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Recently there is an article being circulated - “Why India needs Narendra Modi?” by Suhel Seth. But I have passed your website to expose suhel’s lies and replied as follows:
> I have perhaps written more articles against Modi and his handling of the post-Godhra scenario than most people have; I have called him a modern-day Hitler and have always said that Godhra shall remain an enduring blemish not just on him but on India’s political class. I still believe that what happened in Gujarat during the Godhra riots is something we as a nation will pay a heavy price for.
Sometimes I wonder at these 3rd rate journalists who seem to be doing repentance, paragraphs like the above writtem by such SICKular yellow journalists have damaged Modi forever, not just India’s image. Modern day Hitler? Does he have basic arithmetic sense? Hitler murdered 6,000,000 jews where as Modi was presiding a state where public retribution for Islamic Terrorism that burnt 58 hindus was mere 790 Muslims. Islamic Terrorism caused another 254 Hindus to lose their lives for no reason. This scum has lost any credibility to write about Modi.
> And it was not some official meeting but instead one at his house. As frugal as the man Modi is.
And what does that mean? Was he expecting favors to write facts!? How much did he get from ISI and Christian evangelical quarters to Hitlerize Modi? IMHO we don’t need such journos, they can switch sides in a jiffy, dharma be damned!
@Indian in KSA
If you think that this site has only LIES and false information- then bring your evidence and prove this site wrong on any part you like. That is the problem with people like you. You can only LIE and make allegations of LIES etc without pinpointing exactly what is wrong.
The challenge is already declared here.
And as for your claim that “Riots were “planned” and had nothing to do with Godhra”- you will get a NOBLE PRIZE FOR FICTION for this claim. Even a blind man will know that riots were a reaction to Godhra.
The reports of pseudo-secularists like PUCL, and Concerned Citizens are all pieces of trash. They have no credibility and no evidence- just wild allegations made. The JUSTICE TEWATIA REPORT made by a retired High Court CHIEF JUSTICE D S TEWATIA is pasted here on this site. Read this with open eyes. And as for the outrageous claim that crimes against women were underreported- a Muslim woman member of the Women’s Commission is on record saying on Tehelka’s site on 22 April 2002- that violence against minority women is EXAGGERATED- not under reported.
By making such wild allegations on this site- without proof- you only lose credibility. Its like Muslims debating with Ali Sina of http://www.faithfreedom.org Muslims have no knowledge of Sina’s arguments and Islam- but out of faith in Islam they dare to abuse Sina without countering his arguments in a scholarly manner.
This website is full of fabricated information and it looks like the VHP, RSS or people loyal to Modi and who get funds from Modi have prepared all the half-baked articles full of filthy LIES in this website.
Just read this part about the State and police complicity in the genocide
Initially, the Godhra train tragedy was touted as the trigger for the riots that spread like wildfire all across Gujarat. However, it quickly became clear that the carnage was planned well before the Godbra train tragedy and that the anti-Muslim hate propaganda increased in the six months prior to February 2002. (1) The People’s Union for Democratic Rights (PUDR), one of India’s premiere human rights organizations, said in its report on the violence in Gujarat, “The whole intent of the pogrom has been to reduce Muslims to second class citizens in their own country.” (1) The report states that the organizers of the genocide tapped into a seam of hatred that had been systematically cultivated against the minority Muslim community over many years.
The People’s Union for Civil Liberties (PUCL) also voiced the same sentiment insisting that the violence witnessed in Gujarat was not perpetrated by Hindus, but that an agency was responsible for it. According to Renu Khanna of the PUCL, the organization does not believe that the riots were “Hindu-Muslim riots” but were completely engineered by the chief minister, VHP, Bajrang Dal and RSS. (2) Another report by the Citizens’ Initiative, a coalition of over twenty-five NGOs that recorded testimony of sexual violence in Gujarat, cites that members of the Bajrang Dal and VHP were distributing arms in rural areas as early as six months before the violence began. (3) Similarly, Human Rights Watch reported that “in the days that followed February 28, hundreds of youths brandishing swords, daggers, axes, and iron rods were seen shouting ‘Jai Shri Ram’ and roaming roads lined with gutted shops and littered with burned trucks, rickshaws, and other vehicles.” (4)
Sexual violence and police complicity
The report sponsored by the Citizens’ Initiative contains more than 30 pages of testimonials from female victims and eyewitnesses to the violence based on investigations conducted at the end of March. Among its findings is the fact that crimes against women have been grossly underreported and under-recorded by the police.
Mr. Deepak and Abdul :-
If you are so much intrested in proving the website untrue , then why don’t you accept the challenge ??
Chapter 9 verse 5 of quran - Where ever you find the idolators cut them, bisiege them , sieze them , ambush them…..What is its true ‘context’? The debate on http://www.islam-watch.org makes it clear what the context of this is.
This is what Muhammad said !!
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE -
IN PAKISTAN 3 OUT OF EVERY 4 WOMEN IN JAIL ARE RAPE VICTIMS!!
IF A RAPED WOMAN FILED A CASE THEN SHE HAS TO PRODUCE 4 MALE WITNESSES FOR THE INCIDENCE !!
N IF SHE IS ENABLE TO GET THE 4 MALE WITNESSES SHE IS WORTHY OF BEING PUNSHIED AND IS JAILED !!
SO TELL ME YOU USELESS PEOPLE FROM WHERE WILL SHE PRODUCE 4 MALE WITNESSES !! THE RAPIST WILL NOT RAPE THE WOMAN INFRONT OF 4 MALES !!
AND IF HE DOSE THE REMAINING 4 PEOPLE WILL BE THE CO RAPISTS !!
THIS IS WHAT YOUR MINDS THINK ABOUT WOMAN !!
AND Mr. Deepak , you are just the slave of these leechers and a leecher like muhammad !!And you are the same as they !!
SEE THESE VERSES OF QURAN-
A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)
Slave-girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).
Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:
65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)
THIS IS JUST WHAT RAPISTS ARE !!
JAI HIND!!
@All Indians-
Do look at what Muslims genuinely believe. They believe that VHP torched the train in Godhra, kar sewaks (Peace be upon them) kidnapped a girl, but this is nothing. They also believe that 9/11 attacks were done by Jews, 7/11 Mumbai bombs by RSS, 26/11 Mumbai attacks by RSS and Mossad and what not.
I am surprised that you did not say that Jews did 9/11 attacks- which 95 % Muslims believe. In any case, you leave no doubts in the minds of non-Muslims as to who is a fool- by making such a claim on 9/11. Even your strongest supporter DEEPAK will not buy the theory that 9/11 attacks were done by US Government.
In any case- as for the BLASPHEMY committed by me on Muhammad- if you prove how this is wrong- I will take back my words and apologize.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/rapist.htm
Your own HAdiths and Quran mention this. Quran also says nowhere- “SLAVERY IS BAD. SLAVERY SHOULD BE ABOLISHED” Instead- it allows Muslims to RAPE their slave girls even if they are married. If this is OUT OF CONTEXT- then tell me the right context. You also havent told me the right context of 9:5, 3:151, 22:19-22. In the whole Quran, out of around 6,100 passages- there are HUNDREDS which are like this- predicting DOOM and HELL for all non-Muslims. Are all of them “out of context”? I agree completely that there is no point in talking to fools. That is what I feel you are. Yes-I may have attacked the religion Islam, insulted the Holy Prophet (PBUH), but if I am wrong- prove me wrong- I will correct myself. And for cowards- Ali Sina is not a coward- he is a wise man. Muslims are capable of killing anyone who they think harms their religion-they killed the Japanese translator of “Satanic Verses” - or maybe even that was done by Jews to blame Muslims. Cowards are those who believe LIES, LIERS, RAPISTS and call them as “God’s Prophets” for fear of Hell- closing their minds.
@All Indians: Once a wise person said, “Arguing with a fool is like two fools arguing with each other”.
I have told dozens of times that we muslims as a whole condemn burning of Sabarmati Express that resulted in the loss of innocent lives. This fool Ramesh keeps repeating that I am trying to justify killing the innocents. He is bringing up 9/11 attacks to accuse muslims, and again he is wrong because eminent scientists from USA have clearly explained that bombs were planted inside the twin towers that burst out as soon as the plane crashed. It was a controlled demolition which could be done by none other than the American govt itself. Many wise Non-Muslim American scholars have themselves stated that whoever believes that muslim terrorists were responsible for sept 11 attacks are the BIGGEST FOOLS on earth.
The reason why I dont want to argue anymore is because such ignorant fools are going to the extremes of blasphemous acts against a religion. If the moderators of this website are promoting acts of Blasphemy there is no use of arguing with such shameless fools.
And as for Zakir Naik listen to what clerics of Islam have to say about him.
http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/Challenge-to-Close-Islam-watch-Debate-on-Sword-Verse.htm
and
http://hasnain.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/zakir-naik-declared-kafir-by-ahle-sunnat-%E2%80%8F-ulama-fatwa-in-india/
And as for you Deepak- (SLAVE OF ISLAM and USA) HAREN PANDYA ACCUSED MODI OF giving instructions to police to be inactive MONTHS AFTER THE MEETING- AFTER HE HIMSELF FELL OUT WITH MODI.
You have to judge what Modi did not by what one disgruntled man said- but by WHAT GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY DID- POLICE FIRED 1,000 on the first day and killed 10 Hindus in Ahmedabad, 2 outside Ahmedabad. Police saved thousands of Muslims in Sanjeli, Bodeli and Viramgam. And of course VITTHAL PANDYA has no credibility- he has called the riots a ‘genocide of Muslims’ and “thousands of Muslims were killed” when the fact is that there was no genocide and 790 Muslims were killed. Pandya also quoted Modi as saying- “Every Muslim is a traitor”- had Modi really said that- the whole media would have gone downtown with it. YOGINDER SIKAND IS A HORRIBLY ANTI-BJP man.
This website is by no means a slave of Modi- it actually criticized BJP and Modi for MISERABLY FAILINGTO BRINGOUT THE TRUTH OF THE RIOTS- and not suing Tehelka for crores of rupees despite evidenceof its crimes.
You two Deepak and Abdul will CONVINIENTLY IGNORE and AVOID THE TRICKY QUESTIONS THAT I AM RAISING-
QURAN 3:151
Quran 9:5
Quran 22:19-22
POLICE SAVING MUSLIMS IN SANJELI, BODELI VIRAMGAM. The hundreds of Hindus also killed BY MUSLIMS EVEN AFTER GODHRA.
@Abdul-
THESE VERSES IF THE BHAGWAD GEETA ARE ONLY FOR FIGHTING KAURAVAS who were evil people. They had Duryodhan who misbehaved withDraupadi and tried to disrobe her. Arjuna was SHYING FROMHIS DUTY as a warrior to fight EVIL- and all these quotaions from Geeta are merely to inspire ARJUN to FIGHT EVIL PEOPLE LIKE KAURAVAS.
As for the Quranic passages- you first answer what is “out of context” in this passage- by reading the debate below:
http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/Challenge-to-Close-Islam-watch-Debate-on-Sword-Verse.htm
You outrageous claim that GEETA CONTAINS MORE VIOLENCE than Quran is rubbish. Geeta only talks of self-defence- and that too against evil people. ISLAM CLASSIFIES HUMANS as 2 people:
1- BELIEVERS (MUSLIMS) WHO BELONG TO GOD
2- NON-BELIEVERS WHO WIL GO TO HELL.
Nowhere in the Geeta does Krishna advocated the punishment that is promised to non-Muslims in 22:19-22 in Quran- viz- boiling water onheads, roasting bodies, inserting hooked iron rods.
NOW ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTION-
Chapter 3 Verse 151 of the Quran (Striking terror in hearts of disbelievers) what is the context and meaning of this?
Chapter 22 Verses 19-22- what is the context and meaning of this?
THIS WEBSITE IS 100 % right. This website is NOT ABOUT QURAN, VITTHAL PANDYA or HAREN PANDYA. Let us- for argument’s sake assume that karsewaks had indeed kidnapped a girl. That doesnt mean Muslims have a right to kill 25 women and 15 children. What was the fault of these 25 women and 15 children? As as for this site- on the issue of the post-Godhra riots- if you can refute a single argument in a scholarly manner- NOT IN YOUR LIER ISLAMIC MANNER (ALLEGING KIDNAPPING OF A GIRL whose story had several loopholes- the site will make changes accordingly.
I am waiting for you to tell me the CONTEXT of 9:5, 3:151, 22:19-22. This page answeingchristianity given by you is a most pathetic attempt to refute Ali Sina. A much better refutation was attempted by scholars Ghamidi and his disciple from Pakistan. For dealing with a man as scholarly and wise as ALI SINA you Muslims need beter than these bunch of amateurish debators- and more men like Ghamidi. This Ali Sina exposed linkis one the most pathetic attempts- what about his dozen charges against Muhammad quoting Quran, and Hadith?
In any case- YOU MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT IDOLATOTS ARE FOOLS, WORSHIPING GOD IN THE FORM OF AN IDOL is equal to worshipping someone else other than God- and the JEALOUS GOD will throw us all in Hell for worshipping MUD, STONEs, STATUES instead of idols.Quran chapter 4 Verse 48 says:
“Allah forgives everything- but not setting partners upon him”. So a Muslim murderer can be forgiven, but Mahatma Gandhi will burn in Hell forever- because he was a polytheist according to Islam.
And of course- ISLAM IS FALSE- because there are HUNDREDS of CONTRADTCTIONS, ABSUDITIES, HISTORICAL BLUNDERS in the Quran.
If indeed God is jealous and punishes the false religion followrs, Muslims will be the first to go to Hell- for worshipping a man like Muhammad as a Prophet and sticking to Islam despite knowing the HUNDREDS of contradictions in the QURAN. Read 32:5 and 70:4 to know one such contradiction.
Also- Hindus have not killed crores of Muslims, carried out terrorist attacks worldwide like 9/11 and more than 12,000 after that worldwide or imposed JIZYAH TAX.
@Abdul
You Muslims who worship a rapist of a man who raped the prettiest women he captured in war-like the Jewish Safiyah after killing her father and husband as a “prophet” of God will believe all rubbish- such as the ludicrous claim that Sri Sri Ravi Shankar was ‘badly defeated.’ You will also believe nonsense that Muhammad split the moon, walked upto Allah etc You will also believe that Ali Sina is not accepting the debate with Zakir Naik- hiding the fact that ALI SINA HAS PROMISED TO COME TO MUMBAI IN A LIVE DEBATE IF DR ZAKIR NAIK FIRST DEFEATS HIM IN A WRITTEN ONE. This simple question you Muslims cannot answer is- “WHAT CAN ZAKIR NAIK SAY IN A TV DEBATE LIVE THAT HE CANNOT SAY IN WRITING?” Zakir Naik the bluffmaster has long lost all credibility- only SLAVES OF RAPIST MUHAMMAD, like you (DEEPAK-slave of Pakistan and Bangladesh- and Islam). To know how hollow Zakir Naik is- just look at his stupid answer on youtube to the question “WHO CREATED GOD?”
WHO CREATED THIS ALL POWERFUL ALLAH? And why didnt this Allah reveal how he came into existence in any of His Revealations- such as Old Testmanent or Quran?
As for Godhra- you quoted selected parts of the forensic lab report. Of course the height of the train was too high to throw petrol from outside because it was burnt AT SIGNAL FALIA not platform. This doesnt mean that Muslims did not do it.
By the way- this TEHELKA magazine has also admitted that MUSLIMS ROASTED THE TRAIN- only it tried to give provocation as kidnapping of a girl etc and call it a ’spontaneous
act’. They forgot to tell-
1- If Godhra was planned- it was worse than 9/11
2- If it was spontaneous, it was EVEN WORSE
Mr Abdul- once you say that VHP torched the train- at the other place you say that “What can ‘villagers’ (who were actually town people)be expected to do when their daughter is kidnapped”? (that is you admit that Muslims did it- but whats wrong? After all the girl was kidnapped)
Actually- there is no point in talking to you people. By the way- you SLAVE OF RAPIST PEDOPHILE WOMANIZER MUHAMMAD what is your evidence that VHP TORCHED THE TRAIN? NOT EVEN YOUR ISI-PAID TEHELKA HAS ACCUSED VHP OF TORCHING THE TRAIN.
As for VITTHAL PANDYA- the old man seems to have lost his balance and his anger against NARENDRA MODI for not giving Haren Pandya a ticket has led him to speak out- or maybe some liers like Deepak, you and Tehelka and Congress have PAID VITTHAL PANDYA to speak against Modi.
By the way- holding Modi “GUILTY” even after MUSLIMS have been CONVICTED is CONTEMPT OF COURT and DEFAMATION.