Gujarat Riots: The True Story

The Truth of the 2002 riots

The Godhra Carnage

Difference between Godhra and other tragic incidents

Several people- unable to understand the sufferings of the Hindu society- have asked- “Why did riots occur only after Godhra? Why was nobody targeted after the Akshardham temple attack- or after the attacks on Mumbai on 26 November 2008?” Well- the answers are many.

Our Challenge

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(Before reading the challenge- A REQUEST:  Please circulate this challenge.  Every opponent must see this. Innocent well-meaning people have fallen prey to the lies. Innocent Muslims have been made fanatics by the lies of self-styled secularists who have not stopped to think what the impact of their lies has been on the nation. Narendra Modi himself  has done little or nothing to bring out the truth after 2002. He did give all answers in 2002, but not after that. The BJP and Sangh Parivar people of course have neither the desire nor the capacity to counter the media lies, nor the self-confidence. Every truth-seeker and well-meaning person is requested to circulate this. Nothing will dampen the enthusiasm of the liars more than the realization that in the whole world of 700 crore people, there is not a single person who can prove that the state government was culpable, nor prove that the riots were a genocide or a massacre. They will realize that anti-Narendra Modi people like Vir Sanghvi, Vinod Dua, Rajdeep Sardesai etc can only lie in their own newspapers and TV channels, but when challenged to debate with us, they refuse to come out. Please do not undermine the impact of this challenge).

We declare an open challenge to all our opponents to prove us wrong. Our opponents can search everything written in this site- and prove us wrong on any part. Any place where we are wrong- we will accept our mistake and make the changes accordingly. Also- if anyone succeeds in proving 2 things viz:

1- The riots were a pogrom or genocide or massacre and not riots and

2- The state government was culpable

we will declare that we have been defeated.

All Indian English dailies- and others who are vociferous against Narendra Modi and call these riots as a ‘genocide’, ‘pogrom’, or ‘massacre’- and accuse the state government of being a party to the violence- are given this challenge.

People who we challenge to prove us wrong:

1- Vir Sanghvi   counterpoint@hindustantimes.com

2- Pamela Philipose  pamela.philipose@expressindia.com

3- Rajdeep Sardesai   rajdeep.sardesai@gmail.com

4- Prannoy Roy   prannoy@ndtv.com

5- Javed Anand  javedanand@rediffmail.com

6- Burkha Dutt  burkha@ndtv.com

7- Teesta Setalvad  teestateesta@rediffmail.com or teestateesta@gmail.com

8- Tarun Tejpal   tarun@tehelka.com

9- Amulya Ganguli amulyaganguli@gmail.com

10- Prafull Bidwai bidwai@bol.net.in

and many others.

Please inform about this challenge to others.

Written debates should be sent to- gujaratriots2002@yahoo.com

The email address will not be published. Those who want to debate anonymously can also do so.

People who were sent this mail but did not respond:

1- Pamela Philipose

From:  <gujaratriots2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Invitation to debate on Gujarat riots
To: pamela.philipose@expressindia.com
Cc: admin@gujaratriots.com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 7:37 PM

Dear Ms. Pamela Philipose,
You have called the Gujarat riots as a ‘pogrom’ many times in your articles. We invite you for a debate on this issue- http://www.gujaratriots.com/our-challenge/
We will publish this mail on our website. We await your response.
Regards,
Admin, Gujaratriots.com
No response has been received from her until now.
2- Rajdeep Sardesai
Wednesday, April 7, 2010 7:46 PM
From:
To:rajdeep.sardesai@gmail.com
Cc:admin@gujaratriots.com

Dear Mr Rajdeep Sardesai,
You have called the Gujarat riots as a ‘pogrom’ many times in your articles. We invite you for a debate on this issue-
http://www.gujaratriots.com/our-challenge/
We will publish this mail on our website. We await your response.
Regards,
Admin, Gujaratriots.com

No response has been received from him until now.

3- Tarun Tejpal

Friday, April 9, 2010 1:45 AM
From:
To: tarun@tehelka.com
Cc: admin@gujaratriots.com

Dear Mr Tarun Tejpal,
You have called the Gujarat riots as a ‘pogrom’ many times in your articles. We invite you for a debate on this issue-
http://www.gujaratriots.com/our-challenge/
We will publish this mail on our website. We await your response.
Regards,
Admin, Gujaratriots.com

No response has been received from him until now.

Also mails have been sent to Teesta Setalvad, Prannoy Roy, Javed Anand, Amulya Ganguli, Prafull Bidwai and Ram Punyani- and not one of them has yet responded. Of course they will not respond. Because if they do, they will be exposed as liars- since they cannot defeat us in this challenge. These ‘rationalists’ who claim to believe in reason rather than emotion, cannot logically and factually counter our arguments, and go on emotion of hatred.

Here are the debates we have had until now.

1- Debate with Jaffer Mohammad

2- Debate with Shoaib

3-Debate with Abhishek

4-Debate with Mayank

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64 Responses to “Our Challenge”

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  1. 30
    admin AUSTRALIA Says:

    Thank you for your suggestion! Yes this was on our minds as well. We are planning to get this translated in Hindi first. And then into other languages. And yes, we have approached lawyers for cases as well. And we assure you that soon, within few weeks you will see…

  2. 29
    Raj vardhan Says:

    1. I personally feel u have enough evidence to drag this biased media to court for misleading this country , what action u r going to take against media ? If not , why not ?

    A suggestion …… Convert it into every regional language so that it can connect every part of indian region nd can reach to masses …… Please do this ….. !

  3. 28
    Shivaji Says:

    Hindu of bangladesh is crying daily one bangladeshi hindu women is raped and murdered by jihadi element .in fiji hindu pm has outed in power .in pakistan hindus are murdered .but media doesnot give attention .be united i am not rss people i am a hindustani be active my hindu brothers ye phir na banaye pakistan isliye jeet lo ye hindustan.we want only peace and humanity and this will give development of the india.thanks

  4. 27
    Shivaji Says:

    This debate is a insult of gujrat progress actually media ndtv india is totally antihindu .they willnot discuss hindu discrimnation in kashmir bangladesh and pakistan but only discuss gujrat riot ehsan jafri not godhard train massacre shame to antihindu antination reporter.thanks

  5. 26
    Indian in Australia AUSTRALIA Says:

    http://www.islaminindia.org/category/13-evidence-that-islam-is-false/logical-proofs
    1- http://www.islaminindia.org/uncategorized/would-a-true-god-keep-80-humans-unaware-of-islam-his-%E2%80%98only-true-religion%E2%80%99-241

  6. 25
    indian AUSTRALIA Says:

    @Indian engineer can you pin point exactly what incorrect this site has written? Prove this site wrong. Refute them and bring your proofs. And for the record RSS has supported dalit reservation always. See k sudarshans speech on dussera in nagpur on 4 oct 2003 and mohan bhagwats speech on 6 oct 2011. For women there is a separate wing called Rashtra Sevika Sammiti which has a woman as its pramukh sanchalika i.e. chirf who is pramila medhe. Look at the service done by RSS to dalits and in calamities. Hatred is caused by those who believe Quran is gods word and quran orders them to convert or kill. Read 9:5,8:39,8:12,9:14,9:17, 9:28,9:29,9:39,9:110,9:123,8:65, etc etc.

  7. 24
    IndianEngineer SAUDI ARABIA Says:

    You people are stooges of RSS. You are the followers of Golwalkars legacy. Your ideology killed Gandhi, Your ideology divided Hindus between n number of castes.
    If RSS is working for humanity, then will you advocate for a BHNAGI to be made as Shankaracharya? Will RSS ever appoint a Dalit as Priest? Will RSS make a woman as its Sarsanghchalak?
    Will RSS support reservations for Dalits and Backwards?
    Really you people are shame on humanity.

  8. 23
    admin AUSTRALIA Says:

    Dear Admin

    I have nothing against the content of your website, seems extremely genuine, a casual reading of this website would probably exonerate narendra Modi of all the allegations he faces.

    I am, however, confused when I take this and the other goings on together and put it on a single plate, let me explain

    1. Gujarat riots has and will be the achilles heel of BJP for times to come, if the information provided by you is freely available, it is possible for BJP to get rid of their communal image and don a progressive face, then why is the BJP not making any use of this?, is the BJP not aware of the facts? I do not believe so since this is not so far down in History, another arguement can be infighting amongst BJP leaders, but the question is whether the infighting is such that they would commit political suicide together?

    Answer: There are 2 kinds of people in the BJP- those who are ideologically committed and those who are not. Those who are not, do not bother to take too much trouble to correct this. Among those who are, very few have this knowledge. . BJP now has all this information, but doesnt seem to make any use of it. It could be due to sheer brain paralysis, or due to their ‘some secret strategy’ or any other reeason. One leader of the RSS said that “The perception that ‘Muslims were taught a lesson’ in Gujarat” is there in the outside world. Many Hindus are happy with Narendra Modi for that and they will feel very disappointed if the truth comes out, that even in Gujarat what happened was not one-sided.” This was in May 2008. He also said that had Modi lost the 2007 Gujarat polls, then there would have been a need to bring out all these things, but since Modi won, this subject is closed and there is no need to bring it out again.

    2. There have been various agencies which are probing the riots, have you ever appeared before those agencies and provided them with these documents?

    Answer: We have no locus standi to do this. We have given this information to many high ups. We think some of this information may have been given to the agencies by some people who were probed, such as Narendra Modi himself in his questioning with SIT on 27 March 2010.

    3. You have produced contents from various newspapers, how sure are you that the correspondents had documentary evidence and that it was not heresay

    Answer: Very sure. We also have official records which match absolutely with the newspapers’ reports. Most of the information that we have taken is from very biased anti-BJP papers who have made huge allegations on BJP and Narendra Modi- such as The Times of India, The Hindu, The Indian Express etc. These papers have lied AGAINST Narendra Modi, so there is no reason why these papers will report facts in favour of Narendra Modi wrongly. If these anti-BJP papers have written these facts in favour of Narendra Modi, then they must be true, and the truth may be even more. For example, The Hindu reported on 1 March 2002 that on 28 Feb, the first day of the riots, 10 people were shot dead by police. What it did not report was that at least 2 others were also shot dead outside Ahmedabad (something reported by The Telegraph), and that 16 were also injured, and that police arrested as many as 700 people on the first day, even though the situation was out of control, or that 827 preventive arrests were made, etc. Actually, the bias of these papers can be seen from the fact that not one of them reported the steps taken by the administration fully. Some papers reported some steps, others some steps, which had to compiled together.

    Also, we have official records which also state the same things.

    4. If there are indeed documents available to prove the truth of the riots, why are all agencies Supreme Court of this country included are dragging their feet, brings me to the basic question did you make these documents available to them? if not why not?

    Answer: As said earlier, we have no locus standi to make these documents available to the courts. We have tried to give them to those concerned and hope they use them. We also have original documents of these things. What we tried to do after writing this book in May 2007 was to create a website. We were saying for 1 year to many on the need to create a website- but no help was got. Finally in May 2008 with the help of someone in USA we managed to launch this site, on our own.

    5. Will you, instead of keeping this a mere propaganda, try to pursue cases in courts of law in India?

    Answer: We have advocated filing of defamation suits against the media in general, and Tehelka in particular.The author is a 23-year old guy who wrote this book when he was 19. The idiots advised him to file a case at 19 (how can he do that- when he had no lawyers, no experience, no locus standi and he was a student etc). We have talked to many senior lawyers here about filing defamation cases, who have tried to contact a lawyers’ association. There is a limit to what we can do.

    You see why I am confused, I am not challenging anything which you have re-produced but the fact that none of this is public for quiet sometime really disturbs me and makes me question the veracity of what has been given here, waiting to hear from you

    Answer: We have tried our best to make this public. The author used to write many articles for many papers (none of which was published by any paper). Even RSS weekly Organiser hasn’t published his one article on the post-Godhra riots, though it has on Godhra and other issues. Organiser has also published some articles by others in bringing out the truth of the riots. The editor of weekly Organiser says that Organiser will not keep on raising the issue of the Gujarat riots and will move on- the media wants to stick to 2002 and ignore the work done in Gujarat. One Marathi daily from Nagpur published his article in 2005. At last many in the BJP and RSS are awakening about the need to make this information public. You may give a thanx to the author for helping in achieve this!

  9. 22
    Karthikeyan M INDIA Says:

    Dear Admin

    I have nothing against the content of your website, seems extremely genuine, a casual reading of this website would probably exonerate narendra Modi of all the allegations he faces.

    I am, however, confused when I take this and the other goings on together and put it on a single plate, let me explain

    1. Gujarat riots has and will be the achilles heel of BJP for times to come, if the information provided by you is freely available, it is possible for BJP to get rid of their communal image and don a progressive face, then why is the BJP not making any use of this?, is the BJP not aware of the facts? I do not believe so since this is not so far down in History, another arguement can be infighting amongst BJP leaders, but the question is whether the infighting is such that they would commit political suicide together?

    2. There have been various agencies which are probing the riots, have you ever appeared before those agencies and provided them with these documents?

    3. You have produced contents from various newspapers, how sure are you that the correspondents had documentary evidence and that it was not heresay

    4. If there are indeed documents available to prove the truth of the riots, why are all agencies Supreme Court of this country included are dragging their feet, brings me to the basic question did you make these documents available to them? if not why not?

    5. Will you, instead of keeping this a mere propaganda, try to pursue cases in courts of law in India?

    You see why I am confused, I am not challenging anything which you have re-produced but the fact that none of this is public for quiet sometime really disturbs me and makes me question the veracity of what has been given here, waiting to hear from you

    Regards

    Karthik

  10. 21
    xyz UNITED STATES Says:

    Bunch of Losers!!!

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