Gujarat Riots: The True Story

The Truth of the 2002 riots

The Godhra Carnage

Difference between Godhra and other tragic incidents

Several people- unable to understand the sufferings of the Hindu society- have asked- “Why did riots occur only after Godhra? Why was nobody targeted after the Akshardham temple attack- or after the attacks on Mumbai on 26 November 2008?” Well- the answers are many.

Myth 8: The Gujarat government was involved in the riots

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 Fact: The full details of the role of the government in controlling violence can be seen by opening the link.

Gujarat government of the BJP, headed by Narendra Modi was blind to the mushrooming of madrasas in the state. Not only that, the previous government headed by Keshubhai Patel too was equally blind to the same. From India Today we know that it was because of fear of harming the BJP’s newly discovered ‘secular’ image that the party did nothing to control the madrasas. It reported in its issue of 18th March 2002: “The general perception is that this was the venting of a latent anti-Muslim sentiment fostered by the unchecked activities of radical Islamic schools in the state. Being debated just as hotly is the question of why the authorities failed to check the blood-letting. Was it because the BJP feared its new-found secular image would suffer if it came down heavily on the fundamentalists? Or was it plain administrative inefficiency?”

   So, the BJP did not want to risk losing its ‘secular’ image. Maybe even if there was no such fear, the government would have been neutral and efficient in dealing with riots. But with the NDA allies at stake, ‘secular’ image at stake, and the powerful electronic media which was hostile, BJP Government of Gujarat was definitely determined to prevent riots.

The Gujarat government had to face the most difficult situation in trying to control the post-Godhra riots. That’s because Gujarat is an extremely communally sensitive state and often even minor things like kite flying and cricket matches are enough to cause riots.

To understand this issue fully we have already seen the horrific massacre in Godhra carried out on February 27. Gujarat has along history of communal violence-dating from 1714 AD and in the recent past saw horrible riots in the pre-Independence period of the 1940s and then again riots after Independence. The Times of India in its issue dated 13 April 2002 carried a report saying- “Trivial reasons sparked earlier riots” and begins with the sentence-

If it took a shocking massacre like Godhra to trigger off massive communal riots in the state in the 21st century, history shows that trivial incidents caused most riots in the 20th century…”

Now the situation was far worse in February 2002- after the gruesome killings in Godhra. But the Godhra killings were not the only cause. At that time, in 2002, there were war clouds between India and Pakistan following the attack on Parliament. There was great anger in Gujarat over terrorism and anti-national activity and over the growth of madarsas. Added to that was the Godhra incident and the rubbing of salts into people’s wounds after Godhra by the media and politicians.

The Telegraph, published from Kolkata, also reported on 1st March 2002: “(On Feb 28)  “There is a fire inside us. Our blood is boiling,” Mangalben, a woman from Dariapur, said. “What is the fault of those children who died? There is a volcano of anger.””

In other words-there was a volcano of anger among the masses, whose blood was boiling after the Muslims brutally roasted 59 kar sewaks including 15 children in Godhra.

Steps taken on February 27 (Wednesday)

On 27th February 2002 occurred the Godhra carnage at around 8 AM.

In brief, the steps taken on 27 February (Wednesday) were:

1)  The Gujarat Chief Minister, Shri Narendra Modi, rushed from Ahmedabad to Godhra and gave shoot-at-sight orders and imposed curfew at 9:45 am as reported by the English dailies at that time.

Link: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2256789.cms

2) The entire police force of 70,000 was deployed in Gujarat as reported by The Hindustan Times the next day as well as The Telegraph (UK).

3)  All companies of Rapid Action Force in the state were deployed in Ahmedabad, Godhra and other sensitive areas by the state government as reported by The Indian Express and Mid-Day on 28 Feb.Congress loyalist weekly Outlook also reported this online on 27 Feb.

http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?214725 (Paragraph 8 of this report).

4) The Central Government rushed CRPF personnel to Gujarat, as reported by The Indian Express and Mid-Day both the next day. The Gujarat Government had requested the Centre to send 10 companies of CRPF personnel as reported by The Times of India.

5) The state government imposed curfew in Godhra at 9:45 am- within 2 hours of the Godhra carnage and in other sensitive areas.

6) 827 preventive arrests were made. Narendra Modi said this in an interview to India Today dated 18 March 2002. India Today of 18 March 2002 admitted preventive arrests without specifying the number. Even the SIT appointed by known anti-Modi judges of the SC like Aftab Alam and Arijit Pasayat admitted 827 preventive arrests.

7)  The Prime Minister, Mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee and the Gujarat Government urged Hindus not to retaliate and maintain peace.

Narendra Modi talked to TV channels in Godhra on 27 Feb evening and urged people to maintain peace and not retaliate. NARENDRA MODI HIMSELF MADE AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN PEACE IN AN APPEAL BROADCAST ON NATIONAL TV (DOORDARSHAN) ON 28 FEBRUARY AFTERNOON.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIRMR8zW0iI

8)  The RSS and VHP also appealed to Hindus to maintain peace and not retaliate. The RSS appeal was reported by The Telegraph, The Hindu along with weekly Organiser in its issue of 10 March 2002 covering events till 27 Feb (See detailed RSS statement later in Myth 14 and Chapter 2). The VHPs appeals were reported by The Times of India. Gujarat VHP leaders urged ‘Every Hindu to stay indoors the next day i.e. 28 Feb’ while VHP Senior Vice-President Acharya Giriraj Kishore said ‘Hindus should maintain calm and keep patience’.

9) CISF (Central Industrial Security Force) units were also deployed as reported by PTI.

10) The Centre sounded a nationwide alert in the evening as reported by The Indian Express the next day i.e. 28 Feb.

The Daily Breeze, a US newspaper, reported on 28 February:

Fearing the attack (Godhra train roasting) would ignite sectarian riots, Indian officials immediately stepped up security across this vast, religiously divided nation. The prime minister urged Hindus not to retaliate.”

One link: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1774&dat=20020228&id=Z4UeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=w38EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6789,2011702

Even Xinhua news agency also reported this online on 27 February 2002- that Vajpayee appeals for peace.

These were the steps taken by the Gujarat Government on February 27 itself to quell the violence- or prevent the violence. But on February 28, large –scale riots happened. That was due to the extreme anger of the masses over Godhra, the reaction from the media and politicians on it, and great anger over terrorism and anti-national activity.

On February 28 (Thursday)

Now-the government faced genuine difficulties in controlling the anger of the masses in view of the limited police force. India Today dated 18 March 2002 reported:

Ahmedabad has a police force of 6,000, including 1,500 armed personnel. In addition, the entire state has just four companies (530 jawans) of the Rapid Action Force (RAF) of which only one company could be spared for Ahmedabad. Considering that the mobs that simultaneously surfaced at nearly half a dozen places (on 28 Feb) numbered from 2,000 to 10,000, the forces proved woefully inadequate. At one point on February 28 there were at least 25,000 people targeting the Muslim localities in Ahmedabad alone...

Last Thursday (i.e. Feb 28), the Ahmedabad police received at least 3,500 calls for help from fear-stricken residents, mostly Muslims, against the normal average of 200. The fire brigade which has the capacity to handle 100 fire calls received 400 calls on February 28. Says Ahmedabad Police Commissioner P.C. Pande: “In my 32-year career I have never seen something like this. It was an upsurge, unstoppable and unprecedented. A stage came when it became physically impossible for the police to tackle mobs running into thousands.

The Hindu also reported the next day that mob fury reached its crescendo on 28 February 2002. The Times of India reported on 2nd March 2002- “Neither the Army nor the shoot-at-sight orders given to the Gujarat police could control the mob frenzy in Ahmedabad on Friday (1st March 2002) as the city witnessed a total collapse of the law and order machinery for the second straight day taking a heavy toll of human lives…”

And this was on 1st March- when the violence was much less as compared to 28 February. If even the Army and shoot-at-sight orders couldn’t control violence when it was much less, what must have been the situation on 28 February- when the Army was not present during the day and the violence was far more?

But the state government dealt with the situation firmly, harshly and effectively.

In brief, the steps taken on 28 February were:

1) The riots began in Ahmedabad at 11 AM. India Today dated 18 March 2002 reported that the Chief Minister Narendra Modi informally contacted the Central Government to send Army at 12 noon – i.e. within 1 hour in an article titled ‘Chronology of a Crisis’. Curfew was imposed by 12:20 at noon at all places and at some places right since morning, even before the riots began from the reports of The Times of India of 28 Feb.

2) As per the report of The Hindu the next day- Narendra Modi “frantically” called the Army units to Gujarat on 28 February.

3) Narendra Modi requested the Union Defence Minister George Fernandes to come to Gujarat as reported by The Indian Express & Times of India the next day as well as India Today.

4) Curfew was imposed in 26 towns and cities in Gujarat as reported by all English dailies the next day and weeklies Outlook and India Today both in their issues dated 11 March covering events till 28 February.

5)  There were around 250 people in the housing complex of Ehsan Jafri and the mob killed 69, with the police saving about 200 Muslims despite being overwhelmingly outnumbered by the mob, which was 10,000 strong and the crowd going mad by Jafri’s firing. Police shot dead 5 Hindus outside his house as reported by India Today dated 18 March 2002 and Times of India online of 28 February. The Times’ report at that time said 6 were injured of whom at least 3 were critical and 5 died ultimately.

6)  The police fired at least 1,000 rounds (Exact number 1496) in the state including at least 600 in Ahmedabad. These are the official statistics.

7)The police shot dead 10 Hindus in Ahmedabad and injured 16. These are official records and can also be seen from the report of The Hindu the next day where it said:

At least 30 others were killed in police firing, stabbing and other incidents in different parts of the city while the casualty in other cities and towns in the State was put at over 50…Till evening, police fired 46 rounds in Ahmedabad, in which at least 10 persons were believed to have been killed.” 

In fact, the BBC reported online on 28 February when the death toll reported by it was a mere 40 for the entire state of Gujarat i.e. when violence was going on-The army has been deployed there (Ahmedabad) to counter Hindu youthsThey included six people who were shot dead by police in Ahmedabad as they tried to restore calm. (Final figure was 10)”

URL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1845996.stm

At least 2 were shot dead outside Ahmedabad in Nadiad and Godhra as reported by The Telegraph (Kolkata) the next day.

8) Gujarat Government requested Army deployment within 1 hour. At 4 PM- a press conference was held- in which this decision was publicly announced. All procedures needed for this were done very quickly- Cabinet meeting of Central Government was held at 6:45 PM, it approved Army deployment and Army units reached Ahmedabad after midnight from India Today‘s article Chronology of a Crisis as well as The Indian Express’ report online of 28 Feb.

9)  The Army units reached Ahmedabad so quickly that newspapers like The Hindu, The Indian Express had time to report their arrival on 28 February 2002 (Thursday) itself and publish it on 1st March 2002 (Friday)!

10)  Defence Minister George Fernandes reached Ahmedabad so quickly that newspapers like The Indian Express reported his arrival the next day!

11) Police escorted 400 Muslims to safe areas and gave them accomodation in Naroda Patiya after dispersing the mob in Naroda Patiya as reported by The Times of India. Total of 95 people were killed- at least 900 Muslims were saved, since The Times of India reports that 1,000 Muslims lived in the attacked area in Naroda Patiya.

12) The Gujarat Government requested neighbouring states to send additional police force. All these states were ruled by the Congress. Madhya Pradesh, Punjab, Rajasthan did not send. Only Maharashtra sent a mere 260 personnel.

13)700 people were arrested by the police in the state, including around 80 in Godhra on the very first day of the violence when situation was out of control as reported by The Tribune the next day. The official statistics show that 4297 tear gas shells were also burst, i.e. nearly 4300 tear gas shells burst in the whole state.

Nowhere was it alleged that the police deliberately turned a blind eye to the rioting. No mention of police being involved in the violence or giving a free hand to the rioters. No mention of any delay in calling the Army. These charges of “Police turning a blind eye, allowing killings for 3 days, not calling Army until 3 days had passed…etc” were made after the riots. If these charges were true- the newspapers would have screamed and gone downtown on the very next day. Nothing like this happened. And of course- no charge that the riots were being ‘sponsored’ by the Gujarat Government!

On March 1 (Friday)

The Hindu reported on 2nd March 2002-“ (On 1st March)The Army began flag marches in the worst-affected areas of Ahmedabad, Baroda, Rajkot and Godhra cities and the `shoot at sight’ order was extended to all 34 curfew-bound cities and towns in Gujarat”.

On this day- the violence was much less as compared to 28 February (Thursday). And also the Muslims started a backlash on this day, according to The Hindu dated 2nd March 2002 which reported “But unlike Thursday (Feb 28) when one community was entirely at the receiving end, the minority backlash (On Friday, 1 March) caused further worsening of the situation.”

The steps taken were:

1) On morning of 1st March, George Fernandes bravely took to streets to check violence in Ahmedabad, at a great risk to personal life. He was pummeled with stones. Later he left for Vadodara as reported by The Times of India which praised him, but not Modi who called him in the first place.

2) 24 Hindus were shot dead by police and 40 injured-these are official records. The Indian Express reported on 2nd March-“The police, its credibility lowest than ever, tried to salvage its reputation intervening in some clashes by opening fire. Twenty were killed in police firing across the state, 12 in Ahmedabad.”

There are two things to be noted from this very vital statement. First- the police did their best to control the violence and could not be accused by anyone, even The Indian Express of negligence from this day onward- the second day of the riots i.e. 1st March 2002. And second, there were “clashes” going on between Hindus and Muslims- not one sided massacres of Muslims.

The Indian Express reported on 2nd  March, 2002: “(On 1st  March) Tension escalated in the walled city areas just before the Friday prayers. There were violent clashes between mobs in Jamalpur, Bapunagar and Rakhial.” Clearly, Muslims were on the offensive. And The Times of India also reported the same day: “There were signs of retaliation in areas like Juhapura, Kalupur, Dariapur and Shahpur….”  This clears all possible doubts.

The slight difference in the number of people killed in police firing as per official records and this report is because many injured were alive when The Indian Express wrote this, and died later, so the number of killed in police firing increased. And also, The Indian Express could have deliberately kept the number of people killed lower than the true figure due to its horrible anti-Narendra Modi and anti-BJP bias.

3) The Army staged flag marches in Ahmedabad, Vadodara, Surat and Rajkot’s worst affected areas as reported by The Hindu the next day.

The website www.indianembassy.org reports:

The next brigade of the Army was also deployed in Rajkot and Vadodara on 1 March 2002 itself. Three columns allotted to Godhra reached in Godhra, Lunawada and Halol on the early morning of 2 March 2002.

Thereafter the Army has been shifted in Surat and Bhavnagar as and when the situation warranted such a shift.”

URL: http://www.indianembassy.org/new/gujarat_02/index.htm

4) Shoot-at-sight orders were extended to all 34 curfew-bound cities and towns in the state.

5) 2500 (Two thousand five hundred) Muslims were saved in Sanjeli, a town in North Gujarat from a crowd of 8000 armed tribals by the police as reported by India Today dated 22 April 2002.

Official records show that people were also saved at other places- date not known to this writer. There are many other instances as well. Some of them are:

a) 5000 people from the Noorani Mosque area were saved by Ahmedabad Police

b) 240 people were saved at Sardarpura of Mehsana district and shifted to safer places

c) 450 were saved in Pore and Nardipur villages of Gandhinagar district and shifted to safer places

d) 400 were saved in a Madrasa at Bhavnagar

e) 1,500 were saved at Fatehpura village of Vadodara district

f) 3,000 people were saved and shifted from Kwan village of Vadodara district

On March 2 (Saturday)

2nd March 2002 was Saturday. On this day also Muslims were aggressive. Ahmedabad was almost completely peaceful on this day, with major violence occurring in other parts of Gujarat. The police brought the situation under control there and fired on pitched battles between Hindus and Muslims. The Tribune reported on 3rd March 2002 that:

“Ahmedabad, the worst hit by the communal flare-up in the wake of Godhra train killings, was virtually back to normal…”

That is, the Gujarat Government managed to control riots in the state in 3 days after Godhra, and in only 2 days in a communally ultra-sensitive place like Ahmedabad! Reports of The Hindu and The Telegraph of 3rd March 2002 also prove that Ahmedabad was virtually back to normal on 2nd March 2002 itself.

Thus, in brief, the steps taken on 2nd March 2002 were:

1) The police fired more than 1031 rounds and burst 1614 tear gas shells.More than this, because this was the figure till the evening after which more were fired.

2) As per the report of The Hindu- at least 47 people were shot dead by the police in Gujarat- 19 in Ahmedabad, 8 in Godhra, 6 in Vadodara, 5 in Anand, 3 each in Mehsana and Gandhinagar, 2 in Kaira and 1 in Bhavnagar.

As per The Indian Express the next day, 77 people were killed in either police or Army firing.

3) Curfew was imposed in 40 places in Gujarat as per The Hindu.

4) Border Security Force units were dispatched to Surat as reported by The Hindu.

5) 2000 Muslims (Two thousand) were saved in Dahod by the Police.

The efforts of Narendra Modi to control the violence can be clearly seen from India Today weekly dated 18 March 2002 in an article titled “Chronology of a Crisis”.

FEB 27, 2002

8.03 AM: Incident at Godhra claims lives of 57 kar sevaks

8.30 AM: Modi is informed of the carnage. (This could be 9 AM).

4.30PM: Gujarat Assembly adjourned and Modi visits Godhra where he holds a meeting, giving shoot-at-sight orders to the police.

10.30PM:CM holds meeting with senior government officials at Gandhinagar; orderscurfew in sensitive places and pre-emptive arrests.

FEB 28, 2002

8.00 AM: Special control room set up in CM’s house to monitor the situation during VHP bandh.

12.00 PM:Modi informally contacts Centre for calling in army. Cabinet Secretary T.R. Prasad tells Defence Secretary Y. Narain that army is to be mobilised.

12.30PM: Vice-Chief of Army Staff Lt-General N.C. Vij tells Narain that only twocolumns are available as the rest are deployed on the border.

12.35 PM: Prasad directs Narain to advise Chief of Army Staff Gen Padmanabhan to have troops ready due to the rapidly deteriorating situation in Ahmedabad.

12.45PM: Narain tells Vij to arrange immediate movement of troops to Gujarat.

4.00PM:Modi requests army deployment following consultations with Advani.

6.45PM: Cabinet Committee on Security meets under the prime minister’s chairmanship;approves the immediate movement of troops to Ahmedabad and other parts of Gujarat. Vajpayee deputes Fernandes to supervise the deployment of troops.

7.00PM:The Gujarat Government’s formal request for army deployment is received in Delhi.

11.30 PM: Airlifting of troops begins.

MARCH 1, 2002

2.30 AM: A brigade reaches Ahmedabad. The 54th Division’s General Officer Commanding contacts acting Chief Secretary.

9.00AM: Discussions between representatives of the army and the state take place, followed by troop flag march in Ahmedabad.”

Reports from the biased English media also proved that the real riots had stopped in the first three days. Not just that, the media knew it fully well. The following report from The Hindu dated 4th March 2002 will make it clear:

AHMEDABAD, MARCH 3. The orgy of violence in Gujarat appears to have ended. Today only two deaths were reported, one from Godhra. Officially the death roll is 431, more than half of them in Ahmedabad. Ahmedabad was quiet, apart from two major arson attacks on a Muslim-owned petrol station and warehouse.

Curfew has been lifted in most areas of the 40 towns and cities where clashes were reported, including Naroda and Meghnaninagar (i.e. Gulmarg Society case) in Ahmedabad, where hundreds were killed. The state administration says that curfew will be relaxed in more areas tomorrow. There was a `sense of normality in the State’ today.

But, the smouldering remains of burnt-out buildings and the acrid smell of burning rubber, five days after the violence began, are a reminder that `normality’ in Ahmedabad is a very long way off.

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2002/03/04/stories/2002030403090100.htm

This newspaper report clearly proves that the government claim of controlling the riots in 72 hours was absolutely true.

   After 3rd March 2002, the riots were mostly all instigated and started by the Muslims and they were limited only to Ahmedabad, Vadodara and some places near Godhra in Panchmahal district.

  Like in Sanjeli where 2,500 Muslims were saved, 5,000 Muslims were also saved in Bodeli, a town in Vadodara district, from a crowd of over 7,000. The following is another report quoted from India Today dated 8 April 2002:

When a Muslim woman was burnt alive by Hindu zealots, (in Viramgam, not far from Ahmedabad) the minorities, who constitute almost 30 % of the 70,000-odd population went on the rampage. Soon, nearly 15,000 Hindus from nearby villages encircled Viramgam and targeted the Muslim localities in the town. It took some deft handling by the police and the Army to save the day.”

And in the 22 April issue India Today said-

“…Take Sanjeli. In the carnage that ensued after the February 27 Godhra killings, 8,000 armed tribals descended on the town of 8,000 in the tribal heartland of Dahod district. Bows, stones and gunshots rained on the fleeing Muslims, killing 15. Police intervention meant another 2,500 were spared a savage death … In an identical display of insanity, around 7,000 armed tribals marched into Bodeli town in Chotte-Udepur tribal area of Vadodara district intent on massacring the Muslims who had taken shelter there after being driven out of the neighbouring villages. While hundreds were saved by the police, Vadodara District Collector Bhagyesh Jha and other senior officers were fired upon by tribals as they tried to rescue the trapped Muslims.

Tragedy was also averted by the police and army at Viramgam town near Ahmedabad where over 15,000 Hindus, mostly armed OBC Thakores, burnt 250 Muslim houses…”

http://www.india-today.com/itoday/20020422/states.shtml

That is to say, the Gujarat police and the Indian Army together saved thousands of Muslims, of the 21,000-odd of the town. If we assume that there was no police or Army presence, 10,000 Muslims of the town may have been killed. On the basis of records available to this writer, we can conclusively say that the Gujarat Police saved at least 17,500 Muslims in Gujarat. As a matter of fact, many sources have told this writer that the Gujarat Police saved 24,000 Muslims in the state in the first three days alone. They may well be quite correct, since we already have on record 7,500 Muslims saved in Sanjeli and Bodeli in the first three days.

The website www.indianembassy.org seems to be an official site of the Indian Embassy in USA. It says-

“In Mora village of Panchmahal district, SDM, Mamlatdar and police rushed to the spot where the crowd was gathered, dispersed the crowd and saved the lives of 400 people by shifting them to a safe place.

On receipt of information on 3rd March 2002 a madarsa in Asoj, in Vagodia, Vadodara district was likely to be attacked, nearly 40 persons including 22 children were evacuated to a safe place.

On the night of 2/3 March 2002, in Dahod, the police escorted over 2000 persons belonging to minority community to a safe place, rescuing them from the mob that had gathered from surrounding 28 villages.

In Surat city, protection was provided to about 60 persons and mosque in Nana Varacha area.On receipt of information that some women and children were trapped in a mosque, Surat police escorted them to a safe place.

On receipt of information that 100 persons were trapped near Rita society opposite Yateem Khana Jain Mandir, the police immediately rushed there and dispersed the mob, but found no persons trapped inside. Surat police immediately provided protection requested for by 12-15 houses of Muslims near Khoja Masjid.

See link: http://www.indianembassy.org/new/gujarat_02/index.htm

   The riots were brought under control in 72 hours. Police records and figures given by the Union Home Ministry as well as figures given by The Times of India dated 7th March 2002 reveal that as many as 98 people were killed in the first three days in police firing. We have already looked at the reports The Indian Express and The Hindu to know that the figure of 98 people being shot dead in the first 3 days is indeed true. This was a record of sorts. Never before were so many people shot dead in police firing for rioting in so few days in the entire history of communal riots in India, and certainly not in Gujarat, which saw far worse riots in 1969 and 1985.

In the entire state of Gujarat, there are 18,600 villages, 240 municipal towns and 25 district headquarters. In the entire state, riots occurred in no more than 70 places. If you include the two big cities of Ahmedabad and Vadodara, by the maximum stretch of imagination, it can be said that 2 % of the state was affected by riots, or was in flames.

The Times of India in a report dated 28 April 2002 reported that “Of the total substantive arrests made by the police, 9,954 are Hindus and 4,035 Muslims. However, in the preventive arrests column, the statistics show that the number of Hindus arrested is much higher — 17,947 as against 3,616 Muslims.”

To quell the violence:

1-Not only did the Gujarat government call the Army as early as possible but also declared this decision publicly on February 28th evening.

2-The Gujarat police arrested nearly 25,204 out of the 25, 486 accused.

 3-More than 17,000 of the 25,000 arrested were Hindus.

4-Police fired over 10,500 rounds of bullets-including around 4,000 in the first 3 days, though Army was present for 73 out of 74 days.

5-Police fired over 15,000 tear gas shells.

6-98 people were killed in police firing in the first 3 days- and 170 for the entire period of the riots.

7-The police arrested 35,552 people as on 28 April 2002 out of whom 27,901 were Hindus. About 20,000 were preventive arrests.

Far from the BJP being in any way involved in the riots, rivals of the then Chief Minister of Gujarat instigated riots in the state after 21stApril 2002 so as to target Narendra Modi in their Modi-hatao campaign. The Rajya Sabha debated on Gujarat on 6 May 2002. The NDA allies’ votes were also going to count. To get NDA allies to vote against the Modi government, the Opposition wanted to keep the riots going on in Gujarat. It also hoped for a collapse of the NDA, with allies quitting coalition because of the riots.

   Riots in the first three days were all the result of Godhra. But Godhra itself was the brain of local Muslim Congress leaders. The Indian Express of 5 March 2002 reported on Godhra that Congress leaders are accused in Godhra:

1- Mehmud Hussain Kalota, convenor of the Congress district minority cell and president of the Godhra municipality.

2-Salim Abdul Ghaffar Sheikh, president of the Panchmahal Youth Congress.

3-Abdul Rehman Abdul Majid Ghantia, a known Congress worker.

4-Faroukh Bhana, secretary of the district Congress committee.

5- Haji Bilal, a known Congress worker.

   When 31 people were convicted for the Godhra carnage, one Congressman was given life imprisonment and one was given death penalty out of the above five, while Faroukh Bhana was absconding, and convicted later after being caught. Abdul Rehman Abdul Majid Ghantia got life imprisonment and Haji Bilal got death penalty—two out of these five. The Gujarat High Court also upheld their conviction, but gave all of them life imprisonment reducing the death penalty to one of them on 9 October 2017.  http://www.rediff.com/news/report/the-men-convicted-for-godhra-carnage/20110222.htm

Nos 2 and 3 in this list are the above-mentioned Congress people. Later when 2 more Muslims were convicted in August 2018, Faroukh Bhana, who had been been absconding since 2002 was also convicted.

   The following was the report of NDTV dated 3rd March, 2002:

    “Sunday, March 3, 2002 (Godhra)

   The prime suspect in the Godhra train carnage case, Mohammad Hussain Kolota, local Congress leader and president  of Godhra Municipality, was today arrested, bringing the total number of arrests in connection with the attack to 27. Kolota, convener of city Congress minority cell, was picked up by personnel of the anti-dacoity squad of the city police from the residence of one Iqbal in Polan Bazar area during a combing operation at about 4 a.m. (IST), Inspector General of Police, Deepak Swaroop said. Kolota, 45, has been evading arrest since the attack on the Sabarmati Express last Wednesday, in which 58 people were killed.

   Police have already arrested two municipal  councillors  and were looking  for another two—Bilal  Haji and Farookh Bhana—in connection  with  the mayhem that led to widespread  communal violence in several parts of Gujarat, claiming more than 300 lives.

   Kolota, who practised law in the town, reportedly joined Congress six years back, informed sources said in Godhra. Others arrested from different places were identified as Siraj Jamsa, Zabir Kala, Abdul Sheikh and Abdul Rauf Yayman…Earlier, police had arrested 22, including two councillors—Salim Shaikh and Abdul Rahim Dantia. Both the councillors had contested the polls on independent symbols (PTI).”

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/mar/03train5.htm Even NDTV reported this PTI News.

On 28 Aug 2018, 2 more were convicted and given life term for Godhra. With the verdict, total 33 have been convicted. 8 more accused are absconding. Faroukh Bhana was absonding, but caught later, and has been convicted and given life imprisonment on 28 August 2018, and he was Congress’s District secretary.

The Indian Express reported on 28 August 2018:

“A special trial court here on Monday sentenced two more accused — Farukh Bhana and Imran alias Sheru Batuk — to life imprisonment in the 2002 Sabarmati Express train burning case at Godhra railway station that led to communal riots in Gujarat.

Special judge H C Vora acquitted three others — Hussain Suleman Mohan, Kasam Bhamedi and Faruk Dhantiya. They were among the six arrested by different agencies between 2015 and 2016. Another accused, Sabir Abdul Gani Pataliya, had died during pendency of the trial.

Among the two convicted on Monday, Farukh Bhana, in his 50s, was the sitting corporator of Polan-Bazar area of Godhra municipality in February 2002 when the train was set on fire, killing 59 people, and was on the run since then. It was alleged that on the night of February 26, 2002, Bhana and other accused held a meeting at Aman Guest House near the Godhra railway station as part of their conspiracy to set ablaze the S6 coach of the Sabarmati Express. He was arrested by Gujarat Anti-Terrorist Squad in May 2016 from a toll plaza in Panchmahals where he had come to meet his family members.

Sheru Batuk, who has also been sentenced to life imprisonment, was convicted of conspiracy and being part of the mob. He was arrested by Ahmedabad Detection of Crime Branch in 2016 from Malegaon in Maharashtra.

Special Additional Public Prosecutor N N Prajapati said, “While Bhana was the mastermind of the attack, Batuk was actually leading the mob…”

On March 1, 2011, the special SIT court had convicted 31 people, out of whom 11 were given death sentence and 20 were sentenced to life imprisonment.

In October last year, the Gujarat High Court commuted the death sentence awarded to 11 convicts to life term. All 31 convicts have moved the Supreme Court challenging the High Court’s order.”

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/godhra-train-case-two-more-convicted-sentenced-to-life-term-5327959/

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  1. 80
    Vivek UNITED STATES Says:

    To,great philosofer,Maha Guru,President of HJSP,so and so,Mr.Deepakji,
    kyu ji?Maine sirf apki AUKAT nikali to itna gussa hua then tell me how many time you used harsh word in your last few comments against Rameshji,Ramji,Usmanji and me?the words like ‘SALE’,'BIKHARI’,'GADHE’,'LOOSERS’,'GULAM’,'IDIOTS’,'STUPIDS’ etc can hearts to someone like Ramji,Usmanji,Rameshji.They may be more educated than you.For me,I don’t feel sad or nervous by reading your ‘excellent’(?) launguage.Because i know your capacity and capability.I can also step down from my launguage,i can also use worst launguage but i don’t want to waste my memory on it.Think on it agar kuch dimag me BRAIN nam ki chij hain to!Nahi hain to Diwali hi hain!
    KARM KARO.HA HA HA!Ap ek mazedar admi hain!you are sitting in USA,and teaching me karma?I’m working for RSS as a simple Swayamsevak.Every day i attend SHAKHA.At every Hindu festival i used to visit Anathashrama with other swayamsevaks atleast for 7 to 8 hours.We plays many sports games with little children.Festival har Hindu manata hain lekin ye Anath children ke sath kaun manata hoga?We distribute fruits,sweets among them.Agar Sunday ko kuch kaam nahi hota tab ham Adivasi sector me jate hain.We try to understand the problems of poor Adivasi.I know it is not just enough.but rather than taking of a glass of BEER in pubs ,it is very useful.get it?
    I think you should check your head from mental hospital.Y our last comment is showing that you have nothing left to defend your so called secularism and frustration is coming out from your vulgar launguage.Aap VHP ko Delhi me vilonce karke dikhane ko kahate hain na to main apko challenge karta hoon ke yeh apna secularism Gujarat me Mr.Narendraji Modi ke samne age badhao.Mr.HJSP,Apki so called secularist Teesta Setalwad RSS ka kuch nahi bigad payi to tum US me baith ke hame Hindustan se bahar karoge?HI HI HI!I think your wake up from half sleep.complete it.
    Are ha!I am waiting for your so called Microwave!HA HA HA!
    Jai Sree RAM!

  2. 79
    Ram INDIA Says:

    On the quick and wrong judgement that I am pro-LTTE, you did not read my post “Ram on October 9th, 2009 2:22 am” properly. You might be in a hurry also. All government schemes like NREGA are good in paper and may be working very well in the USA, but your (Cong) miserable governance made it harmfull to the society. It is even now killing agriculture and moving people from Rural to urban areas. Your UPA ally DMK is giving TV sets free, gives rice at Rs.1/kg. (they could have given it free), loots money from poor families by selling liquor through government and bribing voters for stealing votes. NREGA, you may be thinking is a great scheme (and in paper, it may be true), but Cong. saw it only as a easy way to bribe large number of people for stealing votes.

  3. 78
    Ram INDIA Says:

    I hate the LTTE and wanted them to be finished and thankfully God satisfied my wish. The LTTE was originally funded and grown up none other than your Congress queen Indira gandhi and today, you hate the same LTTE.
    The LTTE might have some good intentions in the beginning and later on it has become a drug and wepaon smuggling company. Since the dawn of year 2000, the leadership of LTTE came under the control and influence of Christian missionaries who wanted to exploit the situation of Sri Lankan Tamils to propagate Christianity. Similar to YSR reddy silencing the “Samuel” in his YSR, the Missionaries wore the blanket of sympathy towards Tamils and run their mission of soul harvesting among the gullible suffering Tamils in Sri Lanka and of course had some success in their attempt. Praphakaran named his son as “Soosai” and the main strategist of LTTE was Anton Balasingam. LTTE succesfully killed all other Sri Lankan Tamil leaders who did not convert to Christianity.
    I am happy that LTTE was crushed.

  4. 77
    Ram INDIA Says:

    Deepak,
    I think you were in a hurry and did not read my complete post. I have requested you to visit http://www.lkadvani.in before you reply me next time. I give below a precise link :

    http://www.lkadvani.in/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6607&p=0

    You have jumped to wrong conclusion that I am a LTTE supporter, of course you were right that I am South Indian Tamil. I read writings of great patriots like Swami Vivekananda V.Sundaram Ex-IAS, B.R.Haran, Dr.Babu Suseelan, Cho-Ramaswamy, agree somewhat to Dr.Subramanian Swamy, Deendayal Upadhyaya, Dr.Shyama Prasad Mukherjee, T.R.Jawahar and I consider these people as real intellectuals who know the value of India and it’s original civilisation. They stand undistorted even after reading many times the McCaulay school of thoughts, the JNU nonsense, the Marxist rubbish, EVR Periyar’s (ir)rationalism, Prannoy Roys, Barkha Dutts, Sagarikas, Rajdeeps, Arnab Goswamis etc.
    Before you reply me next time, read some of these or any of these authors and you can also read Shri.Mohan Bhagawat’s writings.
    I am not illiterate, half-baked or westernised. I am nearing my 40s and have come from the bottom of the society and a practising design expert in engineering.
    Please come to neutral mind before criticising BJP/RSS and try to know what they are.
    Repeatedly, you are writing BJP to come to Power to prove ourselves. Please understand the amount of nationalism that drives me in patiently writing to convince one Sickularist like you and as you said some millions are left with in India. So, for the BJP, it is a long way to go. Winning and loosing are part of the game and Leaders or individuals are not of importance as the emphasis is just Righteousness and prosperity of my country.

  5. 76
    Deepak Says:

    Doodes, now I really need to go, but seriously

    RAM , if you have no interest scoring points over me, you wouldn’t bother typing. YOU ARE SOUTH INDIAN TAMIL, a supporter of LTTE who is just pissed off that Congress supported the fall of LTTE . Simple, I can see that in your eyes.

    You shameful freak, out all your debates, I did get shocked on how you hate the NREGA scheme. You moron, similar programs run in US for poor and unemployed people. Tis is enough proof that YOU JUST HATE CONGRESS BECAUSE YOU ARE SLAVE OF BJP, not any other point. So keep barking, if you have any balls, then come into POWER, or shut up ok.

    NUCLEAR DEAL WAS SUCCESS FOR BUSH ONLY?? BJP was the biggest oppose of the deal within INDIA, Congress put all you idiots to silence and went ahead with their deal, no one could take them out of POWER, this is what their success is.

    And you fool, BJP came in existence in 1980, but Jan Sangh, its original source was in politics sicne in 1951. So show the real stats and then talk, BJP is as old as India is, they only get seats because of Hinduism issue, nothing else

    VIVEK:

    Chup kar chamche, MANDIR BANAO, MANDIR. HIMMAT HAI TO KUCH KARKE DIKHAO, ABE TUM HINDU AURTON KA BHI RAPE KARTE HO AUR MINORTIES KA BHI, SABKO PATA HAI. TUME APNI BHEN KO BHI RAPE KARNA ACCHA LAGTA HOGA, YE BHI MUJHE PATA HAI.

    BAKWAAAS BAND KAR, AUR KARMA KAR, CHAL CHAL GULAMI KAR AUR MANDIR KE LIYE CHANDA IKKATTHA KAR. 50 SAAL SE HO NA INDIAN MAIN?? ADIVASIYON KE LIYE HOSPITAL BANAYE HAI TUMNE?? UNHI HOSPITALS MAIN ADIVASI LADKIYON KA RAPE BHI KARTE HO, AUR SAMNE SRI RAM KI MURTI LAGATE HO.

    BETA DUM HAI TO MANDIR BANA, BHONK MAT JYADA, 50 SAAL KE TERI RSS SE KUCH NAHI HUA TO AB KYA KAROGE?? AKHAND HINDU RASHTA BANAYEGA TU?? ABE MUSLIMS ARE CLOSE TO 15%, CHRISTIANS ARE 3%, SIKHS ARE 2%, OPEN YOUR EYES. The only Rashtra we will have is a United India for all, and you guys will be the history.

    CHAL CHAL, MANDIR BANA MANDIR…HAHA!!

  6. 75
    Vivek UNITED STATES Says:

    To,Deepakji(masiha of Muslim people,great philosofer,so and so)
    Apko jo next week me explosion karna hain na to jarur karo.No one have interest in your non sence and third class comments atleast for those who have enough sence.JO CONGRESS PICHALE 50 YEARS ME KUCH NAHI UKHAD SAKI TO TUM TO RSS KE LIYE SIRF EK MACHHAR HO.
    Akal aukat se jyada hoti hain tab tumhare jaise log bina proof ke apne jaban ka kachreka dibba khulato khulahi rakhte hain.GUTNE SE SOCHNA BAND KARO!
    Jai Shree RAM!hell secularism!LONG LIVE HINDUSTAN AND HINDUISM!

  7. 74
    Vivek UNITED STATES Says:

    To,Deepakji(masiha of Muslim people,great philosofer,so and so)
    attacked on Afganistan and Irap was the political agenda of USA?To Iraq me Muslim ladkiyon par rape karna aur Mardon ke sath gay jaisa bartav karna ye bhi American Militory ka POLITICAL AGENDA tha kya?HA HA HA!
    Your last comment was so nice.But i want to correct one thing that if we comes into power,then we will do gang rape on other’s religion’s girls not Hindus!I have already told you that i have not get frustreted or harm by your dirty launguage. No and never!I Know your capability very well.
    Tumko kisne kaha ke Hindustani log RSS ko hate karte hain?BBC is accept that RSS is biggest selfsevice organisation(swayam sevi sanstha)in the whole.and Mr.HJSP,For your kind information,in your USA,one sinator(Democrotic party) of American sinet is related with Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh(HSS,another name of RSS in the Foriegn countries).so now go,go find out that name of sinator and tell your US sinet to terminate the membership of that sinetor.In US,many Hindu people are related with HSS.HI HI HI!
    Abe,Pahale USA me HSS ko ban karke dikha phir hame honshiyari dikhana samzana!tell me tum kya jante ho RSS ke bareme?nothing.you are claimed that RSS is terrorist organisation then tell me who builded small-big hospitals in the Adivasi sector where,due to fear of Naxalist,no one governtment officer ready to dare to complete Adivasi welfare projects,who builded blood banks,Goshalas,Anathashrama in the Adivasi sector?the answer is Sangh Parivar.Mr HJSP agar kisine accha kaam kiya hain to accha kahane ki adat dalo.Islamic terrorist organisation are do nothing for Muslim people.Can you heard that AL QUIDA and L-E-Taiba are building hospitals or welfare programme?NO.because they just want to Pan Islamism in the whole world.
    If you have some dare then come to Hindustan and do some work in the poor Adivasi sector where you have not get guareentee that you will get even single cup of Tea in whole day.Itna easy nahi hota work karna.
    JAI SHREE RAM!SECULARISM KA NAASH HO!

  8. 73
    Ram AUSTRALIA Says:

    Deepak, I am not interested to score a point over you and this country is supreme for me than anything else.

    1. All your pointwise replies are superficial and I think you keep your conscience switched off to score a point.
    2. The Congress under Sonia is the worst that India has got since independence. Is that right?? then who asked Indians to bring congress back to power? Did anyone put a trishul knife to their throat to vote for them?? Are we indians so stupid that after 50 years of terrible conditions, we still want congress to rule us?? lol I think that answers this one!! –
    Congress (UPA) has won because of people like you preaching against the RSS / BJP without understanding their Nationalism. Congress has demonized the BJP with fabricated stories using their bought out media and the plain minded people fell to their trick. Example 1 : Mangalore Pub incident – done by anti-BJP Mutthalik to defame the government. The Congresssi media shouted loudly with this all over India. Inside Karnataka, people know what happened and the BJP was not affected, but the rest of Sickular Indians thought that the BJP is stopping people to go to Pubs.
    3. In Tamilnadu, Cong and DMK paid Vijayakanth money in crores to draw the anti-incumbent vote and thus split opposition vote. I think you support such High morality of Sonia.
    4. In Andhra, they did the same trick using Praja Rajyam and in Maharashtra, they used Raj Thackerray.
    5. Of course there was also the magic of Naveen Chawla and whole of India knows how Mr.P.Chidambaram after having declared looser was changed to “Winner”. You sickularists always contest that People choose wrong people and they are to be blamed, especially when Modi repeatedly gets elected in Gujarat. Now you are using the same argument to suit you that people have made Congress the choice and they are not forced with Trishul on their throat.
    6. BJP is in existence from 1980 and within 29 years, they could rule 8 states (with alliances) and win 116 seats. Compared to that, Congress inherited an existing party and got all the favour from the freedom movement. It is like Rajiv Gandhi getting elected as PM due to Indira Gandhi’s assassination. If you see the whole history, you will understand that Congress deteriorated from where it was and BJP is steadily progressing upwards.
    7. Tell me what are the great achievements of UPA which could be seen apparently in the period between 2004 to 2009. Don’t fool yourself by saying Nuclear deal as it is a success for George Bush and not for Sonia.
    8. Killing judiciary is one of the worst things that happened to India in the Sonia regime. Raja can do a multi-crore scam, but can escape unnoticed and the honest PM will still remain himself honest without questioning him. All CBI cases were handled in the way Congress likes it. CBI became “Congress Bureau of Investigation”. When people start loosing faith on Judiciary, then what else remains in this country.
    9. Navin Chawla elected as EC, when he is known to be a Congress sympathizer and beneficiary.
    10. Missionary activities were at the peak and conversion in Kurnool was going at 800 persons a day. Don’t you see a Sonia-Missionarie-YSR nexus here? YSR said that why is this Lord Balaji enjoying the pride of 7 hills whereas he should have only 2 hills. He appointed worst non-faith persons at the helm of TTD and tried his best to spoil the sanctity of Tirumala. But God still rules the world from Tirumala and he never allows supremacy for the conspirators.
    11. NREGA scheme – It made people lazy. Will you go to toil hard in an agricultural farm land to earn Rs.50, when you can get Rs.90 due to NREGA without a need to work an hour also.? This is how you have spoiled agriculture. Many rural people doing agriculture as main business choose to settle down in urban areas as they are not getting people to work in their farm lands, that too in the most populous country. If you want evidence, I will send e-mails of affected people. When you give free some money, automatically people will vote for you. I am sure you know how votes are being bought by your UPA ally. Just google “Thirumangalam buy elections” to know more details.

    Compare China and Korea with India for the last 62 years and explain me the status of India Yea? you want to compare china with India, well first of all, china doesn’t have the so called CORRUPTED MINDSET built from top to bottom of hierarchy, and you cannot blame congress for that, we all like that…look at our police…MOST CORRUPTED IN THE WORLD, LOOK AT OUR POLITICIANS, MOST CORRUPTED IN WORLD, CONGRESS, BJP, BJD SP, CPI all alike…at least Chinese leaders are thinking hard for their country… lastly Indians lack the competitiveness to exceed beyond expectation, we are lazy bums, we only do things when we get kicked in our ass… –
    “All parties are corrupt and Indians have corrupted mindset”. This shows your helpless state of mind. If India had continued to patronize the Sanatana Dharma, it would not be in this pathetic state. You Sickularists wish to make India very westernized and try to attach people towards material wishes and the result is this pathetic state. Bihar was the worst governed state and it was lawless under Laloo. Has things not changed under Nitish and the BJP ? If a country is lawless and people are corrupted, then the Politicians have to make a sincere attempt to rectify the situation than merely accusing it generally. If you say all parties are most corrupted, then how will a democratic state be governed ? While you watch an India-Australia cricket match, won’t you take one of the two sides as yours or will you watch it without any bias to the sides ? Will you say that whichever team plays well should win the game? You have to take one side as yours and if you are patriotic, you will choose India even if it is the weaker of the two sides. When everyone seems to be corrupted, then you have to choose one of the party that you have not seen enough. I am patriotic and want the country to be governed by people who love this country more than themselves and that is the reason to choose BJP. Visit http://www.lkadvani.in if you have a open mind and then take your decision. For your information, the BJP has never ruled India in the centre and you might have seen some glimpses of their abilities during the NDA government. But that is not entirely BJP’s form of governance.
    Just drop your prejudice that the BJP will go against all Muslims and Christians when it comes to power and try to learn more about the party and take judgement. The foreign funded Jihadi activity and the cunning missionaries activity are definitely to be checked and I am sure you will be on my side.
    Do not watch too much of Barkha Dutt, Sagarika, Rajdeep, Prannoy, Arnab Goswami and Shekhar Gupta and let them not influence on your conscience.

  9. 72
    Moron SWITZERLAND Says:

    First they came for Punjabi / Sindhi / Bangladeshi non-Muslims

    But I did not speak out,
    Because I was not a Punjabi / Sindhi / Bangladeshi non-Muslim

    Then they came for the Kashmiri non-Muslims
    And I did not speak out,
    Because I was not a Kashmiri non-Muslim

    Then they came for the Jammu / Ladakhi non-Muslims
    And I did not speak out,
    Because I was not a Jammu / Ladakhi non-Muslim

    Then they came for the Assamese non-Muslims
    And I did not speak out,
    Because I was not a Assamese non-Muslim

    Then they came for the West Bengali non-Muslims
    And I did not speak out,
    Because I was not a West Bengali non-Muslim

    Then they came for the Nepali non-Muslims
    And I did not speak out,
    Because I was not a Nepali non-Muslim

    Then they came for me,
    And there was no one left to speak out for me.

  10. 71
    Deepak Says:

    It is funny to see bunch of you ganging up on me just like you have practiced ganging up on innocent women all across India..nevertheless..You guys gang up because u got nothing to else to do considering if you were really working hard for India, you wouldn’t waste your time arguing with me, but you all have been given strict SLAVE ORDERS from CHADDI losers to contradict TRUTH, FACTS AND REALITY…otherwise how will you abuse emotions of a common man?? no?? lol..anyways LETS DO THIS…!

    First come First basis:

    RAM BHAIYA:

    The Congress under Sonia is the worst that India has got since independence. Is that right?? then who asked Indians to bring congress back to power? Did anyone put a trishul knife to their throat to vote for them?? Are we indians so stupid that after 50 years of terrible conditions, we still want congress to rule us?? lol I think that answers this one!!
    Compare China and Korea with India for the last 62 years and explain me the status of India Yea? you want to compare china with India, well first of all, china doesn’t have the so called CORRUPTED MINDSET built from top to bottom of hierarchy, and you cannot blame congress for that, we all like that…look at our police…MOST CORRUPTED IN THE WORLD, LOOK AT OUR POLITICIANS, MOST CORRUPTED IN WORLD, CONGRESS, BJP, BJD SP, CPI all alike…at least Chinese leaders are thinking hard for their country… lastly Indians lack the competitiveness to exceed beyond expectation, we are lazy bums…
    Growth, development and GDP are bye-products of good governance and Congress has spoiled this country with lack of vision. For your rather neglected intellectual mind, the booming GDP we all are enjoying right now had some of its seeds sown in early 90s during rajiv gandhi’s tenure…you really want us to believe that BJP made india the fastest growing economy in 6 years? dude…you are like not even funny…but like STUPID!! JUST SHUT UP. BJP did some good work, it is for sure, I specially thank them for THE NUCLEAR TEST OF 98 because that send a message across border that we can hit ruthlessly too.. I guess congress leaders still lack that killer instinct! But these instincts should only be used at an obvious enemy like Pakistan, not minorities all over country!! Not all muslims want to blow themselves and kill hindus, if that was truth, just imagine what a 150 million of them can do to us!! There is no army that could even try to control that .

    BJP holds the future for the country, unfortunately you may not like it. No no, I luv it man, but can you please ask them to at least come back to power so we can give them the future of India?? lol When I come back, I will in detail and graphically explain the majority of BJP seats they win, and how they come from most poor, uneducated and economically backward parts of India. Even GUJARAT now has highest rate of SCHOOL DROPOUTS..and dude I AM NOT LYING ON THIS ONE!!

    VIVEK BHAIYAA:

    One think I must say you have learned is to be consistent!! You have consistently added JI at the end of my name, even with sarcasm, it does show consistency!! Which I appreciate, thanks. But now, lets get you BLOWING YOUR DEBATE UP IN 1 BILLION PIECES!

    I have said Akhand ‘Hindu’ Rastra. not just Akhand Bharat.The word ‘HINDU’ have lot of importance Oh Yea Sure…ammm I mean why not!1 But, for that, I guess you need HINDUS on your side? Most of us dun even like your face, not to mention I honestly think Mr. advani looks like not a leader, specially with his charlie Chaplin style mouthstache.. I am a true example of that!! I am hindu, and trust me, I am not letting you even getting close to AKHAND HINDU RASHTRA!! Word!!

    VHP is unable to build RAM TEMPLE because of psuedo secular and congress praiser peoples like you. Even If i do accept the title you guys have for us, the statement is absolutely right!! We won’t let that ever HAPPEN!! I thought RSS/VHP were not scared of anything?? I mean if i go by your word, you have a billion hindus in india?? you can’t even find enough of them to march ahead and build the RAM TEMPLE?? What happened to the HINDUTVA WAVE? Pressure nikal gaya lagta hai, hota hai haota hai, HAJMOLA KHAO sab thik ho jayega tunna!!

    First of teach secularism to your US president Barak Obama and intelligence buero CIA and FBI.Tell them to stop vilonce in IRAQ and AFGANISTAN.then try to teach us. Well I did vote for him, but that doesn’t make him my president, I had no other option, i mean the other guys was even dumber than RAHUL MAHAJAN, at least mahajan knows how to live his life!! First of all, America attacks other countries for one basic reason, POLITICAL AGENDA of dominating other countries for farther profitable goals..and why does RSS attack minorities:

    1. Political Agenda. Gaining Political Influence (Yay! similar to America)

    2. Loot and Rape. That is a big need since most of their followers are bhangis, adivasis, unemployed and religiously hopeless people. Loot and rape are big elements to pull people into their agenda.

    3. Narrow minded approach to Nationalism. This is what makes RSS a true terrorist organization, I mean the seeds of their thought process call for it, for example, instead of promoting Indian classical music, their approach would be to BAN the western music. Yea, you get the Idea!

    Yes,Ram temple is our aim.But today RSS do not want to disturb HINDUSTAN which is already suffering from problems like recession,drough,floods.Lekin Hinduon ko jagate rahana RSS ka kaam hain whether it is right or bad! >>> A Truly Nationalit organization would NEVER WANT TO DISTURN INDIA!! NOW NOW, NOT EVER!! Abe chamche, India suffers from droughts, floods and other natural calamities every single year!! KAB TAK WAIT KAREGI TERI VHP??? ABE NAMARDON, 17 SAAL HO GAYE BABRI KO GIRAYE HUE, 6 SAAL TUMHARI GOVT BHI THI CENTER MAIN, MANDIR BANANA TO DUR, TUM EK PATTHAR NAHI LE KE JA SAKE WAHA PE!! TUM BANAOGE MADIR??? DARPOK KAHIN KE…

    TUM SIRF INNOCENTS PE ATTACK KAR SAKTE HO, WO BHI IN GROUPS OF THOUSANDS, I WONDER WHY DOESN’T VHP DO PROTEST IN DELHI EVER?? BRO, IF YOU ARE IN TOUCH WITH YOUR OWNERS AT REGULAR BASIS, TELL EM A OPEN CHALLENGE TO TO DO ANY DRAMA IN STREETS OF DELHI, BE IT VALENTINES OR OTHER WISE…

    CHADU BHAIYA (The Real Traitor Of Hinduism):

    I TRULEY AGREE WITH RAMJI THAT YOU SHOULD SAY GOODBYE TO HINDUISM…. Oh yea?? There are at least 500 million hindus that support my side, are you going to ask them the same question?? You guys are pathetic, its like BJP is good good good, and congress is bad bad bad, I openly accept both sides of the coin, I know where congress is worst and where it has done good, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE NOT ACCEPTED SINGLE THING THAT BJP might go wrong on!! I mean how is this even possible man???? JUST THINK DUDE, IF BJP WAS SOOO GOOD AT TAKING CARE OF INDIA, WHY WOULD THEY GO OUT OF POWER? AND STILL NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME BACK?? THINK THINK THINK…and keep thinking till 2014, you have lot of time… :)

    Stop talking with Deepak unless he comes up with a PROOF for his claim of RSS committing violence…. Yo man this is not a democratic website, we are talking FASCISM here…so no one can take vote on who replies to who..SHUT UP!!

    RAMESHVA:

    Dear Ramesh,
    Does Deepak deserve the tag “Deepakji”?
    Thank youuuu SIR Jeeeee, I have been begging this slaves to please stop calling me Ji Ji Ji, I tld em hundred times, I am not your owner, these things look good to MODI nd CO. May be they will listen to you :)

    Anyways I will get back with more enlightenment for your helpless souls, but before I leave I want to apply a TIT FOR TAT game on Vivek, few days back he gave me a scenario of if I created a party called HJSP, what would happen in india, well let me tell you if ever and this is impt, IF EVER bjp came back to power again, what will happen to India:

    1. Freedom of speech, expression and love will be BANNED in india. Couples who try to hold hands or kiss in public will be arrested, the men will be thrashed by BJP workers while women will be taken aside and gang raped by Bajrang Dal members.

    2. Modi will be made next PM, he will immediately suspend the NUCLEAR DEAL and will promise India to provide electricity in every village by 3999 AD.

    3. It will be mandatory for all men under 35 to register with VHP samiti and serve 2 years for construction of RAM TEMPLE, any violators will be punished with severe penalties, they will be fines 20,000 rs each and of course, women of family will be gang raped by both VHP and Bajrangis..

    4. All minorities in the country will be made slaves, along with ramesh, rahul kedia, ram, vivek, chandu usman and brothers, they will work under sangh flag.

    5. India will host Olympics 2020, and opening ceremony will be done by SELF MADE PUNDITS of VHP, they will do some MANTRO UCCHARAN which obviously everyone will understand right away and then any other ceremonies will be allowed.

    6. Indian army commanders will be replaced by VHP commanders, they will lead armed forced holding knives disguised as trishuls against the pakis.

    7. BJP will amend the constitution, and bring it a act called BJP 356, which will make SATI, CASTE SYSTEM legal, other fundamental rights such as right to vote for women will be abolished with immediate affect.

    8. The national BUGDET will be decided in VHP Vidhaan sabha, most of the money will go to RAM MANDIR NIRMAAN, if any left will be given to RSS propagandist like TAGODIA AND MODI.

    9. All western books, musics and clothing will be BANNED in India, while RAHUL MAHAJAN and friends will be enjoying drugs in his bedroom.

    10. Finally, India’s name will be converted to HINDIA, as if HINDU religion is the sole property of RSS. JO ye kahenge wahi hinduism hoga, ye jisko chahe Hindu religion se nikkal sakte hain!!

    GET THE IDEA OF INDIA UNDER BJP?!?1? Yea Enjoy your popcorn until I blast the microwave next time.

    Once Driven, Forever Democracy.

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