Gujarat Riots: The True Story

The Truth of the 2002 riots

The Godhra Carnage

Difference between Godhra and other tragic incidents

Several people- unable to understand the sufferings of the Hindu society- have asked- “Why did riots occur only after Godhra? Why was nobody targeted after the Akshardham temple attack- or after the attacks on Mumbai on 26 November 2008?” Well- the answers are many.

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    Abdul SAUDI ARABIA Says:

    This is totally biased and partisan website. No matter how hard the webmasters of this site try to hide the truth, the truth is very clearly evident to the whole world. Most of the mysteries that are presented as myths in this website are actually facts.

    The editors of this site must know that if one or two individuals are getting fooled, they cannot fool every tom, dick and harry.

    Every day is not a Sunday.

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    Ajinkya AUSTRALIA Says:

    @Abdul-
    same question to you too then- if that is so- why dont you accept the challenge and put forward your arguments which will prove what you are saying? http://www.gujaratriots.com/our-challenge/
    Top Islamists and Islam-apologists are hiding in their rat holes and not accepting this challenge. You saw what pathetic arguments have been put forward by Jaffar Mohammad against this site. If you are so convinced that this site is untrue- why dont you prove it?

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    Ajinkya AUSTRALIA Says:

    @Abdul
    And by the way- if this site was biased it would not included this part:
    http://www.gujaratriots.com/38/attacks-on-muslims/

    See for yourself- a special category devoted exclusively to Muslim sufferings.

  12. 12
    Abdul SAUDI ARABIA Says:

    @Ajinkya: If you check what is presented about the godhra train incident, it is very clear that this website is hiding the truth in this link:
    http://www.gujaratriots.com/15/the-entire-happenings-in-godhra-how-the-massacre-occurred/

    Why didn’t this website mention about the crimes committed by the Hindu Ramsevaks all thoughout the Journey? Why didn’t they mention that a Muslim girl was abducted by those Hindu Terrorists? This is the main reason why the train was stopped. Below are few of the evidences.

    Dr. Amar Singh, a member of parliament from Samajwadi Party, spoke with two of the Hindu victims of the train-burning incident in Godhra. They revealed that, “all along the journey these Ramsevaks (the Hindu militants) were behaving like Gundas (thugs). They wouldn’t pay for what they had bought from the vendors. On stations they would chant anti-Muslim rhymes and slogans, insulting Muslim Holy places. There was teasing as well of both fellow passengers and women on the platforms.” This fact-finding delegation, comprised of Rajbabbar (M.P. Samajwadi), Shabana Azmi (M.P.) and Aziz Burni (Editor of a leading Urdu news paper, Rashtriya Sahara), was one of the first groups to arrive in the strife-torn area. They visited the hospital and there they found these two victims (from a Hindu family) of the Godhra incident.

    Muslims in the area add another point to this sad story. They say things got out of hand when the daughter of an old Muslim man with a small tea stall at the train station was kidnapped. The Hindu militants argued with this old man, beat him up and pulled his beard. The 16-year-old daughter who was also present at the station came forward as her father was being beaten and tried to save him from the Hindu militants. She kept pleading and begging to them to stop beating her father and leave him alone. But instead of listening to her woes, the Hindu militants lifted the young girl, took her inside their compartment and closed its door.

    When the train started to move out of the platform of Godhra’s railway station while the old man was banging on the compartment doors, pleading for his daughter to be left alone, two other vendors jumped into the last bogey and pulled the emergency break to stop the train. By the time the train halted completely, it was about one kilometer away from the railway station.

    These two men then came to the bogey in which the girl was and started to bang at the door asking the militants to release the girl. Hearing the chaos, people in the vicinity near the tracks started to gather near the train. The boys and the mob (which included women) that had now gathered near the compartment requested the Hindu militants to return the girl. But instead of doing this, they started closing their windows. This infuriated the mob and they retaliated by pelting stones at the compartment.

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    Ajinkya AUSTRALIA Says:

    @Abdul- dear brother- all that you mentioned is UTTER FABRICATION. There is NOT AN IOTA of evidence for all this. The so-called ‘fact finding mission’ that you have quoted consisted of anti-Hindu fanatics who have no credibility. You are insulting the dead karsewaks by making such false on the dead- who are not even alive to refute those character assassinating charges.
    This was all fabricated in a FAKE eMAIL falsely attributed to a PTI journalist- who denied ever having written anything like this- and said that he had infact written EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what the fake mail claims.
    The Karsewaks consisted of 25 women and 15 children- these people will never do anything like this. There was a girl named Sophia who they accused of being abducted- but when Justice Nanavati questioned her- it became crystal clear that there was no abduction, she was tutored by some people to falsely claim so.
    You have not stated how in 5 minutes 2000 Muslims could have gathered at Godhra in Signal Falia having got petrol bombs and acid bombs. The karsewaks DID NOTHING OBJECTIONABLE AT ALL IN THE JOURNEY- INSULTING THE DEAD MARTYRED KARSEWAKS will result in more sins.
    By the way- an article which is a must read is given below:
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/16270/LATEST%20HEADLINES/Godhra+carnage+a+conspiracy:+Nanavati+report.html
    Anyways- I am appaled that people can believe such nonsense spread against dead people. The truth is- Ehsan Jafri signed his own death warrant by firing on the Hindu crowd- (which was an indication of his communalism-though he fired in self-defence- his act drove the crowd mad) but we never blame Jafri for signing his death warrant as it insults the dead.

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    Abdul Says:

    @Ajinkya: dear brother – If you are asking me to believe in Modi and his government, then sorry I cannot trust those LIARS. They have buried the truth under layers of lies, obfuscation and fabricated evidence, layers almost too dense to penetrate. The Gujarat police prepared 18 chargesheets — one main and 17 supplementary — on the Godhra incident and thousands of pages of fictionalised narration, a deadly concoction of fake eyewitness accounts and coerced and bribed testimonies. Yes, all of this was done to hide the truth of what really happened. I know how muslims of villages react. If you kidnap a muslim girl, infront of his father near the station you will definitely face retaliation from the villagers. No newspaper reported the fact why the train was stopped. Muslims don’t just go around attacking trains with stones. There is a very strong reason why it happened. Don’t think that you can fool everyone in the world.

    The Nanavati Commission Report is based on untenable theories and statements of bribed witnesses. In a painstaking investigation, Tehelka rebuts the report and uncovers the deliberate and malicious subversion of the truth by the govt.

    After the new forensic evidence was made public, state Congress Party leaders alleged that the incident “could have been motivated by the ruling BJP and the VHP to raise communal passions.”

    “These people (BJP-VHP) are capable of burning their own innocent Hindus and getting votes in the name of religion. This is not a new thing and the coming days could prove that the BJP and VHP masterminded the Godhra massacre,” said Shankarsinh Vaghela, senior Congress leader and former Chief Minister.

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    Ajinkya AUSTRALIA Says:

    well- I am not going to argue any further. Only one point I will say is that Nanavati Commission was appointed by the Supreme Court’s choice of judges- not Narendra Modi’s. As for Tehelka sting operation- this site has a great report on it.
    If you trust statements of Congress leaders like Vaghela- (if VHP torched the train in Godhra- then wheres the question of Muslims being infuriated due to kidnapping of girl? And if girl was kidnapped which resulted in Muslims roasting to death 25 women and 15 children and 19 men- then how can VHP torch the train as alleged by Vaghela?)
    then I can say nothing.
    Only one thing- also look at the testimony of a 16 year old girl Gayatri Panchal who saw her parents being roasted in front of her eyes- even 13 year old Gyanprakash. And if Muslims were enraged due to kidnapping of a girl- I wonder how 2,000 of them can assemble at 8 AM in the morning in 5 minutes having already managed to secure petrol bombs and acid bombs. The train stopped at Godhra at 7:42 and left at 7:47. I wonder how 2,000 can gather and surround the train FROM BOTH SIDES to prevent karsewaks from running away. If at all there was any such provocation and confrantation and crowd assembling- the Karsewaks would have ran away from the other side of the train at the slightest thought of an attack.
    Anyways- I cannot force you to change your beliefs. If you still believe that a girl was kidnapped by the karsewaks (25 women and 15 children kidnapped a girl)I cannot say anything.

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    Abdul Says:

    @Ajinkya: You have grave misconceptions about the Godhra train incident. And you are falsely alleging that the number of muslims who assembled outside the train was 2000. Someone says 1000, someone says 1500, someone says 500. In fact, these numbers were being reported by the passengers of the train. They were speaking metaphorically as obviously nobody can count the number of people attacking from outside. They just wanted to say that there was a huge crowd. Your Modi govt bribed false witness because they wanted to prove that it was a pre-planned attack by hook or by crook.

    Read the Tehelka Report about the Nanavati commission:

    http://www.tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=Ne111008coverstory.asp

    COMMISSION TAKES BRIBED PETROL PUMP ATTENDANTS AT FACE VALUE
    The Nanavati Commission has relied heavily on the statements made by Ranjitsinh Patel and Prabhatsinh Patel before the Investigating Officer, Deputy SP Noel Parmar, to reach the conclusion that the train fire was the result of premeditated criminal conspiracy. While considering their statements, the commission has also bought the explanation the two offered for why they did not reveal the sale of the petrol in their first statements recorded on April 10, 2002, in which they denied having sold loose petrol between 6 pm of February 26, 2002, and 10 am on February 27, 2002, the time of the shift they were on at the pump. Six months later, before Parmar, the two attendants not only made the sensational claim of having sold 140 liters of loose petrol to the accused, they also claimed that the reason they had said nothing about it before was that they had never been asked about the night of February 26. Now that that evening had been brought into question, they had found it possible to be more forthcoming. This explanation the commission buys, saying in its report, ‘Both these witnesses have explained in their statements why they had earlier told the police that they had not given loose petrol to anyone in a carboy on 26.2.2002.

    The same commission refused to accept Sophia Bano Shaikh’s statement about the abduction attempt made on her, despite the fact that she and her family have been consistent in their statements, unlike the two Patels. Worse, one of them is on camera confessing to having been bribed to support the police case.

    The commission, though, was quick to requisition the TEHELKA tape on which Ranjitsingh Patel was recorded talking about being paid Rs 50,000 by Parmar for identifying the people he had not sold petrol to, as the accused. Justice Nanavati took no action and made no effort to ascertain the veracity of the tapes and the revelations therein, the revelations which demolished the premise on which the police case rests and on which the commission has based its conclusion that Maulvi Umarji and others hatched a conspiracy to burn the train.

    Shame on the LIARS of the so-called Indian democracy system of govt.

    This is not something new, the Indian politicians have a big history of such crimes. They use the name of religion for their personal gains and selfish motives, whether women are being raped or children are cut into pieces. The ultimate loosers are the common masses whether hindus or muslims.

    Dear Fellow Indians,

    When will you realize who is the real enemy of India? How much bloodshed do you want to see? Why are you still sleeping?

    Wake up dear Indians! Wake up!!!

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    Ramesh Mantri AUSTRALIA Says:

    Well Mr Abdul- if you read this chapter “Tehelka Lies” of this site you will know that TEHELKA has no aim to BRING OUT THE TRUTH- its only aim is to TARGET MODI, BJP and SANGH PARIVAR, HINDUS and defend the indefensible act of Godhra. Shall I list Tehelka’s crimes?
    1- Babu Bajrangi said- “FIR says I cut open womb of a pregnant woman. I did not do so.”
    When he was saying so- TEHELKA LIED THAT “BAJRANGI CONFESSES TO DOING SO- AND BOASTS DOING IT”. This is a serious crime for which Tehelka can be prosecuted.
    Also- the post-mortem report of Dr Kanoria has said that the womb was intact. Even if Bajrangi had boasted that he actually cut it open- Tehelka should have cross checked the facts- instead of claiming “Irrefutable proof” and making such a serious charge against Bajrangi.
    2- Bajrangi and Suresh Richard claimed that Modi visited Naroda Patiya on 28 Feb. The official record show that he DID NOT VISIT that day. Instead of cross checking- TEHELKA LIED AND ACCUSED MODI OF VISITING PATIYA AND PATTING THE BACK OF RIOTERS. Another serious charge.
    These are only 2 of many guilts of Tehelka. What credibility does a report by such a weekly have?

    Now on Godhra. Tehelka claimed that Modi labelled as a “Pre planned act of terrorism by one community against another”. This is also false. Modi never named any community. See the actual report: http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/2002/02/28/stories/2002022803070100.htm He did not even say it was a pre-planned act. He simply said- “Seems to be a pre-planned act” and NEVER SAID BY A COMMUNITY. Tehelka lies exposed.

    Noel Parmar is a CHRISTIAN. He was accused of being anti-Sangh Parivar- and yet he has been labelled anti-Muslim by Tehelka.

    TEHELKA LABELS KARSEWAKS TESTIMONIES AS “UNRELIABLE” and karsewaks as “Biased”. 16 year old Gayatri Panchal’s testimony has been COMPLETELY IGNORED BY TEHELKA.

    The investigation into the case was led by DIG Rakesh Asthana, now IG and Vadodara Police Commissioner, and conducted by Dy SP Noel Parmar, a Christian officer known for his efficiency.

    In fact when Parmar was appointed as investigation officer of the case, many in the Sangh Parivar complained to the government saying that he was a Christian and could play mischief under pressure of the minority lobby. However, the government didn’t change him inspite of such towering pressure.

    Both Asthana and Parmar are known as upright and efficient officers and unlikely to toe a purely political line.

    As for bribes being paid to petrol pump wallas of Rs 50,000 – this has NO VALUE at all, because the sting operation was held from point of view of a man writing a book on the Hindutva point of view- and recording was done secretly- so these people may have said lies. What is more likely- TEHELKA ITSELF MAY HAVE PAID rs 50,000 to them to falsely claim that they were paid 50,000/-

    Another Tehelka lie- no non-karsewak witness saw petrol or kerosene thrown. What rubbish. This is a must read report.
    http://archives.digitaltoday.in/indiatoday/20020722/states2.html
    Vijay Sharma, one of the firemen, says haji Bilal had called the fire brigade on the night of February 26 and asked for the names of the firemen who would be on duty the next morning. Coincidentally, that same evening a water tanker attached to the fire station and a fire tender both developed serious engine snags. It would, of course, be naive to think that conspirators depend on coincidences to accomplish their deadly missions. Was this fireman also a VHP man?
    TEHeLKA HAS NO CREdIBILITY. Mr Abdul- I will also tell you why Muslims will kill without girl abduction. Because that is what they have done from AD 636 in India when Arabs attacked Thane- and in Godhra they have attacked Hindus since 1927- in 1927, 1946, 1948, 1965, 1980, 1990, and 1992. 4 Hindu teachers including 2 women teachers were cut into pieces in front of kids in November 1990 in Godhra. They did so because they follow the following teachings of the Quran:
    1- “Slay them wherever ye find them” (Quran 2:191)
    2- When the sacred months are passed- slay the idolators wherever ye find the, take them captive, beseige them, seize them, ambush them.”(Quran 9:5)
    3- We will strike terror in the hearts of the disbelievers (3:151)
    and hundreds of such passages which promote violence- not for self-defence- but for offence.

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    Ajinkya AUSTRALIA Says:

    Good to see this Ramesh taking over.
    Only one answer from me- 2,000 is the number of Muslims as given by Vir Sanghvi- an extremely anti-BJP man in his article “One way ticket” in Hindustan Times. It is also the number given by the Justice Tewatia Committee headed by former Punjab and Haryana High Court Chief Justice D S Tewatia- so it is certainly not a number invented by me. The Tewatia Committe says that the number of Muslims initially was around 1,000 and then it swelled to 2,000. Also- I remember the report of Aaj Tak TV channel on 27 Feb 2002 saying- “Looking at the number of stones thrown- they must have been 1500-2000 people”.
    Bye from me now.

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    Abdul SAUDI ARABIA Says:

    @Ramesh and Ajinkya: Both of you have a serious problem of associating a religion with terrorism. Mr Ramesh quoted three verses, but he quoted half of the verse by distorting its real context. This is not the first time someone quoted the Quran out of context, it is happening since centuries. You can play those childish games with any religion in the world. It is very easy to quote the statements of any religious scripture out of context or to distort the meanings.

    Listen to all the 13 parts of this lecture; Jihad and Terrorism – An Islamic perspective in this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnTmrSRoGis

    You dont have the guts to approach any islamic scholar for a LIVE debate infront of the audience. As obviously, you are afraid that your lack of knowledge will be exposed. Shame on your misinterpretations of Quran.

    I repeat it again – Killing the innocents is very big SIN in Islam. Even if fighting is commanded in SELF DEFENSE, there are clear instructions not the harm the women and children. If someone does not follow Islam its the problem of the person, NOT the religion. There are blacksheeps in every community. We have the bad people in every religion in the world.

    And for the sake of argument if we agree that a muslim mob attacked and burned the train to kill innocents, does that give you the license to commit gang rapes and brutal genocide. If you want justice, then Catch the culprits, dont let the innocents pay for the price of others.

    @Ajinkya: Lets say tomorrow, someone kidnapped your sister, or daughter or wife, took her to a room and locked the doors and windows infront of you. What will be your REACTION? It is but natural to take immediate action and call everybody near the vicinity to help you take suitable action asap. The same thing happened in the godhra train incident. What else could the villagers do besides throwing stones on that compartment where the muslim girl was abducted and doors/windows were closed.

    Moreover, the train was scheduled to arrive @ 2:55am and we know that it was delayed. If you claim that it was a pre-planned attack, did the pre-planned attackers hatch the conspiracy days in advance or only after they came to know that the train was late? In addition to that, why didnt they attack the other trains that were arriving from ayodhya, why only one train? Why only on the compartment where the muslim girl was locked?

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    Deepak Says:

    Ask these slaves of MODI, did muslims kill HARAIN PANDYA who testified that MODI held a meeting on the night of godhra accident to order senior police officials not to interfere in backslash??

    Who killed HARAIN PANDYA?? Why did no one kill TAGODIA aur others like him??

    Muslims have fanatics among them and so do we hindus… tell me something you slaves.. you back bjp GOVT for not being involved in rights… it is actually not just about BJP or congress.

    When you say CONGRESS WAS RESPONSIBLE for 1984, tell me were the congress men HINDU OR MUSLIM???

    Jagdish tytler, sajjan kumar, lalit maken, arjan daas… are these killers of 84 hindus or not??

    Hindus are such a patient religion, then what happened in 84??? 92?? 2002?? 2006?? NO MATTER WHAT GOVERNMENT YOU NAME, criminals and killers were hindus in all these cases and accept this fact that VHP AND RSS AND BAJRANG DAL are same low life criminals as are JEM, LET and so on…

    you guys should just die of shame for even putting up a face to have so called “debate” on the “challenge” of this website…

    There is no challenge presented when these hindu fanatics raped and killed humanity in name of revenge or anger..

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    Ramesh Mantri AUSTRALIA Says:

    Who is afraid of debating?
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

    Zakir Naik is hiding in his rathole and not debating with Dr Ali Sina.
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaik.htm
    These liers like Teesta Setalvad, Prannoy Roy, Rajdeep Sardesai were invited for debate- they are shying away- not coming out.

    If the passages are quoted -”Out of context” I wonder how so many passages in the Quran warn of “horrible doom” to disbelievers- what is the context for that?
    You are so obssessed with -”Kidnapping of a girl” that you do not even condemn the brutal roasting of 59 people in Godhra- 25 women and 15 children- and seem to think that these 25 women and 15 children kidnapped a girl. Also- the girl Sophia Sheikh was not kidnapped at all- her tales had many loopholes as mentioned by Justice Nanavati Commission report and she simply parroted what was told to her days after Godhra.
    By the way- you are justifying Godhra roasting of 25 women 15 children and 19 men because of an alleged kidnapping. If kidnapping can justify roasting of Hindus, then roasting of Hindus should justify killing of Muslims in the post-Godhra riots.

    As for Islam- you can always accuse us of quoting things “Out of context”- but why dont you tell us the right context?
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm

    Quran says- “These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”" (22:19-22)

    So cruel is this punishment- how can you justify this passage and quote any context?
    8:12- smiting of necks, cutting fingertips- how cruel is this?

    As for Deepak- you should know that Dr Togadia has Z+ security. And as for that meeting on 27 Feb night- read the article “Chronology of a crisis” by India Today 18 March 2002. Modi ordered firm steps to be taken to control tense situation that night. He ordered 827 preventive arrests the same day, deployed Rapid Action Force, Centre sent CRPF, Modi personally appealed people to maintain peace the next day, gave shoot-at-sight orders in Godhra- aimed at Hindus who could have retaliated, curfew in Godhra and sensitive places.
    As for GODHRA, Muslims falsely spread rumours of kidnapping of a girl. Muslims believe Hindus are fools- worshipping lifeless idols, mud, statues which angers the JEALOUS GOD- and the JEALOUS GOD will throw all idolators into Hell. Muslims consider it their duty to convert idolators to Islam.

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    Ramesh Mantri AUSTRALIA Says:

    And as for Haren Pandya’s murder:
    http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/25pandya.htm

    He was also alleged to have been involved in the riots- so Muslims killed him. THE COURTS HAVE DECLARED MUSLIMS GUILTY IN THE CASE- but Deepak will not believe it. Those who want to plant stories against Modi will continue to do so. As for that mneeting on 27 Feb- I have already told the steps taken by Modi to control the violence. By the way- police shot dead 10 Hindus in Ahmedabad on 28 feb, 24 Hindus on 1 March. Police far from turning a blind eye to rioting- saved thousands of Muslims in Sanjeli Bodeli and Viramgam. And as for Pandya speaking against Modi- it was due to his personal grudges against Modi. He spoke out months after the riots and the meeting on 27 Feb. If what he said was true- why did he not say so soon after the meeting? Also Deepak will believe a BJP man for once- even if he was Gujarat’s Home Minister- just because he spoke against Modi.

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    Abdul SAUDI ARABIA Says:

    Mr Ramesh, in order to punish someone, in the court of law substantial evidence is required. Where is the evidence to prove that muslims burned the train? Forensic experts have stated that the fire started from inside the train, not from outside. And it is very apparent to know who was inside the train to start the fire. The kidnapped girl was yelling and shouting for help, so the muslim villagers reacted with stones, not with fire. Dont act like a kid to keep on repeating that there were 25 women and 15 children and they could not kidnap anyone. Your own karsevaks were responsible for the train burning, not the women or children. Compartment no S-6 two other compartment of the Sabarmati Express was carrying the kar sevaks of the V.H.P. And it was due to these kar kevaks from Compartment no S-6 that the incident occurred.

    If you have read my previous message, it is crystal clear that ISLAM condemns killing innocents. Muslims only attack in self defense, for example when you kidnap their daughters infront of them, you will face retaliation. In the same manner, at first they asked those karsevaks to leave the girl, but instead of returning back the girl, those V.H.P cowards just shut the doors and windows of the compartment. Even though the shameless cowards of V.H.P. committed such a crime of kidnapping a girl, we muslims as a whole CONDEMN burning the train which resulted in the death of innocent people.

    Dont think that your bribed and false testimonies of the Nanavati commission can fool every tom, dick and harry.

    Moreover, THE GUJARAT FORENSIC Laboratory report was filed on May 17, 2002. It concluded several things:

    • THERE WERE ENOUGH high impact marks on the side of the train to uphold eyewitness and survivors accounts of intense stone pelting.

    • CONTRARY TO THE theories floating around till then, coach S-6 could not have been burnt by inflammable liquid thrown through the window or the door.

    • THERE WAS NO sign of corrosive fluid, like acid, in the fire (contrary to what several karsevaks had claimed).

    • SEVERAL SAMPLES WERE collected from both outside and inside the coach on February 27 and 28, 2002, respectively. DB Talati, Assistant Director, FSL, reported traces of petro-hydrocarbons in 25 of these samples, while 20 samples had no such trace.

    • SIGNIFICANTLY, IN HIS report dated April 26, 2002, Talati stated that he could not say whether the petrol traces in the 25 samples matched the petrol sample from Kalabhai’s petrol pump (from where the conspirators allegedly bought their petrol). Further, a huge sample —370 kgs — taken from S-6 on May 1, 2002, yielded no trace of petrol.

    • HAVING DEMOLISHED EXISTING theories on the cause of fire, the forensic team curiously deci ded to conduct an experiment through which they claimed to prove that the fire had been set off by a huge quantity of INFLAMMABLE LIQUID poured along the FLOOR of coach S-6. This conclusion set the police and party machinery off in a new direction.

    Dr Zakir Naik replied to the anonymous Ali Sina to have a debate on stage infront of public but this person refused. Why does’nt he approach the IRF in Mumbai face-to-face? Indeed, the best forms of dialogues cannot be done on the internet, you have to be present on stage addressing an audience of more than 1000 at least. No wonder, your spiritual guru – Sri Sri Ravi Shankar was badly defeated.

    The anonymous Ali Sina – a coward (who keeps hiding so that people cannot see him), is already refuted dozens of times. One of the refutations is shown in this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/true_face_of_ali_sina_1.htm

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    Abdul SAUDI ARABIA Says:

    @Ramesh:

    Do you know why every country keeps the Police ? It is to catch criminals and fight against them right? Thats the same thing what the quran says – Fight against EVIL DOERS in SELF DEFENSE.

    So let me play your favorite game – Quoting a religious scripture OUT-OF-CONTEXT.

    Fighting prescribed in the Hindu scripture Bhagavad Gita as follows:

    a. All the major religions of the world have prescribed fighting, at sometime or the other, especially in self-defence or for fighting against oppression.

    Mahabharata is an epic and sacred Scripture of the Hindus, which mainly deals with a fight between the cousins, the Pandavas and the Kauravas. In the battlefield Arjun prefers not to fight and be killed rather than having his conscience burdened with the killing of his relatives. At this moment, Krishna advises Arjun in the battlefield and this advice is contained in the Bhagvad Gita. There are several verses in the Bhagvad Gita where Krishna advises Arjun to fight and kill the enemies even though they are his relatives.

    b. It is mentioned in
    The Bhagvad Gita Chapter 1 verse 43-46

    (43) O Krishna, maintainer of the people, I have heard by disciplic succession that those who destroy family traditions dwell always in hell”

    (44) “Alas, how strange it is that we are preparing ourselves to commit great sinful acts, driven by the desire to enjoy royal happiness.”

    (45) I would consider better for the sons of Dhritarashtra to kill me unarmed and unresisting rather than fight with them.

    (46) “Arjuna, having thus spoken, cast aside his bow and arrow, and sat down on the chariot, his mind, overwhelmed with grief”.

    c. Krishna further replies in
    Bhagvad Gita Chapter 2 Verse 2, 3

    2. “My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the progressive values of life. They lead not to higher planets but to infamy.

    2. “O son of Partha, do not yield to this degrading impotence. It does not become you. Give up such petty weakness of heart and arise, O chastiser of the enemy!”

    When Arjuna prefers to be killed unarmed and unresisting rather than fight and kill his cousins Kauravas, Krishna replies to Arjun by saying how this impure thought has come to you which prevents you from entering heaven. Give up this degrading Impotence and weakness of heart and arise, O defeater of enemy.

    d. Krishna further says in
    Bhagvad Gita Chapter 2 verse 31-33

    31. “Considering your specific duty as a Kshatriya, you should know that there is no better engagement for you than fighting on religious principles, so there is no need for hesitation.”

    32. “O Partha, happy are the Kshatriya to whom such fighting opportunities come unsought, opening for them the door of the heavenly planets”.

    33. “If however, you do not fight this religious war, then you will certainly incur sin, for neglecting your duties, and thus loose your reputation as a fighter”.

    e. There are hundreds of verses in the Bhagvad Gita alone, which encourages fighting and killing, many times more as compared to such verses in the Qur’an.

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    Abdul SAUDI ARABIA Says:

    @All Indians: One of the Biggest Lies published in this website is to say that – Narendra Modi is an innocent man. The title of this website says – ‘Gujarat Riots – The True Story’, this is again a LIE because the title must be – ‘Gujarat Riots Story – Prepared by the Slaves of Modi’

    And please read the answers from Vithabhai Pandya (father of Haren Pandya) below. He was interviewed by a person named Yoginder Sikand (Professor at the Centre for Jawahar Lal Nehru Studies) to uncover the truth of Modi.

    The Truth of Haren Pandya case:

    79-year old Vithalbhai Pandya is the father of the slain former Gujarat Home Minister, Haren Pandya. In this interview with Yoginder Sikand he talks about his struggle against Gujarat’s Chief Minister Narendra Modi, who, he believes, was the man behind his son’s
    murder three years ago. He also reflects on the anti-Muslim carnage of 2002 in Gujarat and the dangerous rise of Hindutva fascism, which he sees as a sin against Hinduism.

    Interview of Vithalbhai Pandya by Yoginder Sikand

    Q: If, as you say, Modi was responsible for your son’s death, how do you think he should be dealt with?

    A: Modi, as is well known, has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Muslims in Gujarat. I also believe that he was responsible for the murder of my son. In that case, shouldn’t he be
    punished in the same way as those who are sentenced for murder? What Modi has done, being responsible for the murder of more than 3000 people, is an enormous sin in the eyes of God. Justice demands that he should meet the same fate that he has meted out to the thousands of people who have lost their lives. But that has not happened. The law has not been allowed to take its course. The thousands of Muslims whose relatives were killed in the carnage and I as well, as
    Haren’s father, have been deliberately denied justice and Modi continues to rule as the Chief Minister of Gujarat. What sort of democracy is this? If Modi’s fascist dictatorship remains unchecked and if he goes unpunished, I fear the cancer that he is breeding will spread all over India. Modi is worse than mass murderers like Hitler and Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia. His government should have been dismissed long time ago if we are serious about democracy and
    justice. If I had my way, I would have sought international summons issued against him for his crimes against humanity.

    Modi claims to be a protector of Hinduism but all this is just a trick. He curries favour with Hindu religious leaders to get Hindu votes, but he has no real faith in God his heart. A decade ago, the
    well-known scholar Ashish Nandy met Modi when the latter was an RSS-pracharak. Nandy then wrote an article in the ‘Seminar’ journal describing Modi as ‘a textbook case of a fascist and a prospective killer, perhaps even a future mass murderer’. And that is a fact. Last year I sent a letter to the President of India, Abul Kalam, in which I quoted Modi as declaring that ‘Every Muslim of this country is a traitor and expected terrorist’. I asked the President what he, as a Muslim, had to say about this. I urged him to take stiff action against Modi for this inhuman and anti-national statement and for the genocide of Muslims that he had engineered. But no action has been taken. Such is the state of this so-called ‘democratic’ country that claims to be the largest ‘democracy’ in the world.

    Q: Whom do you hold responsible for Haren Pandya’s death?

    A:. I am convinced and have reason to believe that Narendra Modi, whom I call a psychic mass killer, was the person behind Haren’s death. Haren, my only son, was found dead in Ahmedabad on 26 March 2003. He was just 42 when he was killed. From day one I have been
    insisting that Haren was murdered on the orders of Modi and that is was a politically motivated crime arranged at Modi’s behest. The CBI investigation into his murder is, I have been repeatedly alleging but to no avail, not being conducted in a transparent manner,
    free from political interference. My appeals about this continue to go unheeded. A fair investigation can only happen when Modi is removed from the office of Chief Minister, which he continues to occupy even three years after launching a deadly carnage that took
    the lives of more than 3000 innocent Muslims. As in Haren’s murder case, justice remains a far cry for the Muslim victims of the genocide.

    Q: Some people claim that Haren Pandya was killed by
    some Muslim youth. What do you feel?

    A: The claim that the instigators of my son’s death were some Muslim youth from Hyderabad is, I believe, completely false. It is a sly way of denying Modi’s hand in the affair and to shift the blame onto hapless Muslims and to spread anti-Muslim hatred. The case of my son’s death should be carried out in public because the public has the right to know the truth. But, the inquiry is being conducted in camera, and I think this is simply in order to save Modi’s skin. Haren was a victim of Modi’s political intrigue and innocent Muslims should not be arrested, harassed or blamed, as they have been, for his killing.

    Q: If, as you claim, Modi was behind Haren’s death, why do you think he wanted him out of his way?

    A: Modi saw Haren as a major challenge to his authority and viewed him as his main political rival. He may have felt that by doing away with Haren he could silence all other rivals, within and without the
    BJP, because they would be too scared to speak out against him. There was growing dissatisfaction in BJP ranks in Gujarat with Modi and so the message that was probably sought to be sent out was that those who dared to speak out against Modi would meet the same
    fate. Modi detested Haren for his uprightness. When Haren was the state revenue Minister he took stern action against land-sharks, including some of Modi’s cronies, who had illegally acquired properties worth crores of rupees and this Modi could not stomach.

    Another factor behind Haren’s killing, I believe, was his clear-cut moral position on the murder of thousands of Muslims following the burning of the train carriage in Godhra on 27 February 2002. Haren
    believed that the Godhra incident should be limited to Godhra alone and should not be used, as Modi did, to spread murder all over Gujarat. He was opposed to Modi’s use of the Godhra incident to launch an anti-Muslim genocide and to garner Hindu votes. He was
    vehemently opposed to Modi’s fascist agenda. He told me, in great anguish, that he heard of a confidential meeting apparently held by Modi and attended by some ministers, senior bureaucrats and police officers on 27 February 2002, in which, he said, Modi instructed
    police officials to remain inactive in the face of the anti-Muslim carnage that was launched with active state connivance the next day. Haren very specifically mentioned before the Iyer Commission that Modi had set off this anti-Muslim genocide. Modi did not like
    Haren’s opposition to the genocide. Haren told me that Modi asked him to apologise but he refused to. This further added to Modi’s hatred for Haren and made him, I believe, conspire to have him killed.

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    Deepak Says:

    Ramesh Mantri,

    You cleverly shift the right debate to biased and fabricated arguments. Point in PANDYA’S murder is, DID HE, OR DID HE NOT, GIVE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE MEETING THAT MODI CALLED ON THE NIGHT OF FEB 27TH? DID HE, OR DID HE NOT CONFESS THAT MODI TOOK SENIOR POLICE OFFICIALS IN CONFIDENCE ABOUT NOT TAKING ACTION AGAINST HINDU MOBS??

    The real point is not about who killed PANDYA, the point is how come he was killed just days after he made that statement?? If I was a muslim, I would rather protect this man so he could frame modi?? no??

    The point is, why DID HE GIVE THOSE STATEMENTS?? BEING A “HINDU”??

    First Indian kings and mughals have us like slave, then Britishers have us like slaves, and now EXTREMIST AND CORRUPT POLITICIANS have us like slave. So what that you live abroad, you still love to be a slave blind folded just because you think your religion is in danger… Dumb fool, if you want to protect hinduism, then leave foreign land, join the army and take a BULLET in your chest.

    JAI HIND

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    Ramesh Mantri AUSTRALIA Says:

    @Abdul
    You Muslims who worship a rapist of a man who raped the prettiest women he captured in war-like the Jewish Safiyah after killing her father and husband as a “prophet” of God will believe all rubbish- such as the ludicrous claim that Sri Sri Ravi Shankar was ‘badly defeated.’ You will also believe nonsense that Muhammad split the moon, walked upto Allah etc You will also believe that Ali Sina is not accepting the debate with Zakir Naik- hiding the fact that ALI SINA HAS PROMISED TO COME TO MUMBAI IN A LIVE DEBATE IF DR ZAKIR NAIK FIRST DEFEATS HIM IN A WRITTEN ONE. This simple question you Muslims cannot answer is- “WHAT CAN ZAKIR NAIK SAY IN A TV DEBATE LIVE THAT HE CANNOT SAY IN WRITING?” Zakir Naik the bluffmaster has long lost all credibility- only SLAVES OF RAPIST MUHAMMAD, like you (DEEPAK-slave of Pakistan and Bangladesh- and Islam). To know how hollow Zakir Naik is- just look at his stupid answer on youtube to the question “WHO CREATED GOD?”
    WHO CREATED THIS ALL POWERFUL ALLAH? And why didnt this Allah reveal how he came into existence in any of His Revealations- such as Old Testmanent or Quran?

    As for Godhra- you quoted selected parts of the forensic lab report. Of course the height of the train was too high to throw petrol from outside because it was burnt AT SIGNAL FALIA not platform. This doesnt mean that Muslims did not do it.
    By the way- this TEHELKA magazine has also admitted that MUSLIMS ROASTED THE TRAIN- only it tried to give provocation as kidnapping of a girl etc and call it a ‘spontaneous
    act’. They forgot to tell-
    1- If Godhra was planned- it was worse than 9/11
    2- If it was spontaneous, it was EVEN WORSE

    Mr Abdul- once you say that VHP torched the train- at the other place you say that “What can ‘villagers’ (who were actually town people)be expected to do when their daughter is kidnapped”? (that is you admit that Muslims did it- but whats wrong? After all the girl was kidnapped)

    Actually- there is no point in talking to you people. By the way- you SLAVE OF RAPIST PEDOPHILE WOMANIZER MUHAMMAD what is your evidence that VHP TORCHED THE TRAIN? NOT EVEN YOUR ISI-PAID TEHELKA HAS ACCUSED VHP OF TORCHING THE TRAIN.

    As for VITTHAL PANDYA- the old man seems to have lost his balance and his anger against NARENDRA MODI for not giving Haren Pandya a ticket has led him to speak out- or maybe some liers like Deepak, you and Tehelka and Congress have PAID VITTHAL PANDYA to speak against Modi.

    By the way- holding Modi “GUILTY” even after MUSLIMS have been CONVICTED is CONTEMPT OF COURT and DEFAMATION.

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    Ramesh Mantri AUSTRALIA Says:

    @Abdul-
    THESE VERSES IF THE BHAGWAD GEETA ARE ONLY FOR FIGHTING KAURAVAS who were evil people. They had Duryodhan who misbehaved withDraupadi and tried to disrobe her. Arjuna was SHYING FROMHIS DUTY as a warrior to fight EVIL- and all these quotaions from Geeta are merely to inspire ARJUN to FIGHT EVIL PEOPLE LIKE KAURAVAS.
    As for the Quranic passages- you first answer what is “out of context” in this passage- by reading the debate below:
    http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/Challenge-to-Close-Islam-watch-Debate-on-Sword-Verse.htm

    You outrageous claim that GEETA CONTAINS MORE VIOLENCE than Quran is rubbish. Geeta only talks of self-defence- and that too against evil people. ISLAM CLASSIFIES HUMANS as 2 people:
    1- BELIEVERS (MUSLIMS) WHO BELONG TO GOD
    2- NON-BELIEVERS WHO WIL GO TO HELL.

    Nowhere in the Geeta does Krishna advocated the punishment that is promised to non-Muslims in 22:19-22 in Quran- viz- boiling water onheads, roasting bodies, inserting hooked iron rods.
    NOW ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTION-
    Chapter 3 Verse 151 of the Quran (Striking terror in hearts of disbelievers) what is the context and meaning of this?
    Chapter 22 Verses 19-22- what is the context and meaning of this?

    THIS WEBSITE IS 100 % right. This website is NOT ABOUT QURAN, VITTHAL PANDYA or HAREN PANDYA. Let us- for argument’s sake assume that karsewaks had indeed kidnapped a girl. That doesnt mean Muslims have a right to kill 25 women and 15 children. What was the fault of these 25 women and 15 children? As as for this site- on the issue of the post-Godhra riots- if you can refute a single argument in a scholarly manner- NOT IN YOUR LIER ISLAMIC MANNER (ALLEGING KIDNAPPING OF A GIRL whose story had several loopholes- the site will make changes accordingly.
    I am waiting for you to tell me the CONTEXT of 9:5, 3:151, 22:19-22. This page answeingchristianity given by you is a most pathetic attempt to refute Ali Sina. A much better refutation was attempted by scholars Ghamidi and his disciple from Pakistan. For dealing with a man as scholarly and wise as ALI SINA you Muslims need beter than these bunch of amateurish debators- and more men like Ghamidi. This Ali Sina exposed linkis one the most pathetic attempts- what about his dozen charges against Muhammad quoting Quran, and Hadith?
    In any case- YOU MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT IDOLATOTS ARE FOOLS, WORSHIPING GOD IN THE FORM OF AN IDOL is equal to worshipping someone else other than God- and the JEALOUS GOD will throw us all in Hell for worshipping MUD, STONEs, STATUES instead of idols.Quran chapter 4 Verse 48 says:
    “Allah forgives everything- but not setting partners upon him”. So a Muslim murderer can be forgiven, but Mahatma Gandhi will burn in Hell forever- because he was a polytheist according to Islam.
    And of course- ISLAM IS FALSE- because there are HUNDREDS of CONTRADTCTIONS, ABSUDITIES, HISTORICAL BLUNDERS in the Quran.
    If indeed God is jealous and punishes the false religion followrs, Muslims will be the first to go to Hell- for worshipping a man like Muhammad as a Prophet and sticking to Islam despite knowing the HUNDREDS of contradictions in the QURAN. Read 32:5 and 70:4 to know one such contradiction.

    Also- Hindus have not killed crores of Muslims, carried out terrorist attacks worldwide like 9/11 and more than 12,000 after that worldwide or imposed JIZYAH TAX.

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    Ramesh Mantri AUSTRALIA Says:

    And as for you Deepak- (SLAVE OF ISLAM and USA) HAREN PANDYA ACCUSED MODI OF giving instructions to police to be inactive MONTHS AFTER THE MEETING- AFTER HE HIMSELF FELL OUT WITH MODI.
    You have to judge what Modi did not by what one disgruntled man said- but by WHAT GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY DID- POLICE FIRED 1,000 on the first day and killed 10 Hindus in Ahmedabad, 2 outside Ahmedabad. Police saved thousands of Muslims in Sanjeli, Bodeli and Viramgam. And of course VITTHAL PANDYA has no credibility- he has called the riots a ‘genocide of Muslims’ and “thousands of Muslims were killed” when the fact is that there was no genocide and 790 Muslims were killed. Pandya also quoted Modi as saying- “Every Muslim is a traitor”- had Modi really said that- the whole media would have gone downtown with it. YOGINDER SIKAND IS A HORRIBLY ANTI-BJP man.

    This website is by no means a slave of Modi- it actually criticized BJP and Modi for MISERABLY FAILINGTO BRINGOUT THE TRUTH OF THE RIOTS- and not suing Tehelka for crores of rupees despite evidenceof its crimes.

    You two Deepak and Abdul will CONVINIENTLY IGNORE and AVOID THE TRICKY QUESTIONS THAT I AM RAISING-
    QURAN 3:151
    Quran 9:5
    Quran 22:19-22
    POLICE SAVING MUSLIMS IN SANJELI, BODELI VIRAMGAM. The hundreds of Hindus also killed BY MUSLIMS EVEN AFTER GODHRA.

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    Ramesh Mantri AUSTRALIA Says:

    And as for Zakir Naik listen to what clerics of Islam have to say about him.
    http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/Challenge-to-Close-Islam-watch-Debate-on-Sword-Verse.htm
    and
    http://hasnain.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/zakir-naik-declared-kafir-by-ahle-sunnat-%E2%80%8F-ulama-fatwa-in-india/

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    Abdul SAUDI ARABIA Says:

    @All Indians: Once a wise person said, “Arguing with a fool is like two fools arguing with each other”.

    I have told dozens of times that we muslims as a whole condemn burning of Sabarmati Express that resulted in the loss of innocent lives. This fool Ramesh keeps repeating that I am trying to justify killing the innocents. He is bringing up 9/11 attacks to accuse muslims, and again he is wrong because eminent scientists from USA have clearly explained that bombs were planted inside the twin towers that burst out as soon as the plane crashed. It was a controlled demolition which could be done by none other than the American govt itself. Many wise Non-Muslim American scholars have themselves stated that whoever believes that muslim terrorists were responsible for sept 11 attacks are the BIGGEST FOOLS on earth.

    The reason why I dont want to argue anymore is because such ignorant fools are going to the extremes of blasphemous acts against a religion. If the moderators of this website are promoting acts of Blasphemy there is no use of arguing with such shameless fools.

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    Ramesh Mantri AUSTRALIA Says:

    @All Indians-
    Do look at what Muslims genuinely believe. They believe that VHP torched the train in Godhra, kar sewaks (Peace be upon them) kidnapped a girl, but this is nothing. They also believe that 9/11 attacks were done by Jews, 7/11 Mumbai bombs by RSS, 26/11 Mumbai attacks by RSS and Mossad and what not.
    I am surprised that you did not say that Jews did 9/11 attacks- which 95 % Muslims believe. In any case, you leave no doubts in the minds of non-Muslims as to who is a fool- by making such a claim on 9/11. Even your strongest supporter DEEPAK will not buy the theory that 9/11 attacks were done by US Government.
    In any case- as for the BLASPHEMY committed by me on Muhammad- if you prove how this is wrong- I will take back my words and apologize.
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/rapist.htm
    Your own HAdiths and Quran mention this. Quran also says nowhere- “SLAVERY IS BAD. SLAVERY SHOULD BE ABOLISHED” Instead- it allows Muslims to RAPE their slave girls even if they are married. If this is OUT OF CONTEXT- then tell me the right context. You also havent told me the right context of 9:5, 3:151, 22:19-22. In the whole Quran, out of around 6,100 passages- there are HUNDREDS which are like this- predicting DOOM and HELL for all non-Muslims. Are all of them “out of context”? I agree completely that there is no point in talking to fools. That is what I feel you are. Yes-I may have attacked the religion Islam, insulted the Holy Prophet (PBUH), but if I am wrong- prove me wrong- I will correct myself. And for cowards- Ali Sina is not a coward- he is a wise man. Muslims are capable of killing anyone who they think harms their religion-they killed the Japanese translator of “Satanic Verses” – or maybe even that was done by Jews to blame Muslims. Cowards are those who believe LIES, LIERS, RAPISTS and call them as “God’s Prophets” for fear of Hell- closing their minds.

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    VINIT INDIA Says:

    Mr. Deepak and Abdul :-

    If you are so much intrested in proving the website untrue , then why don’t you accept the challenge ??

    Chapter 9 verse 5 of quran – Where ever you find the idolators cut them, bisiege them , sieze them , ambush them…..What is its true ‘context’? The debate on http://www.islam-watch.org makes it clear what the context of this is.

    This is what Muhammad said !!

    LET ME TELL YOU WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE -

    IN PAKISTAN 3 OUT OF EVERY 4 WOMEN IN JAIL ARE RAPE VICTIMS!!

    IF A RAPED WOMAN FILED A CASE THEN SHE HAS TO PRODUCE 4 MALE WITNESSES FOR THE INCIDENCE !!

    N IF SHE IS ENABLE TO GET THE 4 MALE WITNESSES SHE IS WORTHY OF BEING PUNSHIED AND IS JAILED !!

    SO TELL ME YOU USELESS PEOPLE FROM WHERE WILL SHE PRODUCE 4 MALE WITNESSES !! THE RAPIST WILL NOT RAPE THE WOMAN INFRONT OF 4 MALES !!

    AND IF HE DOSE THE REMAINING 4 PEOPLE WILL BE THE CO RAPISTS !!

    THIS IS WHAT YOUR MINDS THINK ABOUT WOMAN !!

    AND Mr. Deepak , you are just the slave of these leechers and a leecher like muhammad !!And you are the same as they !!

    SEE THESE VERSES OF QURAN-
    A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.

    The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

    Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

    Slave-girls are sexual property for their male owners.

    The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

    And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

    Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

    The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

    65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

    THIS IS JUST WHAT RAPISTS ARE !!

    JAI HIND!!

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    Indian in KSA Says:

    This website is full of fabricated information and it looks like the VHP, RSS or people loyal to Modi and who get funds from Modi have prepared all the half-baked articles full of filthy LIES in this website.

    Just read this part about the State and police complicity in the genocide

    Initially, the Godhra train tragedy was touted as the trigger for the riots that spread like wildfire all across Gujarat. However, it quickly became clear that the carnage was planned well before the Godbra train tragedy and that the anti-Muslim hate propaganda increased in the six months prior to February 2002. (1) The People’s Union for Democratic Rights (PUDR), one of India’s premiere human rights organizations, said in its report on the violence in Gujarat, “The whole intent of the pogrom has been to reduce Muslims to second class citizens in their own country.” (1) The report states that the organizers of the genocide tapped into a seam of hatred that had been systematically cultivated against the minority Muslim community over many years.

    The People’s Union for Civil Liberties (PUCL) also voiced the same sentiment insisting that the violence witnessed in Gujarat was not perpetrated by Hindus, but that an agency was responsible for it. According to Renu Khanna of the PUCL, the organization does not believe that the riots were “Hindu-Muslim riots” but were completely engineered by the chief minister, VHP, Bajrang Dal and RSS. (2) Another report by the Citizens’ Initiative, a coalition of over twenty-five NGOs that recorded testimony of sexual violence in Gujarat, cites that members of the Bajrang Dal and VHP were distributing arms in rural areas as early as six months before the violence began. (3) Similarly, Human Rights Watch reported that “in the days that followed February 28, hundreds of youths brandishing swords, daggers, axes, and iron rods were seen shouting ‘Jai Shri Ram’ and roaming roads lined with gutted shops and littered with burned trucks, rickshaws, and other vehicles.” (4)

    Sexual violence and police complicity

    The report sponsored by the Citizens’ Initiative contains more than 30 pages of testimonials from female victims and eyewitnesses to the violence based on investigations conducted at the end of March. Among its findings is the fact that crimes against women have been grossly underreported and under-recorded by the police.

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    Ajinkya AUSTRALIA Says:

    @Indian in KSA
    If you think that this site has only LIES and false information- then bring your evidence and prove this site wrong on any part you like. That is the problem with people like you. You can only LIE and make allegations of LIES etc without pinpointing exactly what is wrong.
    The challenge is already declared here.
    And as for your claim that “Riots were “planned” and had nothing to do with Godhra”- you will get a NOBLE PRIZE FOR FICTION for this claim. Even a blind man will know that riots were a reaction to Godhra.
    The reports of pseudo-secularists like PUCL, and Concerned Citizens are all pieces of trash. They have no credibility and no evidence- just wild allegations made. The JUSTICE TEWATIA REPORT made by a retired High Court CHIEF JUSTICE D S TEWATIA is pasted here on this site. Read this with open eyes. And as for the outrageous claim that crimes against women were underreported- a Muslim woman member of the Women’s Commission is on record saying on Tehelka’s site on 22 April 2002- that violence against minority women is EXAGGERATED- not under reported.
    By making such wild allegations on this site- without proof- you only lose credibility. Its like Muslims debating with Ali Sina of http://www.faithfreedom.org Muslims have no knowledge of Sina’s arguments and Islam- but out of faith in Islam they dare to abuse Sina without countering his arguments in a scholarly manner.

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    VoP UNITED STATES Says:

    Recently there is an article being circulated – “Why India needs Narendra Modi?” by Suhel Seth. But I have passed your website to expose suhel’s lies and replied as follows:

    > I have perhaps written more articles against Modi and his handling of the post-Godhra scenario than most people have; I have called him a modern-day Hitler and have always said that Godhra shall remain an enduring blemish not just on him but on India’s political class. I still believe that what happened in Gujarat during the Godhra riots is something we as a nation will pay a heavy price for.

    Sometimes I wonder at these 3rd rate journalists who seem to be doing repentance, paragraphs like the above writtem by such SICKular yellow journalists have damaged Modi forever, not just India’s image. Modern day Hitler? Does he have basic arithmetic sense? Hitler murdered 6,000,000 jews where as Modi was presiding a state where public retribution for Islamic Terrorism that burnt 58 hindus was mere 790 Muslims. Islamic Terrorism caused another 254 Hindus to lose their lives for no reason. This scum has lost any credibility to write about Modi.

    > And it was not some official meeting but instead one at his house. As frugal as the man Modi is.

    And what does that mean? Was he expecting favors to write facts!? How much did he get from ISI and Christian evangelical quarters to Hitlerize Modi? IMHO we don’t need such journos, they can switch sides in a jiffy, dharma be damned!

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    Abdul INDIA Says:

    @Ramesh:

    Irrefutable evidences:-

    Israel did 9/11 – all the proof in the world:

    http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367#p20823

    It wasn’t muslims:

    http://www.takeourworldback.com/itwasntmuslims.htm

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    Ramesh AUSTRALIA Says:

    Of course- the entire controversy is not worth talking about. Muslims will believe anything- night is day and day is night. They will believe that Mohammad climbed a white horse, rode to Heaven, met God, split the moon and conversed with jinns. Those who are capable of believing this will obviously not believe that 9/11 was done by Al Qaeda, even though Osama himself has admitted it!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qloshSGAJ1s

  39. 39
    Abdul INDIA Says:

    @Ramesh: It is very easy to animate videos and to make you speak what you have never said in your life. Americans are experts in creating fake bin laden videos. FBI says he is left-handed, but many videos show him to be right-handed. Sometimes, his face is thin, sometimes fat and sometimes his beard has white hairs, sometimes completely black. If you believe in fake videos of bin laden then that’s to your own SHAME.

    Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwSmFnlwrK0

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    Deepak UNITED STATES Says:

    Last year when I had said on this site about the so called culture of India, and that even hindu men are equally criminal like muslims of India, I had pointed out to the fact that Delhi is called RAPE CAPITAL OF INDIA.

    Are these losers still blind to what is happening in DELHI??? Shockingly in most cases bin HINDU MEN, the great culture that we have is teaching them to rape their own women??

    You all should read this article added today on rediff.com, one of leading Indian American news website:

    http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-delhi-is-the-rape-capital-of-india/20101214.htm

  41. 41
    Deepak UNITED STATES Says:

    Abdul one fact is fact that 9/11 was done by Arabic terrorist who were all muslims by religion. There is no other explianation to it. There have been numerous researchs and investigations that all point that Osama Bin Laden’s similar terror groups were plalling this atatck for long.

    Even if Israel was involved in this attack, you cannot deny that it was muslim hijackers who took these planes into the WTC.

    The point you have to understand here, which I also support is that events like 26/11 and 9/11 have been planned by muslim men. Because dead bodies of terrorist do not lie.

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    Indian@ USA UNITED STATES Says:

    This is specially for Deepak !!!!!

    Why are you talking about USA? There are lots of muslims killed in US with other Americans.
    In Gujrat, muslims are killed purposely and specially Narendra Modi is involved in this. US Immigration has also denied his Visa. He can’t come to US also because he is a Biggest Terrorist in India wearing a nice person Mask.
    We don’t understand why our Government is not accepting this.
    He should get punishment for killing 2000 people.

    God Punish Narendra Modi !!!!!!! AMEEN…

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    REMYA NAIR Says:

    VINIT BETTER POST THE ACTUAL VERSES THAN THE FAKE ONE. CAN YOU SHOW A COPY OF QURAN SHAREEF STATING THESE LINES. IF YOU CREATE SUCH FAKE VERSES EVEN I CAN MAKE FAKE VERSES OF GEETA AND RAMAYAN.IF HINDUISM IS SO PERFECT, U HAVE PROBLEM WITH MUSLIM MARRYING 4 WIVES, THEN WHY KRISHNA KEEPS 100 WIVES. U DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.AND EVEN WE DONT SPOKEN AGAINST HIM. THEN WHY DO YOU SPEAK AGAINST OUR CULTURE. IF MUSLIM IS ALLOWED TO MARRY 4 WIVES EVEN A PIECE OF APPLE THAT HE PROVIDES THEM IS TO BE OF EQUAL SIZE. SO ONLY SUCH A PERSON WHO CAN PROVIDE EACH WIFE EQUALLY WITH EACH NEEDS IS TO MARRY SO.THAT TOO WHEN SHE HAS NO ONE TO TAKE CARE OF HER OR IS ALL ALONE. WHEREAS U MARRY ONE WIFE AND KEEP OTHER 100 RELATIONSHIPS.U READ WHY KARKARE WAS KILLED WHEN HE BROUGHT BEFORE US THE HINDU TERRORISM-THE MALEGAON BLAST CASE. WHY THE FILE IS MISSING. IF U R REALLY WORRIED ABOUT TERRORISM FIRST U WORRY ABOUT THE TERRORISM WITHIN INDIA LIKE POLITICIANS LIKE MODI AND SEVERAL OTHERS INCLUDING THOSE BEHIND THE KARKARE CASE, THEN SPEAK AGAINST MUSLIMS ONCE U R PERFECT. BUT IF U R BOTHERED ONLY ABOUT MUSLIM COMMUNITY THEN ITS NOT WORTHY SPEAKING TO U.
    IF U FIND SO MANY IMPERFECTION IN ISLAM JUST EXPLAIN WHY THE HIGHEST CONVERSION IN THE WORLD i.e. THE HIGHEST ACCEPTED RELIGION IN D WORLD IS ISLAM THOUGH NO ONE GOES AROUND EXPLAINING PEOPLE ABOUT ISLAM OR DISTRIBUTING PAMPLETS LIKE IN CRISTIANITY. WHEREAS EVERYTHING GOING AROUND THE WORLD IS AGAINST ISLAM. THE RELIGION PEOPLE BLAME THE MOST IS BEING ACCEPTED THE MOST. GO READ THE REAL VERSES OF QURAN SHAREEF FROM THE REAL SITES. THEN SPEAK AGAINST IT.EVEN I HAVE CONVERTED LAST YEAR TO ISLAM.I WAS A HINDU EARLIER.

  44. 44
    REMYA NAIR Says:

    RAMESH AND VINIT:
    MY REPLY POSTED EARLIER IS TO BOTH OF U..

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    Ramesh AUSTRALIA Says:

    @ REMYA NAIR
    Hinduism gives FULL FREEDOM of thought unlike Islam which forces people to follow Muhammad blindly with BLIND FAITH. Krishna having hundreds of wives is a tale and even if it is true it was done thousands of years ago which may or may not have been correct at that time, but is not acceptable today. Today Hindus follow modern civil laws and there is no binding on Hindus to forcibly follow Geeta.
    As for FAKE verses- what we have quoted are TRUE VERSES of the Quran. First see THIS CHALLENGE of ALi Sina, a former Muslim himself. http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

    And remember, an average of 4 out of 5 new converts to Islam leave Islam in 5 years. And Islam is also losing thousands who leave Islam- this side of the story is never told.
    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/People_Who_Left_Islam

    What Qur’an Teaches:

    Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), slay them (9:5), fight with them (8:65 ), strive against them with great endeavor (25:52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9) strike off their heads; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” for ransom (Q;47:4). This is just a token of what Quran says should be done to the unbelievers.

    As for the Christians and the Jews, the order is to subdue them and impose on them a penalty tax and let them go not before humiliating them (9:29).

    Quran is alien to freedom of belief and recognizes no other religion but Islam (3:85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28) and orders the Muslims to fight them until no other religion except Islam is left. (2:193) It encourages the Muslims to strive with might and main those who resist and fight back. According to the Quran they are mischief doers and the punishment such people is: “execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; 5:33

    The Quran stresses that the disbelievers shall have a great punishment in the world hereafter” (5:34) and quite descriptively depicts a horrendous chastisement for them stating that there they will drink boiling water, (14:17) that they will be engulfed in smoke and flames like the wall and the roof of a tent and if they implore relief they will be granted water like melting brass, that will scald their faces, (18:29) and that “garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (22:19).

    The Quran vehemently prohibits the Muslims to associate with their own brothers and fathers if they are non-believers (9:23), (3:28).

    As for the women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and they must obey their husbands, otherwise their husbands are advised to “admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them” (Q;4:34). But the punishment does not end there, because after the uppity woman dies, she will go to hell (Q;66:10), says the prophet of Alah.

    Quran emphasizes the superiority of men over women by confirming that men have an advantage over the women (Q;2:228). It not only denies the women’s equal right to their inheritance (Q;4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court of law unless it is accompanied with the witness of a man and that two women’s witness is equal to one man’s witness (Q;2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four wives (although he himself had a score of them) Some interpreters claim there is no such limitation in the Quran, and the verse 4:3, that says “Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four;” should be read as marry one, two, three, four, etc, and this verse does not put any limits to the number of wives a man can have.

    Muhammad gave Muslim men the license to enjoy their “right-hand possessions” (women captured in wars) as many as they can capture or afford to buy (Q;4:3), even if they (the captive women) are already married to someone else (Q;4:24).

    This is just the tip of the iceberg. There are hundreds of verses in the Quran that call for violence, hate and war. Some Muslims claim that the violent verses of the Quran should be read in their context. However, the fact is that violence IS the context of the Quran. There are so many violent verses that they leave no doubt about their intent. Would a real God incite us to kill other peoples?

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    Ramesh AUSTRALIA Says:

    on STATUS ON WOMEN in ISLAM
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sinaawaintro.htm

    Men Are Maintainers of Women and Superior to Them.

    Muhammad, not only took away the women’s freedom of dress, he made them subservient to men and dependant on them. He wrote:

    ”Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded.” [6]

    The above verse reduces woman into the livestock of man giving him the authority to maintain her as if she were his donkey or camel. Sadly, Khadija did not live long enough to remind her beloved husband that when he married her, she was the maintainer of him who spent out of her property.

    In another place he expressly states that men have a degree of advantage over women.

    “And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them.” [7]

    Muhammad did everything he could to make women subservient to their husbands. According to him women who do not obey their husbands would go to hell.

    The Prophet said “I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that most of the inhabitants were women.” The people asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! Why is it so?” The Prophet replied, “Because of their ungratefulness.” It was asked whether they are ungrateful to Allah. The Prophet said, “They are ungrateful to their companions of life (husbands) and ungrateful to good deeds. If you are benevolent to one of them throughout the life and if she sees anything (undesirable) in you, she will say, ‘I have never had any good from you.’ ” [8]

    Men Can Beat Their Wives

    Muhammad instructed men to beat their wives if they are not obedient.

    ”and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” [9]

    Mishkat al-Masabih narrates: “the above verse was revealed in connection with a woman who complained to Mohammad that her husband slapped her on the face (which was still marked by the slap). At first the Prophet said to her: ‘Get even with him’, but then added: ‘Wait until I think about it.’ Later on the above verse was revealed, after which the Prophet said: ‘We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best.’” [10]

    Maybe on the spur of the moment and faced with this obvious injustice, Muhammad was moved by a fleeting rash of compassion, but that did not last very long. Soon he thought about the implications of what he had said and how this would affect his own relationship with his rebellious wives. So he made his Allah issue that shamefully unjust verse giving men the liberty to beat their wives to make them obedient.

    As it is clear from the above verse, a woman does not have to disobey her husband in order to be beaten. Her husband can beat her only if he FEARS that she may disobey her. As Irshah Manji in “The trouble with Islam: writes (p34 regarding 4:34) “To deserve a beating, a woman doesn’t have to disobey anybody, a man merely has to fear her disobedience. His insecurity becomes her problem”

    Good women do not complain if their husbands beat them:

    “Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab: Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you.” [Muslim 11:2141]

    The husband does not have to explain to anyone why he beats his wife.

    “Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.” [Muslim 11:2142]

    Muhammad went as far as to say women should prostrate in front of their husbands:

    “If I were to command anyone to make prostration before another I would command women to prostrate themselves before their husbands, because of the special right over them given to husbands by Allah.” [11]

    In a hadith Aisha narrated one night Muhammad, left her home after he thought she is asleep. She secretly followed her and when he came back and saw she was panting, he inquired where she had gone. [Poor man was extremely paranoid whether his wives were cheating]. He told her if she concealed what she was doing the “Subtle and the Aware” [ghosts] would inform him. Aisha says that when I confessed that I had followed him, “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain,” [Muslim4.2127 ]

    Women’s Deficiencies.

    A hadith reports one meeting that Muhammad had with women where he called them “deficient in intelligence and religion”:

    ”Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o ‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, [this money would go to him as the viceroy of God on Earth and he would distribute it to those whose favor he was seeking or to make the show of generosity] as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.” [12]

    The above is a flagrant case of misogyny where Muhammad commits the travesty of first taking the rights of the women away and then condemning them for not having those rights. Not only he injures, but he adds insult to the injury by blaming the victim. This hadith is reported by various narrators and is also recorded in Sahih Muslim, which makes it one of the most authoritative hadiths of Muhammad.

    Women Are Created For Men.

    The Quran says:

    “And of His signs is that He created for you, of yourselves, spouses, that you may repose in them” [30.21]

    The Arabic text makes it clear that “for you” is masculine, meaning the verse is addressing men and “them” is in feminine gender. (In fact Allah in the Quran never addresses women directly. He always speaks to the Prophet or the male believers. Women are always referred to in third person.) What this verse is conveying is that women are created FOR men and are for their enjoyment.

    The great Islamic scholar, Fakhr al-Din al-Razi (not to be confused with Razes, who was a freethinker and mocked Muhammad and other prophets) in At-Tafsir al-Kabir, commenting on Q. 30:21wrote:

    “His saying ‘created for you’ is a proof that women were created like animals and plants and other useful things, just as the Most High has said ‘He created for you what is on earth’ and that necessitates the woman not to be created for worship and carrying the Divine commands. We say creating the women is one of the graces bestowed upon us and charging them with Divine commands to complete the graces bestowed upon us, not that they are charged as we men are charged. For women are not charged with many commands as we are charged, because the woman is weak, silly, in one sense she is like a child, and no commands are laid upon a child, but for the grace of Allah upon us to be complete, women had to be charged so that they may fear the torment of punishment and so follow her husband, and keep away from what is forbidden, otherwise corruption would be rampant.”

    Hadi Sabzevari, an eminent Muslim scholar, in his commentary on another grand Muslim thinker, Sadr al-Mote’alihin wrote:

    That Sadr ad-Deen Shirazi classifies women as animals is a delicate allusion to the fact that women, due to the deficiency in their intelligence and understanding of intricacies, and due to their fondness of the adornments of the world, are truly and justly among the mute animals [al-haywanti al-sa^mita]. They have the nature of beasts [ad-dawwa^b], but they have been given the disguise of human beings so that men would not be loath to talk to them and be compelled to have sexual intercourse with them. That is why our immaculate Law [shar'ina al-mutahhar] takes men’s side and gives them superiority in most matters, including divorce, “nushuz,” etc. [14]

    These scholars did not made these derogatory remarks about women without knowledge. They were interpreting the sayings of Muhammad whom to them was the best messenger of God and an example to follow. The reference to the inferiority of woman and their deficiency in intelligence and religion is abounding in the Hadith and the Quran.

    Naqisatan ‘aqlan wa dinan (deficient in intelligence and religion), an Arab aphorism, is an allusion to women that stems from the sayings of Muhammad.

    Women Who Refuse Sex Will Be Cursed by Angels

    The following Hadith also makes it clear that women are created for men and for their satisfaction.

    ”Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.” [15]

    The above makes one wonder, whether Allah has nothing better to do than worrying about the sexual pleasures of Muslim men! It seems absurd that God would employ a host of angels to do nothing but sit around and curse the women who do not sexually please their husbands. To curse means invoking the wrath of God. Why would God need so many angles to invoke his wrath on frigid women when he can punish them his own? There seems to be a lot of redundancies and mismanagements up there. It is like the president of a country, have his staff lobby him for the plans that he wants to put into action. It just makes no sense. If these angels are paid then this is a complete waste of divine funds and if they are not paid then it is slavery. You can’t say the angels do this voluntarily because the angles do nothing without the will of Allah. There are more hadiths on this subject:

    “Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, when a man calls his wife to his bed, and she does not respond, the One Who is in the heaven is displeased with her until he (her husband) is pleased with her.” [16]

    And

    “The Prophet said, “If a woman spends the night deserting her husband’s bed (does not sleep with him), then the angels send their curses on her till she comes back (to her husband).” [17]

    It is hard to determine why Muhammad was so concerned about this issue. Perhaps it helps to remember that he was an old man when his numerous wives were mostly teenagers or in their early twenties. His teeth must have been decaying and his mouth had a foul smell. As I have shown in Understanding Muhammad, he emitted a foul smell that he tried to mask with abundance of perfume. He was also impotent. It is natural to assume that his young wives were not that much desirous to share their bed with an old, smelly and impotent man like him. Is it possible that Muhammad concocted these stories to intimidate his young wives not to reject his sexual advances, when he wanted to “fondle” them? Or do you think Allah is also a pimp?

    According to the Prophet of Allah, a man’s sexual urges are such an emergency that his wife must leave her food burn in the oven rather than leave him alone in bed with an erection.

    The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven.” [18]

    Imagine kids coming home:

    - Mom, we are home and hungry.
    - Oh, I am sorry, but the dinner is burnt.
    - Ah agaaaaain?
    - Yes my dear. Daddy had an emergency, which mommy had to attend to.
    - But Mom, you said the same also yesterday.
    - I know my sweet heart. Daddy lately spends a lot of time on the Internet.

    Women are Pudenda?!!

    As if all these derogatory remarks about women were not enough, Muhammad even compared them to pudenda.

    Ali reported the Prophet saying: ‘Women have ten (‘awrat). When she gets married, the husband covers one, and when she dies the grave covers the ten.[19]

    What is ‘awrat? ..The Encyclopedia of Islam defines ‘awrat as pudendum, that is “the external genitals, especially of the female. [Latin pudendum (literally) a thing to be ashamed of]“[20]

    According to the following Hadith, women not only have ten ‘awrat, but the woman herself is perceived as ‘awrah:

    “The woman is ‘awrah. When she goes outside (the house), the devil welcomes her.” [21]

    Women are discouraged from going outside the house, even to pray in the mosque.

    “A woman is closest to God’s face, if she is found in the core of her house. And the prayer of the woman in the house is better than her prayer in the mosque.”[22]

    This is a far cry from the time when Arabs respected women, listened to their advices and followed them as leaders and prophetesses. Gradually, as the new generations were indoctrinated with the teachings of the new revelation they became scornful of women and eventually Muslim women lost their rights in the society, along with their dignity.

    Women Have Less Legal Rights

    The “deficiency of women” in intelligence affects their legal rights as well.

    And call in to witness two witnesses, men; or if the two be not men, then one man and two women, such witness as you approve of, that if one woman errs the other will remind her. Q. 2:282

    In other words not only a woman alone cannot witness against a criminal, if there is no male witness, the testimonies of any number of women without the testimony of a man are worthless. This means that if a woman is raped and she cannot produce any male witnesses, (which is logically almost always the case) she cannot witness against her assailant. However, her testimony can be regarded as confession of fornication and can be used against her. Also if the victim of rape becomes pregnant, that is evidence of the adultery and she could be charged and punished with death by stoning. A few years ago Amina Lawal was sentenced by the Islamic courts of Nigeria to be stoned as soon as her infant was weaned. The father of the child could not be charged with adultery because her testimony was not enough. This case came to the attention of the world public and eventually the Islamic courts had to back off, but thousands of such cases have happened and continue to happen, and injustice is made against women, without ever anyone hearing of them.

    Women Inherit Less

    Muslim apologists claim that prior to Islam women had no rights at all and received no inheritance. This is not so. Khadija received her wealth through inheritance. When Muhammad decided that women should receive half of the inheritance of what their blood brothers receive, women did not celebrate with joy.

    Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females. 4.11

    As a matter of fact many, including one of his own wives complained that this arrangement is unfair to women.

    Umme Salmah (RA) said: “O Messenger of Allâh! The men wage Jihad [can collect booty] whereas we (women) do not and we receive half the inheritance.” (i.e. blood-brothers receive double the share of blood sisters). Thereafter the verse “And do not covet…. 4.32.” was revealed.” [23]

    And in no wise covet those things in which Allah Hath bestowed His gifts More freely on some of you than on others: To men is allotted what they earn, and to women what they earn. 4.32

    If they complained, it is clear that their rights had been taken away from them. This suffices as proof that women prior to Islam had more rights to inheritance than what Muhammad allotted to them.

    Muhammad’s Opinion of Women

    The Prophet of Allah had such a low regard for women that he compared them to tilth or farmland and said you can enter your tilth from wherever you like (ana she’tom).

    Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will… 2.223 (This is the exact translation. Often the translations made by Muslims are sanitized)

    It is not proper to be more descriptive, but it is obvious that the word ana she’tom (from wherever) allows a man to enter a woman from every penetrable orifice. The above led Muslims to regard women as nothing but toys created to appease men.

    ‘Umar was once talking when his wife interjected, so he said to her: ‘You are a toy, if you are needed we will call you.’[24]

    The most eminent Islamic scholar a Ghazzali said:

    In the company of women, looking at them, and playing with them, the soul is refreshed, the heart is rested, and the man is strengthened to the worship of God…this is why God said: ‘That he might rest in her.’ (Q. 7:189) [25]

    The verse that Ghazzali refers to is: Verse 7.189

    It is He Who created you from a single person, and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her (rest in her).

    It is obvious that Muhammad did not have much reverence for women.

    The Prophet said, “After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women.” [26]

    In another place he compares women to a crooked rib.

    Woman is like a rib. When you attempt to straighten it, you would break it. And if you leave her alone you would benefit by her, and crookedness will remain in her. [27]

    This hadith is classified as “agreed upon” because it is reported by other collectors of hadith too. In another hadith he said:

    The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart. [28]

    [1] http://anwary-islam.com/battle/ghazwah_uhud.htm
    [2] Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 648:
    [3] Bukhari, v1, bk 8, sunnah 395.
    [4] Quran, 33:30
    [5] Quran, 33:32
    [6] Qurna, 4:34
    [7] Quran 2:228
    [8] Bukhari Volume 2, Book 18, Number 161
    [9] Quran.4:34
    [10] Razi, At-tafsir al-Kabir, on Q. 4:34.
    [11] Muslim Book 11, Number 2135)
    [12] Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301

    [13] Quran: 30.21

    [15] (Quoted in Soroush, Abdolkarim, _Farbehtar az ideoloji_, Sera^t, Tehran , 1373 A.H.S.). [A.H.S. = After the Hegira, in Solar years].

    [14] Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460.

    [16] Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3367:

    [17] Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 122
    [18] Mishkat al-Masabih, English translation, Book I, Section ‘Duties of husband and wife’, Hadith No. 61.
    [19] Kanz-el-’Ummal, Vol. 22, Hadith No. 858. See also Ihy’a

    [20] The World Book Dictionary

    ‘Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-’Elmeyah, Beirut , Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 65.

    [21] Ihy’a ‘Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-’Elmeyah, Beirut , Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 65. Reported by Tirmizi as a true and good Ahadith.

    [22] Ihy’a ‘Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-’Elmeyah, Beirut , Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 65. Reported by Tirmizi as a true and good Ahadith.

    [23] (Ibn Katheer vl.1, pg.498)

    [24] Al-Musanaf by Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn ‘Abd Allah Ibn Mousa Al-Kanadi who lived 557H., Vol. 1 Part 2, p. 263. See also Ihy’a ‘Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al- Kotob al-’Elmeyah, Beirut , Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 52.

    [25] Ihy’a ‘Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-’Elmeyah, Beirut , Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 34.
    [26] Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33
    [27] Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3466
    [28] Book 008, Number 3240

  47. 47
    REMYA NAIR Says:

    RAMESH & VINIT:

    REFER MR. ABDUL’S VERSES FROM GEETA. HOW COME HE STATED THE REAL VERSES AND U STATE THE FAKE VERSES AND TRY TO PROVE ITS FROM QURAN SHAREEF.EVEN HE COULD HAVE FAKED SOMETHING TO PROVE U ALL WRONG. THIS IS ISLAM. HOLDING THE RIGHT PATH. AND DONT THINK PEOPLE TO BE FOOLS TO BELIEVE UR VERSES.MOST ISLAMIC SITES HAVE THE TRANSLATION OF QURAN SHAREEF.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html#ixzz207yMzJcV

    http://www.ahadees.com/english-translation.html

    http://www.ahlesunnat.biz/main/holyquran.htm

    http://www.trueislam.info/Literature/Quran/QuranMain.htm

    MANY NON MUSLIM SCIENTISTS HAVE AGREED:VISIT THE BELOW SITE:

    http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html

    http://www.islamicbulletin.com/newsletters/issue_6/embraced.aspx

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Islam

    http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-more/

    HOW 100,000 Britons have chosen to become Muslim…

    Read more:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

  48. 48
    REMYA NAIR Says:

    RAMESH:

    NONE OF THEM WHO HAVE CONVERTED HAVE LEFT ISLAM. U VISIT THE PROPER SITES.ONE SHOULD REFER A NUMBER OF SITES THEN BELIEVE WHAT IS TRUE. ANY RAM OR ALI CAN MAKE A SITE AND WRITE ALL BULL SHIT.BELIEVING ONLY WHAT HE TRIES TO PROVE IS FOOLISHNESS. SEE THE ACTUAL MEANING OF THE VERSES THAT WHAT ALLAH TAALA HAS MENTIONED AND NOT THAT ANY RAM OR ALI IS TRYING TO PROVE.AND THE VERSES ARE IN ARABIC. TRANSLATION IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE CAN BE DONE IN ANY WAY – POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE. THE MATTER IS HOW U TAKE IT. U TAKE IT THE NAGATIVE WAY BUT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD TAKE IT THE POSITIVE WAY. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT NAMELY CONVERT. WE LAERNT ARABIC UNDERSTOOD THE MATTER IN ARABIC. THE COUNTRIES WHERE ISLAM IS CRITICIZED THE MOST SUCH AS U.S. AND U.K., ISLAM IS GROWING THE FASTEST OVER THERE.WHY DONT PEOPLE OVER THERE TAKE IT NEGATIVELY. MANY GREAT SCIENTISTS HAVE AGREED TO THE RELIGION WHAT MATTERS IF ALI OR RAM SAYS AGAINST IT. ALLAH GIVES IMAAN TO ONLY THOSE WHOM HE WISHES..AND HE TAKES AWAY IMAAN OF THOSE WHOM HE WISHES..i m happy to have accepted the religion of truth..ALHAMDULILLAH..

  49. 49
    REMYA NAIR Says:

    WHY ALCOHOL IS BANNED ONLY IN ISLAM. PEOPLE DRINK AND BEAT THEIR WIVES. THERE’S NO PROBLEM IN THIS. NOWHERE IN ISLAM A MAN IS ORDERED TO BEAT HIS WIFE. EVEN SMILING TO UR WIFE IS A SADQA(GOOD DEED WHICH WOULD BE REWARDED).A WOMAN IF CHEATS A HUSBAND HE IS SUPPOSED TO TALK TO HER, EXPLAIN HER, THEN TOO IF SHE GOES TO ANOTHER MAN THEN HIT HER BUT NOT ON HER FACE OR IN A WAY WHICH WILL HURT HER MUCH. THIS IS TO BE DONE WHEN SHE GOES FOR A RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER MAN.IN ANY OTHER RELIGION IMAGINE UR WIFE CHEATING U,U WOULD DIRECTLY HIT HER OR DIVORCE HER OR SEND HER TO HER PARENTS.SEE THE PATIENCE THE HUSBAND IS TO FOLLOW ON SUCH OCCASION.AND THIS QUESTION ARRISES ON HER CHEATING HIM WHICH RARELY ANY MUSLIM WOMEN WOULD EVER DO.THEY DONT EVEN DISCLOSE THEIR FACE TO OTHER MEN, THEN ARRISES THE QUESTION OF CHEATING.THIS WAS THE ANSWER TO ONE OF UR MISCONCEPT.

    The verse asks women to guard even when unnoticed, that which God has asked them to guard. If we have read the Koran carefully, we won’t have trouble in determining that God specifically asks women and men to “guard” their chastity (Koran 24:30-31). To the women who cheat on their husbands, the Koran gives a three step, braking mechanism to hasty divorce or worse still capital punishment for adultery.
    Step one, the husband should talk to the wife and try to resolve it. Usually, given men’s image in popular culture, step one would normally be shouting and cursing and maybe even hitting. Around four million women in the US are severally battered each year. Two to four thousand of them die. Rather unfortunate and avoidable if a braking mechanism exists for people exercising their emotions. Contrary to this, the Koran suggests that talk be the first option.
    Step two, the Koran recommends that marital relations be temporarily stopped between the couple, if cheating persists even after a talk. This would give the woman further opportunity to consider if she’d rather separate from the man and provide for herself after divorce or if she’d rather stay in the current marriage. If however the couple want to separate, which most people would if there was cheating going on, the Koran states in the next verse:
    “And if you fear a breach between the two (husband and wife), appoint an arbiter from his family and an arbiter from her family. If they(husband and wife) desire amendment, God will make them of one mind. For God is Knowing and is Aware (Koran 4:35).”
    If however, the woman wants to stay with the man but doesn’t quit cheating, i.e. break up the extra marital relationship then the Koran says resort to Step three, which is implicitly for the woman’s own benefit especially in an economically harsh environment. In step three, the Koran says hit them. The word used signifies a single symbolic hit. The word hit in the verse does not represent beating up in any way. It is not supposed to injure the woman but is meant to be symbolic. Thus the same word Darab,is used in the Koran to “strike or hit” someone with an example, Darab al imsal (Koran 66:11). If it injures the woman than the woman according to law can have the authorities retaliate against the man as he would have broken the law, as for injury there is equal retribution according to the Koran [Koran 5:45].
    Here is the situation that warrants step three: the woman doesn’t want to end the current marriage and also doesn’t want to put an end to her cheating episodes, the Koran suggests that the husband strike her, for her own benefit. This is very liberal. The woman on her own would be under financial hardship and so she wants to use the current marriage relationship. However she also doesn’t want to quit cheating on her husband. People, men or women normally aren’t so forgiving as to keep the marriage and accept that the other party remains cheating. Something has to be done to make the relationship compatible, after both talking and temporarily halting marital relationship hasn’t worked. However, in all sincerity, I can state confidently that step 3 will never arise since both the man and the woman are free to end the relationship during the course of step 1 and step 2.
    The Koran by making the symbolic hit step 3 is actually controlling human emotions of hitting, which usually come before talking and reasoning. It makes it virtually impossible that a man going through 1 and 2 will resort to 3 also and not break the marriage before. Where there are difficulties that need to be settled, the Koran provides a very modern and just arbitration system (see above Koran 4:35). The Koran is concerned to the utmost about women’s rights. Human society has usually not given equal opportunity to women, even today in the west. The Koran wants to protect women in a harsh society and at the same time change men’s “control-oriented” minds to one that is more reasonable. The method the Koran uses is more result oriented than dogmatic, where both parties are dealt with equitably and with justice.
    By making hitting step 3 the Koran effectively controls the anger emotion that is often spontaneous in such situations. Good reasoning and communication, arbitration to settle differences and short suspension of marital relations should effectively do away with any tendency to hit. The Koran is thus not just putting a count of ten between a man and his anger but days and weeks between it. It thus gives anger and mistrusts a long time and a systematic procedure to get reasonable resolved.

    BETTER THAN WRITING FOR THE ENTIRE MISCONCEPTION U BETTER VISIT THE PROPER SITES MENTIONED.

    THIS IS THE VERSE FOR FEMALE INFANTICIDE:

    “Whosoever kills even one human being, other than for man slaughter or tyranny on earth, it would be as if they had killed all of humanity. And whosoever saves even one human life, it will be as if they have saved all of humankind (Koran 5:32)”

    Even if divorce separates a man from his wife, he has to seek her help in caring for the child or another female if the mother agrees (Koran 2:233). Men are told to spend of their property on women and not ask the woman for anything even if she happens to be rich.

    The concept of dowry is not there in ISLAM. HERE THE MAN HAS TO GIVE HER MEHER – A PARTICULAR AMOUNT ACCORDING TO HIS FININCIAL ABILITY.

    “And give women their Mehar as a Gift”
    (Ayat No.4, Surat No. 4)

    In Islam Nikah is in which a woman regards husband in lieu of Mehar.
    Abi Jafar Imam Mohammad al Baqir says:

    “Nikah is a contract according to which the husband would keep his wife with good manners, and whenever he terminates the contract of Nikah, he should so do with kindness”.

    From the point of view of Islam, Mehar is an important matter. In the Qur’an, which is the primary source of Religious Injunctions this matter has been clarified at several places and Mehar has been defined as Wajib.

    Quran says:
    ‘Pay off the Mehar of women willingly’
    (Ayat No.4, Surah al Nisa)

    A Hadith transmitted by Ali Ibn Abi Talib says:

    “Allah would forgive every sin but He would not forgive the person who has usurped the Mehar of his wife”.

    FOR ANY MISCONCEPTION THE ANSWER IS HERE:

    http://www.quran.org.uk/out.php?LinkID=137

  50. 50
    REMYA NAIR Says:

    I HAVE THE ACTUAL BUKHARI SHARIF AND MOST OF THE HOLY BOOKS U HAVE MENTIONED SO U CANNOT FOOL ME or any Muslim BY SUCH FAKE LINES CALLING THEM HADITH

    Our Prophet peace be upon Him has compared women to a rib but not in the manner u have stated. He peace be upon Him has men not to fight with her bcoz she is like a rib if u try to straighten her u will lose her this is the real hadith. Thus He peace be upon HIM asked people to accept their wives as they are and not to find faults in them. Similarly all Hadith and Verses has been said in a wrong way just to misguide. The person u mentioned Ali is sure enough about his failure and is afraid his fake verses and lies would be brought before the world so he didnt accept the debate challenge.

  51. 51
    Ramesh AUSTRALIA Says:

    So you want PROOF that Muslims are leaving Islam? I know there are 1,00,000 white British women who converted to Islam, but many have also converted to Hinduism for its spirituality. HERES PROOF THAT 6 MILLION MUSLIMS LEAVE ISLAM EVERY YEAR IN AFRICA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo

    According to Al-Jazeerah’s interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.
    THIS IS ACCORDING TO SHEIKH AHMAD AT KATANI

    2,00,000 Muslims in BRITAIN HAVE LEFT ISLAM
    Here is the COUNCIL OF EX- MUSLIMS OF BRITAIN
    http://ex-muslim.org.uk/

    So far as Ali Sina is concerned, NONE OF YOU CAN REFUTE A SINGLE OF HIS ALLEGATIOn against Muhammad. You adulate Muhammad like a child adulates his father and any criticism of Muhammad is like TELLING YOU BRAIN WASHED people like telling a child that his FATHER IS A RAPIST MURDERER and A THIEF. Even if all the proofs in the world are shown to you, you will deny it. As for the Quran I will come back again with more verses.

  52. 52
    Ramesh AUSTRALIA Says:

    Ok so read this on Chapter 9 Verse 5 of the Quran. http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/Challenge-to-Close-Islam-watch-Debate-on-Sword-Verse.htm

    How to interpret the Quran? The best answer that the Quran smeans what it says directly is got from the Quran itself. Remember that Quran repeatedly claims to be a “clear book” (5:15) “easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) “explained in detail” (6:114), “conveyed clearly”, (5:16, 10:15) and with “no doubt” in it (2:1). Now such a book which is very clear and easy to understand and explained in detail teaches these things:

    Quran Teaches
    Apostasy

    2: 27 Those who break Allah’s Covenant after it is ratified, and who sunder what Allah Has ordered to be joined, and do mischief on earth: These cause loss (only) to themselves.

    (AND THIS MEANS- Give full freedom of religion, only I AS A FAKE VERSE QUOTER AM A FOOL to read this AS PUNISHMENT TO APOSTATES i.e. those who leave Islam! How wise is the PERSON WHO WROTE THIS- If he wants to mean that these verses mean PEACE AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION INCLUDING APOSTASY he has chosen excelent words to convey so!)

    2:39, “But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein.”

    3:90-91 “Verily, those who disbelieved after their Belief and then went on increasing in their disbelief – never will their repentance be accepted [because they repent only by their tongues and not from their hearts]. And they are those who are astray. Verily, those who disbelieved, and died while they were disbelievers, the (whole) earth full of gold will not be accepted from anyone of them even if they offered it as a ransom. For them is a painful torment and they will have no helpers.”

    4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,”

    9:66, Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin

    9:74, They swear by Allah that they said nothing (evil), but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they did it after accepting Islam; and they meditated a plot which they were unable to carry out: this revenge of theirs was (their) only return for the bounty with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them with a grievous penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: They shall have none on earth to protect or help them.

    47:25,26 Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them, the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes.
    Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
    Narrated ‘Abdullah:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.”

    Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 445:
    Narrated Abu Dhar:
    The Prophet said, “Gabriel said to me, ‘Whoever amongst your followers die without having worshipped others besides Allah, will enter Paradise (or will not enter the (Hell) Fire).” The Prophet asked. “Even if he has committed illegal sexual intercourse or theft?” He replied, “Even then.”

    (Sahih Bukhari 4.260)
    Narrated Ikrima:
    Ali burnt some people [hypocrites] and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ ”

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

    Narrated ‘Ikrima:
    Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”

    See also this Islamic site.

    http://thetruereligion.org/apostatepunish.htm

  53. 53
    Ramesh AUSTRALIA Says:

    How to interpret the Quran? The best answer that the Quran smeans what it says directly is got from the Quran itself. Remember that Quran repeatedly claims to be a “clear book” (5:15) “easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) “explained in detail” (6:114), “conveyed clearly”, (5:16, 10:15) and with “no doubt” in it (2:1). Now such a book which is very clear and easy to understand and explained in detail teaches these things:

    Terror

    3:151
    We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

    (THIS IS WRITTEN We will strike terror in hearts of disbelievers and I am a fool AND FAKE-VERSE QUOTER to understand that this means STRIKING TERROR in HEARTS OF UNBELIEVERS. Actually the person who wrote this is a Great and wise man to actually mean that this means= Freedom of belief with no compulsion in converting and I am a FOOL and FAKE VERSE QUOTER! :) )

    8:60
    And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah…

    8:12
    I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. (And I am a fool to read this as an order to STRIKE OFF HEADS OF NON BELIEVERS AND FINGERTIPS. Actually this means- LOVE THEM and give them full freedom of religion!)

    Moreover Allah says of those who reject him. Because, Allah has already sentenced them to death.

  54. 54
    Ramesh AUSTRALIA Says:

    3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

    (And I am a FOOL TO QUOTE THIS “Out of Context”. And an even bigger fool to quote this FAKE VERSE in reality it means LOVE THEM! :) If this is OUT of CONTEXT then what is the CORRECT CONTEXT?)

    4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.” (EXCLUSIVE JEALOUS GOD)

    4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause – Thou art held responsible only for thyself – and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

    4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

    5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

    8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day – unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

    8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

    8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

    8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers (AND I AM A FOOL TO MISQUOTE AND ‘MISUNDERSTAND’ this “CLEAR BOOK”)

  55. 55
    Ramesh AUSTRALIA Says:

    There are 124 verses in the Quran which teach TOLERANCE AND PEACE but they were revealed when Muhammad and his followers were in a minority. Much more than them are hostile violent and full of hatred. These verses (LIKE CHAPTER 2 Verse 256 saying: “No compulsion in Religion” etc are EARLY MECCAN VERSES. They are ABROGATED AND CANCELLED by later MEDICAN VERSES which are very violent. The Quran says that in case of ambiguity follow the one which COMES LATER (“WE replace verses with better verses”). Since Chapter 9 REPENTANCE comes last and is FULL OF VIOLENT VERSES, all peaceful verses are cancelled.

    There is a concept called “Abrogation” in the Quran , and that is: The Quran was (supposedly) revealed to Muhammad in a sequence of events, the latter verses supercede and nullifies the earlier verses.

    Out of the whole Quran, there are 124 verses that teach some tolerence towards non-Muslims…but here is the striking fact….all of these verses are void, and were abrogated by the last verse (supposedly) revealed upon Muhammad, and that is verse 9:5 listed above

    Suyuti (One of the most respected authorities in Islam) in his book “Istenbat al tanzeel” says: “Every thing in the Qur’an about forgiveness is abrogated by verse 9:5.”

    Al-Shawkani in his book “Alsaylu Jarar” (4:518-519) says: “Islam is unanimous about fighting the unbelievers and forcing them to Islam or submitting and paying Jiziah (special tax paid only by Christians or Jews) or being killed. [The verses] about forgiving them are abrogated unanimously by the obligation of fighting in any case.”

    Finally here is what Muhammad the prophet of Islam himself said:

    Ibn Haban in his Sahih, vol. 14, p. 529, narrates: Muhammad said: “I swear by Him who has my soul in his hands, I was sent to you with nothing but slaughter.”

  56. 56
    Murad Khan Says:

    You can come up with thousand of verses Mr Ramesh. However that is your understanding, not what Qur’an says.. May Allah give you good understanding or Qur’an and if not accepted Islam yet may Allah show you the light of truth.

  57. 57
    Ram sevak UNITED ARAB EMIRATES Says:

    Abdul,
    Please note that the Indian people you call “Muslims of India” are the lineage of Hindus.. You have forgotten that, but we havent. Try digging up history for a change – your own family’s history would be enough to prove this forced submission.
    Thats the reason you see many Indian muslims having Hindu names and surnames.

    This ethnic cleansing of Hindus has been going on since the the Mughals first eyed India. They converted the Hindus to Muslims by either FORCE or by GREED.
    Hindu women were raped then and Hindu men and children were killed; the number going in many thousands and any attempt to document these have been nipped in the bud…

    First you take away the birth place of our Lord Ram then you restrict us from entering the area. If the Karsevaks were returning from their holy visit, 2000 of you attacked them?!! Why? To show you are very powerful?

    Yes I agree you are very powerful (you take pride in it being the world’s fastest growing religion, so I have heard) but this killing of non-muslims will also kill any existence of peace on this earth..

    Are Hindus fighting with Muslims for a temple in Mecca??? No! then why are Muslims after Ayodhya’s that very piece of land where our holiest place is???

    Basically, what is yours is yours but what is mine is negotiable???!!!

    Please let Hindus and non-muslims live in peace!!

    Why dont you talk of the genocide of the Kashmiri Pandits? Why dont you talk how neighbours raped their neighbours and neighbours killed their neighbours just because they were Hindus!!!
    Why were the houses and businesses of the Kashmiri Pandits bombed??? To drive them out and till date there is no settlement for them in Kashmir..
    Who will risk their and their families lives!!

    Why dont you talk of the displacement of the Kashmiri Pandits? Why dont you talk of the loot of the Somnath temple by that good for nothing Ghaznavi?
    Why dont you talk of the destruction of the Sharda Mandir in Kashmir?
    Why dont you talk of the destruction of the Bamiyam Buddhas?

    The Muslims in Kashmir helped the Pakistanis get access to Kashmir and destroy the Hindu heritage when actually they dont even accept Hindu Muslims – they mock them with the word “Muhajir”.

    Did Kassab see how many muslims he fired on? But still Akbaruddin Owaisi is all praises for him!!!
    Still he is in India and living freely abusing Indian godesses..

    But my question is why were so many Hindus killed by a psycho called Kassab?

    The only time terrorism on Hindus will stop is when they will be wiped out from the face of the earth. I shudder to think of what will happen..

    May Ramji give you good sense and the eyes to recognise the truth.. May HE also give good sense to terrorists who kill Hindus just because their way of connecting with HIM is different than theirs!!

  58. 58
    Sonya VENEZUELA Says:

    Always the best content from these priodgious writers.

  59. 59
    Irfan-ul-Quran is a urdu translation of holy quran in the voice of Hazrat Syed Muhammad Wajih-us-Seema Irfani (R.A.). It is very simple and understandable translation. Its the best urdu translation of holy quran for students and researchers. www.irfania.n Says:

    very good translation of ifanulquran

  60. 60
    bhagvan or allah or god Says:

    When all of you have finished why don’t you join hands and come together for the nearest good future of India and make it again the “Golden Hen”. “There is no god no religion if you are a real human.”

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