Gujarat Riots: The True Story

The Truth of the 2002 riots

The Godhra Carnage

Difference between Godhra and other tragic incidents

Several people- unable to understand the sufferings of the Hindu society- have asked- “Why did riots occur only after Godhra? Why was nobody targeted after the Akshardham temple attack- or after the attacks on Mumbai on 26 November 2008?” Well- the answers are many.

Contrasts between 1984 and Gujarat 2002 riots

Posted on August 31, 2008 - Filed Under 07-Contrasts between 1984 and Gujarat 2002 riots | 50 Comments

It is necessary to remove some more misconceptions. The mainstream media has mostly always tried to equate the Gujarat riots of 2002 AD, and the 1984 anti-Sikh riots in the aftermath of Indira Gandhi’s assassination. Again, well-meaning people have fallen pray to the myths.

Justice Nanavati, heading the Nanavati Commission of Inquiry probing the 1984 anti-Sikh riots submitted his report to the Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil on 9 February 2005. The report was kept under the wraps for six months, and released on the last day of the time limit 8th August 2005. After the release, the media equated the 1984 riots and the 2002 riots of Gujarat. NDTV broadcast The Big Fight on this issue in August 2005. Vinod Mehta, editor of Outlook equated both the riots and said, “A lot of things are exactly the same. In 1984, it was the killing of Indira Gandhi, in Gujarat it was Godhra…both the causes served a cause for the massacre…”

Editorial of The Times of India dated 12 August 2005 on this issue was:

Now for Modi
BJP and Gujarat CM should take a cue from Tytler, Sajjan

We welcome the resignations of Jagdish Tytler from the ministry and Sajjan Kumar from the official post he held in the Delhi government…People who are even remotely connected with rioting can’t be allowed to hold office. This is a given in a secular democracy. Where does that leave men like Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi? He has no option but to quit office. The BJP, and its allies like the Akali Dal and Janata Dal (United) were unequivocal in demanding Tytler’s resignation. The parties invoked the ethics of Parliamentary democracy as well as the morality of public conduct to press the government for action on the Nanavati Commission. Their arguments hold true for Modi as well…”

As a result of this media hype, none other than BJP leaders have started believing that the two riots were similar. In November 2004, on NDTV’s The Big Fight, when Congress spokesperson Jayanthi Natrajan said, “We don’t call you communal because of Uniform Civil Code. We call you communal because of Gujarat”, the BJP participant replied, “I can call you anti-secular because of the 1984 riots. You have no face to show”. This was ok. But after that, he should have tried to explain the truth of the Gujarat riots and said that the party’s secular credentials are strengthened because of the efficient handling of the Gujarat riots, where many Hindus were killed too. Instead, he unwittingly conceded that the Gujarat riots were similar to the 1984 riots!

NDTV aired a ‘Big Fight’ on 26 March 2005 on the issue of Modi being denied a visa by the USA, which included Digvijay Singh of the Congress, a member of the BJP and the Jawaharlal Nehru University’s Purushottam Agrawal. NDTV also had an American voice with an American woman briefly invited through videophone from Delhi, and it was 4 against 1 with the BJP participant not able to counter NDTV. This is because he did not seem to have the knowledge needed to speak in such debates though he is a good debater.  He did not attack NDTV for putting it 4 against 1. He talked of the 1984 riots which simply cannot be compared with the Gujarat riots. It is a figment of the biased media’s imagination and deliberate attempt to demonize the BJP that such comparisons are made, and the 1984 riots and the Gujarat riots are equated. The Congress is never embarrassed over the riots. And the differences are too glaring for the two to be equated. The BJP participant, instead of mentioning some true facts of the Gujarat riots, lost the debate badly to the cunning Congress-Marxist combine.

B.P.Singhal’s article in the weekly Organiser dated 9 October 2005 and in The Pioneer dated 28 September 2005 on this issue is very useful. That article can be read on www.organiser.org

Let us here see the contrasts in detail:

GODHRA AND INDIRA GANDHI’S MURDER

In 1984, Indira Gandhi’s assassination on 31st October was the cause of the riots. Indira Gandhi’s murder was terrorism. It was done by 2 people, both terrorists, with bullets. Such murders are common all over the world and also in India. Murders occurs anywhere are mostly the result of stabbing or bullet shots. It was a heinous and gruesome killing, but it was not exceptionally brutal, cruel, inhuman, and barbaric like the Godhra roasting of 59 Ramsewaks.

The entire Sikh community could not, in any way, be blamed for that murder. It was just an act done by 2 people, both Indira Gandhi’s bodyguards. They were not ordinary people, but terrorists. It was not a communal act, but a terrorist one. It was not an act of barbarism.

The culprits were immediately brought to book. 2 Sikhs killed 1 Congressperson, although she was the country’s Prime Minister. It was also an attack on an individual. It was not an attack on a community, a political party i.e. the Indian National Congress, nor was it an attack on a government. The attackers just wanted to kill an individual.

On the contrary, Godhra was not terrorism, even if Justice Nanavati, Narendra Modi, George Fernandes, L.K.Advani, VHP, BJP, Organiser, Panchjanya claim so. Godhra was unparalleled in the history of independent India. The pain that Indira Gandhi suffered was momentary. But this was not the case with Godhra victims. In Godhra, the train was set on fire and not a single passenger was allowed to escape out, the train being surrounded by Muslims from both sides, armed with petrol bombs, acid bombs and swords. The passengers were burnt to death in a ghastly manner. The pain was not momentary. And even 15 children were burnt to death by the mob, which did not think of letting the children escape the ghastly death.

The attackers in Godhra were not terrorists who had AK 47 rifles, guns, and grenades. They were ordinary local Muslims. Local 2,000 Sikhs did not kill Indira Gandhi. Out of the 2,000 Godhra attackers, even if one had called the police and informed them about such a conspiracy and planned attack much before 7:48 AM when the attack took place, the killings could have been prevented. Not even one of the 2000 attackers did so. The attackers were not terrorists who had undergone training in ISI’s training camps. They were local Muslims, not foreigners, and not terrorists like Indira Gandhi’s killers.

 The killers were also not brought to book. Only 35 people were arrested for the carnage which as many as 2,000 people participated. Nobody seriously expected all 2000 to be caught, but at least two-three hundred should have been caught. What follows is an excerpt from weekly India Today (18 March 2002):

The problem, according to former director-general of police M.M. Singh, one of the finest officers Gujarat has seen, began in Godhra on February 27. He says the police should have immediately cordoned off the area from which the attackers came and taken strong action instead of allowing the culprits to flee. This, he says, would have pacified Hindu feelings to some extent right at the very outset. “Where any act is bound to lead to communal violence the police should always take strong steps against the group which has committed the act. That invariably has a salutary effect.”… There’s another story doing the rounds about which few are keen to talk about. According to it, Modi was given an ultimatum on February 27 itself by the VHP leadership to act against the perpetrators of the Godhra carnage by evening or else face the music. By evening that day the police had detained two of the six main accused besides 50 others. That was found to be inadequate by the VHP because the number of attackers in Godhra was over 1,000.”

The culprits went scot-free in Godhra (most of the 2,000 attackers) and this was one reason for the explosion on 28 Feb.

In Godhra, the attack was on a community, the Hindu community, and not on an individual. It was also not on an organization like the VHP. As a result, the retaliation was done by the entire community and not by a single organization. Also, after Indira Gandhi’s murder, no one rubbed salts into the people’s wounds by blaming her for her murder, or the Congress Party for her murder. On the contrary, after Godhra, the media-politician combine rubbed salts in the people’s wounds by blaming the Godhra killings on the VHP and arguing that the dead men and women and children had it coming to them. Some, like Congress leader the late Amarsinh Chaudhary, accused karsewaks of not paying for tea and snacks at railway platform and blamed them for the Godhra killings. Many accused the dead karsewaks of acts like taunting and harassing Muslim passengers, etc. These angered the people even more and resulted in the initial explosion on 28 February 2002. Nothing of this was done in 1984 after Indiraji’s killing to provoke and anger the people.

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RIOTERS

In 1984, the riots were not a ‘mass uprising’. They were not spontaneous. They were organized killings by members and leaders of a single political party, the Indian National Congress. Leaders of the Congress like Rajiv Gandhi, P V Narasimha Rao, Kamal Nath, Sajjan Kumar, Jagdish Tytler were reported to be culpable in the 1984 riots. In 1984, it was a political party that was enraged by the killing of one individual. The nation was also sad and angry, but did not have feelings of revenge. In Gujarat in 2002, it was the entire society that was enraged by the Godhra killings. India Today reports (18 March 2002):

Says political analyst Arvind Bosmia: “It is beyond the means of the Sangh Parivar to lead such an upsurge. It was largely a spontaneous reaction to the Godhra killings. And not just Modi but the entire Sangh Parivar has been put on this strident path. In fact Modi has been swept up in this militancy.”

This clearly proves that the 2002 Gujarat riots were impossible to have carried out by the Sangh Parivar alone. While in 1984, only the Congress was involved in the riots. The RSS cadres protected the Sikhs in 1984. National Minorities Commission Chairman Tarlochan Singh is on record saying this. (“Sikhs can never forget how RSS activists protected them in 1984 and in the Partition riots in 1947”- Tarlochan Singh, 26 July 2003).  But in the 2002 Gujarat riots, Congressmen were also involved, not only in Godhra, but also during attacks on Hindus, and also Muslims. The Times of India reported on 9th August 2003 reported that 25 Congress leaders were also accused of being involved in attacks on Muslims.

PAST HISTORY OF THE RIOTS

There have been hundreds of Hindu-Muslim riots in India since AD 1714. There have been conflicts between Hindus and Muslims right since AD 636. The foreign Muslims committed horrible atrocities on the Hindus in the medieval period. Muslims were the aggressors in almost all the Gujarat riots right since AD 1714. In the 1940s in particular, the Hindus suffered terribly in the Ahmedabad riots. There were also horrible riots in 1969 and 1985 in Gujarat. Wounds of the past haunted the people.

In 1984, the Hindu-Sikh conflicts (i.e. Congress- Sikh conflicts) if at all they can be called ‘conflicts’ and not ‘genocide of the Sikhs by the Congress Party’, were the first and only case of clashes between the two communities. Sikhs had not terrorized Congress leaders in the past, right since AD 636. After independence, Hindu-Sikh conflicts were not seen even once, not to talk of thrice, under the rule of the BJP (or, for that matter, even the Congress) in New Delhi. While in Gujarat, far worse riots took place at least three times under the Congress rule, as compared to the riots in 2002 under the BJP rule. The 1984 riots were the only and the bloodiest.

ACTION AGAINST RIOTERS

In 1984, no action was taken against the rioters at all. Not many arrests were made, despite the fact that as many as 3,000 people were killed in the riots, and the number given by Ranganath Mishra Commission is 3874. Not even one person was shot dead by the police or the Army according to an article by B P Singhal. The police was conspicuous by its absence for three full days. The army, even though available locally, was not called for three full days. But these riots escaped the media glare, because in those days, TV was barely in its infancy.
(Source: Article by B.P.Singhal in the weekly Organiser dated 9th October 2005)

In Gujarat, as many as 25,204 out of the 25,486 accused were arrested by the Gujarat police as of October 2005. As of May 2012, there were 19,200 Hindus arrested and 7799 Muslims, to have a total of 26,999 arrests- almost 27,000. In Gujarat, the entire police force of 70,000 was deployed on 27 February itself, along with all available units of Rapid Action Force. The Army was called immediately on 28 February, and newspapers like The Hindu and The Indian Express reported on 1st March 2002 that the Army had started arriving in Ahmedabad. All English dailies, biased as they are, admitted that the Army had staged a flag march in Ahmedabad as early as 1st March 2002 morning itself.

Already, we have at least 218 people (including 34 Muslims in several cases) convicted for post-Godhra riots in Gujarat and 31 for Godhra to make it 249 only from newspaper reports available to this writer, and the official records show 443 convictions- 332 Hindus and 111 Muslims, while for the 1984 riots, as per the information given out till now only 16 people have been convicted in 7 cases till now in 28 years, but CNN-IBN gave the figures of 30 people in 12 cases. In Gujarat, the police arrested more than 35,000 people as of 28 April 2002,  the highest ever in history for rioting. Not even in 1969 and 1985 were so many people arrested by the then Congress governments, when as many as 10,000 people were killed in riots which lasted as long as 5 to 6 months.

POLICE/ARMY ACTION

In Gujarat in 2002, as many as 98 people were shot dead by the police for rioting in the first three days. Out of the total killed, 170 were killed in police firing till 27 April 2002 as per the report of The Times of India dated 28 April 2002 and official records show that in all 199 were killed in police firing out of whom 101 were killed in the first week. As many as 20 % people killed in the state were in police firing (excluding missing). The deployment of the Army, which was then posted on the border (Almost the entire military strength was posted on the border in view of war-clouds between India and Pakistan), was in very quick time. As per The Hindu of 1st March 2002, the Chief Minister of Gujarat, Narendra Modi had frantically called for the deployment of the Army on February 28. The Indian Express dated 28 February 2002 also reports something similar. This is what India Today (18 March 2002) reported on the deployment of the army:

“CHRONOLOGY OF A CRISIS

FEB 27, 2002
8.03 AM: Incident at Godhra claims lives of 57 kar sevaks
8.30 AM: Modi is informed of the carnage.
4.30 PM: Gujarat Assembly adjourned and Modi visits Godhra where he holds a meeting, giving shoot-at-sight orders to the police.10.30 PM: CM holds meeting with senior government officials at Gandhinagar; orders curfew in sensitive places and pre-emptive arrests.
FEB 28, 2002
8.00 AM: Special control room set up in CM’s house to monitor the situation during VHP bandh.
12.00 PM: Modi informally contacts Centre for calling in army. Cabinet Secretary T.R. Prasad tells Defence Secretary Y. Narain that army is to be mobilised.
12.30 PM: Vice-Chief of Army Staff Lt-General N.C. Vij tells Narain that only two columns are available as the rest are deployed on the border.
12.35 PM: Prasad directs Narain to advise Chief of Army Staff Gen Padmanabhan to have troops ready due to the rapidly deteriorating situation in Ahmedabad
12.45 PM: Narain tells Vij to arrange immediate movement of troops to Gujarat.
4.00 PM: Modi requests army deployment following consultations with Advani.
6.45 PM: Cabinet Committee on Security meets under the prime minister’s chairmanship; approves the immediate movement of troops to Ahmedabad and other parts of Gujarat. Vajpayee deputes Fernandes to supervise the deployment of troops.
7.00 PM: The Gujarat Government’s formal request for army deployment is received in Delhi.
11.30 PM: Airlifting of troops begins

MARCH 1, 2002
2.30 AM: A brigade reaches Ahmedabad. The 54th Division’s General Officer Commanding contacts acting Chief Secretary.
9.00 AM: Discussions between representatives of the army and the state take place, followed by troop flag march in Ahmedabad.”

To understand this situation fully, one should read The Hindu and The Indian Express dated 1st and 2nd March 2002. The entire police force of Gujarat was deployed on 27 February itself.

Even on 1st and 2nd March 2002, riots took place in places where the Indian Army was present, i.e. Ahmedabad and Vadodara. But after 3rd March 2002, riots took place almost entirely in those places where the Army was posted. Even on 1st and 2nd March, close to 100 people each were killed, despite the presence of the Indian Army.

In 1984, despite the army being available locally, it was not called for three days. At that time, there wasn’t even an insurgency in Kashmir. There was no war-like situation between any of the neighbors, either Pakistan or China. The entire military strength was not deployed on the border. Neither were police visible in New Delhi. The police did not kill even a single attacker in firing in 1984 as per B P Singhal’s article. Not even a single preventive arrest appears to have been made in 1984, as against 827 made on 27 February itself, even before a single riot had taken place in Gujarat. Many more preventive arrests (20,000) were made after the riots had begun. Narendra Modi gave shoot at sight orders in Godhra on 27 February. There were also similar orders in many other towns in Gujarat, as reported by The Hindu dated 2nd March 2002.

In 2002, the Gujarat police saved as many 24,000 Muslims from certain death in the first three days itself. At least 17,500 people are on record to be saved from certain death. Police saved Muslims in Sanjeli, Bodeli, and Viramgam from the rioters.

There are no such available records for the 1984 riots where it can be said that Sikhs were saved and rioters were killed. The entire Sikh community was held responsible for the deeds of 2 Sikhs, in 1984. And the police turned a blind eye to the riots and no action was taken against the rioters.  Hardly 16 or 30  convictions took place in 28 years.

VERSIONS OF THE RIOTS

During the time of the 1984 riots, the versions of the riots were similar and identical in all sections of the press throughout the country. Whether it was the national English dailies, the local English dailies, the local Hindi dailies, or the regional language dailies all over the country, the reporting on the riots was exactly the same. The reporting of the TV news, radio news, was also exactly the same. In those days, TV was barely in its infancy, and hence the riots escaped the media glare. But there was not an iota of difference between the reports of any section of the media on a single case.

On the contrary, there was a contrast of day and night in the versions of the riots as projected by the ‘national’ English media as against the sharply contrasting versions appearing in the local Gujarati newspapers of all hues. This was because the Gujarati media reported the truth, while the English media always took the side of the Muslims, even if they indulged in cold-blooded murder, or were at the receiving end.

There was also a huge difference in the versions of the riots as projected by the same national English media and the electronic media, during the actual time of the riots in March April 2002, and the reports by the same media months after the actual riots.

Anyone reading the English dailies like The Indian Express, The Hindu, and the weeklies like India Today of March April 2002, will understand this fully. These same dailies/weeklies ignored their own reports during the time of the riots ever after, and started reporting completely biased and one-sided.

The TV channels also played a lot of mischief on the issue of the Gujarat riots. NDTV is linked to the CPI (M). This is because, NDTV boss Radhika Roy, wife of NDTV Chairman Prannoy Roy, and CPI (M) MP and Politburo member Brinda Karat, wife of CPI (M) General Secretary Prakash Karat, are blood sisters. Not just that, both Prannoy and Radhika Roy are staunch Communists. B.P.Singhal writes in an article in the weekly Organiser dated 9 October 2005:

The 1984 riots escaped the media glare because TV was barely in its infancy.

On the other hand, a lot of mischief was played by the electronic media, which went on repeating some of the gory incidents of riots day after day. One channel repeated a particularly gory seen as many as 21 times. An image was thus created by the collaborating media that the massacre of Muslims was continuing unabated in Gujarat, day after day. The truth is that the total number of riot-related accused that came to light in entire Gujarat was 25,486 (17,489 Hindus and 7,997 Muslims). The efficiency of the Police can be gauged from the fact that out of the above mentioned number, as many as 25,204 accused were arrested- out of which 17,348 were Hindus and 7,856 were Muslims. The police in Gujarat was therefore not sleeping at any time.”

PEOPLE KILLED IN THE RIOTS

In 1984, as many as 3,000 people were killed officially in just a week for the deeds of 2 people. The Ranganath Mishra Commission gives the number as 3874 in all with more than 2300 in Delhi alone.

On the other hand, in Gujarat in 2002, a total of 790 Muslims (a number given by a UPA Minister) were killed for the deeds of 2000 Muslims in Godhra, in addition to as many as 254 Hindus killed after Godhra + the 59 Hindus killed in Godhra. A net result of deaths in Gujarat in 2002 would be 790 Muslims and 313 Hindus. While in 1984, it was at least 3,000 Sikhs and 1 Congressperson. The sinner victim ratio (of co-religionists) in 1984 was 2: 3000, while in 2002 in Gujarat, it was 2000: 790 and in addition 254 Hindus were killed in the post-Godhra riots.

Riots in 2002 AD in Gujarat stopped in just three days, and after 3rd March 2002, the state was completely normal except for some violence in Ahmedabad, Vadodara and some places near Godhra. This was in sharp contrast to the Gujarat riots of 1969 and 1985, which continued for as long as 5 months, or even the 1990-91-92 riots in the state.

Not even a single Congressman (or for that matter, any attacker) was killed in 1984, while as many as 254 Hindus were killed in Gujarat in 2002, after Godhra. It is on record that Muslims had started 157 riots in Gujarat after 3rd March 2002. Muslims attacked Hindus in Himmatnagar area of Ahmedabad and killed a young Hindu after gouging out his eyes.

In 1984, on the contrary, the Sikhs did not start even a single riot. No Congressman was killed after gouging out of eyes. The Sikhs did not attack any Congressman. Sikhs were poor victims in 1984, unlike the Muslims in 2002 in Gujarat, who were equally on the offensive.

RIOTS’ GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS

In 1984, the riots occurred not just in New Delhi, but also in many other far-off places, mostly in Congress ruled states. Not just that, Congressmen attacked Sikhs in as far off places as West Bengal, Tripura. Veteran CPI (M) leader Harkishan Singh Surjeet in an article published in the CPI (M)’s weekly Peoples Democracy in August 2005 accused Mamata Banerjee of being involved in killing of Sikhs in West Bengal in the 1984 riots resulting in her threatening to file a defamation suit. Another link: http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/76644/

However, Surjeet’s own comrades in West Bengal dissociated themselves from his charge. Anil Biswas, West Bengal secretary of the CPI(M), gave a clean chit to Mamata Banerjee, saying: ‘‘I have no knowledge about Mamata Banerjee having played any role in anti-Sikh riots in Kolkata…” We (Admins of this website) certainly do not believe this charge against Mamata Banerjee at all, but merely use it to prove that anti-Sikh riots occurred in as far off places as West Bengal, Tripura, etc.

In 2002, not a single person was attacked or killed in any place outside Gujarat, not even in riot-prone Mumbai. As B. P. Singhal wrote in his article in Organiser, “The Hindu community in the country ensured that the riots did not spread beyond Gujarat even though Godhra had severely outraged the Hindus all over the country.” If the VHP or the Bajrang Dal were hell-bent on creating riots as a matter of policy, there could have been mayhem in almost every part of India. However, none of this happened. The riots were limited to Gujarat only.

Even in Gujarat, no riots took place in one-third of the state, i.e. in Saurashtra and Kutch, even in the first three days. This shows the sincerity of the government and the Sangh Parivar in observing restraint. VHP had units in 10,000 out of Gujarat’s 18,600 villages. Had it wanted to, it could have caused riots in all the 10,000 villages. However, riots were limited only to 40 or 50 villages- and a total of 90 places.

PEOPLE RENDERED HOMELESS

In Gujarat in the 2002 riots, Hindus were also rendered homeless. As on 5 March 2002, out of the 98 relief/refugee camps opened, 85 were for Muslims and 13 were for Hindus. As on 17 March 2002, as many as 10,000 Hindus were rendered homeless in Ahmedabad alone, as per The Times of India. As on 25 April 2002, out of the 1 lakh (i.e. 100 thousand) 40 thousand refugees, 1 lakh were Muslims and as many as 40 thousand were Hindus.

In 1984, not a single Congressman or non-Sikh individual was rendered homeless. B.P.Singhal writes in his article, “On the other hand, no attempt was made to open even a single refugee camp for the hounded Sikhs at any point of time anywhere. Actually, as per Nanavati Commission report, weapons of the Sikhs living in Sikh localities were withdrawn with the promise of protection by the police while the same localities were then attacked.”

Far from non-Sikh people staying in refugee camps because of attacks by the Sikhs, even the displaced Sikhs were not provided any refugee camps to stay. This was in sharp contrast to Gujarat in 2002, when Hindus were forced out of their homes by Muslims and forced to stay in refugee camps. Some Hindus were forced to live in temples, since no relief camps were available for them.

Who is going to awaken the masses about the truth of the Gujarat riots? Those who claim to be ‘awakened’, i.e. the RSS and the Sangh Parivar are themselves ignorant of the truth of the Gujarat riots. Those who are aware of the truth of the riots do nothing to educate the masses and the BJP leaders on this issue. The RSS’ weeklies like Organiser, Panchjanya also concede, wittingly or unwittingly, that the post-Godhra riots were one-sided which they weren’t.

From the present situation, it is going to take nothing less than a miracle to blast the media myths on the Gujarat riots, and let the truth triumph (this is what was felt in May 2007).

Some more details on this topic are given in the book.

http://www.amazon.in/Gujarat-Riots-True-Story-Truth/dp/1482841649/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426094521&sr=8-1&keywords=gujarat+riots+deshpande

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Comments

50 Responses to “Contrasts between 1984 and Gujarat 2002 riots”

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    pranav patel UNITED STATES Says:

    Modi government was suppose to protect the citizens whether they were Hindu or Muslims. The government supported the rioters and the law enforcement agencies openly supported the rioters and after 6 years still the justice is being diverted and no justice had been served to the muslim community. Very few cases were justice was served is outside the Gujarat court. For India to be strong we need to respect each other religion and have tolerance towards each other and respect the law and constitution. Gujarat is a land of Gandhi and not Godshe the murdere. VHP,BJD,RSS and BJP should be banned and all Hindutva terrorist who are destroying the social fabric of India should be hang in public.

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    Rahul Kedia INDIA Says:

    Pranav Patel-you are the one who should be banned from posting lies. You can only abuse the BJP/RSS/VHP combine and the Gujarat government and not counter a single argument posted in this chapter. There have been convictions of 66 people-including 22 Muslims and 44 Hindus-out of which 56 have been in Gujarat. 35 Hindus and 22 Muslims have been convicted in Gujarat. You are not able to counter a single argument posted here. Far from allowing the rioters to riot-the state government managed to control the riots in 3 days-even after a shocking massacre like Godhra-while it took the previous Congress governments 6 months to stop the riots in 1969 and 1985 in Gujarat-even without any cause as Godhra.

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    patel UNITED KINGDOM Says:

    duhhhh….. Did you not see the documentary where RSS killers confess that they were given 3 days by killer facist Modi go do what they want? Why there is no legal action those facists who openely confess to killing muslims….

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    Kedar INDIA Says:

    double duhhh… you mean the 3 days from February 28th to March 1st? What planet do you live in Mr.Patel? The riots began on February 28th and the army was already marching in Ahmedabad on the 1st of March (in case, you dont know, its the very next day– Feb has only 28 days in a non-leap year).

    And I suppose you dont know that expose itself has been exposed long back… the alleged “RSS killers” were just hired actors told to read out some script– they had no idea they were being framed.

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    Rahul Kedia INDIA Says:

    Mr Patel-have you not the chapter “Tehelka lies”? These statements of the so-called ‘killers’ were boastful lies-uttered in a private conversation. The Hindu dated 1st March 2002 reported that the Chief Minister Narendra Modi frantically called the Army units to Ahmedabad on Feb 28-it also reported that the Army units have started arriving on the night of Feb 28. The Army staged flag marches on 1st March in the forenoon-as reported by all leading dailies the next day.
    Legal actions against facsists confessing to killing Muslims? There should be legal action against Tehelka for LYING that the Gujarat riots were a ‘genocide’ -and calling the boastful lies as confessions. Tehelka cannot answer any of the questions raised by this author.

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    Deepak UNITED STATES Says:

    well said Mr.Patel, if not that, then I wish some terrorist come to rahul kedia’s house and do a bomb blast and only he survives, so he can have a look at what it means to loose family members irrespective of justification, then we will let him do all his counter arguments and we will also invite him to NDTV…

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    Rahul Kedia INDIA Says:

    No point talking with people like Deepak. Even I can say that one day- some of his family members should be killed by MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS – like they killed in Godhra, Akshardham and elsewhere- to make this man know the danger of Islamic fundamnetalism- but I will not say it.
    Wishing that my family members should die- for some fault of mine- is again showing Deepak’s mental level.
    THERE IS NO NEED TO TELL ME HOW IT FEELS TO LOOSE RELATIVES. MY GRANDFATHER WAS INJURED IN 1990 WHILE TRYING TO REACH AYODHYA- the 59 karsewaks brutally killed in Godhra- were as good as my relatives. Only hope some day you blind people will get vision- to see the real danger to humanity- which is from Islamic fundamentalists.
    GOD- FORGIVE DEEPAK NOT- for wishing the death of my family members- for he knows what he doing.

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    Priya INDIA Says:

    it’s sad to know that our country is so full of idiots it doesn’t need riots to bring it down. all of you here are pro or anti bjp etc…does it matter? the fact is that so many people died and all you care about is comparing it to another incident where so many people died. does any one justify the other…doesn’t it occur to any of you that at the end of the day all over the world it’s just human being with the same flesh and blood dying???

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    DEEPAK UNITED STATES Says:

    thank priya, but please explain to this to RAHUL KEDIA…because its people like him who have systematically justifying the backlash as normal reaction to godhra…I have never said what happened in past or now is worst or bad, my point is what BJP had done is gujarat is horrific, but people like him so blatantly try to save gujarat government, to him it doesn’t matter if women were raped, children were burnt, to him it is all about saving gujarat government, because they did a good job in protecting civilians, top him because gujarat police saved muslims in other localities, it is fine if some of them died, why?? why were they left to killed?? women were raped on the streets, and the police could not do anything?? there are videos of police attacking the minority community as the mobs wait to attack them…he can even deny that, all this arguments are based on newspaper statements, government statements and pathetic BJP statements.

    He has not once even mention about the documentaries made by RAKESH SHARMA, and what they in fact show, that man went across gujarat to collect testimonies, victims over victims and eye witnesses are openly saying that the police said on their face, WE HAVE NO ORDERS TO SAVE YOU, but to him that is false, ask RAHUL if police were not anti-muslim, why are so many people testifying about it?? why have been thousands of cases moved outside gujarat if gujarat administration was so efficient? even supreme court does not trust gujarat government, it said in 2007 in an observation , that “WE HAVE LOST FAITH IN GUJARAT GOVT”, these is statement of chief justice of supreme court, and to RAHUL this things don’t mean anything, but what is published in India today is historic and ultimate truth…

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    DEEPAK UNITED STATES Says:

    Oh I don’t wish your family members die or get hurt, but if you are a group pf people who like to go to AYODHYA to bring down a mosque and support BJP in that, well that I hope your family members (whoever go to ayodhya) should be shot down…because this is fundamentalist in itself to bring down a a mosque to make a temple, it would be right thing to make a temple next to that mosque…but you people will not do it, because it not about religion dude…you are not even a hindu, neither is anyone who claims to sing the TONE of JAIII SRIIII RAM…you are all just rapists, killers and goons…now sing JAIII SRIIII RAMMMM

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    Rahul INDIA Says:

    Really?
    “We have no orders to save you?”
    What about the 98 people shot dead in police firing in 3 days?
    SUPREME COURT HAVING NO FAITH in Gujarat government. How does that prove that the police turned a blind eye to the rioting?
    I believe India Today weekly- whats wrong with it? ARE YOU DENYING THAT GUJARAT POLICE SAVED 2500 MUSLIMS FROM CERTAIN DEATH IN SANJELI- A TOWN IN NORTH GUJARAT- FROM A VIOLENT MOB?
    Nobody-including Rakesh Sharma or Supreme Court- or any self-proclaimed ‘secularist’ has ever challenged this fact.
    Have you seen the testimonies of people of Sanjeli- the Muslims who thank the police for saving them from certain death?

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    DEEPAK UNITED STATES Says:

    I think is this is the only way you keep your aside or argument alive. By quoting police statements and newspapers, because this is the only thing to supports your statement. The fact is you are trying to give BJP as good hand for saving some muslims and letting others die, a efficient government would have not ever let the riots happen…

    and your so called number of 98 people died, how you want anyone to believe that those killed were all rioters?/ when the police didn’t even let the post mortem to happen for hundreds of bodies in initial days, because most of the women were raped and burnt alive?? you want people to trust this corrupt police for the numbers they gave??? go and actually see what the conditions are, before quoting numbers, a government who simply denied any relief to victims for almost a moth?? a CM who visited the relief camps on April 4??? after a month of riots??? YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE RE TELLING THE TRUTH TO MEDIA?? because as far as i know, media people did not count the bodies or identified them, it is what the police tells them…

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    DEEPAK UNITED STATES Says:

    W E H A V E N O O R D E R S T O S A V E Y O U

    http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2002/india/gujarat.pdf

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    DEEPAK UNITED STATES Says:

    READ ADVANI’S OWN STATEMENT :

    The religion-wise break-up of those killed was: Muslims 790 and Hindus 254. In addition, 223 people were reported missing. I accept that the unofficial death toll might have been higher.

    3RD PARAGRAPH, MIDDLE LINES…READ IT HE HIMSELF ADMITS THE UNOFFICIAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DIES CAN BE MUCH HIGHER, AND BLAME MEDIA ABOUT LYING TO THEIR TEETH???

    http://www.lkadvani.in/eng/content/view/596/365/

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    Rahul INDIA Says:

    Really?
    Modi visited relief camps on April 4?
    Read “India Today” weekly dated 18 March 2002- to know that he visited relief camps on 5 MARCH!

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    Rahul INDIA Says:

    Mr Deepak-
    Official death toll CANNOT be higher than 223 + 790 + 254
    Assuming that ALL 223 missing are dead- total is 1267.
    WHAT GIVES ANYONE THE RIGHT TO CLAIM THAT MORE THAN 1267 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE RIOTS? Or are you going to kill more innocent people in Gujarat and claim that they were infact killed in 2002- to inflate the number of people killed?

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    Rahul INDIA Says:

    And so much for your hatred for Hinduism-
    1- Hinduism does not believe in sati. Sati was abolished in 1829 by Hindu reformer Raja Ram Mohan Roy’s efforts
    2- Islam is a terrorist religion. At a time when the rest of the world was practising slavery- Hinduism practised caste-system. To know the real face of Islam- http://www.islam-watch.org
    So much for your knowledge of Islam- defeat this site’s writers- who are ex-Muslims
    3- Teaching people to rape others? Do you know how many thousands of our women were raped and abducted by Muslims in medieval India? And in 1947?
    If you really hate Hinduism- you should also see the trrue face of Islam- can you defeat Ali Sina of http://www.faithfreedom.org ?

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    DEEPAK UNITED STATES Says:

    HINDUISM ABOLISHED SATI IN 1829…

    AND HOW OLD IS HINDUISM??? YOUR MORON IT WAS ABOLISHED 2 CENTURIES AGO, AND HINDUISM IS THOUSANDS OF YEAR OLD, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? ALL THOSE THOUSANDS OF YEAR THEY WERE BURNING WOMEN !!!

    I DUN CARE OF ISLAM, BECAUSE I AM NOT RELATED TO IT!! IF I DO NOT FOLLOW A RELIGION, WHY WOULD I CARE TO KNOW ABOUT IT?? BUT I CANNOT AGREE THAT MY RELIGION IS ANY BETTER EITHER… HINDUISM HAS SOME OF THE MOST BIZARRE RITUALS IN ITS POCKET…AND THATS WHY THOSE WHO FOLLOW IT BLINDLY ARE FANATICS…

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    arun UNITED STATES Says:

    Sati was abolished in 1829, majorly by the effort of raja ram Mohan Roy.
    Hinduism is very very very old, how come sati is not abolished long back? valid question Mr. Deepak.

    No Hindu scriptures describe sati as a custom. Rig-Veda and some parts of Mahabharata refer to sati as a noble act. You must remember saying as Noble act and saying an act which should be followed diligently are different.

    No Epics describe about women doing Sati. In fact many things in Epics will look puzzling to you. panchaali was married to 5, and no one in the society came forward in arms against it. Kundi had an illicit relation and Karna was born in that, but Kundi and Panchali are considered as noble women. why? I do not wish to give ready made answers, you can find the answers if you search for it.

    Regarding Sati.

    Sati and news about Sati came much during the medieval period, precisely after the start of Muslim onslaught. The custom was prominent in the warrior class, such as Rajputs and also along the borders (Rajasthan, Gujarat, Bihar etc). It is very rare in South India and East India. There are cases of women of entire royal family committing suicide. After the medieval period we suddenly hear a lot of cases about Sati, and it should be understood that the custom become so bad in those period.

    You cannot blame the the entire Hindu history for Sati. You must see the good thing that Hindus itself same forward to abolish it, how many social reforms you see in Islam and Christianity?

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    suchithra INDIA Says:

    Narendra Modi deserves to be the Prime Minister of this country .The question is does the country deserve him? Are we ready for some one who speaks the truth and acts on his conscience, or we still continue to deserve the litter of Nehru? The only problem with Narendra Modi is that he was the CM in a state which bravely responded to the threat of Muslim fundamentalism. However since the Muslims and most of the Hindus are only used to see Hindu massacred without counter response, they find it difficult to digest what happened in Gujarat. They want the last thousand years of “tradition” to continue- Hindus being killed, Hindu sons and daughters being kidnapped and Hindu women being raped in broad day light- without any anger in Hindus and any remorse in Muslims

    I do not understand why media and so called NGO s like Teesta are after Modi. I advise these people to see Cong rule from 1947 till 1990 s in Gujarat and tabulate the riots in Gujarat and ask questions to Congress. What happened in Gujarat was sad and unfortunate incident, but 1984 Delhi riots was major one when compared to this. If the media had spent 10% of its time and energy on 1984 riots I would have said the media tried to be neutral. In 2002, 971 out of nearly 60 lacs muslims lost their lives against nearly 3000 of 12 lacs sikhs in Delhi 1984. Police was silent spectator in Delhi riots whereas Gujarat police fired thousands of bullets to control riots claiming almost equal lives from both the communities. Army was called out on the first day of riots. Rajiv Gandhi justified Delhi riots by saying that the earth shakes when big tree falls. Yet no one raised finger at Rajiv Gandhi and so-called seculars are attacking Modi every day. Unless media clarifies on this, they have no moral right to point accusing finger at Modi else Modi will continue to draw sympathy from Gujaratis. I request Media and so called secular people to remove pseudo secular goggle and see the world with their naked eyes.

    People demand that Modi should be tried in international court. Why? Do they not have faith in Indian judiciary? The mob was sponsored by the then ruling party, the Congress. The Supreme Court has been sleeping over the 84 Pogrom since then. The sikhs were cut into pieces n burnt alive while their women were chased n raped. And all this happened in a matter of 72 hours. I remember seeing this picture on TV where the dead bodies were piled on to a truck; the pictures are extremely gruesome & one shudders at the level of inhumanity. The then PM Rajiv Gandhi was glorified and was never taken to task for masterminding the 84 genocide.

    If Modi is not a PM candidate as he was involved in Guj Riots, that was the same case with Rajiv Gandhi who was responsible for the Sikh massacre or Sikh Genocide in 1984 but he eventually became PM.

    Media exaggerates about Godhra riots and poses him as a communal leader – well, let media also know that Modi administration has demolished 80 hindu temples in Gujarat’s capital. I repeat – 80 hindu temples in Gandhinagar – Media, – now Modi must be really a devil for Hindus – right?? You may call Teesta Setalvad.

    Modi came into prominence after he rebuilt the devasted Bhuj area after the earth quake. A predominantly muslim area took no dimension of religion in a no nonsense speed. There was no corruption and greediness. Compare it with the Bhopal case when Congress ruled the State. It was corruption synonimus and to date the sufferers have not got compensation and money has been got from abroad and digested by Congress politicians. The main victims were Muslims. So much for the guardians of Secularism

    Media – this is for you to publish – if you speak/write – say it in full.
    1. Which is the state where Muslims has highest per capita income?? – GUJARAT.
    2. Which is the state from where Muslims has paid highest tax?? – GUJARAT.
    3. Which is the state where Muslims has highest level of education?? – GUJARAT.

    Why doesn’t Media Highlight the greatness of Modi ?

    It was during his headship Gujarat registered the highest growth rate among all the states in India with a GDP growth rate of over 10%
    - Narendra Modi was credited by the Gujarat Government for reducing the fiscal deficiency of the state treasury by 50%
    - He was credited for reducing the losses of the Gujarat State Electricity Board.
    - Height of the Narmada Dam from 95 to 110.64 metres accomplishments of his government resulted into increased irrigation, water supplies and hydroelectric power.
    - For the 500,000 government employees in Gujarat, Modi has launched a motivated training programme. -He has been awarded by `India Today` as the best chief minister thrice in three years.
    - He has the power to take Nano plant in Gujarat in historically short span of procedure (just 2-3 days) Can you imagine any process going successfully in India in such short span ???

    Media – what do you conclude of these points?. Please feel free to cross verify these statements.

    There were riots even prior to Modi government – many “innocent (Muslims & Hindus)” were killed. None of those ministers were painted as communal. Above all, none of those ministers helped in development of Gujarat and its people either?? Media – don’t you realize this?

    A “Communal” Modi is a lot preferable to me as a PM when your secular alternative includes bafoons like Lalu.

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    DEEPAK UNITED STATES Says:

    Suchitra I have no DOUBT , you just another slaves on RSS, In fact one of these men only with a changed name, and I am not going to argue all these premeditated bullshit you just have typed here, but let me clear your mind on how much blatantly you are lying about GUJARAT.

    You said in GUJARAT muslims are most educated and pay most taxes. Well madam, you should know:
    1. A comparative picture indicates that though the literacy percentage is higher than the average figure, Gujarat is still far behind Kerala. The state is ranked 15th among 25 Indian states.

    2. 2. A glaring problem in Gujarat is the dropout rate. Though registration is 100 per cent, the dropout rate is higher than the all India rate, not to talk of Kerala and Tamil Nadu. At least 35 per cent of the children enrolled drop out when they reach 4th and 5th standards.

    You talk about progress of GUJARAT all because of modi, first you realize the Gruesome truth of GUJARAT with modi ruling it. There are more farmers suicidal in GUJARAT now then ever before , is this HIGHLIGHT of MODI??

    Read thisa rticle and open your mind to the actual truth:
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/923817.cms

    And yes, modi is terrorist and will be punished sooner ot later..forget about being a PM, just a thought of him being a PM sent BJP to the ground on their face, dun ever even bother making him a candidate, party won’t even secure 50 seats overall, I guarantee it! lol

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    Looser INDIA Says:

    FunnY!!!!!!!!!

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    Looser INDIA Says:

    LoL . . .. . .. .. .
    . . .. .

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    walusha INDIA Says:

    all you guys are just fighting with each other personally and not debating the issue… especially rahul and deepak….
    and rahul… bad on your part for saying islam a terrorrist religion… u shd respect all religions.. irrespective of which u belong to..

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    samrat BANGLADESH Says:

    Indian government should give extra safety to muslim because some people like naradra modi wants to kill muslim but they dont know it will be very dangerous for them muslims cant die they come back again by the grace of allah

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    samrat BANGLADESH Says:

    Rahul you should bear in mind that in all religion have some bad people and good people. muslim relegion and hindu also have but Islam is a corret relegion in the world in because in ”holy quran and hadis” says all the things before that happen in the world muslims says that in moon there was a mark hundreds years ago. astronuts go there and found and then they become muslim instantly. In eygpt fharauns mummy also did not destroy about thousand years in water this also a prove please try to understand the quran than you will know which is the main relegion in the world. can you give us any true ex of hindusim I think never but I can give you many ex of Islam instantly

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    Ashish INDIA Says:

    @Samrat From what you have written I can make out that you are a follower of Zakir Naik and have read books of the money hungry idiot Maurice Bucaille. If you have so much confidence in your Islam answer this:

    1. Ali Sina has challenged the world’s muslims to prove logically that quran is the word of God and if someone is succesful in doing so, he will close down his website and give $5000,000 to that person. WHY HAS NOT A SINGLE MUSLIM AMONG THE WORLD’S MUSLIM POPULATION BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY ACCEPT THAT CHALLENGE? WHY?

    2. Why are muslim majority countries always in a state of internal unrest if Islam is a religion of peace. Also, the minorities are oppressed their(no freedom of religion in Saudi). WHY?

    3.I am quoting from Hadith Muslim which you Muslims consider to be authentic traditions of Muhammad. (Book 1 – Number 156) On being asked about the gravest sins which can be commited by man, he replied that associating a partner to Allah(Polytheism) is the biggest sin, even bigger than commiting theft or having sex with your neighbour’s wife.
    Hadith Muslim – Book 1 Number 171 – Muhammad says that even if a person commits theft or adultery will go to heaven if he is a muslim. Sick Islamic Logic. This means an Osama, Saddam or any terrorist would enter paradise at the same time those who are not Muslims but good people will roast eternally in hell. WHY?

    4.”9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.” Quran Chapter 9 Verse 5 RELIGION OF PEACE???? And don’t give me Zakir Naik’s explanation that this verse was revealed in a warlike situation. I have read Ibn Ishaq, Saad and Bukhari(which is authentic) and this verse was invented by Muhammad to prevent the polytheists from performing the Hajj. PLEASE JUSTIFY.

    5. How can Allah be just if everyone who dies a disbeliever will go to hell? This is unfair as there were millions of people who died before Muhammad.

    6. Muslims claim that Allah is formless
    One whom I created with my two hands.( 38:75 )
    The heavens are rolled in his right hand.( 39:67 )
    That you are brought up under my eye.( 20:29 )
    WHAT IS ALL THIS?

    Some Contradictions in Quran

    Numerical contradictions

    There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations?

    How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?

    Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

    Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

    Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
    Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

    The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

    Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

    Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

    Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

    Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days

    Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 – 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ?

    Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?

    Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning

    Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.

    So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?
    Creation of the Heaven and Earth

    Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heaven was created first.

    Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

    Quran 79: 27 – 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

    Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!
    Sun-set and Sun-rise

    Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:

    Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

    Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

    Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.
    A resting place for Sun!?

    Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
    Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
    Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

    Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s rotation.

    A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
    Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”.

    Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today.
    Why Allah Created Stars!

    Samrat if Islam is really the true religion that you claim, answer these questions.

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    Religious Conflict – Political Craft ? « imandeepkaur UNITED STATES Says:

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    Amit Says:

    NAMO has a right to ask: “Main karu to saala character dheelaa hai???”

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    suresh patange INDIA Says:

    conspiracy by cong . govt. in paricular and hindu bashers in and among hindus in general like to please muslims at any cost even they spitt ou you take a example oh ahmid karzai he openly admonished india to praise pak. no muslim country in the world wants majority hindus ro florish i do not know when this attitute of hindus will change

    jago hindus jago desh khatre main hain

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    Jaz Singh Says:

    I think it might be a good idea if someone gave an English language lesson on the definition of the words ‘riot’ and ‘rioters’. Its a bit like describing a beheading as a slap. Useful, if you don’t wanna give the impression that something really quite disgusting has happened but it ain’t the truth, is it now ? Although the last human life was lost in 1984 there’s something else that’s been being murdered ever since and is still being killed : The Truth !

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    Ravi Rai Says:

    Islam is false (since the Quran contains many mistakes, even 1 mistake is enough to dismiss the Quran as a word of God) and also dangerous since it contains many violent passages and laws which are horrible- like woman needing 4 male witnesses to prove rape else she would be whipped and stoned to death for extra marital …, or sorcery practising beliefs, belief in Jinns, no girl education, women treated inferior to men, etc. therefore I request all my Muslim brothers of India to come back to your own religion ie.Sanatan Dharma…
    Oo Nandan Parinde Ghar Aaja..And even if not to Hinduism, just leave Islam- become humanists, atheists, Christians, Hindus or anything, but leave Islam because it is false and dangerous…break free from the mental prison of Islam and stop living in constant fear of Hell…

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    G Singh INDIA Says:

    How so ever one tries to bring out the truth, there are some anti Hindu Rabid Socialites and “Social Service” Women who will twist the truth. Lap Press of the “Leader”of India, will add their vehemence.

    The basic problem is Gujarat is progressing and corrupt have no standing there. Rest of India is suffering with only cooked up data (and sensex)showing progress and corrupt are flourishing. It is the corrupt who have grabbed almost all media of India who will beat anti Modi drums to safe guard their Swiss bank accounts.

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    Pratap UNITED STATES Says:

    Sir,
    Wonderful article. These things should be understood by biased poeple who keep on ranting meaninglessly about Narendra Modi. Shame on Media and Cunning Congress

    Pratap

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    UR faithfully AUSTRALIA Says:

    This site should be in HINDI & other regional language too. Bcuz most of the users are internet savvy but dont know english.

    UR faithfully

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    GOGO UNITED STATES Says:

    hi

    this article is bullshit. the one who killed that heartless lady were not terriorist. the just took revenge of what she did to our holyshrine back in June.

    We Sikhs protect your hindu women. got ourselves killed even to save their lives.

    Please read sikh history begore calling them terrorists.

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    Naveen Says:

    Regardless of religion killing innocent people can never be encouraged.They should be punished. But here its happening in other way.

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    mani INDIA Says:

    bull. gandhi family’s clout should be finished

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    nivi Says:

    well by religion i am hindu…..but seriously i feel shame that i am hindu…..i have studied sikh riots…that was all horrible.i cried hard that how could a person do this cruel things how could….not only congress but all poltician parties are same they are brothers behind the scene.

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    Nav INDIA Says:

    another contrast is that despite the role of Rajiv Ghandhi in 1984burns, we rarely find Media articles trying to blot him, like we find on Modi. Rather there are attempts to promote him (RajivG) as National Hero. infact we have National PEACE awards set after his name (as if India lack icons to name PEACE awards after). but on the other hand the role of Modi got investigated by many Govt, Judicial and even media agencies; though they still have to find something reasonable against him.

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    Md Ashraf Khan INDIA Says:

    Actually no religion is bad.Never try to criticize any religion.

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    Md Ashraf Khan AUSTRALIA Says:

    Actually no religion is bad.Never try to criticize any religion.

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    Nar Bandar Mochi Says:

    Tum saale log kitna bhi likhoge lekin itihas wahi rahega jo hua hai sab jaante hain…ek na ek din dekhna hum tumhari **********… ******** kaafir

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    Amit AUSTRALIA Says:

    Whatever happened in Gujarat was not a right thing but blaming Modiji for it is completely wrong and incorrect.

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    Ramakrishnan Marar INDIA Says:

    Good work.

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    Tufayl Ahmed UNITED KINGDOM Says:

    What about the 1990 hyderabad riots?

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    Tejindar singh INDIA Says:

    Comparison is illogical. The article seems to be a step to cover up murders.

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    Apu Says:

    No need to criticize any religion. It is people who are to blame. And the biggest factor is illiteracy. The illiterate community is the violent one in most cases.

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    Indranil Bhattacharjee INDIA Says:

    its all about instigating someone, some community anyway.. every action has got its equal and opposite reaction.. its proven scientifically and spiritually.. as you said since record available in history Muslims / Moghuls had kept on attacking our country / community.. agreed to that.. but our religion teaches us that we don’t have right to kill even a minuscule living entity for the sake of our revenge/lust unless it has endangered our existence.. if the incident happened in Godhra (endangered the existence of Hindus there) then why Government of Gujrat should have promoted a Mass killing in other parts of the state for the sake of revenge? yes i term it as “Govt. promoted”.. and if you say that Media and sections of politicians are biased then how you are unbiased taking side of the other community ? the fact is that for the sake of achieving political mileage some politicians set the lives of Indians to fire / mass killing

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    16 Years After Godhra; 189 Tweets Which Expose The Whole Reality Behind the Riots UNITED STATES Says:

    [...] Sikh riots & 2002 post-Godhra were similar. Truth is dere was a contrast of day & night http://www.gujaratriots.com/index.php/2008/08/contrasts-between-1984-and-gujarat-2002-riots/  [...]

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