(Before reading the challenge- A REQUEST: Please circulate this challenge. Every opponent must see this. Innocent well-meaning people have fallen prey to the lies. Innocent Muslims have been made fanatics by the lies of self-styled secularists who have not stopped to think what the impact of their lies has been on the nation. Narendra Modi himself has done little or nothing to bring out the truth after 2002. He did give all answers in 2002, but not after that. The BJP and Sangh Parivar people of course have neither the desire nor the capacity to counter the media lies, nor the self-confidence. Every truth-seeker and well-meaning person is requested to circulate this. Nothing will dampen the enthusiasm of the liars more than the realization that in the whole world of 700 crore people, there is not a single person who can prove that the state government was culpable, nor prove that the riots were a genocide or a massacre. They will realize that anti-Narendra Modi people like Vir Sanghvi, Vinod Dua, Rajdeep Sardesai etc can only lie in their own newspapers and TV channels, but when challenged to debate with us, they refuse to come out. Please do not undermine the impact of this challenge.)
We declare an open challenge to all our opponents to prove us wrong. Our opponents can search everything written in this site- and prove us wrong on any part. Any place where we are wrong- we will accept our mistake and make the changes accordingly. Also- if anyone succeeds in proving 2 things viz:
1- The riots were a pogrom or genocide or massacre and not riots and
2- The state government was culpable
we will declare that we have been defeated.
All Indian English dailies- and others who are vociferous against Narendra Modi and call these riots as a ‘genocide’, ‘pogrom’, or ‘massacre’- and accuse the state government of being a party to the violence- are given this challenge.
People who we challenge to prove us wrong:
1- Vir Sanghvi counterpoint@hindustantimes.com
2- Pamela Philipose pamela.philipose@expressindia.com
3- Rajdeep Sardesai rajdeep.sardesai@gmail.com
4- Prannoy Roy prannoy@ndtv.com
5- Javed Anand javedanand@rediffmail.com
6- Burkha Dutt burkha@ndtv.com
7- Teesta Setalvad teestateesta@rediffmail.com or teestateesta@gmail.com
8- Tarun Tejpal tarun@tehelka.com
9- Amulya Ganguli amulyaganguli@gmail.com
10- Prafull Bidwai bidwai@bol.net.in
and many others.
Please inform about this challenge to others.
Written debates should be sent to- admin@gujaratriots.com
The email address will not be published. Those who want to debate anonymously can also do so.
People who were sent this mail but did not respond:
1- Pamela Philipose
From: <gujaratriots2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Invitation to debate on Gujarat riots
To: pamela.philipose@expressindia.com
Cc: admin@gujaratriots.com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 7:37 PM
| Dear Ms. Pamela Philipose, You have called the Gujarat riots as a ‘pogrom’ many times in your articles. We invite you for a debate on this issue- http://www.gujaratriots.com/our-challenge/ We will publish this mail on our website. We await your response. Regards, Admin, Gujaratriots.com No response has been received from her until now.2- Rajdeep Sardesai |
Dear Mr Rajdeep Sardesai,
You have called the Gujarat riots as a ‘pogrom’ many times in your articles. We invite you for a debate on this issue-
http://www.gujaratriots.com/our-challenge/
We will publish this mail on our website. We await your response.
Regards,
Admin, Gujaratriots.com
No response has been received from him until now.
3- Tarun Tejpal
Dear Mr Tarun Tejpal,
You have called the Gujarat riots as a ‘pogrom’ many times in your articles. We invite you for a debate on this issue-
http://www.gujaratriots.com/our-challenge/
We will publish this mail on our website. We await your response.
Regards,
Admin, Gujaratriots.com
No response has been received from him until now.
Also mails have been sent to Teesta Setalvad, Prannoy Roy, Javed Anand, Amulya Ganguli, Prafull Bidwai and Ram Punyani- and not one of them has yet responded. Of course they will not respond. Because if they do, they will be exposed as liars- since they cannot defeat us in this challenge. These ‘rationalists’ who claim to believe in reason rather than emotion, cannot logically and factually counter our arguments, and go on emotion of hatred.
Here are the debates we have had until now.
You have clearly shown in book on Gujarat Riots the casualty figures in Parliament as given by Mr Sriprakash Jaiswal,MoH in May,2005 as:Killed 790 Muslims, 254 Hindu indicating the riot was not one sided i.e. Hindus died of Police bullets and Muslim violence. The former absolves the Gujarat govt. of Mr Narendra Modi of any inaction on its part. SC Panda.
nice work.
keep it up.
have one question though.
please also elaborate on bilqees bano, and other related incidents.
helps in getting all material under one roof.
also please provide as many links to the source websites as possible. a single source is usually not enough 4 some fellows out there.
sadly, looking at some of the comments i was reminded of a quote i read some time ago. If a man does not want to believe, no amount of reasoning is sufficient.
Satyamev Jayate
“Prannoy Roy” ,
prannoy@ndtv.com
@Dr Yogesh Patel,
Thank you for giving the email address of Prannoy Roy. If you have any further such information- do share it with us.
@Pratish,
We are working on that point- trying to put more information.
Kindly specify where- in your opinion- we need to put more links- pinpoint the places and tell us. You can also drop a mail at admin@gujaratriots.com for any further suggestions.
Regards
Admin
Godhra, what happened?
See
http://rcscwc.blogspot.com/2010/03/godhra-what-happened.html
That gives enough material to rebut Pronoy, Rajdeep, Vir Sanghvi, Karan Thapar etc. Channles/papers they work for say something.
ram.puniyani@gmail.com ,
This is commendable effort. World must know what Gujarat and Gujarati unity means. How well progressed Gujaratis are. They must STOP harassing Gujaratis in the name of secularism.
To start with, let us just understand what secularism come to mean in Indian context.
SECULARISM
1. Don’t treat as a campaign for B.J.P.
2. Are you a secularist, then please answer these questions for yourself :
3. There are roughly 52 Muslim countries, show one Muslim country which provides Haj subsidy.
4. Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that Muslims are accorded in India;
5. Show one country where 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the 15% minority;
6. Show one Muslim country, which has a non – Muslim as its President or Prime-Minister.
7. Show one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a fatwa against terrorists.
8. Hindu majority – Maharashtra, Bihar, kerala, Pondicherry etc… have in the past elected Muslims as CMs… Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the C.M. of Muslim majority?
9. In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population was in Pakistan was 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu population ihn East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%… now it is 7%. What happened to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?
10. In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% to about 14% today; whereas the Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in 1951 to 85% in 1991. Do you still think that Hindus are fundamentalists?
11. In India today, Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and Madrassas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loud speakers that there is no God except Allah?
12. When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura and kashi?
13. Why Gandhi-ji objected to the decision of the cabinet and insisted that Somnath temple be reconstructed out of public fund, not government funds? When in January 1948, he pressurised Nehru and Patel to carry on the renovation of the Mosque at Delhi at government expenses?
14. Why Gandhi-ji supported Khilafat movement (nothing to do with our freedom movement) and what in turn he got?
15. if Muslims and Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar, etc..; are not Hindus in minority in J. & K., Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya etc…? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states?
16. When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amernath, Mana-Sarovar, kailash & Sabarimalai taxed?
17. When Christians & Muslims schools can teach Bible and Quran, .. Why Hindus cannot teach Gita or Ramayan in our schools?
18. Do you admit that the Hindus do have a problems that need to be recognized? Or do you think that those who call themselves the Hindus are them selves the problem?
19. Why post- Godhra is blown out of proportion when no one talks of the ethnic cleansing of 4 lakhs Hindus from Kashmir?
20. Do you consider that Sanskrit is communal, and Urdu is Secular? Mandir is Communal & Masjid is Secular? Sadhu is Communal and Imam is Secular? BJP is Communal and Muslim League is Secular? Dr. Pravin-Bhai Togadia is is Anti-national and Bukhari is Secular? Vande Mataram is Communal and Allah-O- Akbar is Secular? Shriman is Communal and Mian is Secular? Hinduism is Communal and Islam is Secular? Hindutva is Communal and Jihadism is Secular? And at last Bharat is Communal and Italy is Secular?
21. Why temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, When they are free to spend their money in any way they like?
22. When Uniform is made compulsory for school children, why there is no Uniform Civil Code for citizens?
23. In what way , J. & K. is different from Maharashtra, Tamilnadu, or UP to have Article 370?
24. Abdul Rehman Antulay was made a trustee of the famous Siddi Vinayak Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai… Can a Hindu say, – Mulayam or Lalloo – ever become a trustee of a Masjid or Madrassa?
25. Dr. Pravinbhai Togadia has been arrested many times on flimsy grounds. Has the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi, Ahmed Bukhari been arrested for claiming to be an I.S.I. agent and advocating partition of Bharat?
26. A Muslim President, A Hindu P.M. and a Christian Defense Minister run the affairs of the Nation with a unity of purpose. Can this happen anywhere except in a Hindu Nation – Bharat? JAI HIND !
27. Please forward this to as many Indians as possible. “ Hinduism is not a religion, it is a way of life.” – Swami Vivekanand.
This is brilliant and you deserve congratulations.Itis high time we should hold demonstrations at High ommission.Do you know that the minister of co-ordination and scurity head are muslim officers at our high commission London.
Kindly read this article by Mr. Kumar of Hyderabad settled in USA and standing for coming election in Tennessee.
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/03/26/the-wrong-way-to-stand-against-jihad/
The world and esp. India has got to open their eyes wide. Otherwise …. well !!!
great work please also link the tehelka sting operation where your own beloveds of narainder modi openly praise him to help them on the massacre.
@Sufi
http://www.gujaratriots.com/44/tehelka-lies/
These people were indulging in BOASTFUL LIES- read this whole chapter to understand the truth. And if you are so sure Modi government was culpable- why dont you accept the challenge and prove this site’s arguments as wrong- based on your evidence?
Good Questions arose by Srikant.
Now remember this fact
” When any religion leads towards perfectness it leads to Hindutva cause Hindutva is sanatan which means no origin and no end . ”
those who say muslims is religion of god… please go to the depth of origin of muslim religion with true heart….. go to the depth of history….. find out whats there at RAMALLAH = Ram + Allah ………
mr srikant let me give youa information
about hinduism which you lack
pandit ravi shankar in his speech said
there is no hindu religion in the world hindus are ppl who live in hindustan . soevery muslim living in india is a hindu. idiot
Srikant :
Out of your 27 points ,atleast 25 are baseless. Now here are my points which have meaning :
– You claim hinduism as Secular, Why you didnot discuss about the Babri Masjid Demolition. If Babri masjid would not have been brought down, MUMBAI SERIAL BLAST would have been averted. But ..your favourite MR Advanci wanted to win the election on the cost of human blood. Now who is to be blame here..Hindu or Muslim….and now alse if you give poor reasons then you are uneducated.
– Why you are discussong about the Hindu Extremist responsible for Ajmer Blast…
The Wrong Way to Fight Jihad
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Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Vijay Kumar, who is currently running for the U.S. Congress as a Republican candidate for Tennessee 5th Congressional District. The Primary vote comes on August 5 of this year, and the General Election is on November 4. When he ran before, in 2008, he received about 30% of the vote in Republican Primary. His website is kumarforcongress.com. Visit his blog at kumarforcongress.net.
FP: Vijay Kumar, welcome to Frontpage Interview.
You are one of the rare individuals running for office in America who is actually making the issue of Islamic Jihad a significant part of your campaign. Tell us your view of Islamic Jihad and the background you have to make you see it the way you do.
Kumar: I am a native of Hyderabad, India, which is where I first encountered the Muslim culture. We have a substantial number of Muslims there, a higher percentage than most other parts of India, and I began to observe things that troubled me. Later, I traveled a number of Islamic nations, and I lived in Iran from 1976 to 1979, during the Islamic Revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini. I immigrated to the United States in 1979. All my life, I have been interested in political thought. During my travels, I came to realize that Islam is unlike any of the other world religions for a variety of reasons, and they summate to the Islamic ideology behind Jihad.
First, Islam was conceived as a world empire to govern all mankind. It teaches that all the world, and everyone and everything in it, already belongs to Islam–some people just haven’t been made to understand that. Until they have, according to Islam, they are considered “infidels” and inferiors. Put another way, the Islamic view is that all of us in the world are subjects of the Islamic Empire, and those of us who do not acknowledge our subjugation to it must be overcome and brought to submission, through conversion or force. No other religion in the world has such a purpose of world conquest and domination.
Second, Islam does not allow any introspection or self-criticism. It calls for total acceptance, total submission. The very word “Islam” means “submission,” and the word “Muslim” means “one who submits.” The other side of submission, of course, is domination. Islam seeks to dominate every individual and every nation into submission. In that, it shares a key element of slavery, which the civilized world has properly decried and abolished. Such submission is a political act. I am a freeman, and I refuse to submit to Islamic hegemony.
Third, Islam does not have any exit policy for its believers. The act of submission required to become a Muslim is held to be final, irrevocable, and permanent. So criticizing or questioning Islam or its teachings or leaders, or attempting to leave Islam, all are considered severe crimes against Islam, punishable by death.
In contrast, non-Islamic religions allow for dissenting views, introspection, and reasoned debate. In non-Islamic religions, if you so choose, you can leave the faith you were born into without being threatened with physical violence or death. In Islam, both criticism of the faith and apostasy are capital offenses.
All of that is what drives Jihad: Jihad is a permanent war against the unbeliever and his land to bring about his submission. It has been going on for fourteen centuries all over the world, which is why I coined the term “Universal Jihad.” Islam’s Universal Jihad is the single greatest threat to Western civilization and to the entire non-Islamic world in general. It is more dangerous than Nazism and Communism combined.
FP: More dangerous than Nazism and Communism combined? Please explain this perspective.
Kumar: Nazism was in power for 15 years or so. Communism was in power for about 70 years. Today, Germany, Japan, and Russia, our former adversaries, are now our allies. Also, they are liberal democracies.
Nazism, Communism, and Islam are all three totalitarian ideologies. Communism and Nazism, though, lack a system of transcendental metaphysics, which Islam has. Nazism and Communism do not claim to be religions, and there is no threat of hell-fire to hold over its adherents. By contrast, Islam is a totalitarian form of governance that also claims to be a religion, and so has proved to be far more sustainable than any other form of aggressive totalitarianism.
The doctrine and politics of Universal Jihad have been assaulting the world for 1,400 years. It is exactly what launched the Christian Crusades, which were an attempt to save European civilization from the relentless onslaught and wholesale murder of invading Muslim forces.
Under Universal Jihad, non-Muslim civilizations have been annihilated. To mention just a few examples: Turkey was Christian; Iran was Zoroastrian; North Africa and the Middle East were predominantly Christian; Afghanistan and Central Asia were Buddhist; Pakistan was Hindu; Egypt was Coptic, orthodox Christian. All have fallen prey to invasion by Islam.
Today, Universal Jihad has been brought to the West–not just by overt violence, but through every strategy and tactic conceivable. Islam is not just the faith of another immigrant group; it is a complete political and paramilitary ideology. Political Islam is here to Islamize the Western nations, and that includes the United States.
So Universal Jihad is a permanent form of warfare against the infidels, their nation-states, and every non-Islamic form of government in the world. It has been Islam’s mandate for 1,400 years that other cultures must submit to it. Islam is devoted to an eternally-unchanging doctrine: it is obligated to conquer entire world.
No one needs to take my word for it. Syed Abul A’ala Maududi, a Pakistani, was arguably the most influential Muslim theologian and thinker of the 20th Century. He said the following point-blank:
“Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and program . . . [T]he objective of Islamic Jihad is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish in its stead an Islamic system of State rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single State or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution.”
Any Muslim or apologist who claims otherwise, or who insists that Islam is just “a religion of peace” is not arguing against me: they are arguing against their own most revered leaders and experts on Islam and its true purpose. They are spreading Islamic propaganda that has no other purpose than to lull the infidel into a false sense of friendship and security.
Such propaganda is a primary and vitally important tool of Islam’s psychological warfare. Syed Abul A’ala Maududi also spelled out clearly how many different ways Universal Jihad is to be waged against ”the infidels”:
“In the jihad in the way of Allah, active combat is not always the role on the battlefield, nor can everyone fight in the front line. Just for one single battle preparations have often to be made for decades on end and the plans deeply laid, and while only some thousands fight in the front line there are behind them millions engaged in various tasks which, though small themselves, contribute directly to the supreme effort.”
Unlike any other religion anywhere in the world, Islam’s clear, inarguable overarching purpose is Universal Jihad and global conquest, using any means. It is not waged just through terrorism and violent conflict. That is an extraordinarily naive view. Islam also uses psychological warfare, propaganda, covert operations, infiltration, and demographic saturation.
Universal Jihad exists and no amount liberal “political correctness” is going to wish it away. It is here on the soil of the United States right this minute. Its openly-declared goal is to destroy the United States as a system of government, to tear up our Constitution, and subject us all to Islamic totalitarianism under Sharia law.
FP: Let me ask you this: World War I was won in four years, World War II was won in six years. But the Israel/Palestine and the India/Pakistan conflicts have not resolved after 62 years. Why do you think?
Kumar: It’s simple: Muslims do not want peace, they want conquest. When they enter into an alleged “peace accord,” it is only a ploy to buy time to build their position for ultimate conquest. This is by their own creed: in Islam’s system of “ethics,” it is perfectly acceptable to lie to mere infidels.
In the case of Israel, the West has never been 100% behind Israeli sovereignty. Both the West and Israel have always only wanted to buy truce with the Islamic nations–never peace. It is an endless case of appeasement that puts Neville Chamberlain to shame.
As I have said before, and as history proves conclusively and invariably, Islam does not recognize pluralism, and Islam never wants a lasting peace with any non-Islamic people or states. When Muslims are in a relatively weak position they may offer truce–a temporary agreement–but never lasting peace. Even a cursory study of the treaties made by Muhammad proves at once that every Islamic treaty is merely another tactic toward ultimate conquest and domination. He set the standard for using treaties as a path to conquest.
Since then, Islam has been waging a relentless war for the past 1,400 years against every non-Muslim within their reach. In the last century, technological advances have extended the reach of the Muslim world considerably. Anybody who believes that it’s suddenly going to change–for any reason, through any amount of “diplomacy”–is either grossly uninformed or delusional.
Islamic imperialists have no desire at all for peaceful coexistence with Israel. They want to annihilate the “Zionist Entity.” By the way, during the last 60 years, Israel has absorbed more than a million Sephardic Jews from Arab countries. The Arab nations, on the other hand, refuse to absorb two million Palestinians. It’s a sad irony that two million Palestinians are considered so important while at the same time the suffering inflicted upon 50 million Kurdish people by Muslim nations goes almost unnoticed, unremarked.
Muslims do not recognize the right to existence of either Israel or India. They simply consider them roadblocks to world conquest that need to be removed, no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes. Universal Jihad is infinite, endless war against the infidel. It has been formally, blatantly declared. To the Muslim, Jewish Israel and Hindu India are nothing more than inferior infidel nation-states that must be torn down and brought under Islamic control.
Remember this: Kashmir was a Hindu land continuously for 5,000 years. That’s over twice as long as the time that has passed since the birth of Christ. Islam went there as an imperial force, subjugated the local people, and conquered them, both politically and demographically, after 5,000 years of Hindu peace and civilization. Hence, today the Kashmiri Hindus are refugees in their own land. They have been reduced to a minority.
It is not Kashmir alone. Now Muslims of India wants Mughalstan, the Land of Mugal empire. They want to build an Islamic state from Pakistan to Bangladesh that includes the entirety of north India.
Every year, we are paying Islamic tribute to Pakistan, Egypt, and Palestinians in hopes of maintaining a tenuous truce. We are not really giving them “aid.” It is nothing but Islamic tribute to keep them at bay.
It’s really too simple for anyone to try to complicate it: Islam wants the entire world to submit. India and Israel are simply two obstacles or roadblocks to that goal. If they can get Israel and India to disappear from the face of earth, Islamic Umma–community, or “nation” in the larger sense–would be one unified imperialism from Morocco to Indonesia. Then it would be Europe’s turn to be annihilated.
FP: How do we best win the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq in your opinion?
Kumar: It can’t be overstated or said too many times that these are merely the current fronts of open conflict in Universal Jihad. In fact, it plays into the purposes of Universal Jihadists for the Western world to be fixated on isolated actions in various geographical locations, and thereby never see the bigger picture.
Universal Jihad is an ideology, a doctrine, that is fixed and unchanging. Waging battles of force and military action alone– especially on Islam’s home turf–and continuing to send troops out as reaction to the latest flare-ups or hot-spots in Islam’s endless war will never succeed. Never.
That’s also why the idea of a “War on Terror” is absurd. Terrorism is nothing more than one of the many technique and tactics used to advance Islam’s political ideology. On this subject of terrorism, groups like the Taliban are a bunch of obedient foot soldiers. They are what Karl Marx called the “lumpen-proletariat.” Allow me to direct your attention to the fact that we never see Islamic Imams–religious leaders–blowing themselves up. If martyrdom is such a high holy act, as Islam’s leaders preach, why aren’t they the ones strapping on the explosives? It’s a curious case of “do as I say, not as I do.”
Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan form the Axis of Universal Jihad. Unless and until we address the leaders of this Axis of Jihad, and the militaristic ideology of world domination that is their chief export, there is no possibility for peace in the future for humanity.
The real power behind Universal Jihad, in all of its manifestations, lies with the Pakistani ISI–the intelligence services of Pakistan–along with the Pakistani military, the Pakistani feudal elite, and the Islamic theological leaders. As a nation-state, Pakistan exists for two reasons: its pathological hatred of India and Hindus, and its parasitic dependence on American aid. Their leaders’ battle cry is always “Islam in danger” when they want to stoke the fires of Jihad, and of course Muslims are commanded by the Quran to go forth immediately when called to fight by their Islamic leaders. (part -1)
stop this non-sense Chirag… this is not about Gujarati …or Muslims ..it is about Indians….u should consider yourself as bhartiya before being judge-mental through religion.
“9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.” Quran Chapter 9 Verse 5…… This is one of the reasons why riots happen in India alongwith 2:191, 2:216, 3:28, 4:74 etc. RSS, VHP are organizations whose presence is very important in our society as a symbol of Hindu strength. I hope people recognize that the theory “Politicians divide us but all citizens of India are united” is a hoax. Quran causes the divide.
Bunch of Losers!!!
Dear Admin
I have nothing against the content of your website, seems extremely genuine, a casual reading of this website would probably exonerate narendra Modi of all the allegations he faces.
I am, however, confused when I take this and the other goings on together and put it on a single plate, let me explain
1. Gujarat riots has and will be the achilles heel of BJP for times to come, if the information provided by you is freely available, it is possible for BJP to get rid of their communal image and don a progressive face, then why is the BJP not making any use of this?, is the BJP not aware of the facts? I do not believe so since this is not so far down in History, another arguement can be infighting amongst BJP leaders, but the question is whether the infighting is such that they would commit political suicide together?
2. There have been various agencies which are probing the riots, have you ever appeared before those agencies and provided them with these documents?
3. You have produced contents from various newspapers, how sure are you that the correspondents had documentary evidence and that it was not heresay
4. If there are indeed documents available to prove the truth of the riots, why are all agencies Supreme Court of this country included are dragging their feet, brings me to the basic question did you make these documents available to them? if not why not?
5. Will you, instead of keeping this a mere propaganda, try to pursue cases in courts of law in India?
You see why I am confused, I am not challenging anything which you have re-produced but the fact that none of this is public for quiet sometime really disturbs me and makes me question the veracity of what has been given here, waiting to hear from you
Regards
Karthik
Answer: There are 2 kinds of people in the BJP- those who are ideologically committed and those who are not. Those who are not, do not bother to take too much trouble to correct this. Among those who are, very few have this knowledge. . BJP now has all this information, but doesnt seem to make any use of it. It could be due to sheer brain paralysis, or due to their ‘some secret strategy’ or any other reeason. One leader of the RSS said that “The perception that ‘Muslims were taught a lesson’ in Gujarat” is there in the outside world. Many Hindus are happy with Narendra Modi for that and they will feel very disappointed if the truth comes out, that even in Gujarat what happened was not one-sided.” This was in May 2008. He also said that had Modi lost the 2007 Gujarat polls, then there would have been a need to bring out all these things, but since Modi won, this subject is closed and there is no need to bring it out again.
Answer: We have no locus standi to do this. We have given this information to many high ups. We think some of this information may have been given to the agencies by some people who were probed, such as Narendra Modi himself in his questioning with SIT on 27 March 2010.
Answer: Very sure. We also have official records which match absolutely with the newspapers’ reports. Most of the information that we have taken is from very biased anti-BJP papers who have made huge allegations on BJP and Narendra Modi- such as The Times of India, The Hindu, The Indian Express etc. These papers have lied AGAINST Narendra Modi, so there is no reason why these papers will report facts in favour of Narendra Modi wrongly. If these anti-BJP papers have written these facts in favour of Narendra Modi, then they must be true, and the truth may be even more. For example, The Hindu reported on 1 March 2002 that on 28 Feb, the first day of the riots, 10 people were shot dead by police. What it did not report was that at least 2 others were also shot dead outside Ahmedabad (something reported by The Telegraph), and that 16 were also injured, and that police arrested as many as 700 people on the first day, even though the situation was out of control, or that 827 preventive arrests were made, etc. Actually, the bias of these papers can be seen from the fact that not one of them reported the steps taken by the administration fully. Some papers reported some steps, others some steps, which had to compiled together.
Also, we have official records which also state the same things.
Answer: As said earlier, we have no locus standi to make these documents available to the courts. We have tried to give them to those concerned and hope they use them. We also have original documents of these things. What we tried to do after writing this book in May 2007 was to create a website. We were saying for 1 year to many on the need to create a website- but no help was got. Finally in May 2008 with the help of someone in USA we managed to launch this site, on our own.
Answer: We have advocated filing of defamation suits against the media in general, and Tehelka in particular.The author is a 23-year old guy who wrote this book when he was 19. The idiots advised him to file a case at 19 (how can he do that- when he had no lawyers, no experience, no locus standi and he was a student etc). We have talked to many senior lawyers here about filing defamation cases, who have tried to contact a lawyers’ association. There is a limit to what we can do.
Answer: We have tried our best to make this public. The author used to write many articles for many papers (none of which was published by any paper). Even RSS weekly Organiser hasn’t published his one article on the post-Godhra riots, though it has on Godhra and other issues. Organiser has also published some articles by others in bringing out the truth of the riots. The editor of weekly Organiser says that Organiser will not keep on raising the issue of the Gujarat riots and will move on- the media wants to stick to 2002 and ignore the work done in Gujarat. One Marathi daily from Nagpur published his article in 2005. At last many in the BJP and RSS are awakening about the need to make this information public. You may give a thanx to the author for helping in achieve this!
You people are stooges of RSS. You are the followers of Golwalkars legacy. Your ideology killed Gandhi, Your ideology divided Hindus between n number of castes.
If RSS is working for humanity, then will you advocate for a BHNAGI to be made as Shankaracharya? Will RSS ever appoint a Dalit as Priest? Will RSS make a woman as its Sarsanghchalak?
Will RSS support reservations for Dalits and Backwards?
Really you people are shame on humanity.
@Indian engineer can you pin point exactly what incorrect this site has written? Prove this site wrong. Refute them and bring your proofs. And for the record RSS has supported dalit reservation always. See k sudarshans speech on dussera in nagpur on 4 oct 2003 and mohan bhagwats speech on 6 oct 2011. For women there is a separate wing called Rashtra Sevika Sammiti which has a woman as its pramukh sanchalika i.e. chirf who is pramila medhe. Look at the service done by RSS to dalits and in calamities. Hatred is caused by those who believe Quran is gods word and quran orders them to convert or kill. Read 9:5,8:39,8:12,9:14,9:17, 9:28,9:29,9:39,9:110,9:123,8:65, etc etc.
http://www.islaminindia.org/category/13-evidence-that-islam-is-false/logical-proofs
1- http://www.islaminindia.org/uncategorized/would-a-true-god-keep-80-humans-unaware-of-islam-his-%E2%80%98only-true-religion%E2%80%99-241
This debate is a insult of gujrat progress actually media ndtv india is totally antihindu .they willnot discuss hindu discrimnation in kashmir bangladesh and pakistan but only discuss gujrat riot ehsan jafri not godhard train massacre shame to antihindu antination reporter.thanks
Hindu of bangladesh is crying daily one bangladeshi hindu women is raped and murdered by jihadi element .in fiji hindu pm has outed in power .in pakistan hindus are murdered .but media doesnot give attention .be united i am not rss people i am a hindustani be active my hindu brothers ye phir na banaye pakistan isliye jeet lo ye hindustan.we want only peace and humanity and this will give development of the india.thanks
1. I personally feel u have enough evidence to drag this biased media to court for misleading this country , what action u r going to take against media ? If not , why not ?
A suggestion …… Convert it into every regional language so that it can connect every part of indian region nd can reach to masses …… Please do this ….. !
Thank you for your suggestion! Yes this was on our minds as well. We are planning to get this translated in Hindi first. And then into other languages. And yes, we have approached lawyers for cases as well. And we assure you that soon, within few weeks you will see…
Sir,
Kindly send me post-address.
Thanks,
……Renuka.
Whose post address and why Madam?
Sir, I am not an expert in the arguments.
But I can tell you I am not happy with BJP or 2002. The former because:
I am one of the large constituency in the India that is instinctively uncomfortable with the congress culture. But it is more difficult to support a party that is inconsistent at times and cannot bury its extremist thinking. I am Hindu, Brahmin, but I feel it makes more sense to me when I say I am an Indian. It may be correct to be a child organization of RSS or VHP legally, but when you have a stature as a national party it is better to behave liberally on the issue of Hinduism. I don’t say BJP condemns Islam. But its rhetoric is more Hindu. It is better if it avoids it. Congress is seen as secular because it doesn’t have the religion in its rhetoric, though bad and good exists in every religion and party. I believe BJP will have a great future if it revisits its approach on Hinduism.
And for 2002, it is worst, because it exposed the limitations of BJP not only to India, but also to the world. Congress lost Gujarat for more than a while but benefitted in exploiting the minority vote. It is just threating in the name of 2002. And it makes me more angry that because of this, the liberals who also suffered from Muslim appeasement, lost a chance to say, ‘BJP IS THE REAL SECULAR PARTY WHICH DOESN’T APPEASE ANYONE’.
@indian engnr U muslims live in india bt sprt pakistan. I hw seen it many times. Would u muslims declare fatwa against any terrorist.? Y u oppressed hindus frm early age .? Y dere is muslims invld in terrorism tagging it as jihad on d name of rlgn . As far as Rss , here anyone of any cast clr n rlgn can b a membr of Rss by just saying VANDE MATRAM. Y u dont raise voice agnst muslim atrocities on hindus in porkistan n bangladesh? Shame on muslims like u bt nt on all.