, it will be more productive, for the sake of harmony, to accept the wrong that has happend and seek to put matters right by showing remorse so that such devasation and destruction does not hapen in future.
I do not blame you for the attack of Muslims unless you were a party to it and similary Muslims are not reponsible for terorist attacks. The Hindutva lot take the law into their own hands and are getting a label as terrorists. It is these people who are shaming Indians all around the world and it is these people who are anti nationalists. Nationalism is about protecing the rights of people within territoral boundaries and the publc have a duty to behave in a law abiding way.
So, spend time on healing the wounds rather than on irrelevent stuff.
Might is not right and Muslims and other HUMANS, including Hindu’s and secularists will continue to fight for the right of Muslims to co-exist in a free, democratic and lawfull India.
Correction. The third para should read “I do not blame you for the attack on Muslims”
@ Munaf Zeena
Everybody knows who is being labelled as Terrorists worldwide. And it was the Systematic Planning and Execution of the Godhra Train Carnage that led to an outburst by the Hindus in Gujrat.
I am not for violence, but against the hypocrites like you, who take advantage of the media bias and cry hoarse.
Conman
With eyes one can read and see. So don’t talk about bias. Godhra incident was pre-planned by Hindutva to stir up hatred of Muslims.
Irresponsible leaders made the situation worse. If rationalism is lost then you will not have a ballanced perspective.
At least, we are both against violence and that is a start.
@ Munaf Zeena
Just have a look around the Muslim World, and you will yourself see the bias. The land you look forward to, 5 times a day, doesn’t allow other religions to exist. The same has been put in your head. And if you are a true nationalist, just go to Darul-ul-Uloom, Deoband and tell them to change the status of India from Darul-ul-Harb
Your comment:
“Godhra incident was pre-planned by Hindutva to stir up hatred of Muslims.”
speaks in the same volume as the illiterates make us believe
“9/11 was planned by the Jews.”
Modi was reponsible leader, that is why Army was conducting Flag marches on 1st March 2002, in Ahmedabad.
“At least, we are both against violence and that is a start”
I am against violence and injustive to Humanity, while your comments portray your bias for the “so-called secular” media and the “so-called secular” muslims.
If not counter the myths exposed by this website.
i please request all the hindus not to argue with dis mulim creatures coz they will never ever accept their false and keep on blaming us………
Conman
Muslims pray towards the direction of the Holy Qaba because of its religious signifcance and not because of any politcal one. What policies the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has is a matter for them, and them alone. Just as one would not welcome intrusion in the sovereign matters of the state of India then one should not interfere in the matters of another state. Similarly, the decision to grant visas or deny it is a matter which falls in the jurisdiction of the state.
I make an exception when human rights have been abused and then i do think that it right to express concern, as i have done in Bangladesh, Pakistan and India.
As to your objection to my conclusion that the Godhra incident was pre-planned, there is independent corroboration from various strong sources not least from the leaked British High Commission report which was reported in the BBC which claimed that the Godhra incident was preplanned, with the support of the state government, at least six months in advance. See the following link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1951471.stm
I fail to understand the point you are making about Darul Uloom Deoband. Darul Uloom Deoband has strong nationalist roots in India and many scholars of Islam lost their lives fighting to regain India from the colonial rule of the British empire. History can not wipe out the role of these scholars such as in the 1857 Indian Mutiny. Whether India is seen as Darul Harab or not is irrelevent as Islam makes it a responsibilty for its followers to respect the law of the land and to be loyal to the country in which they live.
We do not live in a perfect world as there are many imperfect human beings. It is not religions that are the problem but people who use religion for self interest.
As for the comment from Vinayak, I have not blamed Hindu’s. Perhaps if you read what i have written then would not come to the irrational conclusion. In fact, i do not wish to make any religious comment as i sincerely do not wish to offend the sentiments of any community.
Regards to all.
Your reaction is gauged from the first word itself.
A person who is discussing with you sensibly, you unashamedly call him a conman.
If you pray towards the Holy Qaba(or Kaaba) for its religious significance, is it not that it is written in the Holy Koran to kill all ‘idolators’, then how come you are missing out that religious significance.
If ‘What policies the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has is a matter for them, and them alone.’ then why is it that Hindus and other non-muslims are persecuted in all muslim majority countries, while you people cry hoarse in non-mulsim countries for Human Rights. Go and preach in the friday sermon to respect other religions and their practices and you surely will have a fatwa in your name
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?t=39917
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Persecution_of_non-Muslims_in_Muslim_countries
“As to your objection to my conclusion that the Godhra incident was pre-planned,”
These same myths this website is exposing. In the same report BBC mentions that 2000 muslims were killed, which is another myth exposed by this site.
“Darul Uloom Deoband has strong nationalist roots in India”
Well Darul Uloom is nationalist second and muslim first and not the other way around, that is why it took them till 2007 to issue a fatwa against terrorism, when the first bomb blasts in mumbai took place in 1993.
“Whether India is seen as Darul Harab or not is irrelevent as Islam makes it a responsibilty for its followers to respect the law of the land and to be loyal to the country in which they live.”
You are contradicting what is written in the quran, just check
http://www.bangladesh.com/forums/religion/11118-fao-prince_saqi-darul-harb.html
I liked what you said in
“We do not live in a perfect world as there are many imperfect human beings. It is not religions that are the problem but people who use religion for self interest.”
Well lets then together start the reforms by implementing Uniform law for all, let there be no reservations for anybody, no subsidies, not for Kailash Mansarovar nor for Haj, no Himdu or Muslim Personal laws.
Well even I don’t want to hurt any community, but as you said against people who use religion for justifying their deeds.
http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/murshidabad-muslims-behead-husband-for-being-of-different-religion/
Lastly if you do really preach what I asked you in the friday sermon, i would like to attend that sermon, so please let me know.
Comman
Thanks for the message and my apologies for calling you “conman”. This was not a deliberate move but caused by the weakness of my eyes causes by me not wearing my reading glasses and responding to you at about 4am.
In response to your points i would say that they are going haywire. This website is concerned with challenging the alleged myths but you want to attack Muslims for their alleged actions in other countries such as in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim coutries. I have already said to you that i have condemned on numerous occasions alleged human rights abuses in varios Muslim countries and they are available to view on the web. For example see:
http://www.milligazette.com/IndMusStat/2006a/951-CIM-Temple_pakistan-10oct06.htm
As for Deoband being nationalist second and Muslim first, i think this is not true. The answer one receives is dependent on the specific question that one raises. We have multiple identities and sometimes one identity is stronger than the other. Nevertheless, an Indian Muslim should never forget that the actions he takes as a Muslim in India is determined by the important consideration of the responsibilty that Islam places on being law abiding and loyal to the country in which he lives. The same identity crisis will be evident within Hindu’s. So this issue is a product of the figment of ones imagination caused by pro right hindutva media organisations.
No fatwa has ever been placed upon me so this is your imagination. What i say is in the public domain and spans the world not just the local mosque.
As for the point you have made about Darul Harab, I will get more information from a source from Deoband and i will let you know what the position is. However the web source you gave a link to is not a reliable one.
Reforms do not come about just like that. It will not if Hindutva attacks continue in the manner in which has taken place. Dialogue is essential to progress. Marginalisation of Muslims in Gujarat is a recipe from disaster. Confidence building measures need to take place but this can not happen with pre-determined agendas. However, if you are able to influence progress then issues such as the tackling the backward socio- economic position of Muslims will need to be tackled. Issues of politcal representaion at both state and central level would also need to be. As well as a fair representaion of Muslims in the police and civil service jobs.
The above is not appeasing the Muslims but giving political and civil rights that serve to build a strong nation. Failure to do so will mean that India will not prosper and the evil forces will be free to reign their terror.
What is stopping Muslims from getting an education or getting jobs ? Giving them special allowances just because of their status as minority is unfair to the rest of the population. Are the same facilities being given in Jammu and Kashmir to the Hindus who constitute the minority ? It is time that Muslims need to stop behaving as victims of a conspiracy against them.
The Gujarat Govt pre-planned the riots ? Oh no, don’t you know that it was Mossad all along who planned it all ? And ofcourse, pigs fly and the earth is a cube.
Cynic
What is stopping Muslims getting an education or jobs? Lack of finance and discrimnation. Where educational institutions have been set up to educate Muslim children, these have been far successful in recruiting and maintaining children so that they get a basic standard of education. These schools have 75% of children who are financially supported as their parents are living below the poverty line.
Why should i want to claim a conspiracy. Well why don’t you go and ask those Hindutva supporters in parts of Gujarat that do not let their shops to Muslims. There is an economic boycott of Muslims in some parts. Muslims can not buy houses in some parts because the supremacist Hindutva’s want to mantain purity. A Hitlerised version is being practised. If these people are not anti nationalists then who the hell are they? They are traitors in their own country and the law should be strong enough to deal with them.
Some of you appear to be living in a dream world. Dreams come to end then reality will strike. By that time you will be responsible for the carnage and destruction that would have taken place. In preparation for the your next Janam, should you not be concerned about what you might come back as?
Have you ever been to Kashmir? Have you spoken to the Pundits in Jammu? I have. Go and ask them what support they are getting.
Is it not written in the Koran to lie to non-muslims. So anyone can make out whether your excuse for writing that abusive word for me is justified.
http://www.al-islam.org/ENCYCLOPEDIA/chapter6b/1.html
My discussions are not going haywire, but coming to the point, which you are realising but not ready to accept.
You said
“No fatwa has ever been placed upon me so this is your imagination. What i say is in the public domain and spans the world not just the local mosque.”
——–What we are discussing spans the world and not just the MYTHS of GUJRAT.
Writing 1 article in 3 years shows your true honesty. Just give me 1 Muslim country, which doen’t treat its non-muslims as second grade citizens. I know that this cannot be justification for treating muslims or any other community unjustly, but Muslims in non-muslims countries are much better than non-muslims or other sects of muslims like shias, ahmediyas, sufis, bahai, etc.in muslim majority countries and the non-muslims countries are continously striving for betterment of all communities, including muslims. But can you give me more than 1 example of progress made for the non-muslims in muslims majority countries, and that also without persecuting them FIRST.
Deoband issued the fatwa, only after the OIC issued one, so you can see who’s line it toes. Just google search and you shall have the results in front of you.
And there is no right-wing media in India only BIASED MEDIA. That is why this site has come up, to counter the allegations made by the so-called pseudo-secularists like you.
The web source I gave you, is by muslims only, so if you are saying that, it is not a reliable one, then even you can be the same.
Any way get me the clarifcations from Deoband seminary.
You say
“Dialogue is essential to progress.”
What is the need of giving this sermon to me, when we have been secular for the last 1000 years and seen what the growth in muslim population has done to the sub-continent.
Better teach the same to the wahabbis who use Islam as a Political tool to rule the world.
“Confidence building measures need to take place but this can not happen with pre-determined agendas.”
From your website it can be gauged that you have a pre-determined agenda to malign Gujrat and Modi. You have to come out of the victim mentality. If other communities can progress, so can muslims.
Anybody who goes through the website, the link of which you have provided, will realise how the bias against Gujrat and Modi has been set in you. Come out of the Victim mentality and start preaching to your community-men in England, the need for muslims to start respecting other religions rather that trying to preach HATRED and CONSPIRACY theories in India.
You can never judge the ground realities in India. Even muslims women are working in night shifts in BPOs and making progress, which would never be possible for them in muslim countries.
There is no conspiracy in Gujrat or India against muslims that is why they have prospered to the highest level in so many fields in Gujrat and in India.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070034393&ch=11/30/2007%208:27:00%20AM
Here is the report on a formerly Buddhist nation, for more information search the web.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_maldive.htm
Muslims live in a DREAM WORLD and think they are the VICTIMS of some CONSPIRACY. They can’t progress, unitl they come out of that mentality.
The Parsis (evicted by Islamists), Sikhs (persecuted by Islamists), Buddhist (nearly wiped out by Islamists), Sindhis (driven from their homeland by Islamists) and even muslims who have come out of the mentality that they are the VICTIMS of some CONSPIRACY, have prospered in India,
“Have you ever been to Kashmir? Have you spoken to the Pundits in Jammu? I have. Go and ask them what support they are getting.”
So you specifically mention Pundits in Jammu, the same Pundits who were ethinically cleansed from Kashmir. Where were your morals when they were massacred in kashmir. They are still 2nd grade citizens when it comes to people from the kashmir valley in the muslim majority state.
http://kbarrett.cotse.net/idiot/index.php?title=india_sharia_may_replace_a_few_laws_in_k&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
It is no doubt that the gujarat riots proved to be a scar on india’s secular reputation.The spontaneous reaction by hindus in gujarat to the godhra carnage will come as no surprise to any hindu in this world.
While we talk about the miseries suffered by the muslims in gujarat , there are millions of people still suffering at the hands of sick and brainwashed muslims around the world.
A muslim always regards his religion to be the supreme even at the cost of his country’s pride and prestige , an rahim will call himself as muslimindian but anyother non muslim in india will call himself as indianhindu or indianchristain or indiansikh.The nation comes first above everything .
I still recall one major issue when singing vande mataram was strongly opposed by muslim community in india and fatwas were also issued to muslim people who sung vande mataram.Vande mataram is a patriotic song sung in the glorious praise of our mother india , inspiring people to fight , struggle for liberty and independence from enslavement .
How can anyone think that singing vande mataram will amount to an insult to islam ??
How dare these people can comment on vande mataram which is the ultimate prayer for every indian.
Now we have indian mujahideen who is fighting and killing his own brothers and sisters in the country ?
Who is this ” Indian mujahideen ” ?
India doesnt abet , sponsor and encourage terrorism in any means ..Who the hell are these people to use India in projecting them as Mujahideen ??
How can we think of retaliating against our own people ?
India is the land of multiple religions. India is the largest democratic secular country that let people of multiple faith live peacefully.Indian constitution has also made significant laws to protect the minorities from exploitation .
How can we become very choosy in using the country for our education , enjoy and exploit the minority status , heritage ,tradition and finally turning out against our own country ?
When there are millions of terrorists abetting our country , Is there any track record of a single Non muslim who is a terrorist , working against our own country ?
The literacy rate in muslim community is very abysmal.
Majority of the muslims dont have a good access to a proper education .Most of them are madrassas educated and some of the muslim clerics use the religion to brainwash , and turn the muslim people to work against the own country .
THe mumbai train blasts were planned to create maximum devastation to the people there in mumbai.All the blasts from bangalore to delhi very recently happened cannot be regarded to be an punishment for our sins .This is simply unabashed terror !!!
How long can we tolerate this injustice to humanity ?
If there is a god whom we all believe , ram/allah/christ , may he bestow upon us to clear us from this nasty situation .
Dear Arun Narayan,
Who are the people who destryoed babri masjid, Are they terrorist? Who are people who killed Muslims…the political leader, openly critsing muslims. Who are people who recently destryoed 12 churches.
I have never seen any hindu getting punishment during riots of mumbai, gujrat etc….
Even Britishers called Shaheed Bhagat Singh as terrorist. It is the perception of the people. For them he was terrorist by for us, he was a hero and will always be a hero, who raised a voice against the atrocities caused to the Indian people by the britishers.
HOW CAN U CLAIM THAT THIS LAND BELONS ONLY TO U, JUST BECOZ U R IN MAJORITY…U CAN DO ANYTHING WRONG TO US.
WHAT WOULD U DO IF SOME ONE RAPES UR SISTER OR MOTHER?
Comman Man,
From the very first paragraph of your response it can be gauged that you are prepared to believe nohing. An attempt to correct a genuine error seems to be unacceptabe to you. You seem to be set in your opinions and not willing to accept the apology at face value. You seem not to be able to distinguish between truth and false. When truth stares you in the face, you appear to make any excuse rather than to accept it.
I once again reiterate that the issue for discussion is Gujarat. So let me turn to this. This website seeks to challenge the number of deaths and persons missing. They have plucked a figure from a source as i have picked a figure from a source. If you want to find out the actual numbers then provide the names and town of each person killed and that of missing persons. In any case, it does not matter it it is 2000 or 900 as what happend should not have happend.
You say i have written one article in three years? Please explain why you are trying to belittle me? I thought i was in communication with a sensible person.
If the Muslim population has grown so what is the problem. You are shwing your true colours that Muslims are what you are against. We are not against Gujarat but the perpetrators of the horrific crimes against humanity. The land of Ghandi has become the land of blood because of the corrupted minds of the Hindutva.
As for Modi, his visa was revoked in the USA as a persona non grata and he was advisd not to come to the UK. His role in what happend in Gujarat is clear in the concerned citizens trbunal report.
Despite the above, i have suggested dialoge but it sees you are powerless in front of the authority. Perhaps someone who can influnce change maybe more willing to take the task up.
problem is that u people consider religion over country
since my childhood i am seeing that my every muslim friend supports pakistan ..they are the only one who see cricket match of pakistan in whole hostel.they abuse sachin but praise pakistani players …even they support dawood ibrahim ..they dont like film like border ..initially i didnt have hate for muslim but now i have coz the matter is who knows at the time war with pakistan they go and support pakistan..and last thing is that every country has its limited resources .and now a days hindu people have limted famliy ..but not the muslims..
hI Dhiraj,
Just looking at handful of people how can you judge whole of community. I have my cousins who pray extra and recite dua whenever there is a match of India.
Which people support India in Australia and UK. Do all of them visit to that country for that match?
No many of them are residents there. Many of them are citizens of that land but still they support India. So what should Australia and UK people do to them.
People are forced to support outsiders when they are made to feel that you are not from this country. They are ill-treated at the hands of law and people of the country.
Why Hindus support Chota Rajan and Gawli? Are they not against India. Is there name highlighted any time.
KRs
Aquil
Comman Man
Regarding your request for Darul Ullom Deoband to change the status of India from a Darul Harab, please note the response.
India is not regarded by Darul Uloom Deoband as a Darul Harab. The status was applicable only during the British colonial rule. So if it is not a Darul Harab then you may ask what is it? The status of India is Darul Aman which could be taken to mean welfare right which allows the practice of the Islamic faith freely by its Muslim citizens (source: Hadhrat Molana Shaihin Jamali-shaikh Ul Hadith:Meerat, India). In essence, it is a peace covenant or in western politcal thought, a social contract.
Any other information that you have regarding the matter is not to be relied upon.
Arun Narayan
If you seek to justify the Godhra genocide as a reaction then the Mumbai blasts can be seen as a reaction to the demolition of the Babri Mosque. Secondly, why was the your so called “Hindu” reaction so profound in Gujarat and not in the other states of India. This is because Modi, it is alleged, gave orders for the police not to save Muslims for three days.
Regarding Vande Mataram issue, you see India as black and white. You, and others like you do not want to recognise that India is diverse, pluralist nation. Muslims worship Allah alone, Only he is worthy of worship.We do not “bow” to anyone or anything. This is our belief. Therefore we cannot worship the land however one may love his country.
What Hindutva is aiming to do is create division and exclusivity so that other faiths are ethnically cleansed from India. The method is to stir up unrest by adding little words here and there, knowing full well that Muslims will not be able to accept. If you want to sing the Vande Mataram then go ahead but don’t force it upon others and be sensitive to other faiths.
Arun
You say “When there are millions of terrorists abetting our country , Is there any track record of a single Non muslim who is a terrorist , working against our own country ?”
Wht dont you start with Narendra Modi for a start.
Who killed Mohandas K Gandhi. Was it a Muslim? No, it was someone with links with the Hindu Mahasabha.
Who killed Rajiv Gandhi? Was it a Muslim? No.
Who Killed India Gandhi? Was it a Muslim? No.
What about Air India bombs that exploded in the 1980’s. Was the Muslims responsible? No.
What about the Nagaland? Has the Indian government not proscribed groups as terrorists?
What do you think the Bajrang Dal was doing in Kanpur in a bomb making factory? Making sweets!
again you all muslims started pointing towards hindus, that how hindus are troubles to mulims, how hindus harras mulims in all manners……..so listen you people first behave like humans so you will be behaved like human, see what you people are doing in the world in the name of islam,you peoples try to destroy other religions,for spreading islam in the whole world, you want one and only islam and no other religion to survive in the world, so you people act barbaric, and when you get the worst reaction from another religion you suddenly start blamimg them.. please stop this live and let live others,at the day islamic peoples will start respecting other religion, the other religions will start respecting islam……………..
Dear Munaf,
Just see the response and the LANGUAGE, Aquil has writeen to Arun Narayanan.
He is trying to justify the acts of terror by going back 17 years to Babri, Mumbai riots. If we take that into account, the hindus should also be acting against the muslims for the bloodshed they have done from Afghanistan (the land of Gandhari in Mahabarata) to
Bangladesh) that land of Bakim Chandra Chatterjee in the last 1000 years. MUSLIMS HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE VICTIM MENTALITY.
And no Hindu believes in, or supports Gawli, Chota Rajan or Pujari, except people looking for political gains. And any way these people don’t have Guns in one hand and Bhagvad Gita in another.
Hindus are always for change, they adjusted when the Ghauris came, when Khiljis came, when Lodis came, when Mughals came, when British came, and are still changing as pseudo-secularist like you keep on making the same (we are the victims) point again and again.
I believe in Taqiyya, tell me you don’t?
You do something to improve the VICTIM MENTALITY of the muslims and I shall start believing you.
I am reiterating again, if all communities can make progress in India, why can’t the muslims, after all they have been with us for the last 1000 years. Please come out of the victim mentality.
The website has plucked information from your so-called ‘secular’ UPA government
and nobody else. If you not ready to accept sources like these, I am not surprised. In the previous discussion you didn’t accept a source run by muslims themsleves about “Daul-ul-Harb’
Even I believe, what happened should not have happened, but what was the cause of
it. (Now don’t go on harping like the others do that 9/11 was a conspiracy by the Jews) similarly the cause of Godhra was a conspiracy by the Hindus.
I am nobody to belittle anybody. If you don’t think I am a sensible person, you are entitled to your point of view, same way, as you had mentioned that abusive word for me in the previous posting.
I not against the growth of muslim population, but against the cruelties imposed by them on the non-muslims. If you want a fair proof, just follow the links I have provided in all the responses, I have posted, and you will come to know wether you people are victims or perpetrators.
Isn’t it better for you to work to enlighten the muslims about respecting the practices of other religions, rather than preaching us about minorities in India and England.
I am not against Islam, but the excuse of muslims, to justify each of their things, by quoting the Koran.
I take your argument, that you are not against Gujrat, but still you are fixed in the victim mentality and that there is a conspiracy against muslims.Hindutva minds can only be corrupted by minority appeasement.
Modi’s visa was revoked because of pseudo-secularist like you, Arundathi Roy (whose
myth has been busted by this site), etc. That’s why I provided a link to you to show that he has worked for the upliftment of muslims too.
Even I am reiterating that dialogue is the only way out, but before that you people have to INTROSPECT.
If India is really Darul-ul-Aman, why are you not working against people who want to convert it to Darul-ul-Islam, why against only against Hindutva. HINDUTVA BRIGADE DOES NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE A HINDU NATION, BUT A NATION WHERE THERE IS NO MINORITY APPEASEMENT. I have provided you the information what happpens to minorities under muslim law.
FOR WHICH 3 DAYS MODI GAVE THE ORDER NOT TO SAVE THE MUSLIMS?
FROM 28TH FEB 2002 TO 1ST MARCH 2002. Grab the truth or is it that is caused by
the weakness of your eyes and you not wearing your reading glasses and reading the net at about 4am (mentioned by you only).
The hindus have risen after 1000 years of slumber, even the West is wary of muslims
now, and they have second thoughts on them. So for the betterment of the whole
community, PLEASE COME OUT OF THE VICTIM MENTALITY. Even your forefathers were Hindus, so how can we be against you or any muslim.
Start worshiping the Motherland. See Godliness in everything, even Humans, like we do. We are not compelling you to do it, but then don’t blame the motherland or the Hindus who believe there is God in everything for all the problems you face in life.
If Hindutva was out to create division and exclusivity so that other faiths are ethnically cleansed from India then we would not have welcomed and co-existed with Parsis, Sikhs, Sindhis, Buddhist, and even Muslims to India.
Just give me proof of 1 muslim country which is not crying for exclusivity for muslims and ready to welcome other faiths.
In your reply to Arun,
you have again shown your mentality of the bias that has set in against Modi.
PLEASE SEE- Myth 8: The Gujarat government was involved in the riots
The People who killed Mohandas K Gandhi or Rajiv Gandhi or India Gandhi were not quoting verses from the Bhagvad Gita to justify their killings. Muslims were involved in the Air India bombs that exploded in the 1980’s. The Pakistani -Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) was invovled, and I far as we all know there aren’t any Hindus in ISI. The whole Sikh militancy was supported by the ISI, but we were able to root it out, because the Sikh had some Strong Nationlist Leaders, who never preached the Victim Mentality.
Lets agree on 1 point. If any terrorist is found from any community then he should be disowned by the whole community and not supported by anybody from the community.
hi aquil…as u told like some handful of muslim do the things same like that very few hindus are supporting rajan and they dont have any thing to do with religion…and about match thing if the person is citizen of that country and he doesn’t support his own country …he is antinational for sure whether he support india or pakistan …i really dont these people…ihope that u r not supporting those handful muslim by your quotes.. u seems to be a well educated person….i want to ask one more thing …pls do reply …i want to clear first that i dont support any hardliner group whether it is hindu or muslim ..my roommate is muslim ..we have no problem …but he supports the blast..he tells that it is mentioned in holy book .. is it right ..and let me make u clear i dont support any kind of riots …so dont be biased …pls reply ..i am waiting
Comman Man
You want me to do something to improve the victim mentality of Muslims. Let me refer you back to the point i made earlier regarding civil and political rights. Where is the fair representation of Muslims in the politial stream gone in India? What is that you want Muslims to do? Shall oppressed Muslims pretend that all is well when clearly it is not. How come the Dalit and scheduled castes deservedly get reservation? This is because the few high caste hindus have trampled on the Dalit rights for centuries by not even allowing them to come and pray in high caste hindu temples.
Do you know that there are many Muslims that are in Jail for years and they have not been tried for any crime. They are in Jail because they are Muslim. Please visit Sabarmati Jail and make enquiry who is there, for what and for how long.
Feel the pain that Muslims feel.Yet we are having dialogue with you. The reason is becuase there are many good Indians of all faiths and we, the Indians, are unlike other communities that seek justice from the bullet of a gun or worse.
You want Muslims to make progress.Then go and stop the boycott of Muslim businesses. Stop the apartheid of Muslims in Gujarat.
You people seem to think that Muslims don’t have a brain. A couple of you have referred to Israel.Who needs Isreal when you have the biggest Hindutva terreorrosts in Gujarat. That is the reality comman man. The reality is that the experiment of Gujarat of 2002 is the biggest danger facing the world today. What Hitler unashamedly done to the Jews will be nothing compared to What Hidutva will do to the Muslims.
I am providing advance warning to you and all of your lot that Hindutva must be stopped. Don’t say i did not warn you because you have been warned.
I have nothing further to add and i leave you with my best wishes and I hope that the good amongst all of us come together to make the evil impossible.
hi Dhiraj,
In Quran it is mentioned that if you kill one innocent, that means you have killed the whole of humanity.
But at the same time a Muslim is responsible to save his religion and holy book Quran and hence to save it some times he has to take the help of debates or sometimes swords depending upon the situation the other party has created.
In Quran it is mentioned that you should invite people to know about your religion and be an ambassador of Islam. People should be attracted to you by your behaviour, trustworthiness and honesty.
We dont and are not supposed to force people or bribe people with money or other facilities to accept Islam.
Islam means submission to the Will of Allah, and unless and until one accepts the teachings of Islam by heart,he or she is muslim for the name sake only.
I feel this generation of ours should work hard to reduce the differences between hindus and Muslims and for that sake amount all religions, castes. If you want to put your point of Hiduvta or Islam, that should be limited to the healthy debate only.
If we dont tell out childrens that Muslims are bad, hindus are doing these things wrongs. So and so is scheduled cast,dalit or etc, our children when grow then they will also not differentiate between different people.
But for this we need to discourage the so called Masiah of Hinduvta, who are asking vote in the name of hinduta. If these party come to power that shows the mentality of the local people also.
Dear Comman,
You have mentioned about my language. Please first see ur language and some of ur collegues language. I think I have put up my point.
Yes Babri Masjid is 17 yrs old topic and we all as responsible citizens of India should leave it for the court to decide. We have already lost so much during rights and bomb blast during 92-93 and this should not be dragged any more.
But, dear friend, when some so called Hinduvta party shouts slogan,takes Rath yatra,conducts poja on the disputed land near babri masjid, then what should one do.You tell if this happens to you how would you react. I think by the demolition of the babri masjid a deep wound was made in the heart of every muslim and with the passage of time the wound is healing, but every year the so called mesiah of hinduvta are conduction pooja and shouting slogans, mandir wahin banayenge and thus it opens again the old wound.
If we give away the babri masjid to our hindu brothers, but then there is new issue about Mathura,Taj Mahal….
You are talking about the time when Muslims or Britishers rule the country. That was not democracy and Kings and the Britisher did what ever they wanted to do and hence we cannot compare those time and todays time. Today we are leaving in democratic country, which gives us the right to practise the religion of our choice, and at the same time the law and order, helps us to save the places of our worship.
Dear Comman,Dhiraj
Kindly check the article below. It is not posted on any muslim website, the way you all opened a website and propagating your views..
Gujarat’s Muslim heritage smashed in riots…
Luke Harding in New Delhi
The Guardian, Saturday June 29 2002 Article history
Two hundred and thirty unique Islamic monuments, including an exquisite 400-year-old mosque, were destroyed or vandalised during the recent anti-Muslim riots in the Indian state of Gujarat, according to a local survey.
Experts say the damage is so extensive that it rivals the better publicised destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan or the wrecking of Tibet’s monasteries by the Red Guards.
Several monuments have been reduced to rubble in the course of the riot, in which 2,000 people, mainly Muslims, have died. In other disturbances, Hindu gangs have smashed delicate mosque screens, thrown bricks at Persian inscriptions, and set fire to old Korans.
“This has been a systematic attempt to wipe out an entire culture,” said Teesta Setalvad of Sapara, a body opposed to communal strife, who compiled the list. One of the monuments razed was the tomb of Vali Gujarati, the grandfather of Urdu poetry and inspiration of many later poets and singers, who died in Ahmedabad, the state’s main city, in 1707.
In recent years the tomb lay in the middle of a busy main road. On the night of March 1 Hindu gangs with pickaxes smashed it and replaced it with a small brick temple dedicated to the Hindu monkey-god Hanuman.
Two days later the state authorities flattened the spot completely. “I drove over him recently when I went to the airport,” Ms Setalvad said yesterday. “The government people used machinery to tar over him in a few hours.”
Last weekend the Hindu nationalist state government, which is accused of complicity in the pogroms, stopped a group of intellectuals rebuilding the poet’s grave. They lacked permission, police officers said.
Several of Vali’s fans have pointed out his own verse almost anticipates his ending:
The city of whose songs I
have always sung
Why can I not bear to live in
that city now?
The destruction of his tomb has prompted much soul-searching by secular intellectuals, who have been pondering whether Hindu-Muslim relations can ever recover from the worst religious riots in India for 10 years.
They point out that the attacks follow a pattern established in 1992 when Hindu zealots demolished the 16th-century mosque in Ayodhya.
Right-wing Hindu scholars have argued that India’s Mughal kings knocked down several Hindu temples to build their own imperial mosques and that Hindu gangs who tear down Muslim shrines are merely “redeeming the past”.
“By destroying the symbols of a community you destroy the community itself,” said Professor Imtiaz Ahmed, of the Jarwaharlal Nehru University in Delhi. The tragedy, secular historians say, is that Hindus and Muslims in Gujarat have a long tradition of tolerance.
Arab traders first arrived on the west coast of India in the late 7th century and by the early 10th century there were 10,000 Muslims in Gujarati ports.
And like many of India’s Muslim rulers, Ahmedabad’s 15th-century sultan and founder, Ahmad Shah I, married a rajput (Hindu) princess. His mosques and civic buildings incorporated Islamic and rajput elements and he employed Hindus in the highest offices of state.
Gujarati Muslims are, therefore, among India’s longest-established sects, and most of them are descended from converts, not “foreign invaders”.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jun/29/india.arts
Gujarat’s Muslim heritage smashed in riots
Luke Harding in New Delhi The Guardian, Saturday June 29 2002 Article historyTwo hundred and thirty unique Islamic monuments, including an exquisite 400-year-old mosque, were destroyed or vandalised during the recent anti-Muslim riots in the Indian state of Gujarat, according to a local survey.
Experts say the damage is so extensive that it rivals the better publicised destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan or the wrecking of Tibet’s monasteries by the Red Guards.
Several monuments have been reduced to rubble in the course of the riot, in which 2,000 people, mainly Muslims, have died. In other disturbances, Hindu gangs have smashed delicate mosque screens, thrown bricks at Persian inscriptions, and set fire to old Korans.
“This has been a systematic attempt to wipe out an entire culture,” said Teesta Setalvad of Sapara, a body opposed to communal strife, who compiled the list. One of the monuments razed was the tomb of Vali Gujarati, the grandfather of Urdu poetry and inspiration of many later poets and singers, who died in Ahmedabad, the state’s main city, in 1707.
In recent years the tomb lay in the middle of a busy main road. On the night of March 1 Hindu gangs with pickaxes smashed it and replaced it with a small brick temple dedicated to the Hindu monkey-god Hanuman.
Two days later the state authorities flattened the spot completely. “I drove over him recently when I went to the airport,” Ms Setalvad said yesterday. “The government people used machinery to tar over him in a few hours.”
Last weekend the Hindu nationalist state government, which is accused of complicity in the pogroms, stopped a group of intellectuals rebuilding the poet’s grave. They lacked permission, police officers said.
Several of Vali’s fans have pointed out his own verse almost anticipates his ending:
The city of whose songs I
have always sung
Why can I not bear to live in
that city now?
The destruction of his tomb has prompted much soul-searching by secular intellectuals, who have been pondering whether Hindu-Muslim relations can ever recover from the worst religious riots in India for 10 years.
They point out that the attacks follow a pattern established in 1992 when Hindu zealots demolished the 16th-century mosque in Ayodhya.
Right-wing Hindu scholars have argued that India’s Mughal kings knocked down several Hindu temples to build their own imperial mosques and that Hindu gangs who tear down Muslim shrines are merely “redeeming the past”.
“By destroying the symbols of a community you destroy the community itself,” said Professor Imtiaz Ahmed, of the Jarwaharlal Nehru University in Delhi. The tragedy, secular historians say, is that Hindus and Muslims in Gujarat have a long tradition of tolerance.
Arab traders first arrived on the west coast of India in the late 7th century and by the early 10th century there were 10,000 Muslims in Gujarati ports.
And like many of India’s Muslim rulers, Ahmedabad’s 15th-century sultan and founder, Ahmad Shah I, married a rajput (Hindu) princess. His mosques and civic buildings incorporated Islamic and rajput elements and he employed Hindus in the highest offices of state.
Gujarati Muslims are, therefore, among India’s longest-established sects, and most of them are descended from converts, not “foreign invaders”.
Several 16th-century buildings have been pulverised. They include two 400-year-old mosques, one of them apparently bulldozed in the presence of two ministers in the state government.
Dhiraj
For Muslims, “Country” is in this world only whereas religion is both in this world and in the hereafter. That does not mean to say that our social resposibilities of living in a “country” is to be ignored. Islam lays out clear responsibilities on its followers but one should not blame the whole communty for the actions of the few.
Islam does not say that if you are an Indian that you have to support Pakistan. However, you must be aware of the ground reality. When Muslims are told time and time again to go to Pakistan and when they are are not taken as being part of the Indian community then some young people rebel out of frustration. If you want to see a positive outcome then don’t make Muslims feel like outsiders. They are more Indian than you are. Lets not forget he Aryan race is said to have its origins in Germany.
Lack of proper education and insesitivity t others feelings is a major contributory factor.
Dear Munaf & Dear Aquil,
There is very little represtation of muslims in politcal circles, because you think CONGRESS, SAMAJWADI PARTY, RASTRIYA JANATA DAL, etc are secular, whereas the truth lies elsewhere.
If Muslims are in jail, then Hindus have suffered too, due to the same reasons
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7275351.stm
If we wouldn’t have felt the pain, then we would have taken up oath & swords to wipe out muslims for the massacred they have done from Afghanistan (the land of Gandhari in Mahabarata) to Bangladesh) that land of Bakim Chandra Chatterjee in the last 1000 years. Hindus are for dialogue and HINDUTVA BRIGADE DOES NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE A HINDU NATION, BUT A NATION WHERE THERE IS NO MINORITY APPEASEMENT.
I told you this website has come up only to BUST the MYTHS created by the pseudo-secular media. Check the credentials of Teesta (check- POLITICAL VIEWS AND AFFILIATIONS), who is a biased journalist, I can supply you the names of dozen more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teesta_Setalvad
And the report you have mentioned by Luke Harding, mentions that 2000 people were
killed, which is another myth, this website has busted. I know Gujrat riots should not have occurred, but why are you people not ready to introspect and just keep on accusing MODI, whereas you people need to stand up against parties like Congress governemt, which has kept you people down for the last 60 years, people like Laloo, Mulayam (who are pseudo-seculars), who are supporting organisations like SIMI and harming muslims intersts more, than MODI who is for inclusive growth. Just see
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070034393&ch=11/30/2007%208:27:00%20AM
If you really believe in the law of the land, preach to all, to believe in it and not people saying there is SOME CONSPIRACY AGAINST MUSLIMS.
Why is it that only muslims cry of discrimination and not other communities. Because they are not ready to assimilate. As I said the Deobandis issued a fatwa against terrorism, only after the OIC issued one, and you want me to believe they are nationalist first. First remove the anti-national elements from your community and then we hindus shall be there to protect you from anybody calling you Pakistani. First INTROSPECT & REMOVE THE VICTIM MENTALITY.
You have said about education. At the start of the last century, majority of both Hindus and Muslims were not knowing English, or didn’t go to convent schools, but we were ready for change, we were ready to educate our sisiters and daughters. That is why we are seeing such a wide disparity today. Our women are working women, and they contribute to our economic growth.
Till you don’t introspect and remove the victim mentality, the community as a whole will never make progress. And sensitivity is to respect the practices of other religions and not oppose them.
Once again go through all the COMMENTS that have been posted and YOU will see the NEED TO INTROSPECT.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/aug/19guest1.htm
Munaf Zeena
“Regarding Vande Mataram issue, you see India as black and white. You, and others like you do not want to recognise that India is diverse, pluralist nation. Muslims worship Allah alone,”
This is what you quoted, then why is it that in Saudi and all you Islamist Countries, that we do not see your own people allowing us to follow our own religion. Why is it that in Islamistic countries, that we are stopped from exercising our own religion. Show me a single temple in your most favored place “The Hub of Islamic Terrorists”
Why do you expect us to follow your shit rituals in your Islamic hubs, I have seen in Saudi Arabia, “the hub of Islamic Terrorism” that a non-muslim is not allowed to have even a glass of water during your Ramadan period. Its your Ramadan, not our, but why do you try to thrust your beliefs on us.
Why don’t you guys do it, when we fast. When we fast, you should not be drinking or eating any shit. Why don’t you guys keep away from the whole food fiasco in Hindustan, like they make us non-muslims do it in your Islamic Hubs.
If you want to live in India, live like an Indian. Be an Indian First, not a Fidayeen. Learn to be a person, before being a fundamentalist.
There is a lot to tell you, but I know a person like you, so filled till the brim with the scum of the “Big I” cannot take it.
I know that you are going to reply to this, but before doing it, make sure that you put on those shit reading glasses of your’s and then reply. Also make sure that you do not cut down your Ramadan time of gorging down food from the late evening till the wee hours of morning, in order to reply to this. You can reply it once you fill your tummy till the brim that you do not have even an inch left inside.
Aquil
“If we give away the babri masjid to our hindu brothers, but then there is new issue about Mathura,Taj Mahal….”
Oh! you seem to be living in a world of dreams as shown to you by your mulla’s at the Madarsa’s that you people are fit to study in. You are only taught what is wrong and never ever, what is right.
Who do you think you are, when you use the term “If we give away the babri….”
Don’t you know or haven’t your goat bearded mulla’s tell you that Babri Masjid was never ever there earlier. It was, is and will always be RAM JANAMBHOOMI.
You loitered, stole and did every thing unthinkable of in India.
Who gave you that damn right to destroy our temples and construct your Masjid’s and Madarsa’s, so that you can train and produce more terrorists?
RAM JANAMBHOOMI was, is and will always be RAM JANAMBHOOMI.
And you yourself, went ahead and added Mathura and Taj Mahal to the list. This does prove that you know the fact and do accept to the fact that Mathura and Taj Mahal are of real significance to Hinduism. You accept yourself that Taj Mahal is not what is portrayed in your books to be, it is “TEJ-O-MAHALAYA”, got time Google it. You guys know very well how to google, ‘cos you always google for terms like “How To Make A Bomb?”, “How to be a Jihadi?” and what not shit….
Come on search for it, if you are unable to do it, then let me know… I will pass on the link.
Get on with your stuff Aquil, search on google and you will see the list of temples/places of worship of Hindus that your people have destructed till now.
You’ve plundered us for centuries, but we never said no, ‘cos we know that the real wealth of Hindustan was not the materialistic things, what you plunder for, then real wealth of Hindustan is Hinduism and none of you Islamic terrorists can steal it from us.
||Jai Shri Ram||
Hinduism — The only dharm with the righteous path
hi Aquil
same thing is there in hinduism…
and yar pls stop calling hindutva the culprit …these people have nothing to with hindutva…its like due to some people islamist are called terrorists…both are wrong…
and u r right we should stop encouraging these hardliner
of both religion..
and u r also right that these are very old things ..we have to forget these thing …and i know these hardliners will come in way of peace ..but they just want kursi ….if we start telling and fighting the damages we have given to each other …the list will be long and fight will never be over and these people will take advantage….and yar i want to stay in touch with u if u dont mind may i know ur yahoo msngr id if u dont mind..
and ya one more thing in my family muslims and dalits are not told bad …not at all..believe me
dear munaf
yar no hard feelings for u ..i just want to ask that do u {personaly} consider india just a living place or
motherland and love it …coz i consider motherland and love it ..and i dont think islam does not allow to do that coz turky and pakistani muslim also consider their country there motherland and they do love it
and yar pls just give ur opinon ..pls dont give other thing as i mentioned above these will not help us ..and ya pls dont take this ques like i am telling u antinational .. i will never mean that…
Jai Shee Ram
Don’t tell me about other country’s and if you want to complain about the treatment that you get their then go and find a website that is more relevent.
I am a fundamentalist and i am not ashamed of that. It is becuase you have lost the fundamentals of hinduism that you and your hindutva lot behave in the way you do.
listen muslim you are in our country for more then 1500 years, you tried your level beat in all manners to covert india into a islamic country but you failed, coz hinduism n hindu believes are much stronger than islam………and once again i request all the hindus not to argue wid the muslims coz they are never going to chane, they will not accept mistakes and only keep on pointing our mistake…jai hind…………
Oh! Munaf again forgot to put on her glasses. Come on Munaf, before you start writing, atleast put on the glasses and type it right.
Hindus are like that only. How many Hindu institutions cried for the Kashmiri Pandits when they were massacred by Islamists. There should be no shame for Gujrat, because there was no genocide as you psuedos claim. Not only were muslims killed, but hindus were killed too in Gujrat in 2002. Just check the figures given by your so-called ‘secular’ UPA government. And that is why i say just go through all the comments that have been posted, and this website once again to know the TRUTH.
You are going on Harping about the greatness of Deoband, everybody knows whose line it toes, (I have mentioned earlier that it issued the fatwa against terrorism only after the OIC did one). Was it not a great institution from 1993 the year of the first bomb blast in mumbai to 2007 when it issued the fatwa?
I never support any political party. I have never voted in my life, not ever will, till there is a sea-change in politics. I know these politicians are of nobody.
But you be sure to tell your community-men to vote for the Left (which is another pseudo-secular party), Laloo, Mulayam, Congress (which kept you down for the last 60 years and the results showed up in the Sachar community report).
HINDUTVA BRIGADE DOES NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE A HINDU NATION, BUT A NATION WHERE THERE IS NO MINORITY APPEASEMENT.
Yes, the sword, gas bottles and petrol was used in GUJRAT in the GODHRA CARNAGE. Its good that you are ready for change and accepting atleast 1 point.
If you are not a pseudo-secularist, why are you shouting from England about what happens in INDIA, and not preventing KAFEELS, SABEELS, DHIREN BAROTS, ETC, to carry out their evil designs in the land you live.
Even a celebrated writer like Arundhati Roy, is a pseudo can gauged by the truth this website has written. If you want the facts, 279 people were killed by Islamists all over the world and 34 persons were killed in India by Islamists, from the time you wrote your 1st report. Incidently majority of the killed were muslims and in muslims majority countries. Here are the Hard Facts. So INTROSPECT.
Still vouch for the Left (which is another pseudo-secular party), Laloo, Mulayam, Congress (which kept you down for the last 60 years and the results showed up in the Sachar community report). And expect power from them
I mention your VICTIM MENTALITYY, it is because you are not seeing the good things we have given you for the last 1000 years, but want to cry foul when somebody gives you a dose of your own medicine. Why shouldn’t I say about other countries.(If we go by the same yardstick, you shouldn’t be saying anything about INDIA from ENGLAND). You only said what you say spans the world and is not limited to a local mosque. I know the ground realities in India, what is going on, and I not harping like you are and trying to divert the issue.
If you want to go back to Gujrat, Babri, I can go back to Somanth, Mathura, Kandhar, Kashmir, Bangladesh etc, but that won’t solve the problem, but lets agree on 1 point. If any terrorist is found from any community then he should be disowned by the whole community and not supported by anybody from the community. Modi is for inclusive growth, I have already provided you the links
http://www.bengalgenocide.com/
FUNDAMENTALS of HINDUISM,
Believe there is Godliness in everything, We have not lost the fundamentals of hinduism (which means live and let live), and will never will afterall even your forefathers were Hindus once, I won’t rest untill I have stirred your CONSCIENCE, even if you have lost it.
http://www.turandursun.com/plugins/p2003_news/printarticle.php?p2003_articleid=7
Hindus first INTROSPECT before even letting out a word. Just go through the discussion we have hard. I have provided you with HARD FACTS and REFERENCES all along, but still you are harping about the CONSPIRACY and all those nonsense things which do not exist in India (maybe England OK, because I don’t live there)..
Just go through all the links I have provided in all my posts and you will get a clearer picture, and don’t forget to go through this website too (after putting your reading glasses and not at 4 am).
Munaf
Do you really think so, isin’t it a well known fact that you are the ones who on the name of Jihad are trying to create havoc. Aren’t you guys the ones, who try to spread wide-spread chaos in the society.
How many times have you accepted that your people were never behind this. You would say all the times, because you support them in whatever they do. Even if it is wrong.
What is this whole fiasco all about? What are you guys trying to prove, that you can make HINDUSTAN a islamic country…. remember Munaf and etc etc etc, remember, this is HINDUSTAN and it has HINDU clearly written in it. If you do not love HINDUSTAN, then leave this country for ever. We do not need people like you to be a part of our country at all.
I would like to cite “Maldives” as an example, was it a true Islamic Country from the scratch… nope, read the history once… Maldives was invaded, plundered and converted into Islam. So is the case with Indonesia.
Your people tried to convert as many countries as they could into Islamic Country by Force and brutality. Your people always followed the barbarous way of life, inflicting wounds on the people, who did not want to convert into a religion, which has no significance for us. Your people did the heinous crime of converting people by force.
However, they failed to repeat the same in HINDUSTAN, that is something that hurts you and your people the most. You want to make HINDUSTAN an Islamic State and make it to follow your Sharia Rules. This is just a dream and I urge you all to wake up and come out of your dreams atleast now, before its too late and you do not have to regret it later.
Why do you think, you still get to see Hindu Idols and Scriptures realted to Hinduism still in Indonesia/Cambodia/Vietnam/Thailand and etc… because they were hindu countries earlier.
Moreover, Munaf, cutitng this whole thing short, why is your arse on fire now, especially after the Gujrat Massacre, where in your people killed Hindu’s the most. You have been killing hindus since a long time and I hope, an able googler like you would have no problem googling and citing the total number of hindu’s your people have killed till now.
Once you have the number, ask any hindu/Christian/Sikh pre-school kid (I am not asking you to ask any muslim pre-school kid, ‘cos you people do not believe in education, you believe in Madarsa’ed education. So, keep your islamic kids aside, they do not deserve to be asked)
Ask any hindu/Christian/Sikh pre-school kid which number is greater, the number of Hindu’s killed till date or your few hundreds of terrorists of Islam. Your brutality lies in the number of non-muslims you’ve killed till now.
But still, you people have that face to come up to us that we did something wrong.
This quote for all your islamic terrorists, who are scrutinizing the posts/replies here, including all who have already replied.
“Jab Khudki Gaanf Par Aag Lagi to,
Usse Bhujaane Ke Liye Paani Yaad Aayaaa Tumlogon Ko,
Jab Dusron Ki Jala Rahe The, Tab Kahan Marwa Rahe The”
One More:
Jab Tumhaari Thodi Si Kya Leli Hindustan mein,
Tumhaare aankh mein se aansoo nika pade.
Tab kya hua tha in zaalim Aansuon ko,
Jab Tumhaare vaishi darinde Hinduon ko kaat rahe the.
Humne bhi dekhe hai bade bade log,
jo kehte kuch aur karte kuch hai.
ab aagya hai Samay batane ka,
Ke hum kya kar sakte hai.
Tum ko bata denge, ke hum kya hai,
Tum to vaishi darinde ho, jo hum nahi ban sakte.
Hum ne tumhe sahara diya aur apne saath tumhe bhi oopar uthaya
Par tumne to apne is vishwaas ke peeth par chaku bhok daala.
Yehi to hai, tumhaare musalmaanon ki fitrat.
Ab nahi sahenge tumhaari vaishiyat.
||JAI SHRI RAM||
Jai Jai Mata, Bharat Mata
Jai Jai Gita, Bhagwat Gita
J S Ram
What a name you go under. If it was someone-ese they would have called you “shit” because you like to use this word. At last have some respect, if not for yourself, then for the sake of the name your portray.
In your ealier message you said “Why do you expect us to follow your shit rituals in your Islamic hubs”….So why do you ban cow slaughter in Gujarat? Yet I support Muslims not eating beef in Gujarat so as not to hurt Hindu sentiments.
Munaf Zeena
Hindus are like that only. How many Hindu institutions cried for the Kashmiri Pandits when they were massacred by Islamists. There should be no shame for Gujrat, because there was no genocide as you psuedos claim. Not only were muslims killed, but hindus were killed too in Gujrat in 2002. Just check the figures given by your so-called ’secular’ UPA government. And that is why i say just go through all the comments that have been posted, and this website once again to know the TRUTH.
You are going on Harping about the greatness of Deoband, everybody knows whose line it toes, (I have mentioned earlier that it issued the fatwa against terrorism only after the OIC did one). Was it not a great institution from 1993 the year of the first bomb blast in mumbai to 2007 when it issued the fatwa?
I never support any political party. I have never voted in my life, not ever will, till there is a sea-change in politics. I know these politicians are of nobody.
But you be sure to tell your community-men to vote for the Left (which is another pseudo-secular party), Laloo, Mulayam, Congress (which kept you down for the last 60 years and the results showed up in the Sachar community report).
HINDUTVA BRIGADE DOES NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE A HINDU NATION, BUT A NATION WHERE THERE IS NO MINORITY APPEASEMENT.
Yes, the sword, gas bottles and petrol was used in GUJRAT in the GODHRA CARNAGE. Its good that you are ready for change and accepting atleast 1 point.
If you are not a pseudo-secularist, why are you shouting from England about what happens in INDIA, and not preventing KAFEELS, SABEELS, DHIREN BAROTS, ETC, to carry out their evil designs in the land you live.
Even a celebrated writer like Arundhati Roy, is a pseudo can gauged by the truth this website has written. If you want the facts, 279 people were killed by Islamists all over the world and 34 persons were killed in India by Islamists, from the time you wrote your 1st report. Incidently majority of the killed were muslims and in muslims majority countries. Here are the Hard Facts. So INTROSPECT.
Still vouch for the Left (which is another pseudo-secular party), Laloo, Mulayam, Congress (which kept you down for the last 60 years and the results showed up in the Sachar community report). And expect power from them
I mention your VICTIM MENTALITYY, it is because you are not seeing the good things we have given you for the last 1000 years, but want to cry foul when somebody gives you a dose of your own medicine. Why shouldn’t I say about other countries.(If we go by the same yardstick, you shouldn’t be saying anything about INDIA from ENGLAND). You only said what you say spans the world and is not limited to a local mosque. I know the ground realities in India, what is going on, and I not harping like you are and trying to divert the issue.
If you want to go back to Gujrat, Babri, I can go back to Somanth, Mathura, Kandhar, Kashmir, Bangladesh etc, but that won’t solve the problem, but lets agree on 1 point. If any terrorist is found from any community then he should be disowned by the whole community and not supported by anybody from the community. Modi is for inclusive growth, I have already provided you the links
http://www.bengalgenocide.com/
FUNDAMENTALS of HINDUISM,
Believe there is Godliness in everything, We have not lost the fundamentals of hinduism (which means live and let live), and will never will afterall even your forefathers were Hindus once, I won’t rest untill I have stirred your CONSCIENCE, even if you have lost it.
http://www.turandursun.com/plugins/p2003_news/printarticle.php?p2003_articleid=7
Hindus first INTROSPECT before even letting out a word. Just go through the discussion we have hard. I have provided you with HARD FACTS and REFERENCES all along, but still you are harping about the CONSPIRACY and all those nonsense things which do not exist in India (maybe England OK, because I don’t live there)..
Just go through all the links I have provided in all my posts and you will get a clearer picture, and don’t forget to go through this website too (after putting your reading glasses and not at 4 am).
Hindus are like that only. How many Hindu institutions cried for the Kashmiri Pandits when they were massacred by Islamists. There should be no shame for Gujrat, because there was no genocide as you psuedos claim. Not only were muslims killed, but hindus were killed too in Gujrat in 2002. Just check the figures given by your so-called ’secular’ UPA government. And that is why i say just go through all the comments that have been posted, and this website once again to know the TRUTH.
You are going on Harping about the greatness of Deoband, everybody knows whose line it toes, (I have mentioned earlier that it issued the fatwa against terrorism only after the OIC did one). Was it not a great institution from 1993 the year of the first bomb blast in mumbai to 2007 when it issued the fatwa?
I never support any political party. I have never voted in my life, not ever will, till there is a sea-change in politics. I know these politicians are of nobody.
But you be sure to tell your community-men to vote for the Left (which is another pseudo-secular party), Laloo, Mulayam, Congress (which kept you down for the last 60 years and the results showed up in the Sachar community report).
HINDUTVA BRIGADE DOES NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE A HINDU NATION, BUT A NATION WHERE THERE IS NO MINORITY APPEASEMENT.
Yes, the sword, gas bottles and petrol was used in GUJRAT in the GODHRA CARNAGE. Its good that you are ready for change and accepting atleast 1 point.
If you are not a pseudo-secularist, why are you shouting from England about what happens in INDIA, and not preventing KAFEELS, SABEELS, DHIREN BAROTS, ETC, to carry out their evil designs in the land you live.
Even a celebrated writer like Arundhati Roy, is a pseudo can gauged by the truth this website has written. If you want the facts, 279 people were killed by Islamists all over the world and 34 persons were killed in India by Islamists, from the time you wrote your 1st report. Incidently majority of the killed were muslims and in muslims majority countries. Here are the Hard Facts. So INTROSPECT.
Still vouch for the Left (which is another pseudo-secular party), Laloo, Mulayam, Congress (which kept you down for the last 60 years and the results showed up in the Sachar community report). And expect power from them
I mention your VICTIM MENTALITYY, it is because you are not seeing the good things we have given you for the last 1000 years, but want to cry foul when somebody gives you a dose of your own medicine. Why shouldn’t I say about other countries.(If we go by the same yardstick, you shouldn’t be saying anything about INDIA from ENGLAND). You only said what you say spans the world and is not limited to a local mosque. I know the ground realities in India, what is going on, and I not harping like you are and trying to divert the issue.
If you want to go back to Gujrat, Babri, I can go back to Somanth, Mathura, Kandhar, Kashmir, Bangladesh etc, but that won’t solve the problem, but lets agree on 1 point. If any terrorist is found from any community then he should be disowned by the whole community and not supported by anybody from the community. Modi is for inclusive growth, I have already provided you the links
http://www.bengalgenocide.com/
FUNDAMENTALS of HINDUISM,
Believe there is Godliness in everything, We have not lost the fundamentals of hinduism (which means live and let live), and will never will afterall even your forefathers were Hindus once, I won’t rest untill I have stirred your CONSCIENCE, even if you have lost it.
http://www.turandursun.com/plugins/p2003_news/printarticle.php?p2003_articleid=7
Hindus first INTROSPECT before even letting out a word. Just go through the discussion we have hard. I have provided you with HARD FACTS and REFERENCES all along, but still you are harping about the CONSPIRACY and all those nonsense things which do not exist in India (maybe England OK, because I don’t live there)..
Just go through all the links I have provided in all my posts and you will get a clearer picture, and don’t forget to go through this website too (after putting your reading glasses and not at 4 am).
63 Jai Shri Ram Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Oh! Munaf again forgot to put on her glasses. Come on Munaf, before you start writing, atleast put on the glasses and type it right.
Comman Man
Simply ask yourself if there is anything you can do to stop these attrocities on innocent people. Let me know what you tried and how it went. A starting point may be the RSS camps or the Vishwa Hindu Parishad or the Bajrang Dal.
By the way, if you feel you can make some headway against any other non Hindutva group then by all means please do so.
Until then goodbye.
Dear Comman, I think your full name is Communal Man. You have never spoken about anything about unity and resolution of the problem.
I am really unhappy with your statement, time and again which you and people having dirty mentality like you, mention “it is because you are not seeing the good things we have given you for the last 1000 years”…WHO ARE YOU FOR GIVING US ALL THIS. ITIS THE ALLAH WHO GAVE US AND WOULD KEEP US GIVING ALL OUR LIFE.
Dear Jai Shri Ram
Islam nahin fayla talwaron ke zoor se….and I think no religion would sustain if it propogated by the use of power.
Did you read any news, did any one got converted to HINDU even after you all inflicted so many wounds on the people of Gujrat.
Islam is the fastest growing religion and people are accepting this after knowing its teachings.
Islam talks about quality and not quantity. A muslim is not a muslim just by his name, he is MUSLIM only if he follows the teachings of Quran and believes in Allah.
Muslims ruled India for many hundreds of years, and as u mentioned that people are forced to take up Islam, then everyone in india would have been Muslim, if they would have used force.
The word HINDUSTAN is given by URDU…. it means people living in the HIND area.
Dear Munaf,
When I provide you the facts, you run away.
I am an active member of my community.
I once again ask you to go through all the comments that have been posted, and this website once again to know the TRUTH and also through all the links I have provided in all my posts and you will get a clearer picture.
Well, if you are saying Goodbye to preach NON-VIOLENCE to the Kafeels, Sabeels, Dhiren Barots, etc. I am glad and wish you all the best.
Dear Aquil,
You are entitled to your view, if you think that I am like that then so be it, because my religion teaches me that I am not a supremacist and I should not force my view on others and even there is some Godliness in you.
Just go through all my comments once again, and you will know.
Even I believe it is Allah who has given us (the Indians) the Good things, but we (the Hindus) never blame the Motherland or even for that matter, the Muslims for all the problems that we have to face in India today (TERRORISM included).
Dear JSR,
Below is ur comment….
Why do you expect us to follow your shit rituals in your Islamic hubs, I have seen in Saudi Arabia, “the hub of Islamic Terrorism” that a non-muslim is not allowed to have even a glass of water during your Ramadan period. Its your Ramadan, not our, but why do you try to thrust your beliefs on us.
I think Saudi, UAE is the safest place for humans who are law abiding. And if you dont follow the law, the govt of these countries would not spare even the Prince of the country also.
As far as ur comment goes, just dont believe on rumours or said stories. The rule is during Ramzan you should not keep open the hotels during day time and people should not eat out side or on public places. Who is stopping any Non-Muslim if they are eating inside their house. I have many non-muslim friends who are working in Gulf and I have never heard abt all this from them any time. I was also there for a month during Ramzan and did not heard from any of my non Muslim friends about this.
Dear Comman,
First of all, every muslim loves,respects and has to abdide the rules and regulation (If they are not directly against Islam)of that country where he resides. He loves the land but he cannot worship. Like I love my mom, but I cannot worship her or bow my head on her feet, because that would be against Islam. Islam says that a Muslim should bow his head only in front of Almighty.
Nobody in this world who has family and has fear of ALMIGHTY would ever support some one who is killing humanity. And I think, if you ask the first thought of any Muslim, he would condemn such acts.
But the only explanation the people who do BOMB BLAST have is that, Babri masjid, Mumbai rights,gujarat rights,Mandir wahin banayenge,Musjid is Mathura was Krsihna’s temple, Kaaba is Shiv Ling, Taj Mahal was Shiv;s mandir……
None of the people who carried out Mumbai rights are punished, same with Gujrat. Godhra people got life imprionment, 100 people convicted in Mumbai blast.
I am asking why you all are giving them chance for doing this.
You know we all travel daily and looking at the situation today in India, every MOM who is hindu muslim christian or sikh, she would be praying to God that my son, my daughter my husband shuld come back home unharmed.
When we interact in office with our collegues, do we ever think he is muslim I shud not talk or he is hindu i shud not be close to him, becoz there we all have same goal to earn for our family, to give them good life, educate them.
You all are trying here on this website to justify that number of people killed, justifying that Gujrat was after Godhra.
MAY I KNOW YOUR COMMENTS ON BAJRANG DAL DOING WITH THE CHRISTIANS. BURNING THE CHURCHES. WHAT SHUD BE DONE WITH BAJRANG DAL. I WANT TO KNOW YOUR COMMENTS AS A TRUE INDIAN, TRUE HINDU WHO BELIEVES IN THE TEACHING OF RAMA AND NOT IN THE TEACHING OF MODI’S, ADVANIS AND OTHER SICK PEOPLE.
Comman Man,
I don’t think we are getting anywhere. The reason is becuase your minds are corrupted by what you perceive to have gone on in the past. If anyone is suffering from the victim mentality then you are. Please go and introspect and get some counselling then you may be able to come out of your victim mentality.
“Run away”, you run away if you want to, i am not for running.
Lets move things a little forward. You want us to introsepect. Ok, lets do that. I challenge you to post me a 101 questions that you think your community is affected by because of the actions of the Muslims in India. I will respond to each of your points after due consideration. Whether there is agreement or not, the matter will be out in the publuc so that Muslims and Hindutva can do a bit of soul searching. Perhaps we can even have a public debate, in your partch.
Please consult your community widely, and even contact your uncle Modi, so that even his thoughts are included.
I look forward to your response.
Aquil – One more misinformed son of Allah
Aquil you quoted “The word HINDUSTAN is given by URDU…. it means people living in the HIND area.”
STHAN is not an URDU/ARABIC term, it is a sanskrit word, which means place. STHAN is a typical sanskrit word, so that means as per your own words, URDU/ARABIC is a corrupt version of Sanskrit.
Ever Wondered Hindustan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajakistan and all the stans, were hindu kingdoms, which your cruel mongrels attacked and looted to their heart fill.
Dear Munaf,
You say that I should post 101 questions to you, but before that atleast answer me on all the questions I have already asked you in my comments. So that you don’t take the trouble of going through all my comments again (though I repeatedly asked you to go through them, so that you would have a clear picture about Indians in India, saying because you are harping from England and Hindus) I am reposting them.
And waiting for your replies. Before that, I repeat, please INTROSPECT.
1) Everybody knows who is being labelled as Terrorists worldwide, do you know it or you don’t?
2) Just have a look around the Muslim World, and you will yourself see the bias, do you see it or you don’t?
3) The land you look forward to, 5 times a day, doesn’t allow other religions to exist, or does it?
4) The Army was conducting Flag marches on 1st March 2002, in Ahmedabad, and there was no 3 days lapse, as claimed by the pseudo-secular media. Is this website wrong?
5) If you pray towards the Holy Qaba(or Kaaba) for its religious significance, is it not that it is written in the Holy Koran to kill all ‘idolators’, then how come you are missing out that religious significance?
6) Why is it that Hindus and other non-muslims are persecuted in all muslim majority countries, while you people cry hoarse in non-mulsim countries for Human Rights. Have you started preaching Human Rights in Muslim-majority countries?
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Persecution_of_non-Muslims_in_Muslim_countries
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?t=39917
7) Go and preach in the friday sermon to respect other religions and their practices and you surely will have a fatwa in your name, and if you have already started preachig, did you get any fatwa, or you haven’t started yet?
8) Darul Uloom is nationalist second and muslim first and not the other way around, that is why it took them till 2007 to issue a fatwa against terrorism, when the first bomb blasts in mumbai took place in 1993, or did I read that they have issued a fatwa against Osama, Dawood, Tauqeer?
9) Well lets then together start the reforms by implementing Uniform law for all, let there be no reservations for anybody, no subsidies, not for Kailash Mansarovar nor for Haj, no Himdu or Muslim Personal laws, so finally have you started the reforms?
http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/murshidabad-muslims-behead-husband-for-being-of-different-religion/
10) For your apology on calling me by that abusive word, co*man, I aked you, is it not written in the Koran to lie to non-muslims. So anyone can make out whether your excuse for writing that abusive word for me is justified. I told you I believe in Taqiyya, tell me you don’t?
http://www.al-islam.org/ENCYCLOPEDIA/chapter6b/1.html.
11) You do something to improve the VICTIM MENTALITY of the muslims and I shall start believing you, did you make a start?
12) Just give me 1 Muslim country, which doen’t treat its non-muslims as second grade citizens?
http://malayindians.blogspot.com/2008/02/discrimination-of-hindus-in-malaysia.html
13) But can you give me more than 1 example of progress made for the non-muslims in muslims majority countries, and that also without persecuting them FIRST.
http://pakhindu.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/balochistan-massacre-of-hindu-civilians-by-pakistani-army/
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/13guest1.htm
14) Have you started preaching muslims to start respecting other religions and their practices, and stopped preaching HATRED and CONSPIRACY theories in India?
15) Muslim women are working in night shifts in BPOs and making progress, which would never be possible for them in muslim countries, have they started working, get me some references?
16) Did you visit the site for this formerly Buddhist nation, for more information search the web?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_maldive.htm
17) The Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhist, Sindhis and even muslims who have come out of the mentality that they are the VICTIMS of some CONSPIRACY, have prospered in India, haven’t they?
18) Aren’t Pandits, still 2nd grade citizens when it comes to people from the kashmir valley in the muslim majority state?
http://kbarrett.cotse.net/idiot/index.php?title=india_sharia_may_replace_a_few_laws_in_k&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
19) HINDUTVA BRIGADE DOES NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE A HINDU NATION, BUT A NATION WHERE THERE IS NO MINORITY APPEASEMENT, have you made any progress on that front?
20) The People who killed Mohandas K Gandhi or Rajiv Gandhi or India Gandhi were not quoting verses from the Bhagvad Gita to justify their killings, or were they holding the Gita?
21) Muslims were involved in the Air India bombs that exploded in the 1980’s. The Pakistani -Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) was invovled, and I far as we all know there aren’t any Hindus in ISI. Have the Muslims in the ISI converted to other religions or has ISI started re-cruting people from other religions? Please enlighted me on that front.
22) So are you agreeing to my point? If any terrorist is found from any community then he should be disowned by the whole community and not supported by anybody from the community.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/19shoot1.htm
23) Have you removed the anti-national elements from your community and so that we hindus be there to protect you from anybody calling you Pakistan?
http://stepstosecondpartition.blogspot.com/2008/06/mosque-in-kolkata-blocks-airport-did.html
24) DID YOU CHECK OUT the facts? 279 people were killed by Islamists all over the world and 34 persons were killed in India by Islamists, from the time you wrote your 1st report. Incidently majority of the killed were muslims and in muslims majority countries
25) Shall I apply the same yardstick, say Yes or No? Why shouldn’t I say about other countries.(If we go by the same yardstick, you shouldn’t be saying anything about INDIA from ENGLAND).
26) Did you check the Fundametals of Hinduism, if not please search the Net?
27) Did you check the website?
http://www.turandursun.com/plugins/p2003_news/printarticle.php?p2003_articleid=7
28) if you are saying Goodbye to preach NON-VIOLENCE to the KAFEELs, SABEELs, DHIREN BAROTs, etc. I am glad and wish you all the best, are you really going to preach?
Or is it that ulimately Vinayak (who posted comment No.34) correct?
Aquil, one more interesting point I would love to bring forth, you yourself said this “You know we all travel daily and looking at the situation today in India, every MOM who is hindu muslim christian or sikh, she would be praying to God that my son, my daughter my husband shuld come back home unharmed.”
Now, who did this? Who is responsible for a situation like this, it is your people Islamic Terrorists/Jihadi’s who are doing this? Your people are the ones behind this whole fiasco. They are the ones who have infested fear in the hearts of normal citizens.
Your School of Evil Madarsa’s, Prechers of Evil Mulla’s are the ones who train the jihadi’s and make sure that they create maximum havoc in the country. I’ve read it that your holy books do promise you many things in return of doing all these things. I seldom believe it, but its strewn all over the place what your Hadiths preach.
This is what your person ‘Abu Bashir’ said during investigations
“By waging war against this country, we have secured a place in jannat (heaven),” the Mufti told the interrogators
Read This:
Heard vaguely of “the 72 virgins,” Houris, promised as wives (in addition to his wives from Earth) to each Muslim man in Paradise. This, in the sayings of the Prophet, is “the smallest reward” someone in Paradise can expect. (The Tafsir of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72; Book of Sunan, Vol. IV, Chapter 21, Hadith 2687).
Read this:
From a dusty, poor refugee camp in Gaza, the suicide bomber as he explodes will instantly be transported to this Paradise. This is why many Palestinian bombers behave as grooms preparing for their wedding to “the dark-eyed ones,” and why one young bomber was found to have wrapped his genitals to keep them intact for the exotic heavenly thrills and pleasures awaiting him.
Source: http://frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=819CD274-702C-4489-9F5A-FBCA922C89C8
Read This:
Islamic Paradise offers more than endless heterosexual pleasure. The martyrs there will also spend eternity serviced by handsome “boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls” (Koran 76:19) or “young boys…as fair as virgin pearls” (Koran 52:24). Even on Earth, Allah readily forgives men who repent after engaging in homosexual acts (Koran 4:21).
Is this what you are preached during your late night Taraviz and Bayaans after the namaaz?
I know, you would not understand why I hate Moslems/Islam and your people so much…. its because of you and your shit people, that I’ve lost my people. Munaf sitting there in UK, it might be easy for you to type something and publish it. But I urge, have you ever been in a situation like this before…
“Jo apnon ka nahi ho saka, woh is desh aur kaum ka kya hoga”
why are all the places in world where terrorism exists – the cause is of muslim extremists ?
please explain and answer lies beneath .
sorry but facts are to be accepted.
may it be india – jerusalem – afghanistan – russia – twin towers not spared and kashmir if YOU dont consider in india.
Why Christian Jihad?
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1191466
Violence fuels ‘Christian jihad’ fears
By – Kay Benedict
NEW DELHI; The anti-Christian violence ongoing in several states allegedly by the Bajrang Dal and other affiliates of the Sangh Pariwar may spur a Christian jihadi group, fear church leaders, Congressmen from Karnataka, the CPI(M) and even union finance minister P Chidambaram, even as several secular-nationalist Muslim groups in Karnataka have decided to support the Christians.
Decrying the violence against the Christian community, Karnataka Imams Council (KIC) has decided to hold a dharna in Bangalore to condemn the attacks on churches. Mufti Ihathmul Haq, a council official, in a statement said: “The attacks on prayer halls and places of worship in three districts in Karnataka posed a threat to the country’s unity and strength.” The statement said the council’s dharna in front of the Gandhi statue aims at expressing Muslims’ opposition to violence. The council also demanded action against the culprits.
Sources said a few Congress leaders who visited Mangalore with church leaders in the wake of the violence got the feedback that Christian youth feel the BJP government in Karnataka is patronising the Bajrang Dal and the VHP and that they will not get justice. “They are becoming restive and may turn to militancy,” said a church official.
Some Catholic youth are understood to have told visiting leaders that if Muslim youth could take up arms and retaliate, why not Christians? They said the time had come for Christians to obliterate the “meek, law-abiding, docile tag”.
Fearing the “hate campaign” may open another terror front, the CPI(M) on Thursday said “the most dangerous message that is being sent out by the BJP-ruled states is the minorities cannot expect just and equal treatment as citizens. This creates the most fertile ground for terrorists of all hues.”
Chidambaram warned of “new waves of terror” if the alienation of the minority communities was not addressed. “There is the challenge of alienation of the Muslim community and, more recently, of the Christian community…Out of hopelessness and despair of the Muslim community – and if not addressed firmly, the Christian
tribal communities too – will rise new waves of terror,” he said at the Field Marshal KM Cariappa memorial lecture here on Wednesday.
Catholic Bishops Conference of India spokesperson Father Babu Joseph, said “The church will never promote violence. It always advocated peaceful means for solving conflicts, but at the same time Christians like anybody else have the right to self-protection and if the government fails to provide security to their lives and property, Christians will also find ways to protect themselves like anybody else.”
Sources said senior Congress leaders Oscar Fernandes and Margaret Alva, hailing from Karnataka, who visited the violence-hit Mangalore, apprised the Congress top brass and prime minister Manmohan Singh that if the “hate campaign” continued unchecked, the state could get polarised on religious-lines.
“Of the people killed in terrorist attacks in India in he year 2007, less than one third were killed by Muslim organisations whilst the reast were klled by others-notably left wing extremist groups, the UIFA in Assam and PLA in Manipur” (fragaance of the East(2008):34).
There are terrorists amongs us all.
Hi JSR,
The people who are doing this are not doing against country. They are doing becoz their mothers and sisters in Islam were raped and killed during rights. Babri Masjid was completely destryed. And one can expect in a country where there are many religions, this kind of things could happen. But the worst thing is the Hindus who did all this are never punished and Muslims who are innocent were arrested and harassed by the Police.
I think nobody can stop such such acts, till the Justice is given to the Muslims and also assurance that they would not be victimised.
NOW U PEOPLE HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR ANOTHER BOMB BLAST/RIGHTS BY ATTACKING THOSE CHURCHES. IF CHRISTIAN DO SOMETHING WRONG, U ALL WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE.
Though personally I am against these Bomb blasts and all, and been a doctor I know, how difficult iT becomes for the people for the rest of the life when they are injured after a bomb blast.
But you know, we have patience to accept all the ill treatment by the Hindus and juidaciary, but those half a percent of people who are doing BOMB BLAST are not able to accept the Insult on Islam and muslims. Hence they are sacrificing their LIFE.
Hi JSR,
Thanks for the information on “STHAN” may be I dont have enough knowledge, but I would come back to you on this.
Munaf Zeena,
Asak,
Man I am really impressed by your knowledge, patience and the way you put your thoughts into words.
May Allah help all of us, to be truthful and patient and save us from all the Evils.
KH
Aquil
Minorities will always be abused anywhere around the world. aaj unka waqt hai,kal kisi aur ka waqt ayega. what goes up comes down with gravity. All i want to tell here is “there is still time to live in harmony. at the end of the day it’s humanity that has to be considered. Lakum di nakum waya deen, you believe what you want to believe. But at the end of the day a harmonios society will defend one another from calamities.
look at karnataka, Belgaum is divided , Hindus are both the Kannadigas and Marathas. Both want Belgaum to go either in Karnataka or Maharashtra. It reminds us of Jaichandra inviting Ghor to come to India and help defeat Prithviraj. Well what looks like is the same is going to repeat. India is a industrious country and these skirmishes will put us behind all the other bi economies. we have a chance to top all, but we are still grouping hatred and talking trash. agey badho aur jiyo. milkar jiyo. aaj ka politician kal ko mareyga, saath kya leyjaeyga, kuch bhi nahi. arey bacho jiyo aur jeeney do.
Zindadil….
You are truely a Zindadil insaan…
Well said. Very good message for people like us who are wasting our time in arguing and giving justification. Yes you are right, this generation should get up and work for the betterment of the humanity, rather than dividing people into regions and religions. If we all get up and give a strong message to the politicians that they can not divide us on the line of relgion,caste etc, then I think Politicians would also start talking about development of the country rather than construction of Babri Masjid.
Aquil,
WS
Ameen
Munaf Zeena
In history, there was no place called Hindustan. In fact, there was no such thing as ‘Hindu’ and the word is a much later addition to signify a ‘contested’ unity of the once fragmented Hindu religious community.
Land beyond the Indus river was known as Industan.This name was not given by those living in what was known as ‘Industan’ but by those seeing Industan from outside Industan. If this is the case, then the word stan is an import.
Its always stupid people like Munaf, who try to malign the real truth and they have a bunch of fools hanging around and supporting them.
Let me get this clear to you, that STHAN is an typical sanskrit word and we can speak a lot on this. However, what would a ill informed moslem like you understand, if I start explaining you about sanskrit.
Hinduism was earlier known as SANATANA DHARM and I mentioned this earlier itself. So no points for you for putting it down. Second, I was speaking about the word STHAN and it still exists.
J S Ram.
Just because someone has a different view from you does not mean one is stupid. “Why is your arse on fire”. History is full of contradictions an even if the root word of stan derives from sanskript so what. Your final solution is to evict all minorities that do not tow your line, just as Hitler did to the the Jews. So where do you want us to go? You claim lands that are well outside your territorial boundary. What will happen to us if we don’t go?
Thanks for acknowledging a capacity that i never thought i had. But to be honest with you, except for on the issue of Darul Harab, i have not consulted anyone as there has been no need to. Your arguments are so pathetic and tasteless that it hardly requires a deep thought.
At least, you have stopped using the word “shit”. So all is not lost yet and there is hope.
ear Munaf
Your ‘CAUSE AND EFFECT’ theory is indirectly justifying the violence committed by the Hindu groups, whereas I am against justification of any kind of violence?
Sorry for missing out the ‘D’ in ‘Dear Munaf’.
“Of the people killed in terrorist attacks in India in he year 2007, less than one third were killed by Muslim organisations whilst the reast were klled by others-notably left wing extremist groups, the UIFA in Assam and PLA in Manipur”
And you finally agree that Muslim organisations kill innocents, even though you say its just 1/3rd of the total.
Dear Aquil,
Fine, you don’t worship the Motherland. But then atleast don’t blame all your problems on the Motherland and the Hindus. I agree, There have been some issues which have cropped up in the last 2 decades which are hindering our progress and need to be sorted out through peaceful dialogue.
There have been convictions in Gujrat.
As for the convictions in the Mumbai riots, the ‘Secular’ congress has been promising that for years.
It’s we all (including you) who are giving them a chance to do this.
India needs people like you, who are aggressive (I am sorry but refering to the first posting of yours, mentioning r*p*.), but ready to listen and discuss the ills of the society and work towards removing them. People like yuu need to lead your community and not anit-nationals like
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/19shoot1.htm
This website is not for justifying the riots against Muslims, but for busting the myths created by the pseudo-secular media.
I am against this action of Bajrang Dal. Violence in no form can be sanctioned. I know these people are bringing disrepute to the community The person who said the provocative statements is already behind bars, and he should be dealt with strictly.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/20karna.htm
And for your knowledge, neither I listen to the teachings of some community leaders, pandits nor of some Mullahs. But whatever comments I have posted (please go through all of them before replying), are my own and posted after thorough research on the net.
Dear Munaf,
You say that I should post 101 questions to you, but before that atleast answer me on all the questions I have already asked you in my comments. So that you don’t take the trouble of going through all my comments again (though I repeatedly asked you to go through them, so that you would have a clear picture about Indians in India, saying because you are harping from England and Hindus) I am reposting them.
And waiting for your replies. Before that, I repeat, please INTROSPECT.
1) Everybody knows who is being labelled as Terrorists worldwide, do you know it or you don’t?
2) Just have a look around the Muslim World, and you will yourself see the bias, do you see it or you don’t?
3) The land you look forward to, 5 times a day, doesn’t allow other religions to exist, or does it?
4) The Army was conducting Flag marches on 1st March 2002, in Ahmedabad, and there was no 3 days lapse, as claimed by the pseudo-secular media. Is this website wrong?
5) If you pray towards the Holy Qaba(or Kaaba) for its religious significance, is it not that it is written in the Holy Koran to kill all ‘idolators’, then how come you are missing out that religious significance?
6) Why is it that Hindus and other non-muslims are persecuted in all muslim majority countries, while you people cry hoarse in non-mulsim countries for Human Rights. Have you started preaching Human Rights in Muslim-majority countries?
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Persecution_of_non-Muslims_in_Muslim_countries
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?t=39917
7) Go and preach in the friday sermon to respect other religions and their practices and you surely will have a fatwa in your name, and if you have already started preachig, did you get any fatwa, or you haven’t started yet?
5) If you pray towards the Holy Qaba(or Kaaba) for its religious significance, is it not that it is written in the Holy Koran to kill all ‘idolators’, then how come you are missing out that religious significance?
6) Why is it that Hindus and other non-muslims are persecuted in all muslim majority countries, while you people cry hoarse in non-mulsim countries for Human Rights. Have you started preaching Human Rights in Muslim-majority countries?
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Persecution_of_non-Muslims_in_Muslim_countries
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?t=39917
5) If you pray towards the Holy Qaba(or Kaaba) for its religious significance, is it not that it is written in the Holy Koran to kill all ‘idolators’, then how come you are missing out that religious significance?
6) Why is it that Hindus and other non-muslims are persecuted in all muslim majority countries, while you people cry hoarse in non-mulsim countries for Human Rights. Have you started preaching Human Rights in Muslim-majority countries?
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Persecution_of_non-Muslims_in_Muslim_countries
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?t=39917
7) Go and preach in the friday sermon to respect other religions and their practices and you surely will have a fatwa in your name, and if you have already started preachig, did you get any fatwa, or you haven’t started yet?
8) Darul Uloom is nationalist second and muslim first and not the other way around, that is why it took them till 2007 to issue a fatwa against terrorism, when the first bomb blasts in mumbai took place in 1993, or did I read that they have issued a fatwa against Osama, Dawood, Tauqeer?
9) Well lets then together start the reforms by implementing Uniform law for all, let there be no reservations for anybody, no subsidies, not for Kailash Mansarovar nor for Haj, no Himdu or Muslim Personal laws, so finally have you started the reforms?
http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/murshidabad-muslims-behead-husband-for-being-of-different-religion/
10) For your apology on calling me by that abusive word, co*man, I aked you, is it not written in the Koran to lie to non-muslims. So anyone can make out whether your excuse for writing that abusive word for me is justified. I told you I believe in Taqiyya, tell me you don’t?
http://www.al-islam.org/ENCYCLOPEDIA/chapter6b/1.html.
11) You do something to improve the VICTIM MENTALITY of the muslims and I shall start believing you, did you make a start?
12) Just give me 1 Muslim country, which doen’t treat its non-muslims as second grade citizens, I will really be flad if there is 1?
malayindians.blogspot.com/2008/02/discrimination-of-hindus-in-malaysia.html
13) But can you give me more than 1 example of progress made for the non-muslims in muslims majority countries, and that also without persecuting them FIRST.
http://pakhindu.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/balochistan-massacre-of-hindu-civilians-by-pakistani-army/
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/13guest1.htm
14) Have you started preaching muslims to start respecting other religions and their practices, and stopped preaching HATRED and CONSPIRACY theories in India?
15) Muslim women are working in night shifts in BPOs and making progress, which would never be possible for them in muslim countries, have they started working, get me some references?
16) Did you visit the site for this formerly Buddhist nation, for more information search the web?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_maldive.htm
17) The Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhist, Sindhis and even muslims who have come out of the mentality that they are the VICTIMS of some CONSPIRACY, have prospered in India, haven’t they?
18) Aren’t Pandits, still 2nd grade citizens when it comes to people from the kashmir valley in the muslim majority state?
http://kbarrett.cotse.net/idiot/index.php?title=india_sharia_may_replace_a_few_laws_in_k&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
19) HINDUTVA BRIGADE DOES NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE A HINDU NATION, BUT A NATION WHERE THERE IS NO MINORITY APPEASEMENT, have you made any progress on that front?
20) The People who killed Mohandas K Gandhi or Rajiv Gandhi or India Gandhi were not quoting verses from the Bhagvad Gita to justify their killings, or were they holding the Gita in their hands?
21) Muslims were involved in the Air India bombs that exploded in the 1980’s. The Pakistani -Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) was invovled, and I far as we all know there aren’t any Hindus in ISI. Have the Muslims in the ISI converted to other religions or has ISI started re-cruting people from other religions? Please enlighted me on that front.
22) So are you agreeing to my point? If any terrorist is found from any community then he should be disowned by the whole community and not supported by anybody from the community.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/19shoot1.htm
23) Have you removed the anti-national elements from your community and so that we hindus be there to protect you from anybody calling you Pakistan?
http://stepstosecondpartition.blogspot.com/2008/06/mosque-in-kolkata-blocks-airport-did.html
24) DID YOU CHECK OUT the facts? 279 people were killed by Islamists all over the world and 34 persons were killed in India by Islamists, from the time you wrote your 1st report. Incidently majority of the killed were muslims and in muslims majority countries
25) Shall I apply the same yardstick, say Yes or No? Why shouldn’t I say about other countries.(If we go by the same yardstick, you shouldn’t be saying anything about INDIA from ENGLAND).
26) Did you check the Fundametals of Hinduism, if not please search the Net?
27) Did you check the website?
http://www.turandursun.com/plugins/p2003_news/printarticle.php?p2003_articleid=7
28) if you are saying Goodbye to preach NON-VIOLENCE to the KAFEELs, SABEELs, DHIREN BAROTs, etc. I am glad and wish you all the best, are you really going to preach?
Or is it that ulimately Vinayak (who posted comment No.34) correct?
Comman man is now citizen.
I don’t have the time to come back and engage in the numerous points that are raised. Accordingly, i have chalenged you to ask your 101 questions regarding issues that concern you, and your lot, about Indian Muslims and i will respond to them as soon as i can. And please don’t as questions like “Did you check the Website”
By the way, I will only respond to people who appear to use genuine names and not pseudo’s.
Oh Munaf, whats you take on this now?
We have seen destruction of temples right from your forefathers days, they destroyed our temples to build your mosques. Now, what is this conspiracy?
The Meenakshi Temple in Madurai , Ramanathaswamy Temple in Rameswaram, Murugan temple in Palani, Kapaleeswarar Temple in Chennai and Sri Ranganathar Temple in Srirangam in Tiruchirappalli have come under a heightened security, following intelligence inputs that they could be the target of some banned islamic terrorist organisations, waiting to expand their trail across the country after the Delhi blasts.
Food for Thought for Munaf, Aquil and etc
There are several reasons to believe that this was a pre-planned conspiracy as could be seen from the following facts :-
1. Travellers of a particular religion were asked to get down at the previous station of Dahod.
2. Ppatients of a particular community were discharged from the civil hospital of Godhra one day before 27th Not a single case from a particular community was registered on 27th Feb.
3. Not even a single student or a teacher of a particular community was present in the schools of Godhra on 27th Feb.
4. This clearly shows that not only it was a pre-planned attack but many others were aware that something is likely to happen on that day.
5. Five people are likely to have foreign connections. It is suspected that this attack was a part of ISI design.
you muslims are always blaming bajrang dal, rss, vishwa hindu parishad that they are spreading terrorism in in india. they are not spreading terrorism but they are finishing islamic terrorism from india, and by the way who is spreading terrorism in usa, canada,egypt, somalia,nigeria, bitain,germany, france, italy,spain,russia,china, japan,australia, iran, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, bangladesh, nepal, and many many in the list, is it bajrang dal, rss, or vishwa hindu parishad, plzzzzzzz tell me its only a one question not 101……….
COMMAN MAN IS THE CITIZEN.
Anybody can tell, whether you don’t have time or in reality, answers to the questions raised and you say me to ask you 101 questions. First just answer 28 questions already raised, in our discussion and then i shall present you the next set. If you don’t answer, it meanse Vinayak (Comment no.34) is correct
I asked you to check the websites and links, so that you can see both sides of the coin, before replying to me. Common Muslims are interested to live and let live, but people like you instigate them against society, by expoiting the VICTTM MENTALITY Theory. So once again I ask you to go through the whole website including the comments posted by all, INTROSPECT, and then try to prove whether, what this website says is wrong or reply to my questions IF, I mention IF you (which I am sure you don’t) have the answers.
You yourself are a psuedo-secularist, so it should not matter to you.
Whats the news on the new KAFEELs, SABEELs, DHIREN BAROTs, etc?
common man, JSR and others of similiar mentality,
Bajrang dal ki itni aukat nahin ki India ke bahar jaakar kuch kare….woh sirf India mein hi kamzori par atyachar kar sakta hai…
Yes you are right, currently you would find in many countries there are terrorist activities are named after Muslims. Though all the news which come is not always true, but definitely there would be some truth.
Though I dont advocate these types of activities by any community and I feel, that instead of lakhs and crores of Rupees spent on bomb blast, they shud have funded schools and colleges and get the muslims educated becoz any community which is rich is always powerful.
Even if a small cat will bite or scratch you with her small paw, if somebody accidently or puposely put foot on her tail.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and second largest religion. People are embarassing Islam because of its teachings. Islam teaches about love and brotherhood.
There are enemy of Islam at different places in different forms, for example in India BJP, VHP and BD, same way at other places other religion and Muslims are at different places you will find different activities at different places.
As far as ur allegation regarding temples were broken to build the masjids, there would one or two sporadic events, by some people. This is against Islam, but there are good and bad in all communities. If this was common practise of breaking mandir for masjid, then I think muslims ruled India for many hundred years and there should not have been any mandir left in India.
Islam teahes not to criticize any religion, becoz if you do so, the other person may also criticize ur religion and hence you should avoid this.
Which country you are talking about, where hindus are been targetted. Muslim countries are those where there is Shariah Law, Pakistan is not a muslim country becuase they dont have Shariah law.
You see Dubai, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi…many Indians, who are hindus muslims and christian are working and they are very happy and safe there.
India is Democratic country and the constitution says that all the people who are citizens of India have equal rights,and the people who are treating us as secondary citizen are against constitution, they shud be termed as terrorist.
The Indians revolted against the Britishers becoz they thought they were treated badly by britishers and any person who has self esteem would tolerate the atrocities to a certain limit and after that he would hit back.
If the people who have been arrested are really the people who carried out the bomb blast, hang them in public, they way Islamic law permits, but if they are innocent and if they are harassed this would again give rise to feeling of revenge.
So its the responsibility of the govt as well not to make peoples mind a terrorist.
I think people like you are here to divide India. You are supporters of ISI and other agencies who are against India. You are guilty concious hence trying to shout and say that it was not 2000 but only 1000 muslims killed.
You have never apologized for the demolition of babri masjid and every year just to hurt and to put salt on muslims wound people like you carry out kar seva.
BJP came to power becoz of this issue and lost the last election becoz if got diverted to other agenda.
If India has to live in peace, each and every citizen should be treated equally whether it is hindu muslim christian or dalit.
Its very important that youth like you should come out of the shadow of the BJPs VHPs and BD and work for the modern India. The India which our coming generation owes us.
Quran has mentioned about the time currently muslims are having…. Muslims would have very bad condition becoz muslims are away from namaz roza and zakat. Becoz of this difficultly they will again be close to Allah and then they will emerge as super power. So long whatever the Quran has mentioned has become truth and inshallah this will also become.
You people are here to spread the hatred. Canvas for BJPs and others. To corrupt the good hindus who want to be away for all this gunda gardi. I see ur mind is full of venom against muslims and other communities.
Vnayak
Who is spreading so called terrorrism? It doesn’t matter to you who-else in the world is spreading terrorism. You only have eyes and ears against Muslims. I have posted some info regarding Bajang Dal. How about terrorism in Isreal. Please see the following article:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD93FP5IO0
Olmert decries ‘evil wind of extremism’ in Israel
By KARIN LAUB – 4 hours ago
JERUSALEM (AP) — An “evil wind of extremism” is threatening Israel’s democracy, outgoing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned Sunday, after a pipe bomb attack wounded a professor critical of Israel’s settler movement.
Olmert’s forceful comments came amid growing concerns in Israel about violence by hard-line radicals, including extremist West Bank settlers.
Israeli defense officials and human rights groups have noted a rise in settler violence against Palestinian soldiers and Israeli soldiers in recent months.
On Sunday, police were investigating the shooting death of a 19-year-old Palestinian shepherd whose body was discovered in ravine in a remote area of the West Bank. The shepherd’s relatives blamed Jewish settlers, but police said they were still investigating.
Also, dozens of Israeli civilians entered the Palestinian village of Kufr Diek in the West Bank late Saturday, smashing the windows of several cars and homes, said the mayor, Jamal al-Diek. Israeli troops fired stun grenades, and two villagers were hurt, the mayor said. The military denied firing grenades.
The rampage appeared to be in response to a shooting attack on an Israeli car in the area earlier Saturday. An Israeli was lightly hurt in the attack, the military said.
In Jerusalem, Olmert told his Cabinet at the start of its weekly meeting that police were asked to move as quickly as possible to arrest those involved in the bomb attack Thursday on Professor Zeev Sternhell, winner of Israel’s prestigious Israel Prize. Sternhell, a vocal critic of West Bank settlements, was lightly wounded in the bombing, which took place outside his home.
Olmert said the attackers appeared to be part of “another underground” — a reference to extremists who bombed the cars of several Arab mayors, killed three students in a shooting spree at a West Bank university and masterminded a botched attempt to blow up a key Muslim shrine in Jerusalem in the 1980s.
“An evil wind of extremism, of hate, of maliciousness, of violence, of losing control, of lawbreaking, of contempt for the institutions of state, is passing though certain sections of the Israeli public,” Olmert told the Cabinet.
The violence “is threatening Israeli democracy and the ability of those in charge in Israel to make decisions, and the ability of people to freely express opinions without fearing that they will be hurt by wild and violent people, people who break the law and break the framework of normal democratic life,” Olmert said.
In citing interference in government decisions, he appeared to refer to warnings by hardline settler leaders that they will resist any attempt to dismantle Jewish settlements as part of a peace deal with the Palestinians.
The Sternhell case revived demands in Israel that the army and police do more to rein in radicals.
Jewish extremists often clash with Palestinians and Israeli peace activists in the West Bank. The attack on Sternhell, if indeed politically motivated as police suspect, would be one of the most serious cases of political violence inside Israel since a Jewish ultranationalist assassinated then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995.
At the Cabinet meeting, Defense Minister Ehud Barak urged tougher penalties for settlers who attack Palestinian property, the Haaretz newspaper reported. He told ministers that rampaging settlers rarely have been brought to court, and any penalties handed down have been extremely light, the newspaper said.
JSR, Comman Man r So called Citizen
It appears that you have difficulty in finding 101 questions that you and your lot have that concern you, about Indian Msulims, in one go. Its ok. Take your time. I am not going anywhere.
I am not scared to respond to you and will respond to each and every one of your questions but i will do so in one go. But please ask proper questions. Not, have your seen this weblink. If you want to use a web source as supporting your case then ask the question that you want asked so that it is clear what you ae asking about Indian Muslims and then provide the source info.
Ask your 101 questions, make clear clear what you are asking in reference to Indian Muslims.
So stop making excuses as i have no more time to waste with you otherwise.
May Allah give you wisdom,open your hearts and mind to see the truth of Islam so that you too can benefit both in this world and in the hereafter.
Munaf Zeena
munaaf you are explaining again, and again. and again that how muslims are innocent and are been targeted by non-muslims, please remove the black cloth from your eyes and plz start seeing from the view of non-muslims,atleast once………you will come to know what all non-muslims from the world are suffering coz of muslims….there will be no use even if you will explain the innocence of muslims for billion and trillion and trillion times, coz you and your way is wrong, you people first make changes in yourself then the world will automatically change and there will be no nned for to muslims to explain anything, jai hind…
Dear Aquil,
It’s really sad. But I am really at a loss whether I am more saddened by the way you have been
brainwashed by Munaf and other Mullahs or by the betrayal for the trust posted in you by me.
Check this out
http://khaliliqasmi.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/06/maulana-becoming-ias-officer-time-to-celebrate
-or.htm
The IAS officer went to an RSS funded academy to prepare for the interview, and he says that he
did’t have knowledge that the academy was funded by RSS, but you have to see the point that
the Academy never dicrimated against him for being a muslim, the myth propagated by Mullahs.
I have always said that I am against any type of violence, but that Moron (he knows that I am
referring to him), is hell-bent on justifying violence against any type of injustice, don’t follow his
path. You say you are a doctor, you know the pain violence causes. Here are two weblinks
specifically for Munaf Zeena.
http://picasaweb.google.com/visakeobbsr/SwamiLaxmanandaNkaHatyakanda
http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/18/lay-off-mangalore/
For your statement:
“Though all the news which come is not always true, but definitely there would be some truth. ”
Here is the truth, just tell me can you call this ‘some’
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Even I do agree on your point for giving education, but for that we need individuals like you treading the path of knowledge and reasoning, not the path of justifying violence against any type of injustice.
Do you want to say that there is no difference between the animals and humans? Humans have a civilised way of solving their problems. And I believe you too live in a civilised society.
There was a mullah who said the “Australian women are like uncovered m**t.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-412697/Outrage-Muslim-cleric-likens-women-uncovered-meat.html
but here is the irony
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7593765.stm
but here is the irony
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7593765.stm
http://www.islam-watch.org/Letters/Muslim-Sexual-Assaults-Molestation-Girls-Pakistan.htm
And about the mandir Issue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/temple1.html
http://lahore.metblogs.com/2006/06/14/temple-demolished-in-lahore-minority-rights/
But I never try to justify violence and repeatedly say that I am against any kind of violence.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Letters/Muslim-Sexual-Assaults-Molestation-Girls-Pakistan.htm
This is Peace Loving Islam and their embracers.
One example is Malabar. Muslim traders, some say, arrived at Malabar Coast along the sea-route as early as in 629 when Prophet Muhammad was wrecking havoc on the kafirs of Arabia. Muhammad annihilated idolatry of Arabia, the equivalence of Hinduism, by giving them the choice between death and Islam [Quran 9:5]. The Hindu society of Malabar, the liberal and tolerant as it was since the antiquity, let those Muslim traders settle in. They allowed their women to marry the Muslim men [Muslims never allowed vice versa; if they ever did, the Hindu man had to convert]. They developed Muslim colonies. Some Hindus also probably converted, likely those who had taken up jobs with the Muslim traders—thanks again to the amazingly liberal and tolerant society that India was [Muslims always killed those who left Islam; they definitely tried their best]. Muslims came as traders, but preaching Islam and breeding to expand the Muslim populace was their more important goal.
By 17-18th century, they had become quite sizable in numbers; yet quite a minority still. That was good enough to unleash their Jihad; enslavement Jihad first as did Prophet Muhammad in Arabia. They used to kidnap the Hindus, particularly the children, and sell them to European traders and others.
By early 19th century, emboldened as they became, they could scale-up their Jihad to large-scale violence. The martyrdom Jihad—slay and be slain [Quran 9:111]—became popular.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018740.php
That’s the irony
There are temples only in Bahrain, Muscat and Dubai in Middle East
http://www.indusladies.com/forums/general-discussions-africa-middle-east/3440-there-indian-temples-middle-east.html
What about Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Qatar, Yemen, Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, Turkey etc?
But I never try to justify violence and repeatedly say that I am against any kind of violence.
If the people who have been arrested are really innocent, then the police should be prosecuted strictly for booking innocents.
And if they are the people who carried out the bomb blast, then they should be disowned by the community and stoned to death, they way Islamic law permits,
I don’t know about you, but surely the other guy looks to be funded by wahhabi zealots.
And for your knowledge, I have never justified the killings, but repeatedly said that you should not get carried away for revenge by terming it as genocide.
I have never voted nor do I belong to any party, but say my prayers regularly so that Bhagwan gives us the strength to survive these small hurdles..
Dear Munaf Zeena
May Allah & Bhagwan give you wisdom, open your EYES, HEARTS, & MIND to see the atrocities committed by the Muslims all over the world. And don’t worry about me, because I belive in KARMA, i.e what I sow, so shall I reap.
Waiting for your answer to the 28 questions put forward?
It it a joke? I should be asking a Britisher about Indian Muslims, who can’t stop Kafeels, Sabeels, & Dhiren Barots from carrying out terrorist activities on the land that provided so many opportunities to better their life.& doesn’t know the ground realities in India.
Check the weblinks I have given you to see both the sides of the coin before replying to me?
There is a proverb in English, which sums ups your situation perfectly.
Who live in Glass Homes, don’t throw stones on other people homes.
Dear readers-Kindly try to stick posting comments on matters related to this website-on the issue of the Gujarat riots.
And please first counter the myths laid bare by this website, before discussing any further matter.
Citizen and Comman Man,
Lets not forget the recent report by Nanavati Comission, the reports states that it was a pre-planned murder by moslems at Godhra.
British and proud to be. Indian and proud to be. MUSLIM and very proud to be.
You wish to continue with your Muslm bashing then go ahead. I don’t expect anything better.
As for your personal attacks on me, well i am glad to say that Islam instills tolerance in me. This needs to be a character trait of a Muslim and is even for the common Britishers of the day. By not responding to your provocations it will enlighten the well intentioned people and also Muslims who have to face your (Hindutva)mindset as to what Muslims ave to put up with and to preach tolerance to Muslims. Islam was spread not by the sword but by the character of the Prophet Muhammad.
A for jutifying a reaction, you started that argument. I am opposed to the action reaction theory as this is a never ending cycle. My counter-argument was that if you justified the violence in Gujarat as a reaction to Ghodra, then what happend in Mumbai blasts could be argued as a reaction to the demolition of the Babri Mosque. Vinay ask us to change before they change. He is supporting the acion reaction teory just as you lot are.
As for Nanavati commission, what did Bannergi say. In any case, there was no confidence in Nanavati who was appointed to give a clean chit to your Uncle Modi.
Sine this has become a Muslim bashing thing, i do not see anything to gain from any further disussion with you. Run away won’t but it is best to sometimes walk away.
Munaf, you people never do walk off peacefully, I seriously doubt about it. Its your character to spread havoc and you would try to do it again. There is nothing called as peace in your thing, it only piece.
I totally accept that you moslems would never ever believe the findings of the Nanavati Comission, because you feel that it was setup to give a clean chit to Modi. So, Nanavati Comission makes no sense to you.
But in the same breath, I would like to emphaise that when you yourself said that your people retaliated to the Babri Masjid thing with a Mumbai Blast in 1993, then you should also belive SriKrishna Commission, why don’t you guys believe it then?
Its nothing about it, the only fact is you people have always been behind the blasts/massacres and you know that fact and it cannot be hidden.
Dear JSR
Its nothing about it, the only fact is you people have always been behind the blasts/massacres and you know that fact and it cannot be hidden.
If this would have been the case you would have not dared to talk like this against Muslims, because i know people like u are coward and can only write provocative things to disrupt harmony and go in hiding to enjoy that
You are biased person, and I think you are not a common person who is here to have healthy debate, rather you are some one from ISI,BD,BJP,VHP. If you are from ISI you are doing this to provoke Hindus and Muslims by your fabricated statemets and if you are from the other lot, you are just trying to justify your acts and brain washing common people that all other media and news are false and what ever u have mentioned on this website is correct.
The langugae you and others used for Maulvi’s is really hurting. Maulana’s are people who sacrifice their personal interest for the sake of religion and community.
There are bad apples in every lot, but to give example and riducule whole maulvis is bad.
I could have also given example about ur God, ur pujari’s and general statement about all Hindus…
But Islam and Quran prohibits us from doing that. Quran says that you should not pass derogetory remark against any religion, becoz if you do so, the other person would also do the same about ur religion.
As Munaf rightly mentioned, A test of a Muslim is to be patient. You people can go ahead of spreading wrong facts and protect ur terrorist group of VHP and BD.
Try to justify that Gujrat was correct and all Muslims are bad.
BELIEVE ME U WUD NOT SUCCEED.
JUST AN APPEAL TO ALL THE INDIANS, HINDUS,MUSLIMS,CHRISTIANS,JAINS, ETC…TRY TO KNOW THE FACTS. KNOW THE FACTS FROM UR CLOSE FRDS FROM OTHER RELIGION. JUDGE THEM FROM THEIR BEHAVIOUR TOWARD U AND UR FAMILY. THESE TYPE OF SITES ARE JUST FOR COMMUNAL DISHARMONY.
So, you had to shout that you are a very proud MUSLIM, but whisper to be a proud Indian & Britisher. Not Surprised. Very much Typical of you!
I never bash muslims, but people like you who have misled people in name of religion, and exploit their status. Rather oppose the wahabis and help the Indian & British Muslims.
I am really grateful to you for the patience shown, but with that I request you not to expoit the Indian muslims, but protest against the intolerance shown by the wahabis. And please read the Quran (I believe you regularly do), verse by verse, before coming back to me.
WALKING AWAY, but you never answered me on NON-VIOLENCE preaching to the new Kafe…, Sabe…, Dhir.. ….., oh I am tired of asking you the same questions, without you answering a SINGLE ONE.
Citizen (It shows ur intergrity that u cannot give ur correct name also)
Kafeel,Sabeel and others would be there…even we keep on preaching day and day out. I think after every namaz, especially the Friday namaz the maulvi says to have patience, be peaceful and be close to Allah.
But the Kafeel Sabeel are those, one percent people who are directly disturbed becoz they are not able to tolerate the insult to islam by some section. Also the brother or son who have seen his sister or mother been raped during gujrat rights, out of 2000 people affected,2 or 3 would revoult.
And I think the riots is happening since the time live is here on earth. Muslim-Hindus, Protestants-Roman Catholics.Muslim-Christians.Shai Sunni.Dalits-Brahmans. State wise rights…and this would continue. But what is important here as a govt or the ruling party, that it shud be able to stop the rights as soon as possible, so that there is mimimum loss and also the people who provocated are booked without been biased to religion or caste.
If Gujrat would have been stopped on time, I dont think so there would have been so much loss of Life. Even the Govt party to the rioters. The riots were sponsored becoz people use to come in trucks in thousands. If it wud have been between people staying in a locality then I dont think so, things wud have gone that far…a day or two days of riot wud have been brought under controlled.
THE WAY U ALL ARE PASSING DEROGETORY REMARK AGAINST ISLAM, IF ISLAM WUD HAVE BEEN SO BAD, THEN IT WOULD NOT HAVE GROWN WITH THE SPEED IT IS GROWING. EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SO MUCH RESTRICTIONS IN ISLAM,REGARDING ENTERTAINMENT ETC….bank INTERESTS NOT ALLOWED…WINE OR DRINKS NOT ALLOWED…STILL PEOPLE ARE EMBRACING IT.
GANDHIJI ALWAYS PREACHED ABOUT NON VIOLENCE AND MAJORITY OF PEOPLE FOLLOWED HIM, BUT THERE WERE FEW LIKE BHAGAT SINGH AND RAJGURU OR SUBHASHJI WHO THOUGHT OTHERWISE….
THE BEST THINGS TO AVOID KAFEEL,SABEELS OR OTHERS IS STOP INTERFERING WITH ISLAM,MASJIDS AND QURAN. GIVE THE MUSLIMS THEIR RIGHTS AND JUSTICE.
AND EVEN AFTER GETTING ALL THESE THINGS IF SOME ONE DOES SOME ANTI SOCIAL ACTIVITY, THEN HE SHUD BE BEHEADED IN PUBLIC.
Aquil, I really know and have seen what you Islam and Maulvis teach you? Its a simple game of wide spreading communal disharmony. That is the max, what your people do.
Aquil, you mentioned this “But Islam and Quran prohibits us from doing that. Quran says that you should not pass derogetory remark against any religion, becoz if you do so, the other person would also do the same about ur religion.”
Can you cite the Surah No and etc for reference… you guys are used to referencing surahs and etc, while doing everything, so cite the surah no and all the other details, where in your Quran prohibits you doing so. Cite your quranic codes Aquil.
Ok, for your information. During the 9/11 Attacks on WTC, I happened to be in Hyderabad for a short stint. I do not remeber the name of the area, but it had a huge mosque built up. I was strolling pass-by, in order to reach my hotel. I heard something startelling being screamed on the top of his voice… your mulla was screaming his lungs out and lauding what Osama Bin Laden did and he went up to the extent of calling Osama Bin Laden, “Hazrat Osama Bin Laden Sahab”. This shows what your religion and religious leaders preach. They preach hatred and spread hatred amongst people.
One last point I want you to clarify, why has all of a sudden your goodbye’s changed? Earlier the goodbye’s of your used to be something like “Khuda Hafiz” and etc, not they have changed it to “Allah Hafiz”. Every now and then I hear the same thing, isin’t it the cruel game plan of your Mulla’s on a large scale to preach and change your behaviour towards non-muslims.
Just one question for our Hindu brothers… How many have you read Vedas? Please read your holy Vedas and then Quran as you will come to know similarity between these 2 religion. There are some difference in both but atleast we can come together and follow those which are similar and hopfully there won’t be any Gujarat kand and hatred.. This is only because of lack of religion knowledge, and polites…. Come and unite together and make this country prosperous.
Refer http://www.vedmandir.com/questions.php
Why are we people fighting with each other in the first place? Both communities need to think over this – the issues which make them hate each other so much, are they valid enough to justify killing innocent people, be it Godhra, post Godhra, immaterial. The fact is that killing people in the name of God is like insulting God, be it Allah or Ram.
If you are true to your God, love all his creations.
Respect life.
Condemn killings.
Follow peace.
That is what God expects from you.
I do not think why people are trying to say that Both communities should think about it & Vedas & Quraan are similar & all…
Everyone knows all these things… But, I think the Auther has asked a correct Question…
Why is it neccesary to hide the fact that total around 1200 people were killed including both communities?
What is the basic reason behind it??
& i do NOT understand why the Media is not ready to put the real figures in ANY OTHER CASES also…
as soon as an accident happens, media starts showing figures of the Death Toll… Why?? Only to be very Exclusive?? But, for that they Exclude the fact itself.
& now, I really feel that the Govt. of India is using Media at the most to prove that the HINDUs are Wrong Always. & also, trying to hide many things to prove that they are the best in politics of INDIA..
Guy`s one thing i want to ask this to all you muslim people out there ,
1) Terrorism part of your Religion (jihad)Holy war
2)India has given Life to pakistan and Bangladesh, but Bangladeshi`s are showing their colour by spreading Terrorism in india , as pakis cannot send the arms and ammunition from pakistan directly they are routing it through Bangladesh ,as its again Islamist nation, but they should never forget when we gave the land how were there and for what reasons they got .
3) any problem and bomb why only muslims involved
4)are muslims born to finger others
5)guys high time wake up
modi is a great person…..iron heart of india…the future prime minister of india
Author: nishit
Comment:
“modi is a great person…..iron heart of india…he hez the future prime minister of india.” Your original message containing below-the-belt comments -edited by the admin- accepted that Modi targetted Muslims.
THANKS NISHIT, ATLEAST U ACCEPTED THE TRUTH THAT NARENDER MODI WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HARDSHIPS WHAT MUSLIM FACED DURING GUJRAT RIOTS.
Dear Admin,
Why my reply to VINAYAK for the below mentioned message is deleted.
Author: vinayak
Comment:
are paagal aquil you are saying bajrang dal ki aukad ….gayegi……..
Dear JRS, Please acccept my apologies for replying late. I was busy in so many things and hence could not get time to reply back.
Please find my response to your comments,
(Aquil, I really know and have seen what you Islam and Maulvis teach you? Its a simple game of wide spreading communal disharmony. That is the max, what your people do.)
This is misconception about ISLAM that it teaches disharmony. This is propoganded by some section of society for defaming ISLAM. The teachings of Islam is dependent on Quran, and there are English version available, you go through them and you would understood what is the teaching of Islam. Kindly do not quote any pharse out of context. It has to be taken in totality.
I have studied Quran and Hadith from Maulvis…. I dont remember a single time that they have spoken about communal disharmony.
(Aquil, you mentioned this “But Islam and Quran prohibits us from doing that. Quran says that you should not pass derogetory remark against any religion, becoz if you do so, the other person would also do the same about ur religion.”)
Aquil’s reply: Yes, I have heard this in one of the Seminar by Dr Zakir Naik and also few times from my mother. I dont remember the exact pharse and page no, but I would definitely find out the same and revert back.
Can you cite the Surah No and etc for reference… you guys are used to referencing surahs and etc, while doing everything, so cite the surah no and all the other details, where in your Quran prohibits you doing so. Cite your quranic codes Aquil.
(Ok, for your information. During the 9/11 Attacks on WTC, I happened to be in Hyderabad for a short stint. I do not remeber the name of the area, but it had a huge mosque built up. I was strolling pass-by, in order to reach my hotel. I heard something startelling being screamed on the top of his voice… your mulla was screaming his lungs out and lauding what Osama Bin Laden did and he went up to the extent of calling Osama Bin Laden, “Hazrat Osama Bin Laden Sahab”. This shows what your religion and religious leaders preach. They preach hatred and spread hatred amongst people.)
AQUIL’S REPLY: In this you would find mixed reaction from people. Because Iraq was attacked. US army did all wrong things on the holy land of Saudi where they had their camp.
Infact there were many of friends who were hindus they were also happy by TWIN Tower attack, because they thought this will bring down the EGO of the Americans. America has done carpet bombing in Afghanistan and Iraq without any reason.100 and thousands of INNOCENT MUSLIMS DIED, children women etc.. and still you feel that Muslims should not retaliate and just sit quitely and wait for next attack.
But I agree with you that as a Maulvi, you have to be more responsible and refrain from talking this.
(One last point I want you to clarify, why has all of a sudden your goodbye’s changed? Earlier the goodbye’s of your used to be something like “Khuda Hafiz” and etc, not they have changed it to “Allah Hafiz”. Every now and then I hear the same thing, isin’t it the cruel game plan of your Mulla’s on a large scale to preach and change your behaviour towards non-muslims.)
AQUIL’S REPLY: Nothing has changed, still many of us say Khuda Hafiz. Allah Hafiz is also used. In Quran the word ALLAH is mentioned for the ALMIGHTY GOD and hence to be more specific, many people recommend using ALLAH HAFIZ. I dont find anything wrong in this to be scandalise. If you have heard some other things, kindly let me know.
Dear Aquil,
Below the belt comments are not going to be allowed. I deleted the below-the-belt comment of VINAYAK-the original-and so the reply to it was also deleted.
And all readers-kindly stick to posting comments on this subject-of the Gujarat riots. Comments not related to this topic may be deleted.
Kindly use Parliamentary language. Use of non-Parliamentary language may result in banning from posting comments.
dear admin sorry for bad language, but i was very angry coz these muslims never accpet their fault at any condition and only blame other peoples of other religion, and dear aquil as you said islam ko koi nahi mitaa sakta then you listen to me care fully if islam doesent stop voilence it very soon dissappear from the world with a very sure guarantee you muslims dont be in overconfidence, you people always say that islam teaches this and that how islam is great how great things are wriitten in quran but plz tell me do any muslim of the world follow quran and islam, you people are killing innocent people on the name of islam and allah, when it will stop, if your allah has created the world even us then why are you fighting with us in the name of allah, you dont tell always the foolish thing thing that islam teaches this and that, you only teel us what you follow from islam and quran, think on it if you are real muslim and really love allah, you people keep doing wrong things again and agian and you face problem coz of your fault you start giving stupid explanations and start blaming other, as i said you there will be no use even if you give the explanations for billions and trillions times, matter will change when you people and your vision will change, and one thing islam is not greater than humanity, if the mankind will not survive then will be noone to praise allah, quran, islam, mohhammed paigamber, so come out of your stupid mentality, be humans, you will be really welcomed by the world, jai hind…..
This is a popular subject with great data so well done on your success and interesting topic it should be discussed. Did you totally agree with the top half of this? The rest was fine and informative. Ill check back soon for any added comments, thanks.
Hey.. Vinayak… dont apologise the admin, because that is ur character and u cannot change ur basic character.
KOI NAHIN MITA SAKTA ISLAM KO….ISKI HIFAZAT ALLAH KAREGA. Yes Islam and Quran teaches all the right things and IF somebody is not following it correctly then you cannot blame the entire community and most importantLY, how can you defame Allah, Quran and Mohammed pbuh.
There are 15-20 crores muslims in India and and just one percent or 2 percent are doing which is wrong. The others are very well following Islam. You people are trying to defame Islam.
Tell me, why was BABRI MASJID DEMOLISHED. WHY WERE MUSLIMS KILLED MERCILESSLY IN GUJRAT. MORE THAN 2000 MUSLIMS KILLED…. Answer me this. THEN I WILL DEBATE WITH U FURTHER.
For the mosque destroyed in Ayodhya, as we all know Ramayanam , an epic written centuries back (11th century scripts available…so its must have happened before that…kamaba ramayanam a poet in tamil lived in 13th century had translated the whole ramayana in Tamil.) The whole scenario of ramayana starts from Ayodhya where Hindus were the only religion at that time(The muslims came into India only during the 15th century). When Babur invaded India, he destroyed the temples in Ayodhya and his general Mir Baqi build the mosque in the name Babur Masjid. so the conclusion : A place which once had a Hindu temple was destroyed and a muslim Mosque was built. now in 20th century the mosque was destroyed and the hindus want the Ram temple to be built. Its the right of the Hindus who live in their land to ask for the temple in the place they have lived for centuries.
The Bottom Line that cant be ruled out:
To all muslims – when u refer any incidents in future, just scroll a few years back and know why it all started… u will know a muslim will be the real reason for the incident to occur.
are aquil bete you are telling me to change my character first you change your character, jinke khud ke ghar shishe ke hote hai voh doosro pe patthar nahi feka karta, and this dialougue only suits for muslims like you, who dont want islamic people to change, but only deny their crimes and fault, i sai you many times that you first change then the world will change, and about islam you are reapeting the faltoo dialogue islam ko koi nahi mitaa sakta then plzzz remember it will be sooner detroyed and perish from the world if you people dont change your vision. and way of behaving, in each and evry islamic country of the world there are tens of bom blast every day, and hundreds are dyeing everyday, your great muslim brothers dont even spare mosques where you worshipp your beloved allah,so first think about your character first then point fingers towards others, and you are giving foolish statement that only few people from your community are doing the bad things, may be its true but remember all of your muslim community support those few people directly or indirectly in a hidden way so plzzzzzzzzzzz change, so the world will change, jai hind.
Vinayak bete…. I am not telling you to change, because change is for good…. and you and people like ur mentality belonging to any community do not want betterment of society. So dont want to waste my time in advising to change for people like you.
I WOULD AGAIN SAY,ISLAM KA PARCHAM HAMESHA UPAR RAHEGA.ISLAM KO KOI NAHIN MITA SAKTA. QURAN KI HIFAZAT ALLAH KAREGA. YOU CAN KILL A MUSLIMS OR THOUSANDS OR LAKHS OF MUSLIM, BUT NOT ISLAM. TOMORROW U CAN IDENTIFY MY IP ADDRESS COME WITH UR GUNDAS AND ATTACK MY HOUSE KILL ME OR MY FAMILY, BUT IT WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE YOU KILL ISLAM.
Again I am insisting, if I have a muslim name and if i am doing something wrong which is against humanity, then that doesnt mean that Islam should be defamed just becoz the person doing this is a Muslim.
As far as terrorist activities are concerned, Muslims terrorists are highlighted, what about things happening in other parts of the country? Why are they not labelled as terrorist? Just Muslims are in minority they have to take the brunt from Govt, people like you and media.
Listen, Vinayak, as far is change is concerned, yes people should and that is applicable to Muslims also. But change should not be against the teachings of Islam. And if you read Quran, this is the best guidelines where people can live in harmony on this earth.
This is a testing phase for all practising muslims and Inshallah this will go off. Because Allah tests us by giving as lot of wealth and happiness and then tests us how we behave. He also tests us by taking all and giving hardships and tests our character and behaviour. How do we behave in difficult times. So this is just a phase and inshallah things would come back to normal.
You are right in many Muslim countries things are happening, and there are many reasons and people behind this to unrest things. I am also not sure whats happening and how… but hoping Inshallah things should come back to normal. Muslims have been divided in two groups one supporting USA and others who dont want to keep any relation with them after IRAQ and Afghanistan and may be becoz of this people are targetting. But yes…its a matter of concern and I hope things should be normal in some time.. INSHALLAH.
Vinayak, what would you do, if somebody comes and captures ur house?
As far as supporting such activities are concerned, I think majority of the people are against or do not want to support this.
But the argument of those who support this is,BABRI MASJID IS DEMOLISHED AND NO ARREST HAVE BEEN DONE.
If you are talking that before BABRI MASJID THERE WAS RAM TEMPLE, then the matter was in court, archaelogical department was investigation and till now they have not found any proof and still this matter is in court, then why rathyatra etc. Let the court decide. And why suddently BJP starting this campaing in 1987 or so just to get votes of people like you and win the elections. WHY DID HINDU COMMUNITY COMDEMNED THE DEMOLISHING OF BABRI MASJID BY VOTING AGAINST BJP. WHY DID NOT HINDU COMMUNITY GAVE JUSTICE TO MUSLIMS BY VOTING AGAINST NARENDERA MODI IN GUJRAT ELECTION WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RIOTS.
Bala, wrote about the history of how Temples were erazed and mosques built. I am sure how much this is true, because Islam never permits that and people who did this cannot be labelled as true muslims.
Before Muslims invaded India, there were still fights going on in India among Indian kings for land or power. So to say that muslims invaded India to spread Islam, is again a false.
I am in a democratic country which gives rights to me to practise any religion of my chioce and also assures safe guard of my house family and my religious house. Then how can u still talk about Baber and others.
If you want to demolish all the masjids, please chance the constitution, make it a hindu state and go ahead with the killing of Muslims, Christian and demolishing all mosques and churches. But when u say its a democratic country… let the court take a decision.
I PERSONALLY DONT SUPPORT ANY SUCH ACTIVITIES, BECOZ I FEEL INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME IN DOING BOMB BLAST AND THEN SUFFEREING ENTIRE COMMUNITY, I FEEL MUSLIMS SHUD FOCUS ON STUDIES, BECOME FINANCIALLY STRONG AND ONCE U R STRONG AND POWERFUL ENOUGH PEOPLE WOULD NOT DARE TO GO AGAINST YOU.
Dear Bala,
Please refer to my posting to Vinayak.
The Bottom Line that cant be ruled out:
To all muslims – when u refer any incidents in future, just scroll a few years back and know why it all started… u will know a muslim will be the real reason for the incident to occur.
SO U MEAN TO SAY THAT ALL THE MOSQUES WHICH ARE TERMED AS BUILD AFTER DESTROYING TEMPLE SHUD BE ERASED AND TEMPLES SHUD BE BUILT….
If a person who follows Islam , destroyed a hindu temple (the person from whom the command came) the consequences has to be faced by him and his followers… when u demolish the temples why cant we do it to build our temples… Point to be noted- not all mosques are Built on Hindu temples…
The mistake is made during independence struggle. When Gandhi was struggling for a unified india, Jinna had a seperate agreement with the british for seperate state for muslims. At that time we never minded having muslilms with us. But u muslim wanted a separate state and back stabbed Hindus. but we still let u in this country by announcing as a secular state “The Biggest mistake made by India”.
To ur knowledge the number of mosque demolised in India is very fractional when compared to the Temples demolised in Pakistan.
CHECK URSELF:
If ur a aryan race or a Dravidian race then ur not a muslim.. u r just a converted may be ur parents got converted. u r ancestors where once a hindus…Islam came from middle east where people where Arab orgin.
ur physical feature belong to this land and ur relilgion is from Arab land…
Aquil, get you things sorted out first before going on posting insane stuff here.
Do you really think you know your Religion, your Quran? Sura’s Hadiths and Quran only teach voilence, crime, rapes, sodomy and everything which is wrong is halal in Islam. Islam is a religion that was created to be barborous.
Let me ask you one thing, how old is your ISLAM, 1400 years to be precise, then before that what was your Mohammed? Was he a Moslem before that too. Think about it.
If he was born a Moslem, then how did your Islam come into existence and how did he become a Moslem, even before it was established? If he established the cult sect of ISLAM after he was born, then to which religion did he belong to, when he was born?
You would not have answer for this as your Evil Devil Maulvi’s never ventured deep into these points. They just preached what your Mohammed wrote in his book and hadiths during his period of enjoyment.
What baseless religion is Islam which allows a person to get married to his own brothers daughter, just because he is attracted to her. A Moslem can marry a child even if she is 6 years old (your very own wife of Mohammed, Aisha)
Islam again a religion, which allows a person to practise legal prostitution, get married for a night under Mu’ta. Have fun whole night and next day morning, legal divorce isin’t required. You just have sex the whole night and walk off next day morning. You do all this by paying Me’her.
A Moslem is allowed to have 4 legal wifes and unlimited Concubines (Sex Slaves to be precise). Mohammed had 9 wives and unlimited sex slaves. Just to satisfy his hunger for more and more, he gave our his hadiths stating that a Moslem Man can have 4 wives and unlimited sex slaves. No worries, Allah will love the Moslem Man, who would have 4 wives and has unlimited Mu’Ta Weddings.
Islam says “Kill The Kafirs, Allah will take you directly to heaven on the Judgement Day”, now does this speak about peace as you mentioned. This clearly states Barborous Tactics of Mohammed, who in the name of Allah, passed on his own personal messages. Mohammed was a hedious criminal, which criminal intentions, which just lead to voilence, destruction, deaths. Had he been a true Prophet as you claim, he would have preached non-voilence not voilence.
This is what Islam is and this is what is preached to you. Being barborous.
I know Aquil, that you would not agree to what I said about concubines, so I googled something for you. This is directly from your very own Hadiths/Sura’s and etc. However, Many Islamists often object vehemently when we mention that Muhammad had concubines besides his regular wives. They will often give convoluted logic to demonstrate that the Prophet of Islam never had concubines. Here is what Ibn Ishak writes about Maria:
Ibn Hisham’s note 129
Ibrahim’s mother was Mariya the Copt. Abdullah b. Wahb from I Lahia told me that Mariya was the prophet’s concubine. The Muuqauqis presented her to him from Hafn in the province of Ansina. (Ibid, page 711)
akeel bete you only want to defend mistakes of muslims and islam, you really dont want muslims and islam to change.. so you are again and again giving foolish explanations but its of no use, untill you people wont change the worlds vision will not change towards you, and again you said islam ko koi nahi mitaa sakta, then you are again wrong bete…. it will sooner perish from the world if you wont change, and as you said abt gundaas there are much more gundaas in your muslim community than hindus, seven out of ten criminals, rapist , theifs, murderers, etc etc are muslims even though your community is minority, what would be the percentage if your community would be a majority…. may your great allah give good brains……….jai hind.
Vinayak, let me throw some light on the issue you have raised. 7/10 criminals are moslems and that is a fact. It is halal for them to be criminals, thieves, rapists and murderers. What do you think their religion Islam and their Holy Book Quran preaches, it preaches hatred, cruelty and barbarism.
There are many hadiths with refernce to their own sura’s, which speak volumes about how cruelly good their Prophet was and how he used or rather say mis-used the name of Allah to pass on his own doctrines. Jihad during Ramadan time is not new, it was prevalent during mohammed’s time too. I will not detest citing the sura’s or hadhits from where this was taken.
Read This:
The pre-Islamic Arabs, whom Islam has relegated to the barbarian age of Jahiliyah [ignorance], deemed certain months of the year sacred and they scrupulously abstained from violence during those months. It is Muhammad, with sanctions from Allah, repudiated this well-evolved civilized Arab tradition of nonviolence. Not only that, Prophet Muhammad chose the sacred months for waging his violent holy wars against the infidels of Arabia—a tradition perpetuated by Muslims to the present day. And rightly so! The Prophet’s actions, Muslims believe, constitute the standard for all times.
As Jihad or holy war was sanctioned by Allah [Quran 2:190-194,216] after Prophet Muhammad’s emigration to Medina, the Prophet directed the first successful Jihad at Nakhla plundering a caravan of his Meccan opponents, killing an attendant and taking two captives. It was the sacred month of Rajab, when Muslims observe the lesser pilgrimage, Omra to the Ka’ba–a pre-Islamic Pagan ritual. This violation of the sacred tradition was condemned by the horrified Arabs, including many of Muhammad’s followers. The Islamic deity Allah came down with a revelation [Quran 2:217], giving this horrifying sacred month violence a divine blessing.
Moslems are so called peace loving people on earth and Islam a peace loving religion, this is their misconception and they will never ever grow out of it. Because their Mulla’s have never ever taught them or rather explained then all Jihadi’s that neither their Allah nor their Mohammad loved peace nad Harmony. This can be seen in their Quran, which preaches hatred, cruelty, barbarism, muderous attitude, rapist, child sodomy and what not.
Dear JSR……… first of all I would to tell, that you are not a common or normal Hindu. You are having some political interests or hired by the people who want to just proved them they are right. You are someone who dont have any other work then just spread the misconception. The way you have written about my religion, its shame on you, because you dont have any knowledge and u r spreading wrong things. I can also give u and ur religion bad words but Islam doesnt teaches me that.
So i dont want to answer your rubbish comments. What ever you have mentioned is rubbish and wrong. Islam teachings are very straight forward and what ever mentioned in Quran is some reference.
May Allah give you some sense to understand what is wrong or right.
YES ISLAM IS THE YOUNGEST AND FASTEST GROWING NATION… AND IT WILL CONTINUE GROWING AT MUCH FASTER RATE. MAY ALLAH MAKE ALL MUSLIMS TRUE MUSLIMS. AMEEN.
Yes you are right that many muslims are in jail. If you just take one example of Bomb blasts, so many arrests have been made and if you see since months the people who are RAPING NUNS, BURNING CHURCHES ARE ROAMING FREELY.PEOPLE WHO DEMOLISHED BABRI MASJID ARE ROAMING FREELY…..if any muslim would have done that, he would have been in jail till today.
SAUDI HAS ISLAMIC LAW AND THE CRIME IS LOWEST IN THAT COUNTRY. CURRENTLY INDIA HAS BEEN LABELLED AS MORE CORRUPT NATION, SO I THINK IN ADDITION TO MUSLIMS, HINDUS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE ALSO ADDING TO IT, SO DONT PAT UR BACK… NO RELIGION TEACHES CRIME, BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU TEACH HATRED AND THERE BY DEFAME RELIGION.
vINAYAK………….
ARRE TERE JAISE KYA ISLAM KO MITAINGE…………INSHALLAH ALLAH WILL TAKE CARE OF HIS BOOK AND HIS PEOPLE.
Aquil,
First thing first, you did not reply to my questions, which I have posted in my previous replies. For your reference check post No. 169. The questions are clearly mentioned in the first two or three para’s. For quick refernce, I asked you about the religion your Mohammed belonged to. I know you do not have a reply for it and hence you do avoid it. But just try to ponder over it a bit. You might find an answer there or better ask your Mulla’s once.
Let me make one thing clear, neither am I a Stupid Moslem to support a political group with some political interest nor am I paid by people to prove them right nor am I misinformed. I know pretty well what your Religion of Hate and Crime preaches and what it has as its base.
Highlighting an important point of your religion based bias and what type of people you are. A very important factor which is making it almost impossible for Hindu-Muslim unity to become an accomplished fact is that the Muslim can not confine their patriotism to any one country. I had frankly asked the Muslims whether in the event of any Mohammedan power invading India, would they (Muslims) stand side by side with their Hindu neighbors to defend their common land or join the invaders. I was not satisfied with the reply I have obtained from them….. Even such a man as Mr. Mohammed Ali (one of the famous Ali brothers, the leaders of the Khilafat Movement) has declared that under no circumstances is it permissible for any Mohammedan, whatever be his country, to stand against any Mohammedan. It is haram to stand against any Mohammedan.
You Moslems speak about unity and peace, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, when I think about this thing. You people have never ever accepted India as your country. You are still the same old Criminal Minded People like Mohammed, who wanted to kill other people just in order to expand his ill gotten wealth. He killed many innocent people, who used to be on their way to piligrimages.
Aquil, if you know the history, you would have read that Mekkah was a place where Pagan’s like Jews and etc used to worship their Gods. Mohammed also mentioned that Jews were Pagans and they prayed to Idols. They were Idolaters. They used to worship their Idols in Mekkah. Your Mohammed clearly proclaimed that he invaded Mekkah and plundered it and looted it and took it over to establish it as center of your religion ISLAM. If Mohammed invaded Mekkah and changed it from a Pagan’s place of worship to your place of worship, does it mean that Mekkah had Idol’s inside it, which your Mohammed demolished and destroyed. So, it means that Mohammed had nothing to with it and he just captured it and turned it into your holy place. This agian proves that when Mohammed can do it, then why can’t Babar do it and establish Babri Masjid in place of Ram Janambhoomi.
Ask your Highly educated person, who knows the book of Quran by heart, the Mulla’s at your School of terrorist activities Madarsa-E-SumShit about it once. Ask them, ain’t it true that your Mohammed did this in order to establish your religion there.
Who said Saudi has the lowest crime rate, have you anytime analyzed the whole thing. Why do you think Saudi has the lowest crime rate, because your people have already established Sha’ria rule there. Wahabissm is the religion there, and Wahabism means Cruelsest Form of Moslems. Wahhabism is the cruel form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. It is often referred to as a “sect” of Islam, which instills the faith to the extremes into the hearts of its followers, that they do not detest involving in criminal activities like Jihad, Wars, Illegal Trade and etc. These all illegal things become Halal once a person becomes a Wahabi and performs his duties of a Jihadi.
Blasphemy Law is integral part of Wahhabite brand of Islam, which propagates its divinely driven Sharia Law.
Your very own Mohammed proclaimed that “Rest Not Untill, you have finished of all the Kafirs and take away their booty. 1/5th of the share shall be mine and the rest shared amongst others.” The booty mostly was referred to the female population, that was taken into captive and was shared amongst Mohammed and the other people. This was the Jihadi nature of your Mohammed.
Winwoods Reade once said; “A sincerely religious man is often an exceedingly bad man” This fact applies to no one more than to Muslims. Here is the proof: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.” (Quran47.4).
See how your religion and holy book and its followers care a damn about human rights. This also shows how cruel your wahabism is, how cruel your shariat laws are.
Saudi police ‘stopped’ fire rescue, Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia’s religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers. About 800 girls were inside the school in the holy city of Mecca when the tragedy occurred. One witness said he saw three policemen “beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing abhaya and veil. A large number of girls were burnt alive while their relatives watched helplessly from outside.
(Those guards will surely get a confirmed place in your Allah’s Made Up Jannat [paradise] for steadfastly upholding your Allah’s laws)
Omar M. Ahmad, founder of CAIR proclaims: “Islam isn’t in World to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in the World, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth,”
This clearly shows how ill-informed he is and how cruel his intentions are. What can he do, he is a slave of your Allah, Mohammed and your book of Terrors Quran. He reads it everyday to plan out another attack on other religions and so do you guys do.
Another ill informed follower of religion of crime:
A muslim must act in the best interest of islam and listen to his leader/Imam. If leader/Imam says killing your,mother serves islam you must kill her without any hesitation. That is what quran and Mohammed taught and that is what true muslims are doing daily by killing bad muslims in Darul Islam and kuffar in Darul Harb at the expense of their own lives. Farooq Dar is one such Kashmiri true muslim who killed over 20 kuffar and bad muslims before getting caught. He is very excited and is looking forward to his shahadat by hanging, the day he will achieve paradise as promised by Allah (9.111)
These statements clearly show the true spirit of ISLAM.
Aquil mentions “SO U MEAN TO SAY THAT ALL THE MOSQUES WHICH ARE TERMED AS BUILD AFTER DESTROYING TEMPLE SHUD BE ERASED AND TEMPLES SHUD BE BUILT…”
With this statement, you do summarize that most of your mosque’s are nothing but structures built after demolishing the temple. Babri Masjid is an example of it, when you demolished our temple and built your Masjid out of force and cruelty, our people could not defend the cruel ISLAMICS. Now, when we take back what belongs to us, you have a problem with it. You Moslems are nothing but parasites, which suckle on the blood of other people in order to expand your own religion. Your tyranny can be seen for last 1400 years, since the time Mohammmed took the script writing work in his own hands and started writing quran as he wanted it to be, he just referenced Allah in order to make you people belive that what ever your Mohammed did was told by Allah. If Allah has recited those quotes, then he is even more cruel than your Mohammed. Allah might have been cussing and cursing your Mohammed ‘cos he never got the things right. Allah might have asked Mohammed to get that Girl Aisha and your Mohammed might have taken it as Get that girl means Marry that girl at any cost. This is the absurdity of your religion.
As mentioned earlier about the brief history of Mekkah and how it was plundered, looted, demolised and etc just to establish a center for your religion, in the same way Babar did it. He was following the footsteps of his unholy Mohammed, who did the same. Moslems are no different from one another. This agian proves that when Mohammed can do it, then why can’t Babar do it and establish Babri Masjid in place of Ram Janambhoomi.
Aquil mentions “YES ISLAM IS THE YOUNGEST AND FASTEST GROWING NATION… AND IT WILL CONTINUE GROWING AT MUCH FASTER RATE. MAY ALLAH MAKE ALL MUSLIMS TRUE MUSLIMS. AMEEN.”
Who in this world calls a religion as a Nation other than a Moslem. You think that ISLAM is a Country and then I am sure you would say that your capital is Mekkah. You guys would say that as per this Sura, this nath, this hadith, Allah sent Jibrael to Mohammed to pass on the holy message that The World should be renamed as Islam and its capital Mekkah. Your Allah and Mohammed have scripted a book, which only speaks volumes and volumes about terror, killing, hate, crime, rape, misdemeanor, Jihad, Brutality, Legal Prostitution called Mu’Ta, Plundering, Looting, Invading, Capturing and what not. You speak about any wrong deed, it is shown as Halal in Quran. It comes as a no surprise, when I see your guys doing all the wrong things, because you are taught to do it that way. Your Quran preaches you to be worse than Cruel. Your Quran teaches you to be the cruelest being on this earth. Your Quran preaches you to kill other people, just in order to establish your Shari’at rule.
Aquil mentions “ARRE TERE JAISE KYA ISLAM KO MITAINGE…………INSHALLAH ALLAH WILL TAKE CARE OF HIS BOOK AND HIS PEOPLE.”
Allah cannot and will not take care of his book, because Allah never wrote that book, it was a book of liesure and pleasure that was scripted by Mohammed, who wanted to have all the wordly pleasures. In order to make these worldly pleasures halal as per his wish, he used the name of Allah to script a sura. Each sura becomes a mockery on Humanitarian Grounds. How on hell would a person write a book, which preaches wrong deeds. Why in the name of god do you people commit all the heinous crimes and still try to get away with it by stating the Magical word, which your Mohammed has taught you “JIHAD”. You Moslems might be foolish enough to take it for granted that JIHAD is halal. It might be halal for you. You are misinformed by your Mulla’s that a JIHADI direcly goes to Jannat to consummate with 72 Fresh Houris, who eagerly await your arrival and Allah will give you the strenght of 100 people once you reach there. These things do make you dream about the 72 Houris that you are going to relish once you reach the Jannat.
All the best Moslems, you are again proving what your Quran mentions and speaks about sex and rapes and crimes in volumes.
I truly agree with ‘Jai Shri Ram ‘ it make me feel as if shree Ram is Saying these words
Aquil, I know you would not accept me saying that “Your Mohammed clearly proclaimed that he invaded Mekkah and plundered it and looted it and took it over to establish it as center of your religion ISLAM”
I have taken this from your own very source of information of ISLAM. You very own Islamic Website, which supports some Madarsa-E-SumShits in India. I have to cite your Sura’s and Hadiths and etc, to show you the real face of ISLAM.
“Invitation first (that is, call them first to embrace Islam). If they refuse, then war.”
In other words, Muhammed told his followers not to kill anybody unless you first invite him to embrace Islam. Only if he rejects it, must he be killed.
This is evident in the story of Abu Sufyan:
When Muhammed and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca’s inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammed.
Muhammed told him: “Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?”
Abu Sufyan answered: “I do believe that.”
Muhammed then said to him: “Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to know that I am the apostle of God?”
Abu Sufyan answered: “By God, O Muhammed, of this there is doubt in my soul.”
The ’Abbas who was present with Muhammed told Abu Sufyan: “Woe to you! Accept Islam and testify that Muhammed is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword.” Thus he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim.
There are many sources which record this story:
° Ibn Hisham, part 4, p. 11 (“Biography of the Prophet’)
° “The Chronicle of the Tabari”, part 2, p. 157
° Ibn Kathir, “The Prophetic Biography”, part 3, p. 549, and “The Beginning and the End”
° Ibn Khaldun, the rest of part 2, p. 43 and on
° Al-Sira al-Halabiyya, Vol. 3. p. 18
° Al Road Al Anf, part 4, p. 90, by Al Sohaily
Dear JSR,
First of all, I want mention again, you are from shit political party or someone who is paid for carrying out defaming ISLAM and Muslim. The way you are taking about Mohammed pbuh, shows your character and respect for other religion. I could have give u pretty well reply with all sort of shits but by doing so, I will also have to take the names of the your god/goddess and ISLAM prohibits me from talking bad about any other religion.
Makkah was built by Ibrahim pbuh as is termed as Allah’s house. Mohammed pbuh, is a prophet of Allah, who came to preech ISLAM and the other prophets before him also had come to preech about one God and to refrain from IDOL worship. People before Mohammed became prophet and Quran was revealed, were wrongly indulging in idol worship and other practises. He started preeching ISLAM and those who did not liked this had war with him, he lost some of the wars and won some.
YES ISLAM TEACHES US, IF SOMEBODY TALKS AGAINST YOUR PROPHET AND RELIGION THEN U CAN TAKE ACTION AGAINST HIM, AND WHY NOT…SHUD WE TAKE.
LISTEN ONE THING, JSR, THE COUNTRIES ARE MADE BY MAN, BUT RELIGIONS ARE MADE BY GODS. AND BLOODY HOW CAN U SAY THAT INDIA IS ONLY URS. IT VERY MUCH BELONGS TO MUSLIMS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIFES DURING THE FREEDOM STRUGGLE.
JSR…. I INVITE YOU OR UR REPRESENTATIVE, THAT WHATEVER U HAVE MENTIONED HERE AGAINST ISLAM AND ITS TEACHINGS TO HAVE PUBLIC DEBATE IN FRONT OF CAMERA AND THE AUDIENCE.
I WILL HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SIDE, AND HE WOULD ANSWER YOU ALL THE QUERIES….
AS FAR AS MASJIDS ARE CONCERENED, IF IT WUD HAVE TRUE THAT ALL MOSQUES ARE BUILD ON MANDIR THEN THE MUSLIMS RULED FOR 100 OF YRS…THEY WUD HAVE FINISHED ALL THE MOSQUES AND TODAY ALSO WE SEE VERY ANCEIENT MANDIR IN INDIA.
SO YOUR THEORY OF ERASING MANDIR IS FICTITIOUS……….. AND BASELESS AND AGAINST THE UNITY OF INDIAN.
IF YOU SEE THE MODERATOR OF THIS SITE, IS SO BIASED THAT, HE SAW SO MANY WRONG WORDS AGAINST ISLAM AND MOHAMMED PBUH AND HE NEVER WARNED YOU ABOUT THIS AND DID NOT TOLD YOU THAT THIS IS NOT THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION HERE, BECAUSE THE VERY PURPOSE TO THIS SITE TO HAVE HATRED AMONG THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
ONCE AGAINST I WILL LET YOU KNOW, YOU ARE PIECE OF SHIT AND WHO IS HERE AND PAID FOR THIS JOB, BECAUSE AS A COMMON MAN, ONE DOES NOT GET ENOUGH TIME TO FINISH THE OFFICE WORK AND THEN TO WRITE SUCH BIG EMAILS AND KEEP ON SURFING.
ISLAM IS PEACE LOVING NATURE AND ANY ONE MUSLIM WHO IS TRYING TO DISRUTP THE HARMONY SHUD BE CONDEMN AND CRITICISED.
GO AND FIND OUT YOUR FIGURES, SAUDI HAS LOWEST CRIME RATE… TODAY ONE OF OUR PROFESSOR DR DASGUPTA ALSO MENTIONED THAT WHY IN INDIA THEY DONT ALLOW TO TAKE UR BAGS IN THE MALL, WHEREAS IN DUBAI THEY ALLOW TO TAKE UR BAGS, BECOZ IN DUBAI THEY KNOW, THAT IF THEY STEAL THERE IS PUNISHMENT FOR THEM.
ONCE AGAIN, THE WAY U WROTE AGAINST MOHAMMED PBUH BOILED MY BLOOD, BUT THEN I THINK U PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR THE SAME OBJECTIVE AND BEEN I TRUE MUSLIM, INNALLAH MAAS SABIREEN. ALLAH SABAR KARNE WALON KE SAATH HAI.
IF YOU ARE READY FOR A PUBLIC DEBATE IN FRONT OF VIDEO CAMERA, AND AUDINCE…DO LET ME KNOW.
ONE THING…I WANT TO ASK………WHY DID ARJUN AND PANDVAS KILL THEIR RELATIVES……….
thank you jai shree ram for giving me additional knolwledge of great islamic culture…….your explanations are very very perfect about islam and muslims,
your arguement is also very perfect, but this stupid aqueel is not taking the things in his brain…is again and again defending islam and muslims in a very stupid way, and is giving very foolish explanations……he has tied a black cloth on his eyes like all other muslims, so i think there will be no use o show him and his islam and his great muslim brother, they really believe that there is really a creature named allah, and he will give them jannat on killing kafirs and spreading islam, they are trillion percent confirm about that, so there is really no use to show them a path of humanity, coz they only know voilence, desrtroying other religiond and world too, and again the same shit thing that is their very very great explanations…may allah show them path of reality, jai hind, jai shree ram…….
Aquil said “BECAUSE AS A COMMON MAN, ONE DOES NOT GET ENOUGH TIME TO FINISH THE OFFICE WORK AND THEN TO WRITE SUCH BIG EMAILS AND KEEP ON SURFING.”
You might be wondering, how do I find time to cite so many references and give you big replies. You are stunned at this small volume of textual content. How stunned you would be if you read what your counterparts, Jihadi Moslems of Indian Mujahideen have written. Each mail of theirs is no lesser than 14 pages with quotes from your book of terror and rape, the Quran. They do cite all the terrorizing messages which your lord of terror Allah has passed on to his Apostle of Terror Mohammed. Compared to Jihadi Moslems, I have written very least here. Moreover, I am not writing junk here, what ever I am writing is similar to what your Jihadi Cousins are writing in IM Mails. They are citing quotes from Quran to justify their bastardly and dastardly act. I am citing quotes from your Quran to educate you about what is written in Quran and how your Apostle of Terror Mohammed wrote it, he wanted to give it a personal touch by inducing cruelty, torture and rapes in it and he did it.
Aquil said “I will also have to take the names of the your god/goddess and ISLAM prohibits me from talking bad about any other religion.”
This shows how unehtical you people are. This shows how your mulla’s have taught you not to take the names of other religions gods as it is haram as per Islam. Do you think taking the name of Lord Shri Ram would desolate you from your religion and you would not be a true muslim anymore and you would not get that opportunity to get a place in your so called Jannat. You people do not love taking the name of other religious gods, you people do not read the national anthem. But you people do one thing for sure, Wage Jihad just to attain a place in Jannat. How in the name of god do you people justify killing people.
Aquil, I would like to pose a small question, is Allah-Hu-Akbar a call of your god or its it a Call for War? Also, justify your answer, by blindly typing in ALL CAPS doesnot mean that your points are taken for granted. Do try to provide a substantial evidence. Do refer to some Sura’s/Hadithis or Quranic Verses and prove that Allah-Hu-Akbar is not a call of War. Why does it always happen that when ever you Moslems and your fraternity indulges in War/Criminal Activities, they shout out Allah-Hu-Akbar loud and then continue with their job of looting/killing/plundering and etc.
You seek the support of your Holy Book and it is not we, who try to demoralize your holy book, but it is people of your own fraternity, who do it. It is people of your own religion, who cite verses from Quran to carry on your evil plans. I know, your blood would have boiled beyond the boiling point by now, but do remember that what ever has been mentioned here has been taken from your holy book and its counterparts itself. Nothing is my own. I have not come up with stories to put here. It refers directly to your own book, so first and foremost, learn to know the basics of what your book consists of and then come on to a common platform to discuss these things.
Religion of Peace and Book and Peace preach the following: “When the sacred months [Ramadan] are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them; besiege them; and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent [convert to Islam] and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way.” (Sura 9:5)
If all you moslems begins to take these verses literally and seriously, as all good Muslims are supposed to do – since they are taught that every verse is directly handed down from Allah, then it is easy to see how they could incite violent behavior toward “nonbelievers.”
Akbar was the slaughterer of Hindus. Jahangir, in his autobiography “Tarikh-i-Salim Shahi” wrote that under Akbar and Jahangir “five to six hundred thousand (over half a million) Hindus were killed.” (Tarikh-i-Salim: Translated By Price, pp. 225-6). In Akbar’s military conquest of Chittor in the State of Rajasthan, Abul Fazl recorded that “on Akbar’s orders, eight thousand Rajput warriors were first disarmed and then slain; along with them forty thousand peasants also were slain.” (The Islamic treatment of PoW, Surah 8, Ayat 67, the Quran) (Akbarnama by Abul Fazl translated into English by H. Beveridge)
Hindus in India and the Indian subcontinent have witnessed an unprecedented continued chain of barbarism by Muslims in the last 1400 years. In 712 A.D., the then Governor of Iraq sitting two thousand miles away from the Indian capital Delhi, ordered the Iraqi Muslim ruler in India to bring about the destruction on unbeliever Hindus (unbeliever: the Hindus that do not believe in Islam) if they did not accept Islam. The historical chronicles tell us that in the merciless slaughter that ensued, 26,000 Hindu men were murdered and 20,000 young Hindu girls were enslaved and dispatched to Khalifa in Baghdad. v
Where ever in India or the world, Muslim minorities are in large numbers. They cannot live in peace with majority commnunity. They are violent, hateful, intolerant, indulge in arson, rioting, destruction, killing, following the glorious example of their prophet – Mohamad.
Aquil said “MUSLIMS RULED FOR 100 OF YRS…THEY WUD HAVE FINISHED ALL THE MOSQUES AND TODAY ALSO WE SEE VERY ANCEIENT MANDIR IN INDIA.”
• The Nalanda University burnt down by the Muslim general Bakhtiyar Khilji in the year 1194 C.E, three hundred years before the destruction of the Ram Temple at Ayodhya. It was this university that was the cradle of ancient Hindu mathematics, astronomy, linguistics, philosophy and theology.
• The Kutub Minar built by Kutub-ud-din Aibak is one of the earliest Islamic monuments in India. This Minar was built from the columns of destroyed Hindu and Jain temples. It stands at the site of Pithoragarh which was the capital of Prithiviraj Chauhan, the last Hindu ruler of Delhi. The damaged motifs on Kutub Minar show clearly its Hindu origins – a testimony to the vandalism of the Muslim aggressors.
• There are many such temples which had been converted into mosques like the Bhoja Shala Mosque, the Gyan Vyapi Mosque, the Krishna Janmabhoomi Idgah, apart from the now liberated Ram Janmabhoomi at Ayodhya (on whose foundation the Babri Masjid was erected).
• The total of such temples that were converted into Mosques during the eleven centuries of Muslim Occupation of various parts of India, runs to 3000 (Three Thousand).
Aquil said “People before Mohammed became prophet and Quran was revealed”
If Quran was revealed much before Mohammed took over the reins of propogating your religion, then how come it is said that Mohammed was the one, to whom Quran was revealed to and he was the one who scripted the book. Your Allah used to send down his messenger Angel Gibrael to pass on his messages to Mohammed, who in turn used to write them down and document them in a book called as Quran. This is what shows that your religion, your religious books, followers and Mohammed, Allah were contradicting each and every statement of theirs. This is also evidently visible from many references, which clearly state the amount of disparity and contradictions one can see in Quran.
A Major Contradiction in Quran, Allah dislikes any kind deformation of his creation. In the pre-Islamic days, Arabs used to slit the ears of their cattle and Allah has rebuked them and threatened them with severe punishments for tampering with his creation by revealing the verse (4: 119) of the holy Koran. It is therefore really amazing how Allah is tolerating the deformation of his dearest believers who are tampering them through circumcision?
Furthermore, I am citing a very simple contradiction, this is a Self-contradictory Quranic Verse.
Which one is correct:
• There is no Compulsion in religion…. [Quran-2:256]
OR
• Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility. [Quran-9:29]
• Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush…. [Quran-9:5]
• When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads…. [Quran-47:4]
• And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith. [Quran-2:191]
• O Apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight…(against) unbelievers. [Quran-8: 65]
Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet, punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty.
How come it contradicts its own statements, this does show that either Allah or Mohammed might have forgot what they revealed earlier and then came up with a new statement, which contradicted the previous statement.
List of things, Moslems insits on
• Insist that Islam is a “religion of peace”, while at the same time, brag about the great military victories of Muhammad, Abu Bakr, Umar, Khalid bin Al-Waheed and Saladin.
• Insist that the laws in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan are unIslamic while trying to get them implemented in the west, India and other kafir societies.
• Insist that Jihad has nothing to do with violence. It’s simply struggling with pen, tongue etc. at the same time looking for atomic bomb to use in Kafir countries.
• Insist that most of the scientific inventions were foretold in Quran but no one ever invented anything out of Quran.
• Insist that Muslims should enjoy all human rights and make infinite number of mosques in western countries but ban Kafirs from Mecca and Medina. Preaching of any other religion is not allowed in any Islamic country.
• Insist in demanding for more rights and perks from kafirs in kafir countries via freedom of religion, while condoning the killing of the kafirs in Islamic countries and preventing them from following their religion.
• Insist that Qur’an cannot be translated into any other tongue except Arabic, the language of God, when those who say this themselves do not know how to speak Arabic”
• Insist that kissing a black stone, walking several times around the kaba, throwing stones at a pillar and using prayer-beads has nothing to do with superstition.
Aquil said “JSR…. I INVITE YOU OR UR REPRESENTATIVE, THAT WHATEVER U HAVE MENTIONED HERE AGAINST ISLAM AND ITS TEACHINGS TO HAVE PUBLIC DEBATE IN FRONT OF CAMERA AND THE AUDIENCE.”
How good your intentions are, get people at a single place and then carry out your evil plans of Jihad by killing many people at a go, so that your Allah can book your seat in Jannat, so that you can enjoy with your 72 Houris and 28 Hommies. Lets take this challenge Aquil. Let me take a wild guess, your representative or prophet of Debate would be Zakir Naik for sure.
Vinayak and JSR,
Its not true that I am telling there are no issues with Muslims and behaviour of some of them. Been educated and responsible person of the society its our duty to give a better world to our children and in this world of globilisation, everyone will have to work with different countries, religions and communities, and one who restricts himself or herself would not grow.
If you write any shit and want me to agree with you, then sorry…. I will not. Again I would like to say, that dont see muslims, but try to look Islam and Quran for the religion. Again in Quran, don’t just take a sentence and give example, instead see to the reference.
If any one says that killing non muslims would take you to jannat… this is absolutely true and if any muslims preaches this, then he shud be behead in public for defaming the teachings of Islam.
As I mentioned earlier, I am not that learned and cannot remember everything becoz been busy at work, its difficult finding time to reply each and every wrong things what JSR has mentioned.
That is why I am inviting JSR with all his remarks and I would have my representative who knows Quran,Bible, Vedas,Mahabharata,Bhagwadgita, Ramayana in detail and quote you each and every sentence and page number from all these books.
So just googling and finding something out of context and defaming Islam and Mohmmed pbuh, is not appreciated.
Dear condemn the people who are killing and raping nuns. Condemn the people who have burnt six people alive on saturday.
WE AS MUSLIMS NEVER ENCOURAGE OR WOULD SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO DOES BOMB BLAST IN TRAINS OR MALLS KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. ISLAM SAYS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL A PERSON WHO HAS KILLED UR RELATIVES, BUT IF YOU FORGIVE HIM, THAT IS MORE DEAR TO ALLAH.
ALSO IF SOMEONE HAS DONE SOMETHING TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, YOU SHUD TAKE REVENGE WITH HIM ONLY AND NOT WITH HIS BROTHERS OR ANY OTHER RELATIVE.
ALSO ISLAM CONDEMNS SUICIDE AND HENCE THESE SUICIDE BOMBERS ARE AGAIN CONDEMNED.
BUT AT THE SAME, MAY I MAKE IT CLEAR, IF SOMETHING IS TALK WRONG ABOUT PROPHET OR QURAN OR ALLAH OR ISLAM, THEN WE NEED TO DEFEND THAT…
SO LET ME KNOW JSR WHICH AUDITORIUM, MEDIA PEOPLE YOU WANT TO CALL, FOR THAT DEBATE. LET ME KNOW THE DETAILS SO THAT I CAN ALSO CONFIRM WITH MY REPRESENTATIVE.
If you would have seen me , till now i have not spoken anything against any religion, not becoz I am afraid by you SHIT and CHEAP people, but I need to respect my friends, who wish me during EID and I wish them in Dassera Diwali and other festival. And most importantly ISLAM refrains me from using derogatory words for any religion.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN CAN HAVE THAT DEBATE….
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As you have proposed me about Debate thing, you tell me where you wish to see me or my representative come down personally and educate you about your religion.
Aquil, what you said happens to be true “WE AS MUSLIMS NEVER ENCOURAGE OR WOULD SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO DOES BOMB BLAST IN TRAINS OR MALLS KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE.”
Then I think you need to know more about what your Jihadi cousins did and what your Mulla’s did. The jihadis have openly challenged the pure Islamic theologians to deny that the position it takes against the Hindus is not the position of pure Islam. No Islamic theological school, not a single mullah or maulvi has shown the guts to tell the jihadis that non-believers in Quran do not mean non- Muslims. The Islamist scholars have kept deafening silence. The jihadis have thus effectively shut the Islamists’ mouth by quotes from the holy Quran.
One correction… UNTRUE
If any one says that killing non muslims would take you to jannat… this is absolutely ***true and if any muslims preaches this, then he shud be behead in public for defaming the teachings of Islam.
JSR… you are talking about 1% of people and there are bad apples in every community. I will let you know for the debate, inshallah… your falsehood will be brought in front of the world…
Just see what your people have giving India…. shame… the pope yesterday condemned India for that.
The father of Bajrang Dal person who died while making bomb instead of condeming said on TV yesterday that he did for HINDUVTA….. and u all will appreciate that.
SO YOU HAVE TWO STANDARDS.
Aquil, get your facts right before you put something here… in one post you say that If any one says that killing non muslims would take you to jannat… this is absolutely true. In the other one, you oppose it and say correction and untrue. Now what do you tend say?
JSR VINAYAK…
ANSWER ME THIS…
ONE THING…I WANT TO ASK………WHY DID ARJUN AND PANDVAS KILL THEIR RELATIVES……….
JSR….. ITS NOT ABOUT FACT….IT WAS AN ERROR ON MY PART HENCE I POSTED THE WRITE WORD… YOU ARE PAID TO DO THIS….
We all know Aquil, who has double standard . I can easily make out from the calmness in my posts and the voilent posts of yours. Typing in ALL CAPS does show how frustated you are. i have nothing to worry because I am on the righteous path. You seem to be more worried about it and that is the reason, why you are showing your apathy by trying to type it out LOUD. Your launguage shows how frustated you are right now. Nothing to worry about Aquil, you people have this habit of getting frustated at a drop of a hat and there is nothing new about it. The most intolerant people of all.
You talk about moronic behaviour, then you prove how moronic a moslem is. How good are you at being dumb morons. Again I say, there is nothing new about it. The main reason, why I call you dumb morons is, you people blindly follow what your mulla’s tell you and never ever dare to question back, why is this so.
Ok, now coming back to my point, I am not paid by some political group or fundamentalist group like how you people are paid to carry on the terror and conversion thing.
Aquil said “People before Mohammed became prophet and Quran was revealed”
Quran was revieled to Prophet mohammed,… I mean to say that People before mohammed pbuh were not practising what allah wanted hence allah sent the last prophet mohammed and HIS message in the form of QURAN through mohammed to preach people.
yes JSR… I am frustrated by your post… but I maintain my character, instead of talking bad about your religion or god or goddess, i am talking to you. The way you are trying to defame and use dirty words for Allah and our beloved prophet pbuh…
.. you dont have mind to understand… that is why I feel you are a paid person who been hired to write rubbish here.
WHEN I SAY THAT I DONT WANT TO NAME YOUR GOD OR GODDESS AND DEFAME THEM, TAT DOESNT MEAN TAT I CANNOT TAKE THERE NAME OR ISLAM PROHIBIT ME FROM DOING SO….
so I think you are more frustrated. But in a way it is good…people like you make us more strong in the believe of our religion.
As far as KINGs are concerened I am not here to defend them, becoz all KINGs had one goal to be powerful and If muslims would have not come to India, the hindu kings would have killed each other for power….ALSO THE HISTORY IS TAINTED…THERE WERE PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN ALL ERAS AND THERE WOULD BE IN FUTURE ALSO… so your postings dont bother me… becoz if I have to give example of muslim I would never give example of Baber or Akbar.
I know wat ISLAM preaches and what the Quran says. WITH ONE LINE…. THAT IF U KILL ANY INNOCENT THAT MEANS U HAVE KILLED THE ENTIRE HUMANITY” SPEAKS VOLUME ABOUT THE GREATNESS OF OUR QURAN.
So dear dont worry about my frustration, see yours….and see after some years how more frustrated you will be…. hope you live long life to see the advancement of ISLAM …
enjoying getting frustrated and writing rubbish…..
What a beautifull way of telling people that your conversion thing will never cease. You people are always eager to make people take up your religion and you do love to do it by force. You say you are not frustated but your language does show how good you are, how good you are at being frustated. You people get frustated when your Shari’at does not get established. You are trying your level best to make India as an Islamic Country, which I do not see happening. One more thing Aquil, do you really think that your Shari’at would spead India without using force? Think again.
Do you people really need support from others to make your believe in your religion more than earlier? You people always have a bunch of stupefied reasons ready to pass on to people, just to prove how pious you people are. Your piousness can be clearly seen in your talks, your wrond deeds and your proclamation of carrying on any illegal activity within the religions boundaries.
You people have succeeded in converting people into Islam. It is mostly by force and not by self realization, that these people are converted into ISLAM.
Aquil, for your knowledge, let me pass on some important information. After you read this piece of information, do let me know, if in that place, it would have been your sister, who was done this way in India, what would have your Moslems done?
In the year 2000, Mohini, a Hindu student in Sindh Pakistan, did not return home one day after college. Her parents panicked, and after an exhaustive search, reported her missing at the local police station. For 2 weeks there was no news. Then, a police officer revealed that Mohini had eloped with Kamal Khan, a manager at the local transport company, and converted to Islam. The father requested to meet his daughter, but the request was refused. He was told that his daughter was no longer willing to associate with infidels, but that he would be able to see her in court the next day, where she would make a declaration of her new faith. At court Mohini refused to talk to her parents, and repeated a prepared declaration of her conversion to Islam. The crowd assembled in the small court roared in applause, chanting slogans of “Nara-e-Takbir, Allah-o-Akbar”. Mohini was whisked away to an unknown destination, without saying goodbye to her parents.
Heartbreaking as this must have been for Mohini’s parents, perhaps over time they could have accepted it as it was apparently their daughter’s will. But the story did not end there. Mohini’s wedding swiftly ended in divorce. Subsequently, she married another Muslim man, in the same neighborhood. According to reports, she had been sold to her new husband, by her first spouse’s family. This marriage too, ended in divorce, and Mohini was then again ‘passed on’ to a 3rd man, also reportedly for a price. Barely 6 months into her new marriage, Mohini died in mysterious circumstances. Her parents believed she had been killed while her husband said she committed suicide.
Though Mohini’s tale is sad, such occurrences are far from rare for the Hindus of Pakistan. Many girls have met a sad fate after voluntary or forced conversion to Islam and subsequent marriage to Muslim men. Says a local Hindu, “If a girl from our community eloped with her paramour of her own will, perhaps over time we could digest it. However it is the horror of what transpires with the girls thereafter – and that with the active collusion of the administration – that is truly lamentable.”
This act is very much HALAL in ISLAM right, you have the right to kidnap, convert, copulate and then sell off the person to others, so that others can carry on with this act of copulating.
Just think, if it was your sister, who was in the same position and she was kidnapped, converted, copulated and then sold off to others to become a bitch, what would you do? Just think about it. I know you might be pissed off by my question. But, what would your Mulla’s, Umnma’s, Madarsa’s, Imam’s, Fellow Moslems do.
Nothing, they would rush out onto the streets, cause destruction, damage properties, kill people and do shout out “Allah-Hu-Akbar” loud. They would create havoc all aroudn, just because their DAUGHTER OF ISLAM has been pulled out of Islam.
If you guys think that this is right, then where are the human rights of Hindu’s living in Pakistan as of now. Do they have any right, they do not even have the basic rights. Here in India, you people enjoy all the rights what we enjoy. We are treated equal here, but it is always your people, who try to increase the gap between these two religions. However, your people always find a reason to cry. You people always have a reason to cry on India. What happens in your Paki Land? Even given it a thought. Why would you think about it, its against Hindus and not against your Moslems there. Hindu’s are victims there in Pakistan as well as here in our own homeland Hindustan.
In another incident, a Hindu trader lodged an FIR at the local police station, charging a man named Niaz Abro with kidnapping his 15 year old daughter, Meena Kumari. In a rare show of duty, Abro was arrested, and said that the girl had eloped with him and converted to Islam, and that they were soon to be married. Abro was advised to get a good lawyer to fight the case. Abro didn’t have the money for a lawyer. Finally he found a lawyer who agreed to fight the case on the condition that Abro’s sister should be arried to the lawyer’s mentally deranged son, which the Abro family consented to. The case was settled, and Niaz Abro was exonerated. But young Meena Kumari was not married to Niaz. Instead she was made to marry Niaz’s 61 year old father! “She had to be punished for bringing bad luck to the family,” said an Abro relative.
These incidents are the tip of an iceberg that the Islamic group, Jamaat-I-Islami have launched an aggressive and organized campaign for the last 20 years, against the Hindus remaining in Pakistan, who are particularly concentrated in the Sindh province.
Dear JSR….
The story you have mentioned is really painful and should be condemned by one and all. Also the people who did this cannot be termed as muslim, and if they would have been in Shari’ah law, they would have been beheaded.
But dear you don’t forget what was done to our women in Surat. how the police, and military raped the girls in Kashmir… and this is still happening.
BUT ANY CRIME LIKE THIS TO ANY WOMEN IRRESPECTIVE OF COMMUNITY, AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE SHOULD BE PUNISHED VERY HARSHLY.
I would again ask you, why the nuns were raped? Why 6 member of a single burnt alive? Does your religion teaches that? THIS IS THIRD TIME I AM ASKING YOU…AT LEAST REPLY NOW…..WHY DID ARJUN KILLED HIS RELATIVES…
Dear JSR….
This bastardly act is very much HALAL in ISLAM right, you have the right to kidnap, convert, copulate and then sell off the person to others, so that others can carry on with this act of copulating.
This is against ISLAM and nobody would say this as good act. May be for people like your mentality would thing this is right, that is why people like you raped poor nuns in India.
Dear Mr Aquil,
ARJUN AND THE PANDAVAS FOUGHT EVIL who just happened to be their relatives. Tolerating crooks and bad people-like the Kauravas just because they happen to be your relatives is also bad behavior.
The RSS chief as well as the Bajrang Dal chief have condemned the incidents of the rape of the nun in Orissa-and these acts as henious crimes and un-Hindu acts. If criminals dont have any religion-then it is wrong to call these heinous criminals as Hindus.
But what happened in Kandhamal needs to be seen in terms of the truth. What is happening is a clash between 2 tribes-the Kandhas and the other tribe which has converted to Christianity. The brutal murder of Swami Laxmananda was the cause of the violence. Ignoring the basic cause and talking of effect is like talking of Lanka Dahan without mentioning Sita Haran.
But what happened was not one-sided even in Kandhamahal. 10 out of the 35 killed in the violence are Hindus.
Dear Mr Aquil and Jai Shri Ram,
Failure to use Parliamentary language has forced this website moderators to issue an official warning to you. Further use-intentional, unprovoked or retaliatory-may result in you being banned from posting further comments on this site-and all your earlier comments may be deleted.
Among another thing-please restrict the comments to subject matters related to this website. For discussing other things-like Islam, Quran, Bajrang Dal you can debate at any other forum. This is the second time that we have had to tell this in this forum. Kindly understand the purpose of this forum.
DEAR ADMIN
THANKS FOR REALISING NON PARLIAMENTARY TALKS, THE MOMENT I WROTE SOME HARSH WORDS TO JSR. KINDLY LOOK INTO THE POSTINGS OF VINAYAK, JSR,CONMAN WHAT HAVE THEY WRITTEN ABOUT ISLAM, QURAN AND OUR BELOVED PROPHET MOHAMMED,PBUH.
WHY AND HOW DID YOU ALLOWED THE POSTINGS TO BE THERE FOR SO MANY WEEKS. LET ME SEE HOW MANY DAYS YOU TAKE TO DELETE THEM. AS IT IS I HAVE INVITED JSR FOR A OPEN PUBLIC DEBATE ABOUT WHAT EVER WRONG HE HAS MENTIONED ABOUT ISLAM AND JSR HAS ACCEPTED THE INVITATION.
DEAR ADMIN, PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS WEBSITE TO SPREAD MORE HATRED.
ear Mr Aquil,
ARJUN AND THE PANDAVAS FOUGHT EVIL who just happened to be their relatives. Tolerating crooks and bad people-like the Kauravas just because they happen to be your relatives is also bad behavior.
The RSS chief as well as the Bajrang Dal chief have condemned the incidents of the rape of the nun in Orissa-and these acts as henious crimes and un-Hindu acts. If criminals dont have any religion-then it is wrong to call these heinous criminals as Hindus.
But what happened in Kandhamal needs to be seen in terms of the truth. What is happening is a clash between 2 tribes-the Kandhas and the other tribe which has converted to Christianity. The brutal murder of Swami Laxmananda was the cause of the violence. Ignoring the basic cause and talking of effect is like talking of Lanka Dahan without mentioning Sita Haran.
But what happened was not one-sided even in Kandhamahal. 10 out of the 35 killed in the violence are Hindus.
Hi Ramesh
I know the story of Kauravas and Pandavas, i just asked this question to Vinayak and JSR to answer their one comment. All religion preaches about fighting agaisnt evils and if Quran also mentions same, then why people like JSR find it wrong.
RAMESH SAYS “The brutal murder of Swami Laxmananda was the cause of the violence. Ignoring the basic cause and talking of effect is like talking of Lanka Dahan without mentioning Sita Haran.”
Dear Ramesh if you still support your sentences mentioned above, then you would also support 92-93 blast and recent bomb blasts as they were in retaliation due to babri masjid demolition and due to Gujrat riots.
Reading Bajrang dal and RSS condeming the act…. why this is happening in BJP rules states only… and why it is taking days and weeks to control. These are sponsored by Bajrang dal and RSS and they are condeming the kiling f people, because they themsleves have done this riots.
Dear Mr Aquil,
We as the moderators have deleted various comments totally from people abusing Islam and Muslims-and edited comments from people you have named. The warning we issued was to all of you-not merely Mr Aquil. We have also deleted unparliamentary words used by Mr Vinayak and Mr Jai Shri Ram. If there is something you feel needs to be deleted-you can always bring it to the notice of Admin. There is no question of us using this site to promote hatred.
Mr Aquil,
Nowhere am I supporting the violence in Kamdhamal. Nor can any violence be justified-no matter what provocations. You have alleged the involvement of the Bajrang Dal. It is far from the truth. The conflicts are merely between two tribes- Kandh tribe and Panas-Panas have converted to Christianity. Thats all to it. Bajrang Dal has no significant presence there.
Not a single member of the Bajrang Dal has ever been found guilty of wrongdoing in any matter in any court of law in any state in India. Accusing RSS and Bajrang Dal of leading attacks on Christians without evidence is irresponsible.
aquil bete you are shuting and defending islam and muslims hundreds of times by saying that bomb blast were because of gujrat riots and demolition of babri masjid, so listen poor man gujrat riots were because of killing of car sevaks by your brave muslim brothers and babri masjid was demolished coz there used to be a ram mandir which was demolished by your brave muslim kings, so before coming for a debate plzz google the history of india till present day you great scholar….. jai hind.
Dear Admin, thanks a lot for deleting the comments. It shows again how secular our India is in keeping away many things from the common man. I have no personal grudge against anything. If you read all my posts, no where do you see anything that is scripted by me or written by me. I again enforce to proclaim that all the quotes taken forth were taken from their own resources, their own websites and most of the quotes taken were from the Emails sent by Indian Mujahideen. However, I would still like to thank you for paying heed to Aquil’s words and deleting the comments. Moresoover, it again hardens the fact that there are still sympathizers, who symphatize with them. Still care for them. Just a few words from my side and Aquil was all heart broken. I still remember the days of Munaf, who was here a few days back.. with Munaf around Aquil was a king, but without anything now, he cries hoarse.
Thanks a lot Aquil for trying to establish Shari’at here on this website too. I think you have learnt enough about Islam from me. However, if you feel you still have to learn more, then let me know. I would not detest imparting Islamic education on you people. I am very much here to educate you people.
So let us now get back to the main topic of the website for now and debate on who was behind Gujrat Roits at Godhra.
As per Nanavati Report, you know who was behind it. I even believe that you would state that Nanavati Report was all madeup and was actually fabricated to give a clean chit to Shri Narendra Modi.
All the best Aquil, try and prove your point now, why you feel that Shri Narendra Modi got all this fabricated in order to achieve a Clea Chit.
Shri Vinayak Ji aur Shri Ramesh Ji, let us discuss more about Godhra Incident and not stray away from Godhra Incident, because the moderators and admin of this website do not like someone like Aquil being cornered. If in case, Shri Moderator Ji and Shri Admin Ji feel that I do not deserve to be a part of this discussion and decide to ban me from being a part of this discussion, then remember, we are all here with a single motive of proving the fact that Moslems were behing Godhra Incident and it was all pre-planned. Even if am not here tomorrow, please do remember that I was here for sometime, to make a difference. Also make sure that we thank the admin and moderators for giving us a platform to voice our concerns, because in India, A Hindu’s voice is always subdueded by Parlimentarians, who use typical parliamentart words to suppress our voice, just in order to gather a couple of votes.
Shri Vinayak Ji aur Shri Ramesh Ji, take this forum ahead and guide it. Be the source of light and inspiration and enlightment for this forum. I do not know, if I would be given an opportunity to see the light of the day and post my comments on this forum, but you please do not lose hope and continue with this.
Jai Shri Ram
||Jai Jai Mata, Bharat Mata||
||Jai Jai Gita, Bhagwad Gita||
Admins, before you think of banning me, let me answer a simple question posted by Aquil. Before this Aquil, thank the Admins and Moderators as you always do.
Aquil, you said “you see since months the people who are RAPING NUNS, BURNING CHURCHES ARE ROAMING FREELY”
Do you really know who did it? Do you really who instigated it? Do you aleast know, where it is happening? Do you atleast know, why it is happening?
There is no substantial evidence which proves that RSS/VHP/Bajrang Dal was involved in it. It is just because they support Hindusim, that they are becoming an easy target of you Moslems, your Sympahtisers and Symphatizing Politicians.
Do you know another reason, why this all has started all of a sudden. The main reason being Your sympahtizing politicians are unable to lift the ban on your SIMI or impose a ban on RSS/Bajrang Dal. They want to gather a few minority votes and in order to attain those votes, they are playing these communal cards.
Where is the NUN who was said to have been raped. It was all over the paper that the case of Nun being raped was all made up. Did you read that or you just read the headlines and then sell-off the paper to the nearest scrap vendor.
Before I being, Hail the Holy Moderators and Admins of this Forum. I am wish to reply to Mr.Aquil, who needs a bit of knowledge on what is evil and what is not evil. So, please grant me the permission to reply to Mr.Aquil and destory his Shari’at Rule here. Just because I mention the 3 holy words of Mr.Aquil (Allah, Mohammed and Quran) which are dearer to Mr.Aquil, doesnot mean that I am using unparlimentart language and abusing their religion.
Aquil said “I know the story of Kauravas and Pandavas, i just asked this question to Vinayak and JSR to answer their one comment. All religion preaches about fighting agaisnt evils and if Quran also mentions same, then why people like JSR find it wrong.”
Aquil, there is a lot of difference between Evil and Non-Believers. If Evil is Non-Believer, then there is an issue here. By the virtue of your vast knowledge of Quran and Islam, reply to this point. Fighiting Evil is very very good in Islam and you are doing it for ages. But, what is this Evil in your Islam, it is none other than Non-Believers I think, who do not bow down before your Allah/Mohammed/Quran and by the holy and graceful virtue of Quran, you are entitled to Slain that Non-Believer just because he is evil as he did not bow down before Islam and accept it.
Oh! I might be an illiterate in Quran or what Islam preaches, so can you the Holy Warrior of Islam throw some light on this thing.
Dear JSR,
Do not give bad word to word secular… Secualar and you… too much. Your each posting in support of RSS,VHP and BJP reaffirms that you are here for political motive.
You are asking me, where is the nun who was raped? that means you are denying. You say in Gujrat riots BJP was not invlolved and you give the reason that Modi is not held by any court… you know how is judiciary of India. I dont remember any strong political party leader ever got punished. It is quite evident that Advani took the rath yatra becoz BJP was not able to get not more than few seats in Lok Sabha election, and cried the slogan mandir wahin banayege…and he too the people there to demolish the masjid and still you feel that you all are very good, secular….hmmmm…shud i laugh on you my dear dumb moron.
Court openly said that the gujrat riot case shud be heard in gujrat it shud go outside gujrat, modi was not given visa of USA, wat else u need prove, that he instigated the riots. THE COMMUNAL RIOTS CAN START ABRUBTLY ANY WHERE, BUT IF POLITICAL PARTIES AND POLICE BEHAVE NEUTRAL THEN THEY CAN CONTROL THEM IN NO TIME.,,WITHOUT MUCH LOSS TO PROPERTY AND LIVES.
But when some political party supports and gives police free hand to kill muslims, then you cannot call it communal riots, it is a planned murder and that is what happened in Gujrat.
I think if comman people have fought against each other then after a period of some time they would have come together for piece, but here people were hired, paid and given license to kill and rape and loot people.
Common JSR dont talk rabbish…that Bajrang dal is not doing anything wrong, they are peaceful people who were making bombs for fun and died.
Not a single person from the bomb blast is still convicted and police says with every arrest that they have got hold of the mastermind.
HAVE A FAST TRACK COURT, HAVE A TRANSPARENT JUDGEMENT WITH PROOF, LET THE INTEROGATION BE DONE IN FRONT OF CAMERA, AND IF PEOPLE FOUND GUILTY OF CONSPIRING BOMB BLAST, HANG THEM. HANG THEM IN PUBLIC.
U SAY THAT U GOT THE DETAILS FROM SITES ABOUT THINGS AGAINST ISLAM. HOW MUCH MONEY IT TAKES TO MAKE A SITE…1500 RUPESS and u can post anything. So people like you want to get political mileage hence try to scare hindus that vote for us otherwise muslims will kill you.
Look what Banerjee report says :The report stirred a controversy as it negated the conspiracy theory of the Sangh Parivar justifying the reprisal violence that claimed over 1,000, mainly Muslims, in Gujarat.
WHOM TO BELIEVE…
Have you ever seen when these kar sevaks travel in train the terrorism they create. I had been once travelling to faizabad and they took the whole train to ransom. They had not reservations and they forced people to give them place, shouting slogan, eating free from the vendors. If you are going for religious visit, you shud be more humble down to earth and do everything legally.
Listen JSR, the way you all are terrorising India muslims, its a shame on you and just because you are in majority.
Somebody asked from ur group, why people should Allahu Akbar during riots…and he related this to Call of War and Allah wants you to war…. you mentally chaleged sickko people…. why do people during war shouted har har mahadev… does that mean mahadev told you go for war always…WHO WUD U REMEMBER FOR STENGTH IN DEFICULT TIMES, its Allah… so this means you all here to see all wrong things and to create a drift.
Dear JSR…
Yes, non beliver is some one who doesnt belives in Allah. But that doesnt mean that you can go on killing them. You have asked this very good question, only one sensible question. Will answer you in detail, give me some time, will give you reference etc.
Vinayak bete…
I would never agree for any bomb blast, becoz i feel if people have problem with some, kill the main culprit rather than killing his friends or relatives. I WILL NEVER SUPPORT BOMB BLAST WHERE COMMON PEOPLE DIE.
SO YOU FEEL THE DEMOLISION OF THE BABRI MASJID IS JUSTIFIED, just becoz hundreds of years ago there exist some ram mandir…I think archaelogical department has also proved that there was no mandir there.
THEN DEMOLISH ALLL THE MASJIDS IN INDIA, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK ALL WERE MADE AFTER DEMOLISHING MANDIR… WHY ONLY BABRI MASJID GO AHEAD WITH OTHERS ALSO….
aquil bete you are shuting and defending islam and muslims hundreds of times by saying that bomb blast were because of gujrat riots and demolition of babri masjid, so listen poor man gujrat riots were because of killing of car sevaks by your brave muslim brothers and babri masjid was demolished coz there used to be a ram mandir which was demolished by your brave muslim kings, so before coming for a debate plzz google the history of india till present day you great scholar….. jai hind.
Godhra – The Truth
By admin on August 2nd, 2008
Conclusions by Jan Sangharsh Manch
The official version of Government of Gujarat regarding the burning of the coach as developed through 9 charge-sheets does not inspire any confidence since the said version suffers from innumerable contradictions obvious on the face of records.
The theory that Razak Kurkuyre, Salim Panwala and few other Muslims of Signal Falia had conspired on 26.2.02 at about 9pm in the Aman guest house to burn down S6 coach at the behest of Maulana Umarji and for that purpose had bought 140 liters of Petrol at 10pm and hid the same in Razak’s house and after coming to know that the train was running late, organized the burning of S6 on 27.2.2002 at 8am by first mobilsing a mob of 1000 to stone the train and thereafter sending a few boys inside the coach by cutting thru the vestibule canvas with 140 liters petrol and pouring the same inside and then setting fire to the coach etc suffers from the following obvious defects:
– Absolutely no indication as to what was the original plan in case the train had arrived at the right time;
– Absolutely no evidence as to how the conspirators came to know that Karsevaks were traveling by the Sabarmati express which would reach Godhra on 27.2.02. The police and the intelligence department consistently claims they had no such information!
– In the first three charge-sheets prepared by two separate I.O.s absolutely no allegations regarding the buying of 140 liters of Petrol from Hakim’s pump.
– On the contrary, the two employees (Prabhat Patel and the other) had given their statement before the police on 10.4.02 but did not mention such a huge sale of Petrol on 26.2.02 and went to a Magistrate to make in March, 2003 to make such allegations!
– There is specific evidence on record to show that Karsevaks had pulled the chain and stopped the train in the station and not the Muslims!
The FSL has not found any petrol hydrocarbon in 500kg or so burnt materials from inside the coach and no “Black Carboy” was found any where inside or outside in which 140 ,liters of Petrol was carried!
– FSL did not find any remains of any carboy inside the coach. Where did the eight carboy in which the 140 liters of Petrol was allegedly carried vanish?
– In case 140 liters of Petrol was actually poured inside a coach and set on fire, it would create a massive explosion specially the coach being a confined space.
– In case of such a burning would a single passenger come out alive? In the present case over 70 passngers with superficial injuries above the knee have survived. Can such a pattern of burning of injured passengers be explained by fluid induced burning ?
The burning of the S6 Coach of Sabarmati Express on 27th February, 2002 was not by way of any preplanned conspiracy by the Muslims. It was not due to petrol or inflammable fluid that S6 had burnt but due to the flash fire that followed the initial ignition. The luggage caught fire thereafter and burnt the coach at a slower rate.
That the Hon’ble Commission ought to recommend the ordering of fresh investigation by body of experts who have special knowledge of fire in enclosed spaces.
That the Investigation Officer should be changed immediately.
Dear JSR,
A true story of cruelty and unprecedented vengeance unveiled before the nation when Ashish Khetan presented his extra-ordinary piece of investigative journalism. It gave clear evidence that the riot following the Godhra carnage was well planned and everything went ahead with the remarks and backing of the one man force Narendra Modi. Without wasting lines a direct dive into the Gujarat riots.
It all began with the Godhra train carnage. It is found that, as the train reached the Godhra station in the early hours, the karsevaks in the train started some feud with some Muslim hawkers. The sevaks are alleged to have kidnapped a Muslim girl from the platform. Just as the train began to roll on, there was immense stone-pelting from the platform. These are from the eye-witness accounts of an army man on board. Many of the passengers had to leave their seats due to threats from sevaks. Just as the train was outside the station someone grabbed the chains and the train halted.
At that time there were people following the train shouting to release the girl. After correcting the fault as the engine began to move on the chain was pulled one more time and it was then that the carnage took place. There was immense stone pelting, but there is no neutral account that anyone in the mob was having fire or fuel jars in hands. The Gujarat forensic lab reports also claims that none could pour any fuel into the train from the ground due to the height, and all the doors were tightly locked. Just as the flames began to get high only the doors were opened and passengers could get out. And the lab has certified that the fire could have originated from some internal elements only.
The true story was heard from the mouths of the perpetrators itself. These were not confessions, but claims of some extra ordinary divine deeds. One of the senior leaders of the VHP himself claims that he has torn open the abdomen of a pregnant woman and roasted the foetus inside. Yet another claim of a person in front of his wife is that he had tasted some grapes, since fruits were available in plenty. All of them say in one voice that they had the support of the administration, police as well as the judiciary.
The fateful events that followed the carnage had its inspiration from the flaring remarks of the Chief Minister Narendra Modi. It has to be believed that he was the mastermind behind all the succeeding incidents. The party members have told that they had been given three days for the completion of the massacre before army enters the scene. And the worse thing is that he used the same as the trump card for his election victory and is still using it for glory. There was no action from the higher levels of the party to suspend or at least warn the person who had done such a crime which had brought just shame to the country.
It is clear from the tapes and official accounts that the BJP, Bajrang Dal and VHP are involved in the riots. The members of the organization had done the head hunt with such haste and vengeance that there is no precedent for it in history. Even the Congress president didn’t visit the house of murdered congress-man and former MP Ehsaan Jaffris house being afraid it would take them back in the elections.
The police too were inactive, no so active that they themselves shot at the running victims. And there were warnings to police men that their Hindu:Muslim casualty ratio were reversing at some places. Post mortem examination was not done on hundreds of bodies and they were even redistributed so that the figures at some places do not become too high.
The judiciary had their duty too. They had too give bail to the culprits. And the lawyers who represented the convict side were later seen in the clothes of public prosecutor. It is extremely shameful that the highest court in the country which usually takes suo motu files against almost all incidents had not uttered a word against the riots after the Tehelka expose. It’s the only way forward since the spy cam shoots cannot be taken as evidence in any court.
The Ahmedabad district collector wasted no time in banning the broadcasting of these tapes. The basic right of information was denied to the common man. All these incidents make us ‘rise’ to the status of Hitler and Nazis. But they would not have done this to their own people, who are just separated by a thin line of faith.
And in the next issue there was a tsunami of replies from various parts of the nation and abroad. Many have asked to ban the parties involved in the incidents. But much of these were submerged in the rate hiking news in the media. The morality of this country is almost lost. There was a basic question which still haunts my mind “Why had the Indian government asked the Muslims to stay back in the country in 1947, promising that they would be treated in par with Hindus?”
The findings of the Jan Sangharash Samiti are rubbish-and nothing but an attempt to defend the indefensible. The horrific, gruesome and barbaric massacre in Godhra was indefensible, unforgivable and impossible to explain away as a consequence of great provocation-in the words of Vir Sanghvi.
India Today weekly dated 22nd July 2002 -gives in detail the names of the witnesses-who testified these statements. The Railway Security officers have given signed statements to the police to these effects-as reported by India Today.
The Muslims cut the coach with swords-again mentioned by weekly India Today dated 22 July 2002.
What prevented the remaining 59-who were burnt to death-from running away if it was an accident?
Gayatri Panchal-a 16 year old survivor-and many others who survived the attack-have clearly testified that the attack was planned, the mob was ready and waiting -and unprovoked-and Muslims brutually murdered the unarmed 59 karsewaks-including 14 children and 26 women.
You are DEFENDING Muslims’ stone pelting and brutal murder of 59 Hindus.
The Tehelka opeartions are absolute lies. Tehelka reporter went and told those interviewed that he would not tell anyone what was happening. It was clear treachery-and he went telling them another lie-that he was writing a book on the Hindutva viewpoint. Thinking that he was a Hindutva man-the person interviewed gave boastful lies-and nothing else.
5 HINDUS WERE SHOT DEAD OUTSIDE EHSAN JAFRI’S HOUSE BY POLICE ON FEB 28 AND THE POLICE SAVED THE LIVES OF MORE THAN 200 MUSLIMS OUT OF THE 250 PRESENT IN THE HOUSE IN THE EPISODE-DESPITE BEING OVERWHELMINGLY OUTNUMBERED BY THE MOB WHICH WAS 10,000 IN NUMBER. Read the chapter “Tehelka lies” in this website to know all the lies that Tehelka has said. Tehelka needs to be prosecuted for its lies and treachery. TEHELKA LIED THAT MODI WAS PRESENT IN NARODA PATIYA ON FEB 28 WHEN THE OFFICIAL RECORDS THAT HE DID NOT VISIT NARODA PATIYA ON THAT DAY.
No VHP leader claimed to tear open the abdomen of a pregnant woman. This claim is absolute rubbish. Far from claiming so-the concerned Shiv Sena (not VHP) leader Babu Bajrangi WAS ACTUALLY DENYING HAVING DONE THAT TO TEHELKA REPORTER ASHISH KHETAN. In no tape can he be shown to be claiming to rip open the abdomen of a woman.
THE AHMEDABAD COLLECTOR SHOULD HAVE BANNED ALL BROADCAST OF THESE TAPES BY TEHELKA-far from any action being taken against Modi-action needs to be taken against Tehelka for its lies on this subject. DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE ARMY STAGED A FLAG MARCH IN AHMEDABAD ON 1ST MARCH 2002-I.E. THE 2ND DAY-TEHELKA LIED THAT THE ARMY WAS NOT CALLED FOR 3 DAYS.
mr jsr plz dont go away coz we really need brilliant people like to fight wid us evil thoughts like aquil you can brain wash him atleast a bit than us….now again you aquil defender of crminal muslims,dont give fake explanations, coz some of the surviver of godhra incident had clearly reported that some 500 mulims criminals had stop the train somehow,then they pored highly inflameable liquid on the train and set fire to the train, the persons who tried to come out of thr train were pelted by stones or cut down by the swords and alsu your great muslim brothers were shouting allah ho akbar while doing these barbaric act, really what a shame on you crminals,and more you should be ashamed coz you are defending those criminal……….jai hind.
|| In the Holy Name of Lord Shri Ram,
whose temple was demolished by the
same sect of people, who also burnt
your Kar Sevaks at Godhra, who were
returning back home after performing
Kar Seva at your Holy Birth Place, Ayodhya ||
Shri Vinayak ji, we are here to teach Aquil what his religion exactly preaches and not to wage a Jihad against someone.
Hindus traditionally are tolerant people and have provided a refuge for many religious refugees, like the Parsis, the Syrian Christians and the Jews. India is the only country that never oppressed the Jews. Even today there are a number of Islamicsects like the Ahmadiyas, the Bohras and the Sufis, and other religious movements originating from Islamic countries like the Bahais, which may not be tolerated in Islamic countries including Pakistan, and exist and flourish in India. In fact there is a greater diversity of Islamic sects in India than in any Islamic country today because of the religious tolerance traditional to Hindu-majority India. When Muslims lived under Hindu rule in pre-Independence India they were not obstructed from practicing their religion, sub-ject to forced conversion, religious taxes, or prevented from building mosques. The same is true of Muslims in India today. They are allowed to practice their religion without interference from Hindus.
Muslims, on the other hand, do not have such a history of tolerance starting with the first chaliphs of Islam who set out organised armies to conquer the world and marched to the very borders of India. During the period of Islamic rule in India most Hindu temples in the country were destroyed, including many that were rebuilt during that period. Hindus had to witness the ongoing destruction of their most holy places because of Muslim intolerance of other religions. The number of temples destroyed runs in thousands and it is difficult to find even a handful of temples in India that were not either destroyed ro defaced by the Muslims. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Hindus were killed in wars and genocide or turned into slaves. this included many religious leaders like various Sikh and Hindu Gurus whom the Muslims executed. Hindus exdured forced conversion and a heavy religious tax to convert them.
Saudi Arabia insists that India sends only a Muslim ambassador and the Government of India meekly complies, not even raising protest! How would Islamic countries, in which Hindus are a minority, respond if the Government of India insisted that they sent only Hindu ambassadors? Certainly it would not be tolerated.
Strictly Islamic countries, like Saudi Arabia, do not allow any other religions to exist within their border. No Hindu temple can be built in such Islamic countries by the Hindus who work there. You will not find any Hindu temples in Mecca or other Islamic holy cities. Hindus who have gone to work in the Gulf countries are not allowed to practice their religion in public, or bring any of their Hindu holy books with them. Even in India today Muslims do not tolerate and often attack the Hindu religious processions that may go through or near their neighbourhood. This is a holdover right from the Islamic period in India when Hindus were prevented from publicly expressing their religion in Muslim predominant communities.
Hindus today are awakening to an understanding of the thousand years of oppression they underwent during nearly a thousand years of foreign rule by the Muslims and the Europeans. Their religion and culture was constantly under siege throughout the period. When Hindus today criticize the British rule of India and its efforts to Christinize India, it is generally regarded as understandable. However when Hindus criticize the Islamic period which was similarly a foreign rule and far more brutal than the British period, with a more determined attempt at conversion, it may be labelled as Hindu intolerance of Islam (suggesting that there is Islamic tolerance of Hinduism, which has yet to be demonstrated). But if British rule and Chritian intolerance of Hindus can be questioned, so can, similar action done by Muslims.
Aquil, you seem to be very much satisfied and happy, that your first cruel intention was completed recently, when you wanted to establish your Islamic Shari’at here and get people banned or rapped for speaking truth.
You are giving me the examples of reports published by Jan Sangharsh Manch, Aashish Khaitan of Tehalka, who are willing to stoop down to any level to gather political/financial mileage. The unknown entities of yesteryears try to gain mileage by incidents like these.
The extent and level at which the planning to carry out this whole thing was done needs to be applauded. All the Moslem’s come together to attack and kill Kar Sevaks.
You quoted that FSL said that No Fuel was used, read this report which clearly says “Forensic Laboratory report concludes that the fire started with at least 60 litres of petrol”
There are several reasons to believe that this was a pre-planned conspiracy as could be seen from the following facts :- People of a particular religion were asked to get down at the previous station of Dahod. Patients of a particular community were discharged from the civil hospital of Godhra one day before 27th, Not a single case from a particular community was registered on 27th Feb. Not even a single student or a teacher of a particular community was present in the schools of Godhra on 27th Feb.
A few questions that still linger around, just in case as you and your so called reputable sources like Aashish or JSM are to be believed.
Q1. What was the urgent need to buy 140 liters of Petrol. Were you all people on a pertrol drinking binge or all your vehicles ran out of gas at the same instance?
Q2. How could a crowd of 1000-1500 gather within minutes of the train leaving the station. Gathering 20 people within minutes is a hurriclean task, how come you people were able to gather approx 1000-1500 people within minutes of the train leaving the station?
Q3. How is it possible that the 1000-1500 people attacking all had weapons, stones in their hands, when accumulating that huge number of people within no time is practically next to impossible.
Q4. How is it possible that the attackers had the whole information, so as to, in which compartment the Kar Sevaks were seated. It has to be a handi-work of one of the Moslem’s working in the Railway Department and it has been proved.
So, it stands to be taken into consideration that no person, unless preplanned can get together those many people. But still, people like you will never beleive it.
You always cry hoarse that Muslims were the only ones who always suffered, let me educate you a bit on this Mr.Aquil. You seem to see the world from only one point of view, the POV of ISLAM.
History of Muslim Terrorism in Godhra from 1927 to 2002 and still continuing…
Terrorism in Godhra victimising Hindus is not new. It dates back to 1927. Various incidents which are noted in the records of Govt. show that Muslim terrorists have been responsible for acts of terrorism some of which took place in the years 1927, 1946, 48, 65, 80, 90, 92, 2002. People in Gujarat know well about all these acts of violence.
Godhra is main centre of Panchmahal District, which is considered to be communally very sensitive. Details of communal riots/atrocities by Muslims are appended below.
1927-28 Murder of Shri P. M. Shah, a leading local representative of Hindus.
1946 Mr. Sadva Hazi & Mr. Chudighar, pro Pakistani Muslim leaders were responsible for attack on a Parsi Solapuri fozdar during communal riots. After partition, Mr. Chudighar left for Pakistan.
1948 Mr. Sadva Hazi conspired an attack on District collector Shri Pimputkar in, 1948 but his bodyguard saved him at the cost of his own life. After that Mr. Sadva Hazi also left for Pakistan in 1948.
On 24-3-48 one Hindu was stabbed to death near a mosque in Jahurpur area. Around 2000 houses of Hindus were burnt besides Hindu Temples. District collector Shri Pimputtkar could save the remaining areas belonging to Hindus by imposing curfew, which lasted for six months.
1965 Shops belonging to Hindus were set ablaze near Police Chowki – No. 7 by throwing incendiary material from near-by two Muslim Houses viz. Bidani & Bhopa. It could be possible because of Congress MLA belonging to minority. PSI of this Police Chowki which was near by Railway Station was also attacked by Muslim unsocial elements.
1980 A similar attack was made on Hindus on 29-10-80, which started from the Bus Station of Godhra. This attack was planned by Muslim miscreants; who were involved in anti social activities near Station Road area.
Five Hindus including two children of 5 and 7 year age were burnt alive. A Gurudwara was also set on fire, in Shikari Chal of this area. Forty shops belonging to Hindus were also set on fire in station area. Due to these communal riots, Godhra was put under curfew for a year, which severely affected the Business and Industries.
1990 Four Hindu Teachers were murdered by Muslim miscreants in Saifia Madresa in Vhorvada area of Godhra on 20-11-’90. One Hindu Tailor was also stabbed to death in this area. All this was done by Muslim antisocial elements at the instance of the congress MLA of the area.
1992 More than 100 houses belonging to Hindus were set on fire near Railway Station in the year 1992 to snatch this area from Hindus. All this was done by Muslim terrorists. This area, now a days, is lying vacant as most of the Hindu families have shifted elsewhere.
2002 Three bogies of Ahmedabad bound Sabarmati express were set on fire on 27-02-02 by Muslim miscreants. Municipal members, railway officers & employees belonging to minority community, tea stall owners, auto rickshaw drivers and Muslim antisocial elements residing nearby, had a plan to set on fire the entire train but could not do so because the train was late for four hours and they could not take the advantage of darkness of night.
and it is still continuing even today. Hindus are victimized by Moslems all over the world, so, how could Godhra be left behind.
History of the Hindus in Gujarat reveal that only when the Hindu sentiments are hurt, the out burst remains spontaneous, natural and vigorous. Otherwise, as could be seen during natural calamities like the earthquake, draught etc., both the communities have worked hand-in-hand without any problem, leave aside enmity.
SO YOU FEEL THE DEMOLISION OF THE BABRI MASJID IS JUSTIFIED, just becoz hundreds of years ago there exist some ram mandir…I think archaelogical department has also proved that there was no mandir there.
Do you really think ASI has declared that there was no Ram existing ever or there was no Ram Mandir ever.
A. Fuhrer in his The Monumental Antiquities and Inscriptions in the North-Western Provinces and Oudh, Archaeological Survey of India Report, 1891, pp 296-297 records: “Mir Khan built a masjid in A.H. 930 during the reign of Babar, which still bears his name. This old temple must have been a fine one, for many of its columns have been utilized by the Musalmans in the construction of Babar’s Masjid.”
H.R. Neville in the Barabanki District Gazetteer, Lucknow, 1905, pp 168-169, writes that the Janmasthan temple “was destroyed by Babar and replaced by a mosque.” Neville, in his Fyzabad District Gazetteer, Lucknow, 1905, pp 172-177 further tells us; “The Janmasthan was in Ramkot and marked the birthplace of Rama. In 1528 A.D. Babar came to Ayodhya and halted here for a week. He destroyed the ancient temple and on its site built a mosque, still known as Babar’s mosque. The materials of the old structure [i.e., the temple] were largely employed, and many of the columns were in good preservation.”
Dr. S.P. Gupta (former director of the Allahabad Museum), says about recent excavations at Ayodhya: “At Ayodhya, Professor Lal [B.B. Lal. Former Director General of ASI] took as many as 14 trenches at different places to ascertain the antiquity of the site. It was then found that the history of the township was at least three thousand years old, if not more… When seen in the light of 20 black stone pillars, 16 of which were found re-used and standing in position as corner stones of piers for the disputed domed structure of the ‘mosque’, Prof. Lal felt that the pillar bases may have belonged to a Hindu temple built on archaeological levels formed prior to 13th century AD…”
June 16, 2003: A news item allegedly supplied by the Archaeological Survey of India was planted in the newspapers that no evidence of a pre-existing structure under the disputed Rama Janma Bhumi-Babri Masjid was found. The said news item was definitely deceptive, groundless, misrepresented and calculated to dupe the country. The misrepresented item was based on an unfinished progress report of the ASI. Three-fourths of the report have been concealed. The item was cooked up on the basis of the excavation report of a spot that was about 50 feet away from the western wall of the Rama Janma Bhumi structure. As such the inferences of the news item based on the report of this pit is reckless. In spite of this, even these pits gave away two-thousand year old molded bricks and ornate stone pieces of different shapes and sizes. The news item dishonored these facts.
Archeological Society of India Says Temple Existed at Ramjanmabhoomi Site
August 25, 2003: The Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) said a temple-like “massive structure” existed beneath the disputed site in Ayodhya in its 574-page report. The ASI report, submitted on August 22, was opened by the three-member Full Bench, comprising Justice SR Alam, Justice Khem Karan and Justice Bhanwar Singh on Monday. The bench has given six-week time to contesting parties for filing their objections on the sensational revelations made by the ASI in its two-volume report. “Viewing in totality and taking into account the archaeological evidence of a massive structure just below the disputed structure and evidence of continuity in structural phases from the tenth century onwards up to the construction of the disputed structure along with yield of stone and decorated bricks as well mutilated sculpture of divine couple…., fifty pillar bases in association of the huge structure, are indicative of remains which are distinctive features found associated with the temples of north India,” concluded the ASI in its report.
August 27, 2003
In what could be a turning point in the Ayodhya dispute, the Archaeological Survey of India has reported to the high court that its excavations found distinctive features of a 10th century temple beneath the Babri Mosque site.
THEN DEMOLISH ALLL THE MASJIDS IN INDIA, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK ALL WERE MADE AFTER DEMOLISHING MANDIR… WHY ONLY BABRI MASJID GO AHEAD WITH OTHERS ALSO…
Its just the politically motivated politicians who are hungry for your votes, who do not want it to be done. The Congress, Samajwadi Party, BSP, RJD, CPI, CPM and etc etc, all these power hungry maggots are out to woo you, lick you moslems, in order to gather a couple of senseless votes. Its is only with the support of these people that you feel supreme and powerfull, without them you would be downtrodden. With Ram Rajya being established, the day will not be far away when we get back the birthplace of Krishn Lalla. Its Moslems like you have descreated our temples to build your places of worship.
If you were sensible enough and would have been pride of your religion of peace, you would not have done this thing. You follow ISLAM and it preaches Kill Non-Believers and Destroy their Places of Worship and you are doing it even today. As a religion which clearly says and only goes as per the book and without common sense, shows how peacefull and humble you people are.
What Moslems should do.
Muslim leaders should make an official apology for the massive destruction of temples and killing of Hindus that was common under their rule in India and by their invading armies. One can use the example of the Christians apologizing to the American Indians or the Blacks for similar discrimination and oppression.
Muslims should give back to the Hindus Ayodhya, Kashi and Mathura mosques that were built by Babur and Aurangazeb on Ramjanmabhoomi, the Kashi Vishwanath Shiva temple and Krishnajanmabhoomi, just as they did not try to hold on the Somnath after Partition of India. This could be a peace offering for all the Hindu temples destroyed by Muslims through history.
Indian Muslims should complain to Muslim countries that discriminate against Hindus. They should criticize Pakistan and Bangladesh for the destruction of Hindu temples that has gone on there in recent times.
Indian Muslims must disarm the jihadis and disown the bigotism which has made Muslims pariahs everywhere. They must give assurance to the non-Muslims that their religion stands for “live and let live”. This reformation will rejuvenate Islam itself.
Muslims, who claim to follow the will of God, think clearly on the history of Islam, and how members of your religion have mistreated Hindus and denigrated their religion. Think of how your religious leaders portray the Hindu religion even today.
“What Indian Muslims have to understand is that eventually it is not their leaders but they themselves who will have to make their destiny.”
But understand all this takes a lot of perseverance and these poor Moslem’s lack that perseverance in them.
Vinayak Ji, I do not think you need to refer to me as Mr.JSR, because taking names of gods is not Haraam in Hindusim. You can take the name of gods and not rely on abbrevations. Garv Se Kaho “Jai Shri Ram”
DEAR JSR.. FYI
Archaeological Investigations
Was there a temple beneath the Babri Masjid? Having examined the records of excavations conducted by Prof. B.B.Lal, former Director General of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) in the seventies at the Ayodhya site, preserved at the Purana Qila office of the ASI, a team of four historians and archaeologists came to the conclusion that there was no proof of it. They explained their findings and conclusions at the press conference held at the Indian Council of Historical Research (ICHR), New Delhi, on October 23,1992. The experts: Prof. R.S. Sharma, former Chairman of the ICHR; Prof. M. Athar Ali (Rtd.) Department of History, Aligarh University; Prof. Suraj Bhan (Rtd.), Professor of History, Kurukshetra University; and Prof. D.N. Jha, Professor of History, University of Delhi. They had earlier been to Ayodhya and made on the spot studies of the Ayodhya excavation site.
As part of an ongoing process to find a solution to the mandir-masjid issue, with the Government of India as the umpire, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and the Babri Masjid Action Committee (BMAC) have submitted fresh evidence and documents to the government in support of their respective contentions, and these were made available to the sides for study with a view to arrive at an understanding.
The new material evidence relates to excavations done by Prof. B.B. Lal over 11 years ago in areas in the vicinity of the Babri Masjid. Prof. Lal has since published a series of documents on results of his studies. He made an announcement recently that brick base found in the vicinity of the masjid could be meant for sustaining pillars and therefore suggest the existence of a temple-like structure south of the Babri masjid. The BJP is taking it as the basic evidence for the existence of a temple where the masjid stands.
The experts examined the site notebook and register of antiquities connected with the Ayodhya excavations, studied the drawings, plans, photographs, and excavated material and found that the recent claim of Prof. Lal regarding the existence of a mandir-like structure was unsubstantiated. The existence of a brick base for pillars does not prove that it could be of a temple. If there was a temple, at least some articles related to the temple could have been found during the excavations. No such evidence had been found either by Prof. Lal or in the recent excavation by the VHP. The eighteen objects which VHP claims to have found at the site during its excavations, which were witnessed neither by the Archaeological Survey of India experts nor by any other impartial archaeologists or historians, are not in situ objects and could have been brought from elsewhere.
Even in his own report submitted to the Archaeological Survey of India in 1976-77 and in 1979-80, Professor Lal had stated “several later medieval brick-and-kankar lime floors have been met with, but the entire late period was devoid of any special interest.” The later medieval period indicated 17th-l8th centuries. If remains of a structure of 17th-l8th centuries, are found outside the masjid area, how do they prove the presence of a temple that was supposedly built in the 11th century and destroyed in the early 16th century? the experts asked. They also point out that the excavations did not reveal any pillars, or roof material of the supposed temple at the site where the brick pillar base stood. The mere presence of pillar bases does not make out a case for the existence of a temple.
Interestingly, pieces of glazed ware pottery were unearthed from the trenches above the floors associated with the brick-pillar base structure and immediately below the general floor of the Babri Masjid. It is an accepted fact that Islamic glazed-ware pottery has never been used in Hindu temple The presence of the glazed pottery shows that as in other parts of Ayodhya, this site also was inhabited by Muslims around the thirteenth century, and the pillar structure could have been anything but a temple, had already fallen down and gone out of use before the Muslim habitation. Excavations conducted by Prof. A.K. Narain in other parts of Ayodhya, where glazed ware has been discovered in the trenches, confirm this view. Finds of Islamic glazed ware unearthed by both B.B. Lal and A.K. Narain make it clear that the Muslims lived in Ayodhya from the 13th century onwards and may have built a mosque at the site of an old ruin. This gives the lie to the VHP argument that the so called temple was destroyed by Babar’s officials to build the Masjid.
Now about the black basalt stone-pillars used in the four arches of the Masjid. VHP argues that they formed part of the temple which was destroyed. Similar pillars are also found in the graveyard nearby. All these differ in their style and diameter and their total lack of stratigraphic association rules out the possibility of their being an integral part of any single structure. Such pillars are also found in other parts of Ayodhya in completely unrelated contexts. Besides, the pillar bases existing at a distance of about 60 feet to the south of the Babri Masjid structure are in alignment with the pillars used in the Babd Masjid. They could have been part of a veranda or a dwelling place or an animal shed and are of no importance as such structures could be found in the area even now. Thus, archeological evidence so far suggests the existence of Muslim habitation proximal to the Masjid from the 13th century onwards.
TRUTH UNCOVERED…. NANAVATI REPORT IS FAKE…
Recently Justice Nanavati-Mehta (N-M) submitted their report to Govt. (Sept 2008). What it has done must be very close to the desire of the ruling establishment which reaped a rich harvest due to the Godhra train burning and the anti Muslim pogrom in the aftermath of the same.
The report after the investigation for six long years is just the first part. While legally it is tangible that the investigating judge can present the report in parts, the logic behind this is not very clear. In a way the outcome of the report should have been well predicted as just some months after being appointed, Nanvati and (then) Shah stated that there is not much evidence against VHP etc., and this gave the indication that the commission had already made up its mind as to what type of report was to be given. The depositions of the witnesses and the evidence presented was selectively constructed to ratify the pre arrived conclusions or what were to be presented as the conclusions.
N-M report operates on the basis that it was a preplanned conspiracy by local Muslims in collaboration with the ISI. It concludes that Haji Umarji the local cleric presided over the meeting of Muslims where this conspiracy was hatched. They bought 140 liters of petrol, cut open the vestibule between S 6 and S 7, spread the petrol and burnt the coach. This conclusion is arrived without even a single eyewitness to the burning of the train. There were 200 passengers in the overcrowded train but no eye witness account has been cited to ratify their conclusion.
This conspiracy theory has serious holes in it. That the train is carrying the returning Kar Sevaks was not a public knowledge, not even the state officials knew about it. The only people who knew that the Ram sevaks were returning by that train were the VHP-BJP combine. The train was late by five hours and this totally debunks the theory of conspiracy by Muslim community. If they did not know that train is carrying Ram Sevaks how could they conspire and how could they implement the same if train was late? If conspiracy is at all to be believed the finger of suspicion should be in some other direction!
Than, if the commission says the vestibule was cut open, why such valuable evidence was permitted to be sold in the scrap? The depositions show that the first train stoppage at Godhra station was due to the Ram Sevaks pulling the chain as some of them were left out on the platform and the second one was due to technical fault. For conspiracy by them they should have stopped the train, which is not the case. This again goes against the conspiracy by Muslims theory.
While trying to come to this theory first N-M operated on the line that the burning rags and some chemicals were thrown from the windows but soon it shifted to the theory that vestibule was cut. The earlier thesis that petrol was poured from outside was not tenable as Forensic laboratory, FSL, had strongly maintained that petrol cannot be poured from outside due to the height of the rail track and the height of the train. Then comes the vestibule theory. One imagines for cutting the vestibule the train has to be stopped by the conspirators, but second time the train stopped due to technical snag and not due to pulling of chain. And then to cut the vestibule to be able to enter the coach is not an easy job.
The report is a new low in the arena of investigation. So far we witness a good deal of objectivity in many inquiry committees. But this is totally silent on practically most of the crucial issues involved in the train burning. Sophia Bano was dragged by Kar Sevaks and she stated the same to the commission, but her testimony has been sidelined. The commission has based its total finding on the police officer Noel Parmar, whose findings were rejected by the Supreme Court and so it appointed R.K Raghavan. The hurry, in which N-M has submitted its part one, can easily be understood. As Lok Sabha elections are close, this part is meant to influence the elections. As such as is clear from the functioning of this commission it was already working on the theory propounded by Narendera Modi in the aftermath of Godhra train burning, and N-M have just ratified his thesis. They have selectively picked and chosen the evidences to suit their preformed opinion, ignoring the crucial testimonies which could have led them to the truth.
The N-M report is totally silent on Justice U.C. Bannerjee report. As per the railway act after every major accident, a probe has to be instituted. In this case that time BJP ally Nitish Kumar was the railway minister and he did not abide by the rule, no inquiry was done ostensibly to protect his ally. When Lalu Yadav became the railway minister he instituted Bannerjee committee, which concluded that it was an accident. Now if N-M is coming with it today, already one report is already there, whose finding are contrary to its own. In that case it has to refute them to stand the ground. No such effort is made. One also fails to understand as to why the demand to cross examine Modi was rejected as there was a case for interrorogating him, based on phone call records. Most importantly the whole thesis of burning by patrol falls to the ground with FSL report saying that the analysis of residues shows that petrol was not used.
R.B. Sreekumar, who has been one of the forthright officers and he refused to bow to the Modi administration. He filed his affidavit to N-M commission giving his version. He commented that he was threatened by state officials if he dares to speak the truth. He had recorded these conversations also. N-M was duty bound to take these seriously, either to accept them or reject them with due explanation, but there is a total silence on the submissions of Sreekumar.
All in all this report is a disgrace on the norms of investigation. This also symbolizes that there are sections in professional life who are willing to play to the bidding of the rulers to please them for various reasons or they themselves are heavily under ideological influence to deviate from professionalism, objectivity and pursuit of truth.
Dear JSR, Vinayak,
You want to teach me about Islam, thanks for that. But please learn and understand yourself what is the teaching of Quran and Prophet Mohammed (pbuh). See what Islam and Quran teaches, dont see the peoples behaviour, because in every religion there are good and bad people. When I see my close Hindu friends I think Hindus are the best, but when I see the SHIT mentality of you and Vinayak and the dirty language you use, I am forced to think otherwise.
So bete log…first learn what is teaching of Islam,
Maulana Wahiduddin Khan
(Translated from Urdu by Yoginder Sikand)*
The word ‘jihad’ is derived from the root juhd, which means ‘to strive’ or ‘to struggle’. It denotes the exertion of oneself to the utmost, to the limits of one’s capacity, in some activity or for some purpose. This is how the word is understood in Arabic grammar.
Because fighting against one’s enemies is also one form of this exertion or striving, it is also sometimes referred as jihad. However, the actual Arabic word for this is qital, not jihad. Fighting with one’s enemies is something that might happen only occasionally or exceptionally. However, jihad, properly understood, is a continuous action or process that animates every day and night of the life of the true believer. Such a person does not let any hurdle affect his life, including desire for gain, the pressure of customs, the demands of pragmatism, lust for wealth, etc.. All these things serve as hurdles in the path of doing good deeds. Overcoming these hurdles and yet abiding by the commandments of God is the true jihad, and this is the essential meaning of the concept of jihad. There are many references to jihad, as understood in this way, in the collections of sayings attributed to the Prophet Muhammad.
The present world is a testing ground, and its environment has been fashioned in such a way that human beings are constantly put to the test. In the course of this test, human beings are faced with numerous hurdles, to face which one must repeatedly suppress or sacrifice one’s own desires or, in some cases, even one’s own self. Overcoming these odds and facing all sorts of difficulties and losses but still remaining firm on the path of truth is the real and fundamental jihad. Those who remain steadfast in the path of this jihad will be blessed with entrance to paradise.
Jihad, in essence, is a form of peaceful action or activism. This peaceful activism can take the form of inviting others to the path of truth. The Quran advises us not to obey those who champion falsehood, and tells us to engage in jihad with them through the Quran. This means that one should respond to them by inviting them to the path of the truth, striving till one’s utmost in this regard. The jihad that this Quranic verse refers to is not physical warfare. Rather, reference here is to intellectual and ideological activism. In short, it means refuting falsehood and advancing the cause of the truth [using peaceful means].
Qital, which is one form of jihad, involves physical warfare, but this also cannot be divorced from the issue of essentially peaceful jihad. If an enemy challenges one militarily or through physical force, one should still strive to the utmost possible to respond through peaceful means. Such means can be abandoned only when it is no longer possible to use them or when warfare becomes the only way to respond to the violence being unleashed.
In this regard, a statement attributed to Hazrat Ayesha [one of the wives of the Prophet] serves as a guiding principle. This statement is contained in the Sahih Bukhari, a book of traditions attributed to the Prophet. She said that whenever the Prophet was faced with two choices, he would always opt for the easier one. This means that he would prefer the easier option and would ignore the harder option. This principle of the Prophet applied not only to routine affairs of life but also to serious matters such as war, which is itself a difficult option. A reading of the life of the Prophet reveals that he never initiated fighting on his own. Whenever his foes sought to force him into battle, he would always try to seek some means to avoid physical fighting. He engaged in fighting only when all other options were closed. Thus, as the Prophet’s practice reveals, offensive war is forbidden in Islam. Islam allows only for defensive war, and that too only when this becomes absolutely unavoidable.
In reality, in life one is always faced with the dilemma of making choices between different options. Some options are based on peace, others on violence. The accounts of the Prophet’s life indicate that in every matter he preferred the former. A few instances from his life are in order to illustrate this fact:
1. Soon after being appointed as a prophet, he was faced with a choice between the two sorts of options. His mission was to end polytheism and to establish pure monotheism, belief in and surrender to the one God. The Kaaba in Mecca had originally been made as a centre for the worship of the one God, but by the time of the advent of the Prophet some 360 idols had been installed therein. Hence, one might think that in the Quran the Prophet should have first been instructed to purify the Kaaba of the idols and to remake it as a centre for monotheism. But had this been the case , this would have been tantamount to warring with the Qureish of Mecca, who enjoyed leadership among the Arabs precisely because they were custodians of the Kaaba. History tells us that [at this stage] the Prophet restricted himself simply to the spreading the message of monotheism instead of removing the idols from the Kaaba. This, in a sense, is a major instance of the Prophet choosing a peaceful, as opposed to violent, option.
2. Choosing and abiding by the peaceful option, the Prophet carried on his preaching work for thirteen years in Mecca. Despite this, the Qureish fiercely opposed him, so much so that the Qureish elders plotted to kill him. Accordingly, they armed themselves with swords and surrounded his house. This was nothing sort of a declaration of war against the Prophet and his companions. However, guided by God, the Prophet decided not to retaliate militarily, and in the darkness of night he left Mecca and travelled to Medina. This journey is known in Islam as the Hijrah. The hijrah exemplifies the choice of the use of the peaceful option, instead of a violent option.
3. The ‘Battle of the Trench’ is another example of the choice of the peaceful option by the Prophet. On this occasion, an army of the Prophet’s opponents marched on Medina to attack the Prophet. This was an open declaration of war on their part. However, in order to avoid fighting, the Prophet arranged for a trench to be dug around the town. This served as a buffer against the attackers. Consequently, the Qureish army spent just a few days camped beyond the trench and then went back. Constructing the trench to keep off the invading Qureish was another example from the Prophet’s life of choosing a peaceful, instead of violent, option.
4. Likewise, in the case of the Treaty of Hudaibiyah. The Prophet and his companions wanted to worship at Mecca, but they were stopped by the Qureish chiefs at a place called Hudaibiyah and were asked to go back to Medina. The Qureish said that they would not allow them to enter Mecca at any cost. This was, in a sense, a declaration of war on their part. If the Prophet had proceeded with his plans of proceeding to Mecca to worship, it would have meant armed conflict with the Qureish. However, the Prophet chose not to go ahead. Instead, he peacefully accepted a one-sided treaty with the Qureish and returned to Medina. This is yet another example of the Prophet choosing the peaceful, instead of violent, option.
5. This practice and preference was also evident when the Prophet finally took over Mecca. On this occasion, he was accompanied by ten thousand devoted companions, who could easily have militarily defeated the Qureish of Mecca. However, here, too, the Prophet did not use physical force to capture the town. Instead, he quietly travelled, along with his companions, to Mecca and entered it. This happened so suddenly that the Qureish were unable to make any preparations against them. Consequently, Mecca was won without any bloodshed. This, too, is an example of the choice of peaceful, instead of violent, means.
These examples suggest that not just in ordinary situations, but also in situations of emergency, the Prophet resorted to peaceful, as opposed to violent, means. As indicated above, in Islam peace is the rule and war is the exception, and that too only when it becomes unavoidable. Keep this principle in mind and survey the world today. Today’s world is very different from the world of ancient times, when war was the rule and was commonly resorted to. Choosing peaceful means was very difficult. However, today the situation has completely changed. In today’s world, resort to violence has become completely useless and undesirable, while the use of peaceful means alone is generally accepted. So acceptable has the peaceful option become that it has emerged as a powerful force in its own right. Today, one can press one’s views peacefully, through use of the right to free expression, using modern communications and the media. These developments have made the peaceful option even more efficacious.
As mentioned earlier, the Prophet’s practice indicates that when peaceful options are available, they should be used and violent means should be abstained from. In today’s context not only are peaceful methods and options available in plenty, but also, owing to various supporting factors, they are much more effective. It would not be an exaggeration to claim that in today’s world violent methods have not only become more difficult, but also, in practical terms, completely useless. In contrast, peaceful methods are easier and also much more effective. Peaceful methods have now become the only possible and efficacious option. In this context one can claim that violent methods have to be abandoned, or what in the language of the shariah is called ‘mansukh’ or abrogated. Now the followers of Islam have only one option to choose, and that, without any doubt, is the peaceful option, unless, of course conditions change so much that the directive needs to be changed.
It is true that in the past violent means were occasionally used but these were only under compulsion due to temporal factors. Now, because conditions have so changed that the compulsion no longer remains, the use of violent means is no longer necessary and is undesirable. Under the new conditions, only peaceful methods should be used. As far as the issue of jihad is concerned, peace is the rule and war has the status of only an unavoidable exception….
….According to a well-known principle of Islamic jurisprudence, rules change in the wake of change of time and place. This means that when the context changes one must seek to re-apply the juridical rule in accordance with and to suit the new context. This principle applies as much to issues of war as it does to other matters. This principle thus demands that violent methods be declared as abandoned and only peaceful methods should be given the status of being sanctioned by the shariah.
Contemporary ‘Jihadi’ Movements
Today, in various countries Muslims are involved in armed movements in the name of ‘Islamic jihad’. However, simply by being called as a ‘jihadi’ movement by its leaders no such movement can be actually considered thus. No action can be considered as a legitimate jihad unless it fully meets the conditions as laid down in Islam. Those battles that are being fought in the name of jihad without meeting the conditions of jihad cannot be termed as jihad. Rather, they are fasad or strife [the opposite of jihad]. And those who are engaged in such activities will not get the reward [from God] of jihad. Instead, they will be considered worthy of punishment in God’s eyes.
I have written extensively elsewhere about the various conditions necessary for qital or physical war to be truly considered as jihad. Here I wish to clarify just one point, and that is that jihad in the sense of qital is not a private act in the same manner as prayers and fasting. Rather, it is an act that is entirely associated with a state or government. This is clearly indicated in the Quran and the Hadith [reports attributed to or about the Prophet Muhammad]. For instance, the Quran says that in the face of intimidation by the enemy, individuals should not take any action on their own, but, instead, should turn to those in charge of their affairs so that the latter can understand the matter in a proper perspective and take appropriate and necessary steps. This means that individual members of the public cannot decide issues of war on their own. This is something left to the government to handle.
Likewise, a Hadith report states that the Imam or leader is like a shield, war is conducted under his control and through him safety is ensured. This means that war and defence must always be left to the rulers to manage….
…There is an almost unanimous opinion on this issue in the Islamic juridical tradition and almost no noted Islamic scholar has dissented from this. Hence, the [almost] unanimous opinion of the Islamic jurisprudents is that war can be declared only by an established government. Subjects or citizens of a state do not have the right to do so […]Today, in various places Muslims are engaged in fighting with governments in the name of jihad. However, almost without exception, these are not really Islamic jihads, but, rather, are fasad or condemnable strife. None of these so-called jihads has been declared by any government. All of these self-styled jihads have been declared and are conducted by non-state forces and actors. If some of these violent movements have the backing of any Muslim government, this is being done secretly, while according to the shariah jihad on the part of a government must entail an open declaration. Without this, qital on the part of a Muslim government is illegal.
Today, the various violent movements in the name of jihad being engaged in by some Muslims are of two types: they are either guerrilla wars or proxy wars. Both sorts of war are completely illegal according to Islam. Guerrilla wars are unacceptable in Islam because they are led and conducted by non-state actors, not by any established government. Likewise, proxy wars are unacceptable in Islam because the governments behind them do not issue a formal and open declaration of war. This is not allowed in Islam.
Summary
Islamic jihad, properly understood, is a constructive and continuous process. It remains active throughout the life of a true believer. It has three aspects:
a. Jihad-e nafs or the struggle against the baser self or the ego, against one’s passions and wrong desires and to remain steadfast in one’s commitment to lead the life that God wants for human beings.
b. Jihad in the sense of striving, using peaceful means, to communicate God’s word to all of His slaves, inspired by a compassion and concern for others, even if this is not reciprocated. This is the great jihad according to the Quran.
c. The third form of jihad relates to confronting one’s foes and to remain firmly committed to the faith under all conditions. In the past, this form of jihad in the past was basically a peaceful action, and so remains even today. In this sense, jihad, properly understood, is a peaceful struggle, not military or physical confrontation.
This is a translation of a chapter of Maulana Wahiduddin Khan’s acclaimed Urdu book Aman-e Alam (’Global Peace’) [Goodword Books, New Delhi, 2005, pp.27-37]. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan can be contacted on info@goodwordbooks.com.
sorry i wrote jsr instead of jai shree ram, but jai shree ram as im seeing you are presenting the truth of muslims and islam in a very perfect and decent manner with proofs, your debate is very clean and perfect….but as you can see quil is not accepting the real fact, he is again and again denying the truth, and defending muslim cratures , he is looking at the world only through one vision that of islam, he really dont want to accpet the mistakes of muslims and islamic teachings, he and every muslim only knows to defent themselves, hide their faults, mistakes, give foolish explanations,and blame other people of other religions, and that is the reason why muslims are not changing atll from the time they have come to existance, and i think there are very little chances, may be no chance of changing them, but even though we will try our level best to show them a path of reality and humanity, jai shree ram, jai hind.
Aquil, I am enjoying your foolishness on many things. You are a person, who strongly defends that Jihad and Jidhadis are on the righetous path. There is nothing wrong in what they are doing. I also enjoyed reading your article on Jihad. Especially that last part “Maulana Wahiduddin Khan can be contacted on info@goodwordbooks.com.” Did you contact this Mulla and ask him Ideas to defend Islam. Did you ask him “Please Mulla, tell me what do I tell these Kafirs and defend Islam.” However, It was very informative about how cruel your intentions become once you say you are a Moslem. You want to instill fear in the heart of people, once they hear that you are Moslem and followers of Islam.
Moving on to the main topic, Do you really think Babri Masjid was not built on Ram Temple/Ram Janambhoomi? For your reference and to enhance your impeccable knowledge of Islam, I am citing a few of the testimonies, which your very own Moslem Maulana’s/Mulla’s gave in their books. You might fret at these testimonies and say that the cited Mulla’s/Maulana’s were not Real Moslems or They were also Kafirs. You guys can go to any extent of lying, just in order to hide your criminal motives and crime.
Muslim historians tell us on the authority of the Prophet that the mosques were established for the first time by Abraham. The mosque of Ka’ba, we are told, had been built by Abraham. Those who dismiss Rama as mythological gossip and deny him a place of birth at Ayodhya may well enquire whether the viability of Abraham and if he was a historical person who actually presided over the building of the Ka’ba.
During the time of Muhammad, Idols were smashed and temples destroyed or converted into mosques everywhere, Muslim poets vied with each other to record the events in rapturous verse.
Fazal bin al-Mulawwih sang:
“Had you seen Muhammad and his troops,
The day the idols were smashed when he entered.
You would have seen God’s light become manifest,
In darkness covering the face of idolatry.”
An instance to show how cruel intentioned your Moslems were and are:
Sultan Firuz Shah Tughlaq (CE 1351-1388)
Puri (Orissa) “Allah, endowed the king of Islam with the strength to destroy this ancient shrine on the eastern sea-coast and to plunge it into the sea, and after its destruction, he ordered the nose of the image of Jagannath to be perforated and disgraced it by casting it down on the ground. They dug out other idols, which were worshipped by the polytheists in the kingdom of Jajnagar, and overthrew them as they did the image of Jagannath, for being laid in front of the mosques along the path of the Sunnis and way of the musallis and stretched them in front of the portals of every mosque, so that the body and sides of the images may be trampled at the time of ascent and descent, entrance and exit, by the shoes on the feet of the Muslims.”
Another instance to show Hindu Idol’s were disgraced, demolished and discreated just to be put underneath the pathway of your Mosque’s:
Sultan Shamsud-Din Iltutmish (CE 1210-1236)
Ujjain (Madhya Pradesh) “In AH 631 he invaded Ujjain and conquered it, and after demolishing the idol-temple of Mahakal, he uprooted the statue of Bikramajit together with all other statues and images which were placed on pedestals, and brought them to the capital where they were laid before the Jami Masjid for being trodden under foot by the Musalmans.”
I would not post more of this content, because Aquil might again say that I am instigating and using unparliamentary instances here.
Maulana #1:
Name Of The Book: Hindustan Islami Ahad mein (India under Islamic Rule)
Name Of The Historian: Maulana Abdul Hai.
About The Author: He is a highly respected scholar and taken as an authority on Islamic history. Because of his scholarship and his services to Islam, Maulana Abdul Hai was appointed as the Rector of the Darul Nadwa Ullum Nadwatal-Ulama. He continued in that post till his death in February 1923.
The following section is taken from the chapter Hindustan ki Masjidein (The mosques of India) of the above mentioned book. Here we can see a brief description of few important mosques in India and how each one of them was built upon plundered Hindu temples.
Qawwat al-Islam Mosque at Delhi: “According to my findings the first mosque of Delhi is Qubbat al-Islam or Quwwat al_Islam which, Qutubud-Din Aibak constructed in H. 587 after demolishing the hindu temple built by Prithvi Raj and leaving certain parts of the temple outside the mosque proper; and when he returned from Ghazni in H. 592 he started building, under orders from Shihabud -Din Ghori, a huge mosque of inimitable red stones, and certain parts of the temple were included in the mosque…”
The Mosque at Jaunpur: “This was built by Sultan Ibrahim Sharqi with chiselled stones. Originally it was a Hindu temple after demolishing which he constructed the mosque. It is known as the Atala Masjid..”
The Mosque at Qanauj: “It is well known that this mosque was built on the foundations of some Hindu temple that stood here. The mosque was built by Ibrahim Sharqi in H. 809 as is recorded in Gharbat Nigar”
Jami Masjid at Etwah: “This mosque stands on the bank of the Jamuna at Etawah. There was a Hindu temple at this place, on the site of which this mosque was constructed..”
Babri Masjid at Ayodhya: “This mosque was constructed by Babar at Ayodhya which Hindus call the birth place of Ramchandraji… Sita had a temple here in which she lived and cooked for her husband. On that very site Babar constructed this mosque in H.963 ”
Mosque at Benaras: “Mosque of Benares was built by Alamgir Aurangzeb on the site of Bisheshwar Temple. That temple was very tall and held as holy among Hindus. On this very site and with those very stones he constructed a lofty mosque, and its ancient stones were rearranged after being embedded in the walls of the mosque. It is one of the renowned mosques of Hindustan.”
Mosque at Mathura: “Alamgir Aurangzeb built a mosque at Mathura. This mosque was built on site of the Govind Dev Temple which was very strong and beautiful as well as exquisite..”
Maulana #1:
Name Of The Book: Taju’l-Ma’sir
Name Of The Historian: Sadru’d-Din Muhammed Hasan Nizamii
About The Author: The author was born at Nishapur in Khurusan. He had to leave his ancestral place because of the Mongol invasion. He came to India and started writing his history in AD 1205.
The Muslim Rulers He Wrote About:
Sultan Muhammed Ghuri (AD 1175-1206)
Ajmer (Rajasthan)
“He destroyed the pillars and foundations of the idol temples and built in their stead mosques and colleges, and the precepts of Islam, and the customs of the law were divulged and established…”
Kuhram and Samana (Punjab)
“The Government of the fort of Kohram and Samana were made over by the Sultan to Kutuu-din..He purged by his sword the land of Hind from the filth of infidelity and vice, and freed it from the thorn of God-plurality, and the impurity of idol-worship and by his royal vigour and intrepidity, left not one temple standing…”
Meerut (Uttar Pradesh)
“Kutub-d din marched from Kohran and when he arrived at Meerut which is one of the celebrated forts of the country of Hind, for the strength of its foundations and superstructure, and its ditch, which was as broad as the ocean and fathomless- an army joined him, sent by the dependent chiefs of the country. The fort was captured, and a Kotwal was appointed to take up his station in the fort, and all the idol temples were converted into mosques.”
Delhi
“He then marched and encamped under the fort of Delhi…The city and its vicinity were freed from idols and idol-worhips, and in the sanctuaries of the images of the Gods, nosques were raised by the worshippers of one God. Kutub-d din built the Jami Masjid at Delhi and adorned it with stones and gold obtained from the temples which had been demolished by the elephants, and covered it with inscriptions in Toghra, containing the divine commands.”
Varanasi (Uttar Pradesh)
“From that place (Asni) the royal armi proceeded towards Benares which is the center of the country of Hind and here they destroyed nearly 1000 temples, and raised mosques on their foundations and the knowledge of the law became promulgated, and the foundations of religion were established..”
Aligarh (Uttar Pradesh)
“There was a certain tribe in the neighbourhood of Kol which had..occasioned much trouble..Three bastions were raised as high as heaven with their heads, and their carcases became the food of beasts of prey. That tract was freed from idols and idol-worship and the foundation of infidelity were destroyed”..
Bayana (Rajasthan)
“When Kutub-d din heard of Sultan’s march from Ghazna, he was much rejoiced and advanced as far as Hansi to meet him.. In the year AH 592 (AD 1196), they marched towards Thangar, and the center of idolatry and perdition became the abode of glory and splendour..”
Kalinjar (Uttar Pradesh)
“In the year AH 599 (Ad 1202), Kutub-d din proceeded to the investment Kalinjar, on which expedition he was accompanied by the Sahib-Kiran, Shamsu-d din Altmash… The temples were converted into mosques and abodes of goodness, and the ejaculations of bead counters and voices of summoners to prayer ascended to high heaven, and the very name of idolatry was annihilated..”
Sultan Shamsu’d-Din Iltutmish (AD 1210-1236)
Delhi
“The Sultan then returned from Jalor to Delhi..and after his arrival ‘not a vestige or name remained of idol temples which had raised their heads on high; and the light of faith shone out from the darkness of infidelity..and the moon of religion and the state became resplendent from the heaven of prosperity and glory.”
The Epigraphic Evidence to prove that Hindu temples were converted to Islamic structures by the barbaric Muslim Invaders.
Name of the structure: Jami’ Masjid
Location: Malan in Gujrat
Inscription:
“…(The Prophet), on him be peace, says ‘He who builds a mosque in the world, the Exalted Allah builds for him a palace in Paradise.’ In the auspicious time of the government and peaceful time of Mahmud Shah, son of Muhammad Shah, the sultan, the Jami’, mosque was constructed on the hill of the fort of Malun (or Malwan) by Khan-i-Azam Ulugh Khan…at the request of the thandar Kabir, (son of Diya), the building was constructed by the son of Ulugh Khan who is magnimonius, just, generous, brave and who suppressed the wrteched infidels. He eradicated the idol-houses and mine of infidelity, along with the idols… with the edge of his sword, and made ready this edifice… He made its walls and doors out of the idols; the back of every stone became the place for prostration of the believer…”
Name of the structure: Mansuri Masjid
Location: Vijapur in Gujrat
Inscription:
“The Blessed and Exalted Allah says, ‘And verily, mosques are for Allah only; hence invoke not anyone else with Allah.’ This edifice was originally built by the infidels. After the advent of Islam, it was converted into a mosque. Sermon was delivered here for sixty-seven years. Due to the sedition of the infidels, it was again destroyed. When during the reign of the Sultan of the time, Ahmad, the affairs of each Iqta attained magnificence, Bahadur, the Sarkhail, once again carried out repairs. Through the generosity of Divine munificence, it became like new.”
Name of the structure: Jami’ Masjid
Location: Amod in Gujrat
Inscription:
“Allah and His grace. When divine favour was bestowed on Khalil Shah, he constructed the Jami’ Masjid for the decoration of Islam; he ruined the idol-house and temple of the polytheists, (and) completed the Masjid and pulpit in its place. Without doubt, his building was accepted by Allah.”
Name of structure: Gachinala Masjid
Location: Kurnool District of Andhra Pradesh
Inscription:
“He is Allah, may be glorified..During the august rule of…Muhammed Shah, there was a well established idol-house in Kuhmum…Muhammed Salih…razed to the ground, the edifice of the idol-house and broke the idols in a manly fashion. He constructed on its site a suitable mosque, towering above the building of all.”
Name of structure: Jami Masjid
Location: Ghoda in Maharashtra
Inscription:
“O Allah O Muhammed ! O Ali ! When Mir Muhammed Zaman made up his mind, he opened the door of prosperity on himself by his own hand. He demolished thirty-three idol temples and by divine grace laid the foundation of a building in the abode of predition.”
Some of the Temples converted into Mosques are:
Epigraphic evidences:
1. Quwwat al-Islam Masjid, Qutb Minar, Delhi by Qutbud-Din Aibak in 1192 A.D.
2. Masjid at Manvi in the Raichur District of Karnataka, Firuz Shah Bahmani, 1406-07 A.D
3. Jami Masjid at Malan, Palanpur Taluka, Banaskantha District of Gujarat: The Jami Masjid was built by Khan-I-Azam Ulugh Khan, The date of construction is mentioned as 1462 A.D. in the reign of Mahmud Shah I (Begada) of Gujarat.
4. Hammam Darwaza Masjid at Jaunpur in Uttar Pradesh, Its chronogram yields the year 1567 A.D. in the reign of Akbar, the Great Mughal
5. Jami Masjid at Ghoda in the Poona District of Maharashtra, The inscription is dated 1586 A.D. when the Poona region was ruled by the Nizam Shahi sultans of Ahmadnagar
6. Gachinala Masjid at Cumbum in the Kurnool District of Andhra Pradesh, The date of construction is mentioned as 1729-30 A.D. in the reign of the Mughal Emperor Muhammad Shah.
Literary evidences:
7. Jhain[name of the place], Jalalud-Din Firuz Khalji went to the place and ordered destruction of temples, mentioned in Miftah-ul-Futuh.
8. Devagiri, Alaud-Din Khalji destroyed the temples of the idolaters, mentioned in Miftah-ul-Futuh.
9. Somanath, Ulugh Khan, mentioned in Tarikh-i-Alai
10. Delhi, , Alaud-Din Khalji , Tarikh-i-Alai
11. Ranthambhor, mentioned in Tarikh-i-Alai
12. Brahmastpuri (Chidambaram), Malik Kafur, Tarikh-i-Alai
13. Madura, mentioned in Tarikh-i-Alai
14. Fatan: (Pattan), mentioned in Ashiqa
15. Malabar: (Parts of South India), Tarikh-i-Alai
16 The Mosque at Jaunpur. This was built by Sultan Ibrahim Sharqi
17 The Mosque at Qanauj it was built by Ibrahim Sharqi
18 Jami (Masjid) at Etawah. it is one of the monuments of the Sharqi Sultans
19 Babri Masjid at Ayodhya . This mosque was constructed by Babar at Ayodhya
20 Mosques of Alamgir (Aurangzeb)
According to the reports of Archeological survey of India:
21 Tordi (Rajasthan)- early or middle part of the 15th century
22 Naraina (Rajasthan)- The mosque appears to have been built when Mujahid Khan, son of Shams Khan, took possession of Naraina in 1436 A.D
23 Chatsu (Rajasthan)- At Chatsu there is a Muhammadan tomb erected on the eastern embankment of the Golerava tank. The tomb which is known as Gurg Ali Shah’s chhatri is built out of the spoils of Hindu buildings. The inscription mention saint Gurg Ali (wolf of Ali) died a martyr on the first of Ramzan in 979 A.H. corresponding to Thursday, the 17th January, 1572 A.D.
24 SaheTh-MaheTh (Uttar Pradesh)
25 Sarnath (Uttar Pradesh)- the inscriptions found there extending to the twelfth century A.D
26 Vaishali (Bihar)
27 Gaur and Pandua (Bengal)- The oldest and the best known building at Gaur and Pandua is the Ãdîna Masjid at Pandua built by Sikandar Shãh, the son of Ilyãs Shãh. The date of its inscription may be read as either 776 or 770, which corresponds with 1374 or 1369 A.D. The materials employed consisted largely of the spoils of Hindu temples and many of the carvings from the temples have been used as facings of doors, arches and pillars
28 Devikot (Bengal)- The Dargah of Sultan Pir, The Dargah of Shah Ata are the Muhammadan shrines built on the site of an old Hindu temple
29 Tribeni (Bengal)
thank you very much jai shree ram ji,for the great information you gave on hindu temples demolished by muslims in india, during muslim era hundreds and thousands of temples were demolished and still are been demolished all over the world, but there is no value of hindu sentiments in the vision of muslims, after demolishing only one babri masjid what a horriffic ussue has been made by the muslims, they are not ready to forget the incident at any cost and are again and again cusing hindus for that , even our very great mr aquil jii,now quil i asked you mr aquil and all your very great muslim brothers after only a one babri basjid demolished you people are hurt so much ,you are not willing to forget the incident at any cost…. think what we people would have suffered, and how much our sentiments would have hurt, you should really feel what we are feeling on the example of babri masjid…but you people dont understand others feelings, thousands of our temples were destryed and are been destroyed but do you people feel soory for us ?? noooo…..why ? coz you only one religion islam, and you have no respect for any other religion in the world, you people dont even have respest for humanity, then how could you have a respect for a releigion. may allah show you path of reality, jai shree ram, jai hind………….
very interesting article. on most issues I agree with the author:)
i agreed with author. thanksq
Vinayak, Aquil might have felt left alone as he was cornered. But he forgot the had the support of Admins and Moderators of this website too. I think Aquil would be back with a group of 1000-1500 Jihadi Moslems just like how they did in Godhra and plan an attack on us. Let us show them Godhra is an incident we cannot forget and we will never let it happen again.
They will never believe Nanavati Report or any other report, that proves that Moslems were behind the attack at Godhra. Show me a single instance, where in they have believed the reports. They never ever do accept the justice of the nation/Comissions.
It has been proven from time to time, that most of the apathies faced by Hindus are a gift of Moslems. Moslems always try to make sure that they inflict the much needed torture to Hindus. They never can live in peace and soverginity.
Admins/Moderators/Anyone, Do you have a backup of the posts I have posted till now. I do not have those and our dearest admins have deleted it. Admins, I was wondering if there is anyway you can send the the posts. 😀
yes jai shree ram, what you are saying is a truth…. we will try our level best to show the reality to quil and all muslims who will come in contact wid us, may allah show them a path of reality……..jai shree ram, jai hind..
Show me a single instance, when Hindus were not tortured or had to face the warth of these moslems. Hindus were always tortured by them, they were always supported by Political Parties. Most of the politicians are symphatizers of Moslems. They can do anything and stoop down to any extent to safe guard their vote banks. Amar Singh for instance, in the recent Delhi’s Batla House Police Shootout, said that Police killed innocent moslems there and he will support Moslems with anything they ask for. This is a niche example of Hindu’s, who symphatize with Moslems and encourage them to keep killing other Hindu’s, as hindus are Kafirs for Moslems.
Vote bank of 45% (25% Christian + 20% Muslim) only is needed for any political party to get power in India (by dividing the Hindu vote). With proliferation and illegal immigration from Bangladesh, Muslims can be upto 25%, some say even 30%.
See, how Hindus and the Hindus Template are degraded by our very own politicians
First Example: Hindu Festivals Holi and Janmashtami are no more compulsory holidays in India (recent Govt. GO)
Maharashtra Proposal to Take Over Four Lakh Temple Trusts (Mosques Excluded)
The Maharashtra government is proposing legislation which will empower the state to take over all religious shrines.
If the legislation is enacted it will place all Hindu, Jain, Christian and Buddhist shrines under government control. The law, however, makes no mention of Aukaf land (Muslim religious bequests) which are located all over the state.
Y.S. Jagan Mohan Reddy, son of Y.S. Rajasekhar Reddy once again publicly affirmed his family’s intolerance towards the Hindu religion by blowing up the Sunkulamma Temple in Obullapuram Village in Anantapur District. Jagan and his friend Janardhan Reddy used powerful bombs and grounded the Temple which is highly revered by the locals. Though some Congressmen claimed that Jagan did that as part of his illegal iron mining business, questions are being raised about whether he would have blown up a church under similar circumstances.
In Thondi and Rasathipuram Municipalities (in Ramanathpuram and Vellore Districts), the local bodies were secured by Muslims. Both Municipalities have denied civic amenities, funds for schools, garbage clearing etc., and sent notices in Urdu. Hindus were bluntly told to convert to Islam if they wanted civic facilities.
Wahabi’s (Saudi’s) are building madrassas all over India for immersion into militant Islam. Madrassas and mosques, particularly the Saudi Arabian supported Wahabis have little tolerance for Kuffars (those who do not follow Muslim religion). Muslim children are continuously taught that Hinduism is a false religion.
Control of Media (full or partial interests)
[ WHILE THE SPECIFICS BELOW NEED TO BE VERIFIED, THE TACTICS, EXTENT AND
SCALE, ARE INCONTROVERTIBLE. ]
a) The Hindu, India’s National Newspaper: Joshua Society, Berne, Switzerland (Hindu editor N. Ram’s wife is Christian)
b) NDTV: Funded by Gospels of Charity in Spain
c) CNN-IBN: 100% Funded by Southern Baptist Church
d) The Times of India Group: Owned by Bennet & Coleman; 80% funding from WORLD CHRISTIAN COUNCIL, (and the balance 20% is equally shared by an Englishman and an Italian. The Italian ROBERTIO MINDO IS A CLOSE RELATIVE OF SONIA GANDHI ).
e) STAR TV: Supported by St.Peter’s Pontificial Church, Melbourne, Australia.
f) HINDUSTAN TIMES: Owned by the Birla Group, but working in collaboration with the Times Group.
g) INDIAN EXPRESS: DIVIDED INTO TWO GROUPS. THE INDIAN EXPRESS & NEW INDIAN EXPRESS (SOUTHERN EDITION). Acts Ministries has major stake in the Indian express and later is still with the Indian counterpart
h) EENADU : To date controlled by an Indian named Ramoji Rao
i) Andhra Jyothi : The MUSLIM PARTY OF HYDERABAD known as (MIM) along with a Congress Minister has purchased this Telugu daily very recently.
j) The Statesman: Controlled by the Communist Party of India
k) Kairali TV: Controlled by the Communist Party of India (Marxist)
l) Mathrubhoomi: leaders of the Muslim league and Communist Leaders have major investment.
m) Asian Age & Deccan Chronicle: Are owned by a Saudi Arabian Company with its chief Editor M.J.AKBAR.
Use the media to dilute Hindu faith. An example is the recent show, Jyothi of Sabarimalai on NDTV, questioning the Hindu faith.
Strategies followed by media to degrade Hinduism.
Baripada Incident in Orissa: News that was splashed all over the media and the Internet, that a Hindu fundamentalist raped a nun, was found to be totally fabricated, upon later investigation. However, the media does not even bother to publish later findings. The initial news items are still being used to get more money from Churchgoers in West. Many such cases are engineered or full of lies.
Kanchi Sankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati’s arrest on framed-up charges has a lot to do with his efforts in bringing Dalits into the Hindu fold by building Hindu temples in Dalit areas and engaging in discussions with them. (To this day no evidence
was found against him)
Seek out and convert temple building masons and architects, so that no new Temples can ever be built in the world. Convert people involved in the Hindu festival (e.g. Kumbh Mela) infrastructure, such as boatsmen, etc., so that devotees will be so inconvenienced as not to come for such Melas.
India needs more leaders like Shri Narendra Modi, who have a vision. A vision to see a Hindustan, a pure HINDUstan.
Saare Hindu Bhaiyon ko Diwali ki shub kaamnaayein.
How you think when the economic crisis will end? I wish to make statistics of independent opinions!
It is said that the Muslims burnt the train and the people were burnt alive. But till date i havent seen a full proof for this claim!!! Why so? And moreover, whatever may be the total sum, the Muslims were killed the most!
It is said that the Muslims burnt the train and the people were burnt alive. But till date i havent seen a full proof for this claim!!! Why so? And moreover, whatever may be the total sum, the Muslims were killed the most! And yes, even innocent people from the Hindu community were killed! Does this lead to development? Instead of the media people telling that so many Muslims or Hindus died, they must be telling so many innocent people died! This will show unity! Whatever may be the sum of Muslims and Hindus dead, but these many people FROM OUR COUNTRY have died!
Nanavati Commission Report is enough a proof to show that the Godhra Train burning was well organised and pre-planned.Buying and stocking of 140 liters of petrol in a guest house in a muslim dominated area and shifting of the same to the spot where it was used to burn the bogey with Hindus inside was properly explained with names of who did what.And all the accused are under police custody now even the owner of the above said guest house is in jail now.Statements of all the accused were taken and were used against them in court.But media is not interested in Godhra since it was Hindus who died they are only bothered when Muslims die
90 Crore Hindus of India believes that the Godhra Train Burning was preplanned and organised.But Many of these Hindus have different Political affiliations so they give different opinions in Public so as not to hurt the minority sentiments,eventhough they know the truth at their hearts
Rajnith, whatever might be, but we have to accept that there is alot of corruption within our country. These were the same claims made during Malgoan blasts. The police had proofs also that the Muslims had done it. Moreover, they had statements too from various people telling that they were involved in the blasts. The media people too would provide us with all the possible proofs ( God knows from where they used to get those bogus proofs ). And what was proved in the end? It was proved that the Hindus had done it. Purohit had done it. So, it’s not always that we can totally rely on the media. Yes, we can believe it upto one extent because we personally have no access to those criminals. But more than a certain limit might harm us and our aim (to get unity among the people).
As i gave you the example of Malgoan blasts, there are many more instances which people are not aware about.
If we want a country to prosper, we have to take interest in both, the majority as well as the minority. It might be that the majority is prefered at a certain time and at some point the minority is prefered. But, we cannot conclude that the majority or the minority are a nuisance.
Hindus believed that the burning of Godhra train was done by Muslims, and they retaliated. But when the riots took place, what happened? Double of Muslims were killed! Pregnant ladies were gang-raped, kids were burnt alive, women were beaten up, did that show humanity in anyway? The burning of Godhra train took place due to extremists, but the riots were not done by the extremists. The riots took place due to the people themselves. Is this the love people have in their heart for their fellowbeings? In this way, we cannot prosper! There are times when a group of people die and people believe that the majority or the minority did it, but that doesnt mean that we have to kill and revolt to such an extent that we kill double the people! Moreover, after these revolts, leave aside people having hatred in their hearts, the kids who go through all this, come out to the criminals or harmful for the society. So, by doing all this, in the end we are harming out own country!
Dear Zain..If you Go through the statistics of deaths due to terror attacks in India from 1980 onwards till 2006 it will come to 13859 out of which 13400 are Hindus.Now in 2007-08 one case was directed against hindus,ier malegaon where 6 muslims were killed, but that too is not produced before court and is lacking evidence..From 1989 starting onwards The Kashmiri Jihadists with the support of Pakisthani terrorists & JKLF had tortured and killed more than 11000 Kashmiri Pandits and now 700000 Kashmiri Pandits are living in Refugee camps at Jammu and Delhi( these are officially recorded numbers and the real numbers will be much more).But no Media or Human Rights Watch or Other Human right Organizations are bothered about deaths of Hindus in Kashmir where they are minorities
Yes, i do understand that, but as i said we cannot tell that the majority is creating a nuisance or the minority. Both are equally responsible for it. There are times when the minority are oppressed and they revolt whereas there are times when the majority are oppressed and they revolt. But we must understand, by revolting, we are adversely effecting our own country! Also, due to corruption, there are many cases and situations which are unsolved that leaves us with half information and misunderstanding towards it. At some point, the majority are prefered whereas at some point, the minority are prefered. And regarding the Pakistani Jihadists, India has been asking Pakistan to look into the matter but Pakistan is the 1 which is showing no interest. India has to maintain a good relation with them and cannot announce a war because Pakistan is getting equally powerful now. And also, if a war is announced, just imagine how many more innocent people might be killed! And yes, as i said, once again i repeat, majority as well as the minority are responsible for this. The Kashmiris tortured and killed the Pandits. What did the Hindus do during riots? They tortured and killed kids also! That too dint show humanity.
Look Corruption is something which is in noway directly related to communal tensions.
If you look into the history of riots in India you may find many well planned and organised riots which took place in 1940s.I can give sonme examples like the Great Calcutta Riots(aftermath of Direct action Day) in which the Chief Minister of the province himself(Mr.Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawady ) was instigating muslim mobs to go and slaughter Hindus by promising them that he will keep Police forces under control and when riots started He Himself went to Commissioner office which eventually rendered the police inactive and as a result of this thousands of Hindus were slaughtered.The official recoeds were not less than 4000.Then this riot spreaded to Bihar and other parts of the Country and in Naokhali in Bihar thousands of Hindus were slaughtered and women were raped and killed.Gujarat has a long History of Riots in which Hindus continuously were the losers ,now when the muslim death toll crossed that of hindus during Gujarat Riots this is how media is reacting ie by spitting venom on Hindus.
Ranjith, being a Muslims i can tell you there have been instances in India when i have been given second preferance. And you too feel the same. This is related to corruption. Dont you think so? You just gave the example of Calcutta riots where the authority had asked the police force not to take any action. The same thing had happen during Gujarat riots where Narendra Modi had asked the police force not to do anything. The Muslims were being killed right infront of the police but they wouldnt do anything whereas when the Muslims killed the Hindus, the police too would attack the Muslims. In both the cases, this happened due to corruption. Had Narendra Modi or Huseyn Shaheed worked for the country irrespective of Hindu majority or Muslims minority and stopped the riots, this wouldnt have happened. Both, majority as well as minority are equally suffering.
During Mumbai riots ( 1992-93 ), death of Muslims was again greater in number than compared to the Hindus. There have been times when the Hindus are killed the most, whereas there are times when the Muslims are killed the most. Due to a particular group or an individuals interest ( ie, corription ) the common people have to suffer which lateron leads to hatred in their heart.
Look There is no proof that Narendra Modi has Done so.Even the Banerjee Commission posted by the Railway Ministry under Laloo Yadav didnt say so.It is a very popular belief that Modi has organised the riots,and we believe that this is acieved through the biased media reporting.Most of the leading media channels and Dailies in India has their majoir stakes contrilled by Arab Millionaires,Communists & by Australian & British Organizations and they always spit venom against BJP and Hindus.You are fantacizing and telling something which neither you nor anybody else has seen.that police attacking and killing muslims along with mobs.Suhrawady is not alone in rioting against Hindus.The Hyderabad Nizam & His Razakars& Moplah Rebellion in Kerala.
Ya I too agree that common people now have hatred in their Hearts,but who created it..? Media & its false reporting & Anti-Hindu Propoganda.Look India is a Country which originated from a civilization which is more than 12000 years old ie it dates back to 10000B.C.But have you seen any of the remnants of this culture or its artforms in North India..?You will not see..But You can see several traditional artforms in South India like Bharatnatyam,Mohiniyattam,Kuchipudi,Yakshagana,Kathakali,Koodiyattam,Krishnanattam ete etc.Do you know why..? Because of 600 years of Oppressive Muslim rule in North.They werent able to come to South Indis until 1565 and even after that they were prevented by Mysore Kingdom,Tanjavur Nayaks & Maratthas.So the culture and tradition was preserved in South
Dear Zain
Narandra Modi is working in the best Interest of the Nation.He has converted the barren Gujarat nto a wonderful state with High class Infrastructure & Surplus Power.
Gujarat controls some of the largest businesses in India. Major Agricultural produce of the state include cotton, groundnuts, peanuts, dates, sugar cane, milk & milk products. Industrial products include cement, and petrol.
19% of India’s Industrial Output
10% of its Mineral Production
80% of India’s Salt production
20% of its exports
25% of its textile production
40% of India’s pharmaceutical products
47% petrochemical production
Largest Sea shore, 1670 km.
The world’s largest ship breaking yard is in Gujarat near Bhavnagar at Alang. Reliance Petroleum Limited, one of the group companies of Reliance Industries Limited founded by Dhirubhai Ambani operates the oil refinery at Jamnagar which is the world’s largest grass-roots refineries. The company has also planned another SEZ(special economic zone), in Jamnagar.
Gujarat ranks first nationwide in gas-based thermal electricity generation with national market share of over 8% and second nationwide in nuclear electricity generation with national market share of over 1%.
Over 20% of the S&P CNX 500 conglomerates have corporate offices in Gujarat.
As per RBI report, in year 2006-07, 26% out of total bank finance in India was in Gujarat
Ranjith, Agreed, Narendra Modi has done enough for Gujarat on the Industrial side. But still, we cannot forget that his hands are tainted with blood of innocent people. If you dont believe any medias then how come you conclude that he is innocent? What do you think about the Bakery case, where a pregnant women was raped by 8 men and her whole family was brutalized in her presence. Did Modi even utter a word to condemn it? Or for that matter any other heinous crime committed. Just for your calculation, in the Gujarat, Mumbai, Hyderabad and all other riots, if you honestly look into it you will notice that 10 Muslims are killed for every 1 Hindu. This includes by hooligans and police collectively. I am not trying to justify the death of even 1 Hindu against the death of 10 Muslims, but, instances like these make way for birth of young guys who are lured to terrorism. Let’s be honest, identify and bravely accept the rootcause of such incidents.
Mr Zain- you are being misguided and deliberately provoked by the media. The fact is- out of 14 people killed in Best Bakery 3 are HINDUS. There were no rapes that day.
Narendra Modi FRANTICALLY CALLED THE ARMY TO AHMEDABAD ON FEB 28 according to The Hindu of the next day-i.e. 1 March 2002. Close to 200 people were shot dead by police-out of whom 60% are Hindus. Mr Zain, 254 Hindus were also killed in the Gujarat riots- Muslims attacked and killed hundreds of Hindus in Gujarat-even after Godhra.
I guess I’m really lucky to have been born as a Hindu…and I really thank God for that. It has saved me from a hell lot of things. I am not usualy referred to as a ‘terrorist’ as many of my Muslim friends are, I have not been raped or butchered to death for being a muslim, people dont hesitate to voice their anti muslim openions infront of me, I’m glad that I have never felt alone because of the religion I practice, I have not been prosecuted or framed under fake cases…I am glad I am still alive! bleeding
Zain..The statistics of Hindu deaths during terror attacks and Kashmir terrorism I have already shown you..If you are still not convinced ,better you search yourself.As you told that Modi’s hands have blood in it.Tell me the name of one Indian Muslim Ruler including those of 20th century who never led any campaign against Hindus or who never slaughtered hindus.Even the Nizam of Junagadh & that of Hyderabad,Bengal and the de-factorulers of Mysire Raja’s Hyder & Tipu were islamic fanatics who converted the Hindus of South western coast of India including Nairs & Nambiar Chieftains of Kerala.Many Nambiar,Nair & Ezhava chieftains and soldiers of Kerala were slaughtered and forcibly Converted during their reign,even though Hyder & even Tipu were just the generals of Chamaraja Wodayar a Hindu King.
The Khilafat Movement of India during 1920s which started as a protest against abolition of Caliphite in Turkey eventually became Moplah rebellion in which thousands of Hindus were slaughtered & converted and women gangraped.I have heard frightening stories of Khilafat movement from my grandfather.What did the poor Hindus of Kerala do to abolish Caliphite in Turkey..?Why were Hindus targetted during Khilafat..?
Another thing the most linient king of Mughals the Akbar himself was a fanatic who ordered the slaughter of 30000 Rajputs who surrendered unconditionally during the Siege of Chittorgadh fort.And hids soldiers consisting of Turks,Afgans and Pathan filled their shoes with Rajput blood and poured that blood on the diety of the temple inside Chittorgadh fort.It was Akbar who changed the name of Prayag the holy place of Hindus where the three rivers which hindus revers as mother goddesses meet into Allahabad.And akbar had banned construction of temple in his empire,From 1206 till mid 1700s not even one single temple or Hindu monument was built in North India due to the Secular muslim rule.And even during Akbar’s rule Hindus paid Jizya.
Why mentioning history,the malappuram district of kerala is a muslim dominated state where hindus are a minority and are leading a life of fear.once upon a time this district used to be part of Walluvanad kingdom and majority was Hindus and after Khilafat movement and subsequent Moplah Rebellion only it became a muslim majority district.
The British census of Kashmir valley in 1911 says that 26% of the population of Kashmir valley were Kashmiri Pandits,In 1947 it was 16% and in 2004 it was 0.1% ie from 70% the muslim population rose into 99.9%..It doesnt seem natural to us.
Kashmir is getting many favours from India,Govt is spending for the betterment of living conditions of the people of the valley.In last 15 years the valley has never seen a death due to poverty and muslims of the valley are given reservations for govt jobs and educational institutions even though they are the majority,Muslims of India are given Huj subsidy in India,which no other country in the world does.But still when Amarnath temple needed some land for accomodating pilgrims the so called secular muslims of Kashmir agitated against it and started riot and threats of joining pakistan.and no political party of India other than BJP supported Hindus of J&K who are actually minorities there,but instead the Hindus were suppressed with brute force.And when BJP won 11 seats in India the so called Secular Bast**ds including Gulam Nabi Azad were expressing concerns over BJPs growth and was blaming BJP for the communal polarisation of Kashmir.Any Human being in his senses understands what is going on in Kashmir and who is communalisisng Kashmir.In 1989 even the Urdu local newspapers and local radio stations of Kashmir were campaigning jihad against Hindus of Kashmir and finally ended up in torturing and killing the innocent Kashmiri Pandits who once staunchly supported their muslim brothers in Independent Kashmir movement.What does that say..?Now the Pandits has learnt the lessons of their lifes but alas most of them lost their lives in the hands of Jihadis..
Mr.Zain instead of blindly swallowing the newspapers and channels..try to get some info about the Banerjee Commission report and the Nanavati commission report.The Nanvati Commission was posted by Gujarat govt and Banerjee commission by Railway ministry under Laloo Yadav.then prove the Modi’s role in the riots.Even the Banerjee commission has reported that there is no proofs to justify Modi’s “direct” or “indirect” involvement in the riot.
a I know about Best bakery case in which Bilkis Bano was raped and all the accused are arrested and was tried that also in Mumbai far Gujarat and was punished.But how come you are saying Narendra Modi is involved in that..? An angry mob has done that and they are given the punishment for what they have done.
The rape of Hinduwomen & slaughter of Hinduchildren occured during Gujarat riots also as it has occured during Moplah rebellion,Calcutta Riots,Noakhali Massacre,Razakar movement and many other riots & rebellions in the hands of Muslim mobs but in secular India media is not interested in Hindu deaths,so they report only muslim deaths
Dear Ranjith- The saying is old but true ”If you live in history, you become history”. What has happened 100 to 300yrs back is not what we have seen or lived. It will be too stupid to live in that era. We live in today and let’s make it livable. Secondly, comparing figures of the death of Muslims or Hindus would once again be foolish. The need of the hour is to get to the root of the problems and that too very honestly. Playing blame games is not going to help anybody. Being an Indian, I am very much hurt with the sorry state of affairs in India. Malegoan blasts: top ranking politicians, high ranking military personnals, most of the govt machinery were involved directly or indirectly. For your referance Bhonsla military academy in Nashik- no actions taken. Had this been a Muslim related institute, the officials would have closed it down and arrested the top heads. Let me tell you, no country has survived the fire of discrimination. This fire has engulfed complete nations.
My Friend, Let’s be matured, 2 wrongs dont make 1 right. No civilized human can in anyway justify the killing of another human let it be from another caste, creed or religion.
Dear Rahul- Let’s for a minute believe that your facts are authentic but as a normal human or a good family man, can you justify the killing of any other human and then start counting dead bodies and be happy that one body from your group was lesser than your opposite group.
Dear Prachi- Well, everyone love their religion and so do you and me. I have never felt bad for being born as a Muslim. I am proud of it! And neither have I ever felt alone because of my religion. There are many misunderstandings about Islam which have been created by the extremists. Eg: What is Jihad? Jihad doesnt mean just killing of Non-Muslims. It has alot more to it. Jihad happens when 2 groups are ready for the fight or battle. And Jihad does not include kids and women. They are not allowed for Jihad even if they wish to. And also, in this era, Jihad is very hard because it is just like a battle. These battles were possible in those days but not now. Jihad does not include killing of innocent and no justifications can be given for that.
Zain the saying is applicable to you also.ie ”If you live in history, you become history”.The riots occured in 2002 and Gujarat has gone far beyond that and victims both hindus and muslims has faced the aftermath of it and are now leading their life hopefully happily.Qutbuddin Ansari is defnitely living happily.But still you are carrying the brunt in your heart..and campaigning against Modi saying there is blood in his hands and is not ready to accept the good deeds that he had done for Gujarat & you personally dont like people accepting him.If you go through the Rajinder Sachar Commission report(posted by UPA central govt for study of living conditions of minorities) you will know that the All India Average of representation of Muslims in Govt service is 2.5% and That of Gujarat under Modi is 4.2% ie 1.7% greater than the national average..And the Rajiv Gandhi Award for Best Chief Minister of India was given to Modi by none other than Sonia Gandhi who called Modi Merchant of death a few months before that.As per you He( Modi) was incapable of handling the riots of gujarat but He was defnitely capable of developing Gujarat and to protect its people from unemployment..
I do agree that i too was discussing about something that happened years back. But this is just 8yrs back. Anyhow, this was just a normal discussion we were having. Yes, i too hope that all the people live happily not only in Gujarat but everywhere else too. And regarding Narendra Modi, yes, he did alot on the Industrial side for Gujarat, no doubts in that and thumbs up for him!!! But as far as protecting his people was concerned, i feel he could have done better there too which he did not. I have heard few frightening incidents which could be put under control but was not. I just hope that our country elects people who dont just look after the interest of the majority or the minority, but, work for the interest of the people and the country.
May India prosper 🙂
What Modiji did is right. It is a pity that even his bretheren chose to believe the faulty media. But, how ever Modiji proved he was right. As Guruji said, only powerful has the right to speak of peace. Modiji proved Hindus are not alaways the scapegoats. Now muslims in Gujarat know the blow they got is not an offence but a game of defence played by the hindus. Long live Modiji. VANDHE MAATHARAM
Hey I agree that what Modi is doing rite now is really good and that the state is really progressing but what he did in 2002 was totally wrong. How can anyone support this act of communism? See for this he should be punished. Common guys he was responsible for the security and safety if the state and then thousands of ppl died bcoz he did not fulfill his duties. think abt it.
I hope Gujarat becomes peaceful and prosperous.
Do a Google search for “India: Justice, the victim – Gujarat state fails to protect women from violence”
A report by Amnesty International, exposes the ugly face of sangh parivar.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA20/001/2005/en/dom-ASA200012005en.html
English Media is spreading Lies about Narendra Modi and Gujarat Riots.
People behind these English Media should be brought to justice and should be sent to jail for spreading Malicious Rumours and Lies about a National Leader like Narendra Modi who is elected CM three times by people of Gujarat.
hmmmm 790 + 254 = 1044 people died, and if there were 919 widows after the riot, that would mean only 125 children and women were killed in riots?? because all other have to be men??? is this a joke, this site is a shame in itself!!
Mr Deepak-
Dotn criticize this site- Criticize Mr Sriprakash Jaiswal and his ‘secular’ party chief Sonia Gandhi for these figures- if you dont believe them!
This site is not a shame at all- it is Congress Party minister who gave these figures. he must have deliberately created some confusion- to hide the bitter truth that only 790 Muslims were killed in the riots- the Congress wants to inflate this figure to as high as possible!
Only 223 people are missing- assuming all of them are dead- how high does the toll go?
You are a shame Mr Deepak-606 is the number of children orphaned- seems correct too. Instead of 919 riot-affected widows- it must be riot-affected women- thats the only correction that seems to be there. And blame Jaiswal for that- for this site!
Ramesh, you call me a shame?? The funny thing is the party that you are so proud of actually came out of power only after 1 TERM…you tell me what is more shameful?? my criticizing this hypocritical website of them loosing with utter shame to Indian people?? congress has successfully run the government to so many years, even through hard times, of course politicians are corrupt on both sides, but when BJP was given chance, what great it achieved? if it was such a great party, why it could not even get another term?? you looser, so sit in your hole…
Mr Deepak-
It makes no difference which party is in power for how many terms. You are once again- being abusive without countering the arguments. You condemn this site for giving figures of 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus- which are given by the UPA government- but do not have the courage to criticize Sriprakash Jaiswal for giving these figures- the man who actually gave them.
As for power- which party comes to power is immaterial for me.
And as for BJP coming to power in another term- let me tell you that BJP has won EACH AND EVERY ELECTION held in Gujarat since 1990. Congress’ last win in Gujarat was way back in 1985- in the aftermath of Indira Gandhi’s assasination. BJP won with Janata Dal in 1990- and on its own in 1995,1998,2002 and 2007.
Rahul:
let me answer your question in a orderly manner , so your retarded brain can find some rest 🙂
1. You say the numbers are provided by UPA government, let me tell how the government mechanisms works, and it a shame because I live abroad and you are in India and you still seem to be pretty uneducated about it. Any figures, numbers or data for any incident in a state is prepared by local authorities and infrastructure and passed to union government, Union government has no role in investigating such numbers, so UPA is giving number before public what the retarded BJP government is giving them, they cannot make number or tell people the truth because they just don’t have that power.
2. You have said BJP has won each and evry election in Gujarat, then how the hell they lost the Lok sabha elections?? if they are such a great party, why did 80% hindus (majority of them) kick them out of the government after 2004??? Of course BJP has won in gujarat, because they successfully ghettoized the population of gujarat,. fear in mind of poor people that there will backlash,c more blood will spilled, they have successfully spread hatred among muslims among the hindu population using their terrorist wing VHP and Bajrang Dal…
In recent state election, out of 7 election , they have lost 5 elections, any explanation for that?? go wash your face good before you come to answer me…looser
Wash your face with something that will energize your brain- numbskull!
Blaming the figures given by UPA government on BJP is one of the most brianless things anyone can do. If- for argument’s sake- BJP gave these figures- what prevented UPA from denying them and giving their own figures???????
What evidence do you have that BJP gave these figures????
Retarded is your brain- which is worse than the Ostrich’s- because you simply refuse to accept the truth- that only 790 Muslims were killed in the riots- along with 254 Hindus.
As for revent state elctions- out of 7 BJP lost 5????? Really???????? I thought BJP has consistently won elections from 2007- starting with Punjab, Uttarakhand, Gujarat, Karnataka. It only lost Uttar Pradesh- where Congress got a mere 22 seats. As for recent elections- BJP won a clear majority in Madhya Pradesh-despite Uma Bharti’s revolt- and in Chhattisgarh. It lost Rajasthan- but Congress didn’t win either- finishing with 5 seats less than majority. Only in Delhi did Congress get a clear victory.
As for losing elections- even if BJP got ZERO in every state outside Gujarat- or even ZERO in Gujarat- that is immaterial. We are discussing what happened in the 2002 riots- and that has nothing to do with elections.
For your information- BJP has been the single largest party in India since 1996- it got 182 seats in both 1998 and 1999- while Congress has never even crossed 150-since the 1991 Lok Sabha election.
BJP lost its largest party status only in 2004- and that was because of anti-incumbency against BJP allies TDP in Andhra Pradesh- which was in power for 9 years- and AIADMK in Tamil Nadu.
And as for winning Gujarat- you are insulting the people of Gujarat- for voting for BJP. You are unable to accept the fact that the BJP has won clearly in election after election. Your bizzare charges that government ‘terrorized’ Muslims are not even worth repudiating. BJP has won corporation seats with its Muslim candidates winning in Gujarat. Nobody in Gujarat- including Muslims are complaining of any sort of ‘terrorism’- despite the entire media behind them to malign BJP.
You say- Hindus threw out BJP in 2004. What has that got to do with the riots of 2002? Only the December 2002 was fought on the riots of 2002- that too by the media and the Congress- and in that election- people routed the Congress and the media- and BJP won a huge 127 out of 182 seats- Congress getting only 51.
As for 2004-Hindus ‘threw out the BJP’? Really? The party got 138 seats- a mere 7 less than the Congress. BJP won impressive victories in 2004 in Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Karnataka, Uttarakand, Punjab, Orissa, etc.In 2004- it wasnt a national mandate- it was a state mandate- combination of various state mandates.
Your know in all the heated talks, let me be very clear, any sane person who still has any morality and humane self will always condemn human lives lost in riots like 84 , 92 and 02 and other parts of the world! I have always been a criticizer of 84 massacre of Sikhs by Hindu majority under congress rule in Delhi as I am doing it to BJP, but trying to defend any of their actions you are putting your human birth to shame rahul…and know it for a fact!
Now getting to your frustrations, I know BJP is out of power and people are eventually realizing their false ideologies of hate and crime and it is ok for you to be frustrated…
I do know without any argument that you are one of those people who properly understand how system in our country works yet use the “proposed” side of it to you defense…you and me very well know that a party in opposition in any state is as helpless as a rat in front of hungry cat. No matter what congress will protest or do, the investigation, reports and all the state level work is authorized to BJP in Gujarat, and congress cannot just claim to any numbers because it does not have investigation to support it, the number of people that most people believe dies are estimates from social workers, NGO groups and relief organization who have assessed themselves the toll of the riots…You know for a fact that congress has to present official figures in parliament by law as they re given to it by BJP, because congress does not have any authority to do any investigations in that state…
You are talking about what has stopped Congress from showing their own figures, you be aware that after Gujarat riots, when international human rights watchdogs and organizations like amnesty wanted to visit the Gujarat state, this NDA govt had denied access to all of them to carry out a fact finding…only after hundreds of protest were domestic fact finding teams allowed in Gujarat in 2004, you tell me a government that does not allow international authorities to access the real ground situation in that state, will allow its enemy number 1 congress to do any real investigation??
Now tell me what a shameful state is this “only 790 muslims and 254 hindus have dies in riots”, even for the sake of argument one agrees that this number was true, you think dieing of 1000 people is only??? a man who think when 790 muslims dies, it is not that big of deal, what kind of heart do you have?? for you 790 is a small number, but we are talking about peoples lives here, not some cricket score you idiot!! By saying low numbers, you are trying to defend the wrong? Do you want to say that because 790 muslims and 254 hindus died, whatever BJP did was right?? now get your self on a right path..
Talking about current political status, there 10 states in which BJP rules either by majority, will coalition or by supporting an ally, similarly there are 11 states in which congress rules either by majority of by coalition or by supporting an ally. Now, you call of calling BJP the single largest party since 1996 can be expected, but then again one wonders if they are such a great party, why the hell are they out of government?? if people liked their work so much, why didn’t they win in the lok sabha election?? forget the state assembly elections, they were barking the slogans of INDIA SHINING during 2004, what happened to it?? If i believe you, they are a party who always thinks for nation’s welfare, are people that stupid that they kick out a party who is seeking their welfare??
Of course BJP has won Gujarat successfully over the years, and this is the only reason the genocide of muslims in Gujarat was ever possible, years of systematic hatred pulped into people’s mind by RSS, VHP and other organizations like them. You fool, anyone can easily tell why BJP won in 2002 election, you have just made fool out of innocent people by using their emotion to kill thousands, now they re afraid of backlash, of course they will keep you in power, so the BJP can keep abusing human rights and keep them safe! and this is the only reason why BJP still rules Gujarat, on base of hatred and communal ism. BJP has a flawed ideology, a flawed ambition…
You must know Narendra modi is the only Indian leader denied of a tourist VISA to united states, not once but twice!! Because people abroad are not immoral like you, they see the truth, they know him as a criminal, they denied him entry into the states, and that is a slap on his face, as he pretends to be the well wisher of Gujarati’s. Even Advani ji came out and said himself that gujarat riot were something that can never be forgotten, A B vajpayee came out to public and said Gujarat riots were blot on our country, but this shameless person Modi has never regretted killing innocent people once!! Stop talking about number, because the reality is, what matters is what happened was wrong, it was violation of human rights in every sense, and if you cannot be a man and accept that, then yea you deserve to live in ignorance as does most of sangh parivaar, who thinks of minorities as their enemies, for get Muslims, they are killing Christians in south, they have problem with everyone who does not share their faith!!
Ha ha- Deepak you are again doing what the rest of your ilk are experts are doing- skirting the issue when cornered.
The riots in Gujarat were caused not by the BJP but by GODHRA MASSACRE- do you even bother to condemn the 2,000 fanatic Muslims and hidden Pakistanis for the brutal roasting of 59 Hindus-including 25 women and 15 children in Godhra?
Once again you lie- that because of RSS VHP’s social penetration in Gujarat- “genocide” of Muslims was possible. THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE OF MUSLIMS- THE CONVICTION OF 22 MUSLIMS PROVES THAT MUSLIMS WERE EQUALLY ON THE OFFENSIVE. In a population of 5.5 crore-790 deaths is no “GENOCIDE”.
AND IF BJP CAME TO POWER IN GUJARAT SPREADING POISON- WHY DID THE PEOPLE REJECT SONIA GANDHI’S AMRIT????????????
It is astonoshing to see the level to which you come down to. You keep insulting the people of Gujarat for electing the BJP repeatedly.
AS FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED- read this article in this website- what the author says. “There is no justification for violence-and of even a single death-be it in Godhra or after Godhra. But why lie throught the skin of your teeth that 2000 Muslims were killed when only 790 were killed?”
NOBODY JUSTIFIES EVEN A SINGLE KILLING -OF EITHER A HINDU OR A MUSLIM- but that doesnt mean the media has the right to LIE and concoct imaginary stories.
NOBODY SAYS THAT 790 MUSLIMS IS A SMALL NUMBER- but it is much smaller that the lies that Congress and media have been concocting. NOBODY CONDONES THE KILLING THE 790 MUSLIMS-but that doesnt mean- the media lies should not be exposed.
AND GET YOURSELF ON THE RIGHT PATH. WHAT ABOUT THE VARIOUS MEASURES THE BJP GOVERNMENT TOOK TO QUELL THE VIOLENCE- WHICH ARE LISTED IN THIS SITE?????????????? 827 preventive arrests were made- riots did not even touch Saurashtra and Kutch- 40 out of 18,600 villages were affected- 98 people were killed in POLICE FIRING- and the list is endless. But you are blind- you cannot see the steps taken by Narendra Modi’s government to quell the violence- and are saying that BJP carried out the killings of 790 Muslims in Gujarat!!!!!!!!!!
The entire blame to of the Gujarat riots should go to the Congress- whose leaders carried out the gruesome massacre in GODHRA.
AND AS FOR CALLING THE RIOTS A BLOT- Narendra Modi too called them a “BLOT”- if you see his interview to “India Today” weekly dated 4 November 2002- along with Vajpayee and Advani. The RSS chief sudarshan also called the riots a “BLOT” on 2nd March 2002-and the RSS leaders asked people to maintain restraint after the gruesome roasting of 59HIndus in Godhra on Feb 27. But only a biased man who is unable to listen- will not heed these facts.
YES, the godhra carnage is condemnable , but tell me where does hindu religion or indian law guides us to punish someone else for crime of some other?? is that how the justice is done?? did RAM JI kill vibhishan because RAVAN was bad?? people who were killed were innocent. Those who did the carnage should have been punished, but not the whole community, and you see how flawed you are…you exactly know the number of muslims that were present at the godhra carnage when mo media covered it, you know the number was 2000, but you d3eny to accept that many more died in riots than shown in official figures…you inside know that you are flawed and you are lying
and yea rahul…
All the eyewitness are lying, because they hate BJP
All the media are lying, even the foreign media such as BBC is lying, because they all hate BJP
Supreme court is lying, which has repeatedly told the POLICE to lay off the eye witnesses and victims
Supreme court reopened 2000 cases for no reason, because BJP gave justice , that’s why the cases have been reopened
All the people who are telling that police said on their dace, We have no orders to save you are lying..
ONLY tru people are BJP and it’s followers, rest everyone is against them….I don’t understand why?? BJP is such a great party, then why the hell everyone is trying to frame them??
All the TRIBUNALS who have visited GUJARAT are lying
All the Human rights commission reports are lying
All amnesty reports are fake, they are all propaganda
BUt BJP is is the only one that is telling the truth…yes BJP is the only one telling the truth
VHP is killing people in south, because it is fault of the whole christian community that one hindu leader in south was killed, so the whole community must suffer…
I think this is what our hindu religion teaches us, even someone commits crime, you kill all his/her family, all others who follow his faith, this is the right thing to do…this is what BJP/VHP/BAJRFANG DAL have done
Interesting point is people like you and Ramesh, even thought support BJP, you guys also deny to accept that VHP/BAJRANG DAl are in fact communal parties..you this denial is clear evidence, that it is not just BJP, you guys have same fanatic idelogy that prevails in this community. You defend anyone who talks about hindu nation, boycott minorities because they dun worship cow like we do and drink its piss like we do…we kill them all, and then pretend like we are the well wishers of the society..
I am ashamed to be a hindu, you should be too, we have from time to time shown this world that we are a fake democracy, in 84 we killed innocents, in 92 innocents died because of our hindutva agenda of removing a mosque, in 02 and many more incidents, we are ready to kill and do bloodbath anytime we get a chance…
Also everyone says riots re a normal part of India, are we telling each other than our living conditions are same for over decades?? Our police and admin strength is still same?? in all these years, we have achieved nothing?? our police cannot control riots?? did police have same amount of weapons and vehicles as they did 50 years back? or 20 years back?? these wre not riots, this was a genocide, the excuse for this was a carnage that few fanatic and aggravated muslims did, but what justification is there to kill innocents fro crime of some stupid fools?? Where in our constitution it says, that you go kill innocents in other parts of the nation for crime of few…if VHP and their criminals are soo brave, they should go stand on the border and give their life, i bet they will pee in their pants the same day…all they can do it rape and kill innocents, in groups, in gangs…that’s all they can do, and that makes them a proud hindu…
DEEPAK- Godhra carnage was bad- and it cannot justify the riots. But no one can DENY that it was the CAUSE of the riots.
As for people-
1- BBC is biased against BJP. Not only that- it is also biased India and Hindus- it did not even call the Mumbai attackers of 26/11 as ‘terrorists’ and merely said- ‘gunmen’.
2- These tribunals and Human Rights Commission people are LYING- coz they are liers. None of them has bothered to see the suffering of Hindus in the Gujarat riots.
For your information- a Commission gave a report -the Council for International Affairs and Human Rights- including retired Judges of the High Court. The team’s report can be seen here-
http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:KQOWqkkOg2AJ:www.hinduhumanrights.org/India/GodhraAndAfter.html+shyam+khosla+godhra+and+after&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in
They did not give one-sided picture.
As for Supreme Court re-opening 2000 cases- this doesnt mean 2000 riots. They are only 100 odd cases with 20 accused of each case- say- and around 500 of the cases are against MUSLIMS ATTACKING HINDUS.
Again -we lie and lie. VHP KILLED CHRISTIANs IN SOUTH??????
For your information- 10 out of 35 killed in Kandhmahal are HINDUS. The conflicts there were between Panas and Kandh tribes- one which converted and one which did not convert to Christianity.
YOU ARE ASHAMED OF BEING A HINDU???????????????? Because of what happened in 1984, 1992 and 2002?
Are you forgetting what happened to Hindus in medieval period from 712 AD when they attacked us and killed us- butchered the masses- enslaed our children- raped our women?
Are you forgetting 1947- the brutal massacre of Hindus and Sikhs in what is today PAKISTAN? WHAT HAD WE DONE IN 1947 TO DESERVE SLAUGHTER FROMT HE PAKISTANIS?
You are ashamed about 1992? What about 200 TEMPLES WHICH WERE DEMOLISHED IN KASHMIR BEFORE AND AFTER DEC 6 1992? THERE WERE 37 TEMPLES DEMOLISHED BEFORE- AND 160+ AFTER 6 DEC.
Before demolishing the temple in 1528 in Ayodhya- Babur slaughtered 5000 Hindus in Ayodhya. Are you ashamed of that?
ARE YOU ASHAMED OF THE BRUTAL MURDERS OF 4 RSS LEADERS IN TRIPURA BY CHRISTIANS IN 2001- AFTER BRUTAL TORTURES?
Anyway- this can go on and on. Lets stop this here. You have no answers to my questions- if VHP was involved in the riots- why were most of the 10,000 villages where it has units- untouched by violence? And what about Saurashtra and Kutch?
This is the correct link.
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/10/facts-speak-for-themselves-godhra-and.html
This is for the report on GODHRA AND AFTER
AN EYE FOR AN EYE WILL MAKE THIS COUNTRY BLIND. And talking about medieval times, keep that shit in your pocket, because neither you were there and neither I was, we re modern humans, we talk about space walks, and people like you rely on REVENGE to fulfill your frustration…people like you will take INDIA into fury of agony and pain, fact is all these true revelation of riots do not make muslims and minorities terrorist, but people who cause them who abuse them make them terrorists, is is very nice to tell the media not to publish facts because it is causing distress among muslims, but is it fine to burn and kill them in huge number at the first place??
And whatever you guys might say or shout, I am glad so much is being revealed to the world, if people were not getting aware, you guys wouldn’t be so frustrated and making these websites, the point is copies of movies like FINAL SOLUTION are being circulated everywhere, people are reading all the reports made by tribunals, the most recent one INDIA JUSTICE which even mentions tehelka exposures, no matter what you say rahul, media will not stop, and not will people like , and the fact it is we are successful, that is why you just can’t say enough to keep people quite…i personally myself have distributed numerous copies of FINAL SOLUTION to my friends and families, and now will make copiers of these 2 new movies by Rakesh Sharma and spread them too, will also give them to my professors at my university, so they can see the real fascist side of Hinduism, I am done with this bullshit…JAI HIND!!!
Wish you all the best!
You will see another movie- made by someone like me- exposing the TRUTH of the Gujarat riots- and the real faces of pseudo-secularists and movie makers- like Mahesh Bhat and company- and those who made FINAL SOLUTION.
I am sure-that some day- the BJP and Narendra Modi will sue the media- and win damages worth millions of dollars.
Hopefully- even you will one day be punished for malicious lies on this issue- you keep IGNORING the brutal killings of 254 Hindus in the riots.
some day?? BJP is a party that leaves no chance of attacking anyone, and the FINAL SLUTION came out in 2004, you think they still have not found the time to sue the director?? and the media?? you pathetic meatsack, they know they done wrong, they can’t do anything of it, and the dya you make a movie please let me know, so I can watch it too, mean while go watch Rakesh sharma’s new movie on misery of Gujarat’s farmers…
Those who were killed in this genocide, hindus or muslims died because of BJP’s fault, they never wanted to keep Gujarat at peace, they wanted to ignite the sparks and let innocents die so they get collect on electoral benefits for coming years… and this why they are out of govt, and this why their own supporting parties are breaking off with them. A communal BJP will never see any opportunities in India as a government
Ha ha- there is no point arguing with someone like you. You can only abuse and critize- you are NO SCHOLAR- YOU ARE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE- and you cannot do anything to defend your position expect criticism.
Oh yea, people who support truth more than making stupid websites like this, they travel across Gujarat and makes documentaries like FINAL SOLUTION…you will call that propaganda also…poor people talking on camera is propaganda to you, but a fascist leader like Modi is Hindu hero… can you please ask modi to apply for US visa again so we can again put in petition to deny him visa, I loved doing it ijn 2005 when he actually thought Gujarati community in US can persuade the govt to give him visa, but we slapped a big NOOO on his ugly face 🙂
@deepak
Your logical and analytical abilities are an absolute zero.
dude quit changing names and be a man and use one name and talk to me…by the way re u and other morons from the saffron party ready for a humiliating defeat at the hands of the common man?? arun jaitley looks retarded right now, rajnath singh has no clue what to do, advani is as stupid as he can get, and quite old too, u guys got slapped in orrisa, slapped in UP and slapped in west bengal…yea i think BJP has a firm chances of wining people’s vote with its fake hindutva agenda and its pseudo nationalist identity…how is that for analytical skills?? lolzzz
What has all that got to do with the arguments of this site? For your “ANALYTICAL SKILLS”- Congress is having a horrid time bargaining with NCP in Maharashtra- with JMM and RJD in Jharkhand,its alliance in UP has gone FLAT with the SP- where the parties will fight each other. Congress has been offered a mere 3 out of 40 seats in Bihar.
Congress has got the lowest in 1952 seats in many states since coming to power in 2004. Its got 22 out of 403 in UP-lowest ever- 9 out of 243 in Bihar- lowest ever- 9 out of 81 in Jharkhand- lowest ever in that region-24 out of 140 in Kerala-lowest ever-21 out of 294 in Bengal-lowest ever. Its lost Punjab-Uttarakhand, Karnataka.
Contrast that with BJP- won 30 out of 81 seats in Jharkhand- 55 in Bihar- highest ever- 18 in Punjab- highest ever-won Uttrakhand- won Karnataka-highest ever seats. And Rajnath is confused??? If a confused man can deliver such results- I wonder what he will deliver when he is not confused!!!!!!
Communalism has no place in civilized society, 2 more months, and I am gonna see you run away from this blog or change your name…if BJP comes to power brother, I will stop debating on this site and agree they have something to do for the country…they re never coming to power
for the point, ofcourse this has nothing to do wit the site, but it is related, because blatant lies you guys have used to prove is something is ridiculous, you guys totally believe that under congress riots occurred and they were massacre, but BJP was a goodie goodie govt which protected innocents, when they fact is whole country knows BJP is communal party,m shiv sena in west, Ram sena in south, VHP/BJD all over north and midwest are causing havoc in the country and you guys think BJP is for the poor man??? what a shame…
Oh yea the idiotic leader of an idiotic party called the THE STUPID RAM SENA is banned from bangalore for 1 year…happy elections for supporters of your party…why dun u tell ur supporters to burn VDAY cards now you moron!!
RAJIV/RAHUL/RAJESH, whoever the hell you are, you try to give me links to blogspots and freaking retarded personal websites, now read some and read it carefully and try to understand what I have been saying…how VHP and people like them just wait for incidents to happen to succeed in their evil works…now read this whole report before you bark again
http://www.jagori.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/what%20happened%20in%20gujarat.PDF
@Deepak
BJP might not come to power because of morons like you, who don’t have enough brains to analyze the pseudo-secular propaganda of Congress. After slaughtering Sikhs in 84, these idiots call themselves “Secular”, and uneducated, stupid buffoons like you buy their story!!!!! Dude, u either do not know the meaning of the term secularism, or are too stupid to understand it. Refer to the dictionary and take help from some educated person in deciphering it. Secularism does not mean appealing to ONE minority, clearly because it is THE minority which makes most difference during elections. Had the congress been “Secular” it would have given equal importance to Sikhs, which it did not, and why? Because Sikhs are just 2-3%, a real minority. Congress sees in its best interest the appeasement of muslims possibly because of their exponential growth rate!!! The speed at which they reproduce will probably make them a majority very soon! Congress is cunning, and exploits zero IQ duffers like you to further its own interests!!
@ me is stupid:
Listen to me carefully, and clear you ears of any wax that is in their, if you can’t afford any because of unemployment than I will send you some, how many riots in history have been caused by congress?? and how many riots are directly resulted from this fascist ideology of SANGH PRIVAR?? is congress killing innocent Christians in south?? is congress members who are attacking youth on VDAY?? is congress who’s leaders talking abusive languages, I am referring to a retard name varun gandhi is who is in this retarded BJP, it is BHP/RSS/VHP and people like them who have constantly been causing tension in entire India and claiming that they are only protecting the interest of india, these re the real enemies of India, because their ideology is make a clean hindu nation, for what?? you moron, I know congress is at fault in past too, but BJP is worse in all cases, they are still spreading hatred in entire india, they have problem with everyone who does not follow their faith, that’s why their units attack innocents in all parts of India, it was not congress members who attacked women in south in club, it was people like MUTHALIK who follow the same retarded fascist policy of RSS and called themselves STUPID RAM SENA, now he is banned from Bangalore, sooner or later the country will realize the need of banning RSS/VHP/BJD and other monsters who live on innocents bloods, backlash/revenge are just excuses you morons use to fulfill your pathetic and dirty fantasies of killing and raping the innocents….
JUST WAIT FOR 2 MONTHS, I AM STILL GOING TO BE HERE, AND I WILL SLAP YOU AT YOUR FACE WITHOUT EVEN PARTICIPATING IN ELECTION WHEN CONGRESS IS BACK IN POWER, AS IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN…BJP IS A LOOSER PARTY WHO IS LOOSING PEOPLE’S FAITH MORE N MORE…FIRST GO GET JAITLEY BACK IN YOU PARTY MEETINGS, THEN TRY TO TEACH OTHERS ABOUT RIGHT AND WRONG!!
@deepak
u need a brain transplant. Go and get some, otherwise u wl end up damaging the rest of your system(if it isn’t already damaged that is).
hey at least I am living a happy and safe life out here in REAL DEMOCRACY!! unlike you people who get blown up by terrorist every moth and then participate in mass rape and killings of innocents…just give it another month,and few more bombs will explode somewhere in india, then you will be busy picking up body parts as you guys re used to…you guys are getting back what you do to innocent citizens …
talking about brain cells, dude reach the international research reports on how people in developing countries are loosing their intellectual and innovative capabilities because of low quality of the air cause by immense pollution, i think you will need a body transplant way sooner than I do, dun worry about me, where I live, they have not even heard of a traffic, and we don’t honk like dumb asses all day 🙂
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Gujarat-riot-missing-declared-dead/articleshow/4207101.cms 952 to 1,180 (including missing)
@deepak
the very fact that u do not belong to this country disqualifies you from discussing the political situation here. U r a confused idiot. u need psychiatric help. If u had ANY sense, u wdn’t be talking rubbish abt people you don’t know and things which a fathead like you would NEVER understand.
@deepak
I wdn’t be surprised if a demented person like you turns out to be a terrorist. In fact terrorists are made out of donkeys like you, who believe that bomb blasts can be justified because so called “innocent” people were killed. A DUFFER like you wd never understand thathe people who get killed in bomb blasts are innocent as well. I think you suffer from a really terrible brain disease, hope the world is soon rid of pigs like you, crazy people like you are harmful for the world!!!!!
Bloody terrorist.
@deepak
with the kind of twisted mentality you have, u must be an uneducated stupid jihadi from a broken country like afghanistan or pakistan. How dare you hide behind a Hindu name and american identity, thereby making others feel ashamed of sharing a faith with a swine like you!
yea and what kind of mentality you have who justifies riots for killings of 60 people?? this is the purpose of this site…to justify everything that happened in the name of revenge…then you fagots are no better than those terrorist who kill in the name of religion, because you guys have massacred innocents in the name of your religion…you are the same…
and talking about disqualifying me, i think I know more about our stupid Indian society then you guys do, you retards are showing me the OFFICIAL FIGURES of the riots, you pathetic meat sack, in 84 congress said 3,000 people died, but everyone knows the number was twice as much may be even larger, and now you are showing official figures to make a point?? now who is more pathetic?? if you were an Indian, you would know these numbers mean nothing, because the whole indian society is full of corrupt mo******** like modi, paswan, lalu and all…and you are telling me that these numbers have some substantial value??
and for the bomb blasts, just wait dude, they will explode and probably someone from this site who is saving BJP from its crimes will loose an arm or leg, or may be both!! lol
dude I have heard these comeback from many retards like you, ooo you are muslim this and that, because for you a hindu cannot talk against what you hindus have done, for the fact is hindu community is no good than other communities, we have murders right here within us, many of us share the sick mentalities, if this wasn’t true, why would delhi be called THE RAPE CAPITAL of india?? why would crimes against women be on increase in INDIA?? are all muslims doing them,?? no you retard, its you people, many of you are hindus, who abduct girls from streets gang rape and then leave them for dead, or better sell hindu girls abroad into prostitution for money…accet the realities, and believe that other other hindu can critize for what is real, you want more proof of me being a real hindu, go check out VVDAV vikas puri’s 2002 graduating class list, you will find me in there you piece of shit!!
Mr DEEPAK- OPEN CHALLENGE TO YOU
Your level of knowledge and arguments is clear to all.
Your level of decency and civilized behavior is also clear to all-especially your favorite words ‘Moron’ and ‘Retards’.
If you WIN THIS CHALLENGE- I will give up all I have to say- and become your follower.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
REALLY MR DEEPAK- you alone are the greatest of all sensible people- REJECT GOVERNMENT FIGURES GIVEN BY POLITICIANS THRIVING OF MUSLIM-VOTE BANK- REJECT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE MISSING- and concoct your own imaginary figures
My use of these words is till better than hatred poured out by politicians like Modi and Gandhi..who try to evoke emotions in innocent people against each other. And the challenge you have given me doesn’t even make sense, I dun care about who Mohammad was or what he is or not, why would that matter now?? these re centuries old things, what would I prove by taking this challenge?? what will be achieved?? I care less what people talk about religious icons of the past, what matters is the present, and people like RSS nd VHP are destroying that present. What good is a RAM TEMPLE that is laid on dead bodies of thousands of innocent people, be them hindu or muslim…that is what matters!
The only way you re justifying these horrible acts is by talking defensively, and giving numbers and stats to make is less tragic that other riots, you have not even once accepted that in fact what Gujarat government did then was wrong, innocents were butchered, so if you say that 1000 people were killed, does that mean that WOMEN WERE NOT RAPED?? NOT TO MENTION TORTURED BEFORE BEING KILLED?? DOES THAT MEAN INFANTS WERE NOT THROWN INTO FIRE?? DOES THAT MEAN FAMILIES AFTER FAMILIES WERE NOT BURNED ALIVE?? does claiming 1000 as a number you are trying to deny these facts??
You very boldly try to protect Modi that within 72 hours the riots were under control…if he was a good administrator, the riots, would never have even started at the first place, all these people who went to rampage knew police will not do anything, similarity in 84, these massacres only happen when government lets free hand, or how else you explain thousands of houses burn down, no to mention religious places?? this is what you call control?? this is what you call efficient governance of a government?? Shame on you for repeatedly trying to put me down on the basis of number and false propaganda…
You are giving sake of what was posted in news papers, you should newspaper will only post what the local police officials will tell them and I don’t think any police official will tell reporters that yes we let loose and people died in front us…but images don’t lie, victims don’t lie and their screams don’t lie you pathetic soul…
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modi not good whole life not good person in ground level
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Modi answered this line ( 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were killed in the riots, 2548 people were injured and 223 people were missingand several raped)
Ok Mr Deepak. You cant convince a man who doesnt want to listen. Instead of praising the efficient handling of riots by Modi- who controlled riots in 72 hours in a communal sensitive state like Gujarat- despite the gruesome roasting of 59 Hindus in Godhra- while it took previous Congress governments 6 months to stop riots in 1969 and 1985 even without any cause like Godhra.
If you open your eyes- you will find a chapter “Attacks on Muslims” also written in this site- which deals with the sufferings of the Muslims in the riots. While this site is very neutral- deals with sufferings of Hindus and Muslims both- you are biased-talking only about Muslim suffering.
And what about ALI SINA’s challenge?
NO THIS SITE IS NOT NEUTRAL, AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY:
1. IT FAILS TO AGREE THAT RSS/VHP/BJD AND OTHERS LIKE THEM ARE COMMUNAL PARTIES
2. IT FAILS TO AGREE THAT RELIEF EFFORTS WERE NOT ADEQUATE FOR THE VICTIMS AFTER RIOTS
3. IT FAILS TO AGREE THAT SEXUAL VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN WAS USED AS A PART OF RIOTS.
4. IT FAILS TO EVEN THINK FOR A SECOND THAT RIOTS THAT WERE TRIGGERED WERE WELL ORGANIZED, DO YOU THE DEFINITION OF THE RIOTS?? RIOTS MEAN WHEN TOW COMMUNITIES ATTACK EACH OTHER FACE TO FACE AND WHOEVER IS STRONGER COMES OUT ALIVE,/B> BUT IN THIS CASE, MOST VICTIMS OF THE RIOTS WERE SURROUNDED FROM ALL DIRECTIONS, OUTNUMBERED AND KILLED IN A SYSTEMATIC FASHION, THE RIOTERS HAD TRISHULS, DAGGERS, TALWARS, GAS CYLINDERS, PETROL BOMBS, ALL KIND OF WEAPONS WITH THEM, IF THESE WERE SPONTANEOUS RIOTS, HOW THE HELL WAS SO MUCH ORGANIZED SO QUICK???
RIOTERS HAS TANKS FULL OF CYLINDERS WITH THEM, IN MANY CASES, PRIVATE AMBULANCES WALKED WITH THE RIOTERS IN CASE THEY GOT INJURED, THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL A RIOT?? THIS IS GENOCIDE, WHEN ONE COMMUNITY IS SINGLED OUT AND KILLED, THIS IS NOT A RIOT
THERE IS A REASON MEDIA TALKS BLATANTLY ABOUT ACTION OF SHIVSENA/RSSS/VHP OPENLY, IT IS NOT BECAUSE MEDIA IS BIASED, IT IS BECAUSE MEDIA PEOPLE RE JUST PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHO HAVE NO AFFECTION TO FASCIST HINDU IDEOLOGY.
I DUN PUT MY RELIGION FIRST, I PUT HUMANITY FIRST BUT FOR PEOPLE LIKE ADVANI , MODI AND EVEN VARUN GANDHI, IT IS ALL ABOUT HINDUS, OTHER CAN GO TO HELL…
NOW VARUN SAYS HIS CD IS FAKE, DUDE, EVERY HAS SEEN THE CD, THE VOICE CAN BE TAMPERED WITH, BUT HIS LIPS MOVEMENTS FALL IN SYNCHRONIZATION WITH HIS VOICE, THAT’S QUITE IMPRESSIVE JOB, IF INDIANS HAD THAT TECHNOLOGY, THEIR MOVIES WOULD BE BETTER ALSO, STILL OUT ACTION SCENES LOOK LIKE RETARDED MOVIES BACK FROM 70’S, AND YET CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO COME OUT WITH A NICE GRAPHIC VIDEO OF HIM?? REALLY…SHAME ON PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN CUTTING INDIA AND RULING IT, BE IT CONGRESS MEN OR BJP, IF YOU SUPPORT THEM THEN YEA I CAN SAY BAD WORDS FOR YOU TOO, BECAUSE WHO COMMITS A CRIME AND WHO SUPPORTS A CRIME ARE EQUALLY TO BE BLAMED!!!!
Again- exposed.
What does this site say about BJP/RSS? Nothing. This site simply deals with what happened in the 2002 riots- and again- no one including you- despite your lies and abusive propaganda- has been able to counter a single argument put forward by this site.
Quoting statements by anti-Hindu organisations like Human Rights Watch is no evidence and no refutation.
As for calling this site BIASED- just because THIS SITE DOESNT ABUSE RSS/BJP doesnt mean it is ‘BIASED’. THIS SITE ALSO HAS A CHAPTER -“ATTACKS ON MUSLIMS’ dealing with their suffering in the 2002 riots.
MR DEEPAK- YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION ON RSS/BJP- BUT THAT IS NOT THE GOSPEL TRUTH. ANYONE WHO DOESNT ABUSE RSS- DOESNT BECOME BIASED- you must have an open mind to accept that rival ideologies can also exist.
1- WHY SHOULD THIS SITE ‘AGREE’ THAT BJP/RSS ARE COMMUNAL PARTIES?
2-EVEN IF THAT IS THE CASE- WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH THE 2002 RIOTS?
3- THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO GENOCIDE in the riots- ONLY A MAN WITHOUT BRAINS-LIKE YOU DEEPAK- CAN TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE KILLING OF 254 HINDUS.
4- The riots were NOT pre-planned- but were spontaneous.
YOU ARE A FASCIST. ANYONE WHO DOESNT FOLLOW YOUR BRAND OR YOUR IDEOLOGY-DOESNT BECOME BIASED.
ALI SINA’s challenge is very sensible.
It proves that ISLAM IS A TERRORIST RELIGION- AND ISLAM ADVOCATES CONVERT OR KILL.
THAT IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF HINDU-MUSLIM CONFLICTS IN INDIA SINCE 712- AND THAT IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF GODHRA CARNAGE- THAT IS THE ROOT OF ALL HINDU-MUSLIM CONFLICTS.
Shun your narrow vision and dare to blame Muslims for some problems in India.
So much for your attacks on Hinduism- learn the truth of Islam.
http://www.islam-watch.org
FUCK THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM…IS THE SITE WANTS TO BE NEAUTRAL, IT HAS TO FIRST TALK ABOUT TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS ON BOTH SIDES, IT DOES SAY MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST AND THE KILL US, BUT IT NEVER ACCEPTS VHP/BJD/RSS ARE TERRORIST,
YOU TELL ME, WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON THEM?? YOU THINK THEY ARE SOCIAL ORGANIZATION PROMOTING LOVE AND PEACE BETWEEN COMMUNITIES???
Did anyone say this site is not biased…?
Fuck you mate…sorry…but i really mean it..
Yes, hindus were killed, both hindus and muslims were killed(killed brutally)..but a government should be in a position to stop violence. Police should have stopped it. They didnt.
1000 is not a small number.
Who won the numbers game doesnt matter. What provoked the killings doesnt matter. The government should have stopped this. He failed.
And the site is biased. It says all media reports are lies. Why should all the media support muslims? Atleast some of the reports in those famous national newspapers must be true. And even that hurts. Both communities are responsible, but modi cannot just wash his hands..
Anybody with a little bit of common sense would agree with this. The concept of “Communal tension” was unheard of in India before these muslims came to our country. Hindus, Buhddhists, Sikhs, Jains all peacefully coexisted. They followed their ideologies, but had respect for the other’s ideologies as well. Sikhs don’t do idol worship either, but they did not go around breaking Hindu and Jain temples and building Gurdwaras in their place. All religions were peacefully existing before these stupid muslims created a havoc in this country. They have no respect for people of any other faith.
Muslim rulers took a seperate tax from non-muslims. Ironically muslims are given Haj subsidy now. Nd still they cry about being minorities.
me… did you even know any part of the mytholigical indian history?? even if we were to say our gods did in fact existed at some time, they were fighting each other all the times, devtas were fight rakshas, kings were fighting all the other kigs in those times…RAVAN was no muslim, yet he was fighting everyone, BALI was no muslim yet they were fighting for more power…you piece of crap…all over the world humans have been fighting each other…but now justifying the genocide of innocents for death of other innocents in not acceptable by any standards…all these claims of RAHUL KEDIA that gujarat government controlled the riots “within 72 hours” is peace of shit…WHAT HAPPENED AFTER 72 HOURS WAS THAT HNDU FASCIST WERE STOPPED FROM KILLING AT THEIR WILL, RAPES AND MURDERS STILL CONTINUED FOR MONTHS TO COME!@!
And the conditions of those living in relief camps is still terrible, go look at the reality of gujarat and other parts of India before opening your mouth you filthy piece of crap!
Deepak is no Hindu.. He is a Muslim under Hindu name..
Is there any muslim nation peaceful and democratic? Take any muslim nation democratic – Compare the degree of freedom with India…you will change your mind. Take Malaysia- Its a democratic & Monarcy but many Hindu temples were grounded and dont talk about rights for minority people. All gulf countries are Monarchy – except for Turkey & Egypt(Semi Presodential). you cant even talk about practicing other religion in these countries.
Jews were once every where , tehy reigned teh world for many centuries. No the state of Jews. They are fighting for a small land (a tiny spot in world map) to be named as Jew state.
This is going to be the future for Hindus. May not in the near future..but definetily in 1000 years..
All Muslims are not terroist but all Terrorist are Muslims. may be its not all, may be some 99% muslims are terrorist
If you point LTTE then you must read history.
you think your balancing hindus & muslims…. they are good backstabber… know what Jinha did – he wanted separate state for muslims – pakistan … know what happened in hydrabad nizam period post independence – 85% of Muslims were in govt jobs and only 15 % of hindus were given state jobs that too clericka… many hindus lost life,womens were raped… you can play with Dog not with hyena…I am damn sure that you wil be fucked by some muslim if you tell your a hindu.
WELL the truth of the hour is RSS men are involved in numerous BOMB blasts in India!!!
they were involved in MALEGAUN
they were involved in Parbhani,
they were involved in Dhule,
they were involved in Ajmer
SO HINDUS are no good than muslims, these RSS/VHP terrorist who can do bloodshed in their country , cannot be Indians, they are also terrorist and they also deserve to be called anti-India!!
tell me truly – when some one slaps you not once , twice n more… you will tuck your hand and wait till he falls tired ? or you will defend/offend…
no of course not, but you need to go show your anger on those who do these heinous crimes, not on innocents who have nothing to do with it!! This is what is the point! VHP losers should dare take weapon and fight on the border, instead of cornering and raping young children and helpless ladies…
So you mean to say that 63 people who died in Jaipur (9 serial bomb attacks)died fighting against muslim terroist or they were the victims of muslim terroist??
2 dead; 20 injured in bangalore; Did these people die n got injured fighting Muslim terroist or they were the victims of the muslim teroist bombs???
did you know how bad is that blast for our economy???
30 dead; more than 100 injured – Ahamadabed blast
21 dead; more than 100 injured – 5 bombs in Delhi
172 dead; 250 injured – Mumbai carnege
So you mean to say the person who died because they fought with terroist and they were Armed men & women. werent they innocent civilians???
so accordint to you if a hindu want to attack a muslim fundamentalist i have go to border and fight and if muslims has to attack us they can bomb in market place where armed forces willl be there and in movie complex where para military are there…just justify this???
Deepak(deefuck) do you have a working brain?? one question for you
Question 1:
Person who were involded in Mumbai carnage?
1. Ram Kumar
2. Hari Krishna
3. Karthik
4. Mohamad Ajmal Kasab
Question 2:
Founder of Laskhar- e- Taiba
1. Ramesh
2. Raja
3. Nitin
4. Hafiz Mohammad Saeed
for your dumb knowledge… (read propely) when ever a riot happens along with regular riots peole criminal also join and do all craps… you cant completly blame RSS for all the rapes.
Take down islam before islam takes you down to hell..
well at least they didn’t burn a widow alive with her husband did they?? Stop blaming people because of the religion they follow, at the end everyone is from the same life source, no religion, no belief has ever been materialistic…they are all mythological, be it Hinduism, Islam, Christianity or else, religion is just a way to stay devoted and keep one in norms of normal behavior, people who take religion literally word by word are called fanatics, who are ready to die for something that is mythological…like fascist hindus who believe building a RAM TEMPLE is the right thing to do, as if they are for sure that RAM was in fact a god!! similarly there re muslim fanatics who believe islam is the only way to live and others must be destroyed…but in this all, don’t forget you are all humans, you re all born the same way, you all cry when u come into this word, and you all will end up somewhere in the atmosphere after your end…stop hating each other in the NAME OF FAITH 🙁
well said deepak!! hope all people realize this and live in peace
@deepak
I agree with you this time.
Once Sadar said during the existanceof Princly state of Hydrabad – ” they remain a ulcer to India”. Now if he would have lived “India is Muslim Positive””India is HIV Positive” .. they have spread like virus….
only a homogenous society can give a peaceful soceity …. for sure there might be quarrel like language and race but that will not instigate violance like religion does…
I am really puzzled why they keeep bombs in worship palace – recent pak blast.
muslims tell they fear more for religion but finally the big blast has happened in a religion practicing place …
Deepak – the recent pak blast convey one good msg to all;
if we allow muslims to co-exist with Hindus; they will bomb themselves like what happened in pakistan mosque hurting Hindus also..
well I am glad me shares and agrees with my thoughts…
And for you BALLA, listen to me good, you talk about muslims who will bomb hindus, don’t forget it was SIKH MEN who kept guns, bombs and weapons in Golden temple… we all talk about how government was wrong in attacking Golden temple, but you cannot deny the fact that these SIKH TERRORIST were keeping their arsenal in the golden temple, below AKAL Takht…WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THAT?? just because someone is a muslim does not mean he will have a bomb you fucktard…stop hating people…and straighten your life!!
yes Raja,
we all have figh with these muslim supporting folks and islam… there was a poet in maharastra during “Chatrpati Shivaji Maharaj” period he said ” If shivaji was not born , then india will be a musilm contry and no hindu would be alive till” like they destroyed Rama Temple, Taj has been built on Lord Shiv temple. so now have act on that to rbuild all our lost glory… which is Real BHARATA…..
@Deepak> While I admire your need to come across as a peaceful balanced personality, I am amused at your pedantic thinking which attempts to discredit theories and systems that have haunted mankind since a long time (not time immemorial). Seriously, do you think that an “American Pie”, who thinks freedom means choosing a can of coke-piss from 10,000 shopping malls, is cleaver and above all this religious bullshit. First of all try to understand that the term Hindu cannot be used in the same breath as with other religios, there is more diversity, theories, philosophies inside this so called Hinduism than all the abrahamical religions with the atheists, the extinct “heathens” of Scandinavia, Darwin, Gallieo, Greek and Roman philosophies and capitalists and communists. The testimony to this fact is that Hinduism has 6 darshanas (something like a school of thought), and each has several sub-divisions. What the world thinks as hinduism is nothing but a scaled down version of Vedanta (just one of the 6 darshanas). It would not be wrong to include, Buddhism, Jainism and SIkhism into the hindu fold as not only are these 6 darshans so diverse in their thinking, even the different schools within Vendanta are more diverse! Please try to keep your “knowledge” from American soaps away from reality, it is hard in America to stay away from TV, but thats what your state wants. I also don’t understand why you guys don’t get it! Hinduism has a track record of not using violence when it came to difference of opinion, it has a more mature way of debating (no like Obama Vs Mcain, where you hurl insults) This is why Buddhism spread and got also vanished from India (no blood was shed). EVen in the occasional clashes, there was no pillaging unlike what is done by christians and Muslims. Also please be aware that when I say Indian I do not mean the present “westernized Indian”, I mean the Indianess, that exists but something which the western educated Indian is not able to comprehend, until they have some reality check. Please stop living in the illussion that after having wtched an award winning documentary you know a subject, this is the problem with the west, or anyone who goes there (even with MBA’s who get their westernized arrogance in India), you think you just see something have become masters of it, that all you need from a traditional Indian sculptor is those few important things in a few weeks and then you can use your Euro skills to complete your education leaving all the useless inforamation, yes you are smart enough to learn somethng in a week that takes 20 years to learn. However, just remember, there are a lot of posters of “Mona Lisa” that look like the original, most tourists would not even know the original from the imitation, but there is something that draws you to the original, something that cannot be explained by even the most arrogant western or Westernized Indian. So, please put a cap on your arrogance and just accept the hard truth even if it does not sound politically correct. Hinduism has everthing that the western workld has gone through in the past 1000 years and is discoering, the innovations are purely variations (Like tea with milk and black tea). You just have to be recpetive to understand that in the Ramayana and Mahabharata there are numerous instances that are similar to the situation faced by 100 % of america that is a family with too many step-brothers and sister thanx to the Divorce rate, even that is mentioned in these texts! Of course, you will find philosophy in a Kurt Cobain or a silly Green Day song as that is what makes you feel you have arived in the US…
Enjoy your CNN News with your burger that you think is unique, and yes don’t forget to eat it properly like an American does (liek a bull dog eating Mayonese)Chutia salla
Deepak> What happend in Sikhs 1984 case?
Its was a separatrist movement who wanted a separate sikh state and they have accumulated arms & ammunition in Golden temple. It was Jarnail singh n his fellow mens who woowed some 1500 mens to their side and took control of golden temple. It was not all of sikhs who wanted separate state.
But in case of Muslims; every one want their relion to live with the cost of other religion. if muslims are removed from India they have a entire Guld to live in , south east asian countries like malaysia, indonesia to live and north africa to live and pakistan, afganistan, south east europe to live…tell me any one place where a Hindu can live ??? where is the last one country for Hindus to live?
Muslims have fought against Christians and driven them from Jerusalem. if you dont know about crusading read or watch “kingdom of heaven”. It was jews who lived in Jerusalem, christinity born and flourished. But Muslims spread all over the regions driving the christians from there…
This will hapen ti Hindus.. they will grow in numbers and we will be wiped out one day… save your ass if you want it in Museum tittled – Hindu Ass who spoke for Muslims.
Population
Hindus Muslim
1947 Present 1947 Present
India 87.2%(1951) 80.5% 12% 15%-17%
Pakistan 15-20% 1.6% 74% 95%
Bangladesh 28% 9.2% NA 90%
see how they are growing in numbers and speculate how many will be there in 100 years…
………………Hindus ……………………Muslim
………….1947 ……..Present ………1947……..Present
India …….87.2%(1951)..80.5% …………12%……..15%-17%
Pakistan ….15-20% ……1.6% ………….74%……….95%
Bangladesh ..28% ………9.2% ………….NA ……….90%
Subramani..
I stopped readiong you post post n the second line and then I read like last two lines …
And I am ready to post reply to you. First of of all FUCK YOU for trying to teach me the retarded bullshit u just talked about hinduism because when I grew up, I got the right morals, values and culture, not to mention I still consider my school life in india better than my college life of in US…
secondly people like you have no right to preach the teachings of ancient indian because youth of today has totally put a shame to those values, I don’t want to listen to you bark about how great Indian culture is what re the 6 darshanas in it…because you don’t deserve to tell it to anyone!
Lastly, my knowledge on India is not directed from American TV, as you said it is hard for people stay away from TV in america, I guess it is hard for people like you respect others and actually do something for the country rather being a sinister bastard and preach faith …
I watch more indian TV than you and your past generations combined could have ever watched before you ran to a foreign nation trying to save your life from persecution…
I don’t need CNN to tell me stories about India… i have a family in india, a house in india and i visit india every year and I can see the harsh realities myself.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO PREACH FAITH TO JUSTIFY THAT HINDUISM HAS HAD A GOOD TRACK RECORD SO THEY CANNOT BE BLAMED FOR ANYTHING ARE FILTHY LOWLIFES… BECAUSE THE INDIA YOU RE TALKING ABOUT DOES NOT EXIST ANY MORE , YOUTH OF INDIA NOW DUN GIVE A SHIT WHAT THEIR FOREFATHERS HAS SET FOR THEM…AND YOU ARE TELLING ME T EACH A BURGER LIKE I SHOULD, YOU SHOULD KNOW INDIANS ARE FOLLOWING THE SAME TREND AND GIVING A KICK TO THEIR ROTI AND EATING A AMERICAN BURGER JUST LIKE ME..
So why don’ you shut the f**** up and try to do something against people who spread hatred in this world, rather than try to rationalize my development life cycle, at which honestly u did a fucked up job…fighting me a vocabulary level won’t get you shit..instead try to fight me at the point of what people be it hindu or muslim are actually doing it on ground rather than giving me references from past you worthless piece of shit!
Balla…
i know what wrong with you, but that ok, you are not alone, your mysery is shared by many other who cannot rationally understand why they on this planet.
You believe that is was not the fault of all sikhs for what few sick men dis in 84 and I also agree to it, no one can punish innocents for crime of others… But the why u have double standard when it comes to innocent muslims, not all muslims want to hate us and kills us, they also love peace!! If you tell me they all want their religion on top. well let me tell u I also hear most sikhs talk about khalistan all the time and that they think jernail singh was a hero not a gunda, inside all sikhs re like that too…
So if you re going to out muslims in one corner, i think u better go stand with them, because you are no indian either, you want a separate peace of land for yourself than you should also be hated like muslims…
I know sikhs in US who never talk about being indian, they only talk about being sikh and punjabi’s, they never metion anything about india, i guess then sikhs should also be thrown out of India right???
@deepak,
u r mentally so deficient, u just cannot support your points at all. All you can do is to tell people to f*** off. If you don’t have the mental calibre to listen, understand and process before speaking then you really have no right to participate in a forum which is meant for intellectual discussions.
Nd sikhs are not terrorists. Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs etc. have all been living peacefully in this country for centuries. They feel they are a part of it and have respect for it. Look at the number of sikhs fighting for the country in the army. R u really demented enough to believe what you said about sikhs?
and your english is so pathetic, how do you manage in america?
your grammar is BAD, your vocabulary is restricted to f*** and a few auxilliary words. Honestly, HOW DO you manage in america?
hey guys accordin to da guy deepak he fingerin at da sikh’s look if a war or anyhatred has to be started or if it had been started it directly goes back to the history der livin,der aggretion,der passion,der domination every ting.one of the famous communist said dat Indian history is tales of failure of a civilization but we say it is a tale of survival against da enemy keepin withus.just look in to history u’ll find that islamic kings destroyed how many temples and looted our rich valueable property n dumped in mecca.wht im tryin to say is social livin is essential but not wit those ba***ed’s who divided my country on religion.
menatl calibre to listen? listen to what?/ fabricated lies?/ believe that the whole word is liear and only BJP and their supporters are the truth tellers??
Neither is my english pathetic or deficient in any sense, the only retarded thing is this website, which gives us no preview option to correct grammatical mistakes.
I think I can count og my vocabulary and grammar skills at any time, I did score on of the highest sc ores on TOEFL before I moved to US, now I don’t suppose you even know what TOEFL stands for, but that is alright…people like you shall not be given any chance to rise in your life, because you can only think of destroying a nation and then supporting cheap mentalities because they somehow fit in your perfect model of survival…
I AM DONE WITH THIS PATHETIC PLACE OF ARGUMENT.
TRUTH IS OUT THERE, REPORTS AFTER REPORTS HAVE SAID THE SAME THING. IF THOSE THINGS WERE NOT TRUE, THIS CREATORS OF THIS SITE WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE THIS SITE.
INSTEAD OF CHALLENGING THE POLITICIANS AND PEOPLE TO TAKE ARGUMENTS HERE, WHY DON’T YOU GUYS GO AND USE YOUR FACTS IN SUPREME COURTS??
WHY DON’T YOU GUYS GO AND SAVE MAYA KODNANI FROM GOING TO JAIL??
WHY DON’T YOU STOP SUPREME COURT FROM CALLING MODI MODERN DAY NERO??
YOU GUYS CAN JUST BARK AND ARGUE HERE, BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE FRUSTRATED OVER THE FACT THAT EVERYONE OUT THERE KNOWS, RSS/VHP PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY FOR INNOCENT BLOOD, HUNGRY FOR YOUNG WOMEN’S BODIES TO RAPE AND MUTILATE THEM… THEY WAIT FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO START TENSIONS WITHIN COMMUNITIES.
TO PEOPLE LIKE RAHUIL KEDIA, I WOULD HAVE AGREED TO NUMBERS THAT U KEEP INSISTING ON, IF FOR ONCE YOU WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THAT RSS/VHP IS IN FACT COMMUNAL PARTIES, BUT YOUR STARK IGNORANCE TO THIS FACT AND CONSTANTLY SAYING THAT VHP LIKE ORGANIZATION SO NOT HARM THIS COMMUNITY CLEARLY TELL ME THAT YOU ARE NOT ARGUING FOR THE TRUTH, YOU ARE MERELY ARGUING TO SAVE BJP’S IMAGE AND SAVE THEIR TERROR ARMS FROM SHAME IN FRONT OF HINDU SOCIETY, THAT’S ALL!!
Hindus, Buddhists, jains, sikhs were living peacefully?? have u seen any mythological indian shows? even our gods were not living peacefully and constantly fighting each other…and you re talking about people living peacefully?? right on man!!
OH — ONE OF THE MYTH THAT SITE REPORTS IS: GUJARAT GOVT WAS INVOLVED IN THE KILLINGS
WELL FOR ALL YOU TRUTH TELLERS, YOUR OWN BJP LEADER MAYA KODNANI IS ABOUT TO IN JAIL FOR LIFETIME, AND SHE IS A EDUCATION MINISTER, WHY DON’T YOU THE EVIDENCE FROM YOU SITE AND SAVE HER?? HAAN…OH POOR KODNANI IS WAITING FOR YOU GUYS AND YOUR TRUTH…PLEASE GO SAVE HER!!
Maybe- but Mr Deepak- Maya Kodnani has simply got her bail cancelled. The day riots occured in Naroda Patiya- she was 12 kilometers away from Naroda in Ahmedabad-as per report of Uday Mahurkar. The court has not even chargesheeted her- simply cancelled the bail. Court has not even said- “There is prima facie evidence against her”.
Anyway- even if we assume she is guilty- does this prove government involvement? One-or two people of the government may have been involved at individual level- then for your information- Congress leaders have not only been accused- but also CONVICTED for rioting post-Godhra.
As per The Times of India dated 9 August 2003- 5 Congress corporators and 1 MLA are accused of leading mobs to kill Muslims. There have been Muslim Congressmen convicted for killing Hindus-post Godhra.
So are you saying that the Congress Party was involved in the riots-on orders of Sonia Gandhi?
you like I really can’t help but laugh at the misery of people of your kind…
Do you actually know on the day of riots HER CELL PHONE RECORDS show that they were being used naroda patia area and she claims she was in gandhinagar, now I don’t know about you but I actually keep my cell phone with me , also being a edu minister, i rather not loose my cell phone!!
OF COURSE you will not find modi helping people kill, he cannot do that in public, but his ministers and local leaders are the ones who did it, and yes this is enough to prove that the govt was in fact involved in the riots, because when local leaders of BJP were rioting, that is clear indication that they had support of the govt…
It is like saying, pakistani terrorist come and kill indians, but of course Pakistan government is not involved right?? will you agree to this?? of course not, because they are supported by pakistan govt, similarly, these monsters to did the rioting were supported by the govt, so YES THE GOVERNMENT WAS INVOLVED!!
Wow, a website now to further the Fascist Sangh Parivar’s interests..In reality, in Indian situation the actual death tolls are seldom totally revealed in official records.
There have been reports in trusted media that tell of killings and burning of bodies so their true identity can’t be found.If Gujarat government has any credibility why don’t they simply file a defamation case against those magazines..rather than using this website by proxy to con the unsuspecting users.
Ahmad,
these filthy lairs cannot do anything but make such stupid and fascist websites… THEY keep barking that all magazines are lying and newspaper are lying, seriously if they are putting false accusation on BJP, why not take them to court haan?? does BJP not have good lawyers?? or their nuts have been chopped off??
WHY HAVE THEY NOT FILED EVEN ONE CASE OF DEFAMATION?? NOT EVEN ONE??? ITS BEEN OVER 7 YEARS SINCE RIOTS HAPPENED, AND FOR LAST 5 YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN CONTINUOUSLY IN NEWS ABOUT THEIR ROLE IN RIOTS?? AND TILL NOW THEY ARE COLLECTING ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO FRAME THE LYING JOURNALIST??
THIS IS THE BEST YOU GUYS CAN DO?? MAKE A WEBSITE AND START DEBATES HERE??? REALLY??? I THOUGHT U GUYS COULD ACTUALLY TALK TRUTH TO PUBLIC, OR WAIT THOSE ARE SUCH BEDTIME STORIES YOU TELL TO YOUR DAUGHTERS SO THEY DON’T KNOW YOU HAVE ACTUALLY RAPED A GIRL HER AGE???
GO TO HELL!!!!
Deepak: If you think that bloggers her are less informative or no knowledge on ground reality check this link http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20090414/836/tbs-more-and-more-management-graduates-e.html
In the artile 5 guys aere discussed of which 3 joined BJP and 2 are Congress. Just see who the 2 members are…. their father were congress men… so they have joined congress..
Take the three guys who have joined BJP who have come from IIM. Do you think they dont have brain…???? do you think they are hindu radicals????
one who has brains will definetly join BJP…
One for those news channel which accuse BJP – Times now , CNN IBN – Funded by christian charity
NDTV – Pranabroy is a relaive of Prakash Karat (CPI) so it will be against BJP.
Do you think all the reporters reoprt only the truth … if you think so … I am very sorry…If you are very serious abt this issue check with any one of your jounlist who knows something abt ground reality…
To all my friends out there just think twice about beliving these news channel whenthey give some news TIMES NOW , CNN IBN & NDTV.. I dont say they give false News.. they just hide Some truth.
well are these 3 people going to he,lp BJP get to power this time?? I don’t think so balla, they are right on a good path to loose…it is impossible for them to make government now or in next 10 years, but a wise person knows a fascist and communal ideology is really bad for FAKE DEMOCRACY LIKE INDIA!1
Rubbish, Fascism/Nazism was supported by different types of individuals many of them well educated, it does not make the ideology more harmless..
The terms fascism, Nazism, and fundamentalism are much abused terms in India. They have a distinct connotation in the European context that can hardly apply to the Indian milieu.
The term fundamentalism was first coined inthe context of the emergence of the Protestant movement in the Christian church in America in the twenties.
The ideology of the RSS and the way in which it is interpreted by the Sangh leaders borrowing modern terminology have no camparison to the sense in which the term fundamentalism was used in America. So also, fascism and Nazism do have distinct meanings in the socio-political contexts that prevailed in Italy and Germany which have no bearing in the Indian context.
These are not my words, but of Fr. Kundukulam, the first Christian priest to do a doctoral thesis on the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, that too in a foreign university, Sorbonne University, Paris, France.
Regards
Arun
Actually, What Arun says is nothing new..maybe copied from Wikipedia or maybe Arun is a contributor to Wikipedia where a bunch of Fanatic Hindus sit on pages covering Indian Politics and Hinduism and write fringe theories to support their perverted point of view..They are the first ones to kill the missionaries in Orissa, as is evident from Kandhamal episode and the killing of Graham Staines and his little children by burning them alive in their jeep, while they don’t hesitate to use some obscure Ph.D dissertation to support and further their violent ideology.
The Truth is that fanatic Hindus have taken the country to ransom time and again and the dirty Indian political system’s can’t do anything against them as they form a substantial vote bank.
Mr. Ahmed,
I clearly said those were not my words, nor i am a contributor to wikipedia, don’t worry.
There are many cases where sangh activists are wrongly cornered. Jhabua rape case, where the initial reports was that hindu fanatics raped the nuns, the later police investigation revealed that more than half of the people were christians themselves and the act was part of some local issues. Similarly with small incidents of stolen bible, brocken statues etc in kerala and wynad were later proved to be false. Finally, even if Dara Singh does belong to the Bajrang Dal, it is doubtful if the 100 others accused do, and is still not proved.
First time i am hearing that Hindus are a vote bank, yes i would like the hindus to become a vote bank, but unfortunately it is not, whether you agree or not.
Regards
Arun
Hindus in India are a vote bank!! Stupid people who believe anything these fanatic leaders tell them! If they can be ready to die and bring down a mosque just because history says RAM was born at a site, how much evidence is needed to prove Indians are pathetic slaves to ideologies?? We have been slaves to english people for so long that since they left, we find it hard to actually live on our own, and now need hindu masters to use us like slaves, kill on their order and follow some of the word’s most bizarre and outdated rituals like dowry and child marriage!! shame on being an Indian…worst part is, the part of our hindu society who are murderers simply deny their acts which shows their sinister mentality towards other living beings!
OH YES HINDUS ARE A VOTE, THE BIGGEST PROOF IS RISE OF JP PARTY AFTER BABRI MASJID DEMOLITION AND THE COMMUNALIZATION OF COUNTRY BASED ON THAT…OF COURSE HINDU PEOPLE ARE VOTE IN THE NAME OS FAKE HINDUTVA AGENDA!!
Anush wanted proof or me saying about increasing Rapes in and around delhi…dude, just go over this website, and they infact have click able links to where they are getting information, most of them indian government sites only…
A ZILLION REASONS TO ESCAPE FROM INDIA!!!
http://escapefromindia.wordpress.com/
WAO, THIS IS JUST MIND BOGGLING, UPPER CASTE HINDU SOCIETY INCLUDING MY OWN WAS SO VULGAR AND OUTDATED I DIDN;T REALLY KNOW, I MEAN I HAD A IDEA HOW IMMORAL AND SUBHUMAN MOST HINDUS ARE, BUT THIS JUST TOPS THEM ALL, PLEASE ..
MR. ARUN,
MR. RAHUL,
MR. RAJEEV,
MR. ANUSH OR BETTER I THINK ALL OF YOU ARE JUST ONE… DO READ THIS WEBSITE, AND TELL ME WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA!!
HERE IS THE LINK AGAIN:
http://escapefromindia.wordpress.com/
What a coincidence… more RIOTING AND LOOT in a state ruled by BHARAT JALAO PARTY AKA BJP.
BJP is party who is only in existence because of communal tensions between communities, they cannot survive if people start trusting each other, that’s why they let people to come on streets and do all the riots…
well these uneducated losers cannot learn from the expected defeat in election, they will only eventually learn when they will have rule in any state of india expect for Gujarat from their Gujju patels and gujju kedia need them for satisfying their lust for minority women…
UNCIVILIZED BRUTE…you seem to enjoy raping and killing women of Hindu organisations in USA- perhaps because of your own habit of raping and killing in USA- you are making baseless allegations…
Ramesh- leave this man- let him make below- the – belt comments- do not descend to his level. His language and manners are all revealed by his snides- his moral and mental bankruptcy- and hate campaign is revealed. Let him talk rubbish- counter it using only proper language. He is not even worth responding to. A man who openly calls his opponents as Rapists- himself is a pervert and a foul-mouthed man- and such abusers do not deserve any responses…
Of course- he can only abuse…thats all the opponents of this site can do. Thats also what the opponents of Dr Ali Sina can do- on this site- http://www.faithfreedom.org
Only when someone has no logical arguments to counter- do they resort to such abuses.
I WILL GIVE YOU LOGIC FOR YOUR LIFE
BHARAT JALAO PARTY launched a HATE campaign against congress and got kicked from all the corners of INDIA!!
MAKES ANY SENSE? PARTIES WHO ARE WELL WISHERS OF PEOPLE DO NOT LOOSE LIKE IDIOTS, EVERY PART OF THE COUNTRY HAS SLAPPED RIGHT ON YOUR FACES AND THEN YOU SHAMELESS FANATICS CAN’T STOP BRAGGING ABOUT YOUR PARTY AND ITS GOOD??
ONLY 2 STATES WHERE BJP had some good to show
1. BIHAR – The most uneducated, corrupted and criminally charged state of India, makes sense why BJP won there haha!!
2. KARNATAKA – Communalism spread by BJP affiliates is well working in that part of the country, just like GUJARAT, where slowly people are realizing tru face of TERRORIST MODI..that’s why where as modi claimed to sweep gujarat was barely able to stay a little ahead of congress…
And what about Chhattisgarh? The Congress’ rout in Orissa? And what about the “LOVE CAMPAIGN” launched by Congress against the BJP? Congress launched a far worse campaign than the BJP…
In any case- BJP defeat is immaterial. Winning and losing is a part of elections. If the BJP had won- would you have abandoned your hate comments against it?
Thats a different issue- which should be discussed outside this forum.
And you are contradicting yourself- you are saying BJP got kicked out from all corners of India- and yet it won in all corners of India- in East in Bihar and Jharkhand- in South in Karnataka- in Centre in Chhattisgarh, in West in Gujarat- and in North in Himachal.
In any case- I have nothing to do with the BJP.
And BJP is not all our party- we have nothing to do with it. Let BJP win or lose- it doesnt matter to us… what matters to me- is that a foul-mouthed man like you be brought to his senses.
And I have seen your site zillion reasons to escape from India. How many reasons to escape from Pakistan and Bangladesh?
To know the beauty of Hindu religion- see this-
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.hindu/msg/b225aa5ef5266000
yea of course you have nothing to do with BJP. Lol, this site is work of BJP and its supporters itself, A SITE THAT JUSTFIES RIOTS IN THE NAME OF ANGER can only be a FASCIST MINDED SITE. Because I don’t see myself killing innocent people when those who killed has nothing to do with me…
58 innocents were burned in the train, was whole gujarat connected to them?? were all those people on the streets lost a loved that caused them to go into madness??
200 people died in MUMBAI, where was the same anger then? why didn’t those people kill innocents after that??
WINNING OR LOOSING IS PART OF ELECTION… Tell me when actually did BJP win India with a comprehensive mandate of people? only time they have been able to rule is with coalition of their stupid supporters…
And surely Bangladesh and Pakistan are worse than India.. but India is also becoming a worse place to live dude to increasing crimes against women and hatred spread by BHARAT JALO PARTY N CO.
I will give you two things for BEAUTY OF OUR HINDUISM
1. SATI SYSTEM
2. CASTE SYSTEM
And don’t bark back that sati has been abolished now, because hindu culture is 5000 years old, even if we call it a culture and sati was practiced for all those years, and has been only abolished few hundred years ago!!
A religion that separates people based on their caste can respect humanity?/ we nomitae schedule castes and poor to remain like they are from the birth, and you want to tell me beauty of our culture…
Really? Mr FASCIST- you are the one jumping to conclusions. YOU ARE JUMPING TO THE CONCLUSION that this site JUSTIFIED riots whereas it does nothing of the sort.
Both of your arguments are RUBBISH.
1- SATI STARTED DURING MUSLIM RULE- undoubtedly it was wrong but the intention was to save women froma bduction by Muslims.
IN ANCIENT INDIA- WIDOWS WERE ALLOWED TO REMARRY- AS PER THE HISTORY TEXT BOOK WRITTEN BY YOUR CONGRESS GOVERNMENT’S HISTORIANS IN MAHARASHTRA.
AT A TIME WHEN THE EUROPEANS LOOKED AT WOMEN AS TREES AND TORTURED AND KILLED THEM AS WITCHES- ANCIENT INDIA ALLOWED WIDOWS TO REMARRY.
SOME PARTS OF THE VEDAS ARE WRITTEN BY WOMEN SCHOLARS- THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.
WHAT DID THE EUROPEANS DO TO WOMEN IN MEDIEVAL PERIOD? AND WHAT DOES ISLAM SAY ABOUT WOMEN DO YOU KNOW?
Even today- in Islam women are considered 50 % of men. Read the Quran to know it.
As for Hinduism- MANUSMRITI SAYS- “Where women are honoured- there God’s dwell. Where they are not honoured- no religious devotion works”.
2- CASTE SYSTEM. WHAT HAVE NON-HINDU CRITICS CONTRIBUTED TO REMOVING THIS? ONLY GREAT HINDUS HAVE TRIED TO REMOVE THIS CASTE SYSTEM. To compensate for the past- reservations are being given.
NO HUMAN COMMUNITY EVER EXISTED IN THE PAST- NOR DOES IT EXIST NOW- WHICH DOES NOT HAVE CASTE SYSTEM IN SOME FORM OR THE OTHER. For your information- there are 33,820 castes in Christianity- as per Vatican Year 2000 book’s own admission. In ISLAM THERE ARE MORE THAN 83 CASTES-AND THEY KILL EACH OTHER- (SHIA SUNNI DIVIDE) Hindu society is far more peaceful.
WHEN HINDU SOCIETY WAS PRACTISING CASTEISM- THE REST OF THE WORLD WAS PRACTISING SLAVERY. Islam and Chritstianity both practised slavery. Hindus never had slavery. Do not look at the past from today’s time. Compare the past with how the rest of the world was at that time.
AND THIS CASTEISM IS NOT THE FAULT OF HINDUISM- IT IS THE FAULT OF HINDUS. MANUSMRITI AND MAHABHARATA CLEARLY SAY THAT CASTE IS BY CONDUCT- NOT BY BIRTH.
And to know why no reaction took place after Mumbai- read the article- Difference between Godhra and other tragic incidents- in the chapter “The Godhra Carnage” in this site itself.
And what did your AMERICANS DO TO NEGROS- BLACK INDIANS WHO WERE THE ORIGINAL RESIDENTS OF USA? WHAT SORT OF TREATMENT WAS GIVEN TO BLACKS LEGALLY- BY THE USA UNTIL 1968?
For your information- Blacks were discriminated with FULL LEGAL SUPPORT -in the USA…
how come FANATICS know the same content?? between I am eagerly waiting for ADVANI to come out TV and show his looser face once to the public before he finally quits because of shame, and with you retard fucks, I’m done with you..
keep singing to the tunes of hatred, and your ideologies will keep getting kicked out of sane and civilized world..
just the idea of putting modi as PM gave u a shocking result in elections, you think normal indian thinks you guys are doping any favor to the nation??
EVERY ONE KNOWS YOU GUYS ARE ENEMIES OF INDIA, OR ELSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TRUSTED RSS IDEOLOGICAL AND POLITICAL ARM BJP. THEY KNOW MODI IS A CRIMINAL MINDED RSS CADRE…HE IS CLOSE TO HITLER BUT NOT THERE YET BECAUSE HITLER ACTUALLY HAD BALLS TO SUICIDE, THIS LOOSER CAN;T EVEN TIE HIS OWN LUNGI…
YOU GUYS ARE BUNCH OF PATHETIC LOSERS. I WON;T COME BACK HERE TO POST BECAUSE TRUTH IS OUT THERE AND THAT’S WHAT WE WILL HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME…
Satī (Devanagari: सती, the feminine of sat “true”; also called suttee)[3] was a funeral practice among some Hindu communities in which a recently widowed woman would either voluntarily or by use of force and coercion immolate herself on her husband’s funeral pyre. This practice is now very rare and outlawed in modern India.[1]
The term is derived from the original name of the goddess Sati, also known as Dakshayani, who self-immolated because she was unable to bear her father Daksha’s humiliation of her (living) husband Shiva. The term may also be used to refer the widow herself. The term sati is now sometimes interpreted as “chaste woman.”
JUST TO SHOW HOW DEEPLY YOU AND YOUR KIND LIE, READ ABOVE DEFINITION OF SATI.
This practice is in india since the times of the gods, you idiot well before muslims entered our country, the thing is you hate minorities so much that everything that happens in India according to you is fault of muslims, if you couldn’t read the definition clearly here it is again..
The term is derived from the original name of the goddess Sati, also known as Dakshayani, who self-immolated because she was unable to bear her father Daksha’s humiliation of her (living) husband Shiva.
NOW SAY JAIII SHREEE RAMMMMMM
I AM DONE WITH THIS PLACE OF HATRED :O
JOKE OF THE DAY:
INDIA NEVER HAD SLAVERY!!!
GO LOOK ON THE STREETS TODAY, WHEN YOU SEE POOR GIRLS BEGGING FOR MONEY, 10 YEAR OLD BOYS WASHING DISHES AND HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN ADOPTED IN NAME OF WELFARE AND THEN USED AS SLAVES…
INDIANS HAVE USED LOWER CATE PEOPLE AS SLAVES YOU LIAR, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT INDIA NEVER HAD SLAVERY?? DUDE SLAVERY IS IN INDIA EVERYWHERE, OH JUST BECAUSE WE ARE COWARDS AND WE DON;LT ACCEPT IT DOESN’T MEAN IT IS NOT THERE…
QUITE IRONICALLY HOW RSS IS TERRORIST ORGANIZATION BUT DOE SNOT ACCEPT IR DOES NOT MAKE IT A GOOD ONE OTHERWISE!! JAI HIND.
people like deepak flee to US and bark from there…firstly see how much u contributed to ur culture ….First look the so called free and fair america full of christians illtreated its black brothers as slave..and the ppl begging on the streets is not our fault but is the result of politicians and the british exploitation..and look at the conditions of other minorities in other countries nobody is so well treated as in india.Hindus are butchered in pakistan and bangladesh and noone rises a word…
Deepak simply rants in each of his comments. No facts. Just plain blah blah. And such self proclaimed “humanitarians” are sitting in the USA, entirely disconnected from what is happening in India. But when they can’t resist the urge to preach, they start talking about humanity and compassion, spiced with the digs on Hinduism and RSS. It would indeed be great if all pseudo-seculars would follow Deepak’s footsteps and quit India for good.
pile of lies.
i feel modis dictatorial and fascist attitude will hurt genuine hindu nationalism.its undoubtably riots sponsored by state. whta happened to modi when thappar questioned him??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcEvO-FulKo
vajapayee and advani wanted him to quit but were worried about eroding its hindu base.
sad true ideals of BJP are being tarnished by this arrogant mass murderer.
Ranjan bhai,
Don’t give this video link as a proof. one video can’t prove anything. if that is the case, look to those proofs which these site has given.
dude you are lacking behind pretty much.
Shailendra, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN INDIA IS BJP just lost by a pathetic margin, and what is happening in INDIA is people are going to keep a government in power who is not filled with criminals and goons and haters of minorities… that’s whats is happening in iNDIA, yea other than that I dun know much about india.
What is happening in BJP office? everyone crying and wiping each others tears??
No i don’t think so people has not chosen the crimnals. 150 MP’s are elected with crimnal records and 41 MP’s are from congress (sajjan and tytler wasn’t there).
In Andhra Pradesh, there is a party called Lok Satta. its very famous in the educated citizens of that state. because their candidates are highly qualified and with the clean image. but still that state voted out for congress instead of knowing the facts that congress has done imense damage to the state. Bomb Blasts, Satyam, infrastructural broke down, owaisi menance(MIM leader from Hyderabad)before elections etc. numerous of criminal candidates are also there form this party. but still the result……
I think this countrymen didn’t want a honest man because they scare of them.
Is desh ka bhala nahi ho sakta?
The Contrast
In Pakistan: During partition Hindu population in Pakistan was aprox 20% of the population and it was reduced to 1.6%. Hindu temples were destroyed and an Islamic state was established in that state baring religious freedom of practice. At present Hindus being a minority in Pakistan with just 1.6% of the population do not enjoy any benefit by way of government policy or any aid is provided. They are at the most venerable by living in the country and are being attacked by Islamic extremist when any Muslims are attacked in India.
In India: The situation in India is quite different. Muslims are a minority in India (even though they constitute 17% of our population) who enjoys all the privilege from government by way of reservations and they even have the subsidies for their religions rituals like Haj. All political parties to capitalise on the Muslim vote banks support them even if they provide shelter to extremists and they even contest in elections who are sent to Assembly and Lok sabha seats.
Any attack of Muslim appears as the head line in all Newspaper and the funny thing is; for a temporary shelters to be installed in Amarnath temple the sate government couldn’t do it due to opposition from Muslims and Hindus has to struggle for more that a month to get it done.
The hard-line: Hindus can’t even put up a temporary shelter for them selves in a Hindu majority country due to opposition from Muslims
The worst for any Hindu could hear is he will be named communal or Hindu fanatic if he speaks for his community.
Birds eye view: The population of Muslims in India during partition was 12% and it increased to 16% to 17 % in 2001 according to census, conversely the Hindu population decreased from 87.2 %( 1951) to 80.5% in 2001.
My Last Question to all:
When Centuries back Jews were all over the world, and now they are fighting to establish a Jew state. Size of state :A spec on world map.
Will Hinduism survive or will face a same fate Jews are facing?
Balla Ji,
Israel is far more stronger, patriotic and daring nation than us.Israel is a democratic nation 1/19th the size of California, surrounded by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships with 640 times her size, 60 times her population. And yet none of these islamic nation can dare to attack this country.
In our case, just surrounded by 2 islamic nations, have 2nd highest number of population, lots of arms and ammuneration (proudly nuclear)but still can’t resolved tiniest issues.
Difference: Dareness, willing to protect citizens and ofcourse no vote bank poitics which prevent us to imply the toughest law for our own safety.
I agree with that- Dareness. Do you think we can handle this threat after 100 years when our population has dwindled down and they are no more minority.
The only way is to spread the msg to bring the correct people to power. NDA introduced POTA, UPA removed POTA. why soft on terrosim?
Because the Muslims comunity in India feels that POTA is against them. In order to gain their vote bank UPA has removed POTA.
A golden quote:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel. – courtesy plancksconstant.org
It would do Muslims well to start teaching their children important things other than how to blow themselves up
If deepak say we show hatred, are the muslims giving roses?
for deepak: http://www.faithfreedom.org/
If you have some mind that accepts facts, pls read the above site.
//ONLY 2 STATES WHERE BJP had some good to show
1. BIHAR – The most uneducated, corrupted and criminally charged state of India, makes sense why BJP won there haha!!
2. KARNATAKA – Communalism spread by BJP affiliates is well working in that part of the country, just like GUJARAT, where slowly people are realizing tru face of TERRORIST MODI..that’s why where as modi claimed to sweep gujarat was barely able to stay a little ahead of congress…//
May b ppl of Bihar r uneducated n corrupt,so r the ppl of Amethi, Rae Barelli (most of them r adivasis n illiterates).
N ppl of karnataka r the most educated n highly qualified ppl yet they voted 4 BJP. Tat proves they don buy ur abov speculations r the cong govt’s pseudo-secularism.
@Deepak
//
What is happening in BJP office? everyone crying and wiping each others tears??
//
Its hard 4 knuckleheads lik u 2 understand tat u don hav 2 b necessarily the rulin party 2 work 4 the ppl.
@Deepak
U say u r against 02 riots n tats y u hate BJP.
Also, u say u r against 84 anti-sikh riots but still support Cong.
Tat shows ur double standards.
RAJNATH, I really hope you are not the looser president of BJP, because I don’t talk to losers. But yes I am way much hurt by riots of 02, and of course about the riots of 84, even though I wasn’t born at that time, I have heard they were even worse riots then 02. But congress leaders have moved on apologized to whole nation for the tragic year, and congress does not have hatred filled in their hearts for sikhs for that incident. On the other BJP follows RSS/VHP ideology which are utterly filled with hatred for muslims and Christians of India abd are continuously causing riots in different parts of the country, be it Lucknow or Orrisa.
Whenever I talk about sikh riots, I tell my parents how Congress leadership then did wrong to innocents, I never would favor a person who can justify killings of innocents, but BJP has continuously justified Gujarat riots as a “Reaction” to Godhra, and this can be clearly seen in this site, it is clearly a work on looser followers of BJP. They have continuously try to say that PEOPLE GOT ANGRY OVER INACTION OF THE GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA AND STARTED RIOTS…WHAT A PATHETIC SHAME TO BLAME PEOPLE FOR EVIL DEEDS OF BJP FOR POWER AND VOTE BANK OF HINDU PEOPLE!!
At least congress doesn’t have a evil plan to wipe our minorities from the county like BJP does, that is why Congress leadership is far better than ADVANI + MODI + SUSHMA + RAJNATH + VARUN + so on…BJP WILL NOT COME IN POWER IN 40 years, and I can write it down on an piece of paper and hand out to all of you.
@ RAJNATH, If it is not important for a party to be in power to work for people, then I advise BJP to not contest anymore elections, and only focus on working for the people!!
No one in India joins politics to work for people, and right now all this chattering ADVANI is causing in parliament about mumbai attacks, he will shut the fuck up and sit on his seat after 2 days. He has been pumped from behind, from his masters in RSS to bark in parliament and show that he has still something left in him, wait for a 2 days and you will see him hiding in his bench with a big head phone on his head…LMAO!!!
@ HINDU — You are telling others to not give video links as proof, what proof has this site given, it constantly repeats “The Times Of India” as its resource, if you have got a high school diploma, you should know a newspaper cannot be used a proof of something, because newspapers are ONLY REPORTING WHAT THE OFFICIALS AND POLICE OF THE STATE TELLING THEM… That in no way becomes the truth!!
If Times of India says Modi fanatically called army into the state, it does not become the truth, if POLICE COMMISSIONER OF GUJARAT SAYS WE KILLED 50 HINDUS IN SHOOTING TODAY, THAT DOES NOT BECOME THE TRUTH YOU MORON!!
@Deepak
“RAJNATH, I really hope you are not the looser president of BJP, because I don’t talk to losers.”
The name is Rajath not Rajnath, fucko!
“But yes I am way much hurt by riots of 02, and of course about the riots of 84, even though I wasn’t born at that time, I have heard they were even worse riots then 02. But congress leaders have moved on apologized to whole nation for the tragic year.”
A mere apology isn’t good enuff. None of the prime accused hav been convicted yet. Atleast in Gujarat all the culprits were punished.
“On the other BJP follows RSS/VHP ideology which are utterly filled with hatred for muslims and Christians of India abd are continuously causing riots in different parts of the country, be it Lucknow or Orrisa.”
“At least congress doesn’t have a evil plan to wipe our minorities from the county like BJP does.”
Nope, the Cong doesn’t hav a plan 2 wipe the minority but a even bigger plan 2 wipe the majority.
“BJP WILL NOT COME IN POWER IN 40 years, and I can write it down on an piece of paper and hand out to all of you.”
Fine! Keep some copies 4 urself coz wen u proved wrong, tat might come handy against you.
Dear all-
There is absolutely no point in talking to this man. It is time to completely ignore him- or he will keep pasting foul words here.
This man says- “If Times of India” says Army was frantically- it is NOT the truth. When TV channels and ALL newspapers- including ToI reported this- Deepak is the only man disagreeing. When TV channels showed Army doing a flag march on the 2nd day- i.e. 1st March- still for him- TV cameras are lying.
There is no way in the world he will change his opinion or attitude- no point arguing with him. Only if his alegations are serious- and factually wrong- (Such as the baseless claim that no one from BJP/RSS was killed by terrorists) then reply.
Mr Deepak-
There is no point in further discussing and abusing and criticizing in this forum. We have nothing new to talk about.
I will only give you one suggestion. Do not spite at your motherland because of the poverty and iliteracy- of the people. You are what you are by accident of birth. These americans- and you could also have been born in a family of beggers. Thank your stars that you were not born there-and try your level best to improve the condition of India- instead of criticising unrestricted. Constructive and just criticism is always welcome.
@ mods
Y was my post deleted???
Mr Rajath,
Which of you comments was deleted? We generally keep all comments- and delete them only if foul words are used. Perhaps- this time by mistake -along with the ones containing foul words- yours was also deleted.
If it did not contain foul language- and was still inadvertently deleted- our full apologies. If that is not the case- kindly post the comment again-we will review it.
Regards
Moderators
@mods
it didn’t contain nything offensiv, except 4 Deepak. It revealed sum facts abt his beloved America.
In Deepak’s mind getting in2 America is the ultimate salvation of life. Ther’s nothin beyond.
Lemme describe the situation from our perspectiv. Ther was this boy Deepak, who failed miserably in India. His parents were really worried n pulled sum huge favours, financial loans etc. 2 send him 2 America. This boy who was nothin in India blossomed n became sumthing in America.
Bottom line: ” A boy who was fool among the best became the best among the fools”
Its us, v r the real successful ppl. V hav cracked the toughest of the living conditions n prospered in our lives, not a LOSER who ran away from it lik u!
Lol @ Rajath…
Prospered our lives?? I was in delhi last year and went to see my friend in SAGARPUR, and there is huge smelling nala there, that has been there for last 20 years… and this is the capital of India!!! Dude if India cannot remove nalas from its big cities, how the hell are you guys prospering? Have you seen the condition of MUMBAI?? when it rains, the cities are jammed, yea that’s called prospering…
What you think is PROSPERING LIFE is barely making a living bro, if you ever get a passport and are given US visa, do make a visit and I will show what prospering in life means, where you can breath in fresh air knowign that you are not drinking pollution as part of your life!!
GO TALK ABOUT PROSPERING TO YOUR FAMILY AND LOOK AT EACH OTHERS BLACKENED DARK FACES…MORON
Just to give you more