Our Challenge
We declare an open challenge to all our opponents to prove us wrong. Our opponents can search everything written in this site- and prove us wrong on any part. Any place where we are wrong- we will accept our mistake and make the changes accordingly. Also- if anyone succeeds in proving 2 things viz:
1- The riots were a pogrom or genocide or massacre and not riots and
2- The state government was culpable
we will declare that we have been defeated.
All Indian English dailies- and others who are vociferous against Narendra Modi and call these riots as a ‘genocide’, ‘pogrom’, or ‘massacre’- and accuse the state government of being a party to the violence- are given this challenge.
People who we challenge to prove us wrong:
1- Vir Sanghvi counterpoint@hindustantimes.com
2- Pamela Philipose pamela.philipose@expressindia.com
3- Rajdeep Sardesai rajdeep.sardesai@gmail.com
4- Prannoy Roy prannoy@ndtv.com
5- Javed Anand javedanand@rediffmail.com
6- Burkha Dutt burkha@ndtv.com
7- Teesta Setalvad teestateesta@rediffmail.com
8- Tarun Tejpal tarun@tehelka.com
and many others.
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People who were sent this mail but did not respond:
1- Pamela Philipose
From: <gujaratriots2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Invitation to debate on Gujarat riots
To: pamela.philipose@expressindia.com
Cc: admin@gujaratriots.com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 7:37 PM
| Dear Ms. Pamela Philipose, You have called the Gujarat riots as a ‘pogrom’ many times in your articles. We invite you for a debate on this issue- http://www.gujaratriots.com/our-challenge/ We will publish this mail on our website. We await your response. Regards, Admin, Gujaratriots.com No response has been received from her until now. 2- Rajdeep Sardesai Wednesday, April 7, 2010 7:46 PM
Dear Mr Rajdeep Sardesai, No response has been received from him until now. 3- Tarun Tejpal Friday, April 9, 2010 1:45 AM
Dear Mr Tarun Tejpal, No response has been received from him until now. Also mails have been sent to Teesta Setalvad, Prannoy Roy, Javed Anand and Ram Punayani- and not one of them has yet responded. Of course- they will not respond. Because if they do- they will be exposed as liers- since they cannot defeat us in this challenge. These ‘rationalists’ who claim to believe in reason rather than emotion- cannot logically and factually counter our arguments- and go on emotion of hatred. Here are the debates we have had until now. |
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Abdul on
May 18th, 2010 5:26 pm
@Ajinkya: You have grave misconceptions about the Godhra train incident. And you are falsely alleging that the number of muslims who assembled outside the train was 2000. Someone says 1000, someone says 1500, someone says 500. In fact, these numbers were being reported by the passengers of the train. They were speaking metaphorically as obviously nobody can count the number of people attacking from outside. They just wanted to say that there was a huge crowd. Your Modi govt bribed false witness because they wanted to prove that it was a pre-planned attack by hook or by crook.
Read the Tehelka Report about the Nanavati commission:
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=Ne111008coverstory.asp
COMMISSION TAKES BRIBED PETROL PUMP ATTENDANTS AT FACE VALUE
The Nanavati Commission has relied heavily on the statements made by Ranjitsinh Patel and Prabhatsinh Patel before the Investigating Officer, Deputy SP Noel Parmar, to reach the conclusion that the train fire was the result of premeditated criminal conspiracy. While considering their statements, the commission has also bought the explanation the two offered for why they did not reveal the sale of the petrol in their first statements recorded on April 10, 2002, in which they denied having sold loose petrol between 6 pm of February 26, 2002, and 10 am on February 27, 2002, the time of the shift they were on at the pump. Six months later, before Parmar, the two attendants not only made the sensational claim of having sold 140 liters of loose petrol to the accused, they also claimed that the reason they had said nothing about it before was that they had never been asked about the night of February 26. Now that that evening had been brought into question, they had found it possible to be more forthcoming. This explanation the commission buys, saying in its report, ‘Both these witnesses have explained in their statements why they had earlier told the police that they had not given loose petrol to anyone in a carboy on 26.2.2002.The same commission refused to accept Sophia Bano Shaikh’s statement about the abduction attempt made on her, despite the fact that she and her family have been consistent in their statements, unlike the two Patels. Worse, one of them is on camera confessing to having been bribed to support the police case.
The commission, though, was quick to requisition the TEHELKA tape on which Ranjitsingh Patel was recorded talking about being paid Rs 50,000 by Parmar for identifying the people he had not sold petrol to, as the accused. Justice Nanavati took no action and made no effort to ascertain the veracity of the tapes and the revelations therein, the revelations which demolished the premise on which the police case rests and on which the commission has based its conclusion that Maulvi Umarji and others hatched a conspiracy to burn the train.
Shame on the LIARS of the so-called Indian democracy system of govt.
This is not something new, the Indian politicians have a big history of such crimes. They use the name of religion for their personal gains and selfish motives, whether women are being raped or children are cut into pieces. The ultimate loosers are the common masses whether hindus or muslims.
Dear Fellow Indians,
When will you realize who is the real enemy of India? How much bloodshed do you want to see? Why are you still sleeping?
Wake up dear Indians! Wake up!!!
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Ajinkya
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May 18th, 2010 4:53 pm
well- I am not going to argue any further. Only one point I will say is that Nanavati Commission was appointed by the Supreme Court’s choice of judges- not Narendra Modi’s. As for Tehelka sting operation- this site has a great report on it.
If you trust statements of Congress leaders like Vaghela- (if VHP torched the train in Godhra- then wheres the question of Muslims being infuriated due to kidnapping of girl? And if girl was kidnapped which resulted in Muslims roasting to death 25 women and 15 children and 19 men- then how can VHP torch the train as alleged by Vaghela?)
then I can say nothing.
Only one thing- also look at the testimony of a 16 year old girl Gayatri Panchal who saw her parents being roasted in front of her eyes- even 13 year old Gyanprakash. And if Muslims were enraged due to kidnapping of a girl- I wonder how 2,000 of them can assemble at 8 AM in the morning in 5 minutes having already managed to secure petrol bombs and acid bombs. The train stopped at Godhra at 7:42 and left at 7:47. I wonder how 2,000 can gather and surround the train FROM BOTH SIDES to prevent karsewaks from running away. If at all there was any such provocation and confrantation and crowd assembling- the Karsewaks would have ran away from the other side of the train at the slightest thought of an attack.
Anyways- I cannot force you to change your beliefs. If you still believe that a girl was kidnapped by the karsewaks (25 women and 15 children kidnapped a girl)I cannot say anything. -
Abdul on
May 18th, 2010 3:01 pm
@Ajinkya: dear brother - If you are asking me to believe in Modi and his government, then sorry I cannot trust those LIARS. They have buried the truth under layers of lies, obfuscation and fabricated evidence, layers almost too dense to penetrate. The Gujarat police prepared 18 chargesheets — one main and 17 supplementary — on the Godhra incident and thousands of pages of fictionalised narration, a deadly concoction of fake eyewitness accounts and coerced and bribed testimonies. Yes, all of this was done to hide the truth of what really happened. I know how muslims of villages react. If you kidnap a muslim girl, infront of his father near the station you will definitely face retaliation from the villagers. No newspaper reported the fact why the train was stopped. Muslims don’t just go around attacking trains with stones. There is a very strong reason why it happened. Don’t think that you can fool everyone in the world.
The Nanavati Commission Report is based on untenable theories and statements of bribed witnesses. In a painstaking investigation, Tehelka rebuts the report and uncovers the deliberate and malicious subversion of the truth by the govt.
After the new forensic evidence was made public, state Congress Party leaders alleged that the incident “could have been motivated by the ruling BJP and the VHP to raise communal passions.”
“These people (BJP-VHP) are capable of burning their own innocent Hindus and getting votes in the name of religion. This is not a new thing and the coming days could prove that the BJP and VHP masterminded the Godhra massacre,” said Shankarsinh Vaghela, senior Congress leader and former Chief Minister.
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Ajinkya
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May 17th, 2010 3:56 pm
@Abdul- dear brother- all that you mentioned is UTTER FABRICATION. There is NOT AN IOTA of evidence for all this. The so-called ‘fact finding mission’ that you have quoted consisted of anti-Hindu fanatics who have no credibility. You are insulting the dead karsewaks by making such false on the dead- who are not even alive to refute those character assassinating charges.
This was all fabricated in a FAKE eMAIL falsely attributed to a PTI journalist- who denied ever having written anything like this- and said that he had infact written EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what the fake mail claims.
The Karsewaks consisted of 25 women and 15 children- these people will never do anything like this. There was a girl named Sophia who they accused of being abducted- but when Justice Nanavati questioned her- it became crystal clear that there was no abduction, she was tutored by some people to falsely claim so.
You have not stated how in 5 minutes 2000 Muslims could have gathered at Godhra in Signal Falia having got petrol bombs and acid bombs. The karsewaks DID NOTHING OBJECTIONABLE AT ALL IN THE JOURNEY- INSULTING THE DEAD MARTYRED KARSEWAKS will result in more sins.
By the way- an article which is a must read is given below:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/16270/LATEST%20HEADLINES/Godhra+carnage+a+conspiracy:+Nanavati+report.html
Anyways- I am appaled that people can believe such nonsense spread against dead people. The truth is- Ehsan Jafri signed his own death warrant by firing on the Hindu crowd- (which was an indication of his communalism-though he fired in self-defence- his act drove the crowd mad) but we never blame Jafri for signing his death warrant as it insults the dead. -
Abdul
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May 17th, 2010 11:50 am
@Ajinkya: If you check what is presented about the godhra train incident, it is very clear that this website is hiding the truth in this link:
http://www.gujaratriots.com/15/the-entire-happenings-in-godhra-how-the-massacre-occurred/Why didn’t this website mention about the crimes committed by the Hindu Ramsevaks all thoughout the Journey? Why didn’t they mention that a Muslim girl was abducted by those Hindu Terrorists? This is the main reason why the train was stopped. Below are few of the evidences.
Dr. Amar Singh, a member of parliament from Samajwadi Party, spoke with two of the Hindu victims of the train-burning incident in Godhra. They revealed that, “all along the journey these Ramsevaks (the Hindu militants) were behaving like Gundas (thugs). They wouldn’t pay for what they had bought from the vendors. On stations they would chant anti-Muslim rhymes and slogans, insulting Muslim Holy places. There was teasing as well of both fellow passengers and women on the platforms.” This fact-finding delegation, comprised of Rajbabbar (M.P. Samajwadi), Shabana Azmi (M.P.) and Aziz Burni (Editor of a leading Urdu news paper, Rashtriya Sahara), was one of the first groups to arrive in the strife-torn area. They visited the hospital and there they found these two victims (from a Hindu family) of the Godhra incident.
Muslims in the area add another point to this sad story. They say things got out of hand when the daughter of an old Muslim man with a small tea stall at the train station was kidnapped. The Hindu militants argued with this old man, beat him up and pulled his beard. The 16-year-old daughter who was also present at the station came forward as her father was being beaten and tried to save him from the Hindu militants. She kept pleading and begging to them to stop beating her father and leave him alone. But instead of listening to her woes, the Hindu militants lifted the young girl, took her inside their compartment and closed its door.
When the train started to move out of the platform of Godhra’s railway station while the old man was banging on the compartment doors, pleading for his daughter to be left alone, two other vendors jumped into the last bogey and pulled the emergency break to stop the train. By the time the train halted completely, it was about one kilometer away from the railway station.
These two men then came to the bogey in which the girl was and started to bang at the door asking the militants to release the girl. Hearing the chaos, people in the vicinity near the tracks started to gather near the train. The boys and the mob (which included women) that had now gathered near the compartment requested the Hindu militants to return the girl. But instead of doing this, they started closing their windows. This infuriated the mob and they retaliated by pelting stones at the compartment.
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Ajinkya
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May 16th, 2010 11:50 pm
@Abdul
And by the way- if this site was biased it would not included this part:
http://www.gujaratriots.com/38/attacks-on-muslims/See for yourself- a special category devoted exclusively to Muslim sufferings.
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Ajinkya
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May 16th, 2010 11:37 pm
@Abdul-
same question to you too then- if that is so- why dont you accept the challenge and put forward your arguments which will prove what you are saying? http://www.gujaratriots.com/our-challenge/
Top Islamists and Islam-apologists are hiding in their rat holes and not accepting this challenge. You saw what pathetic arguments have been put forward by Jaffar Mohammad against this site. If you are so convinced that this site is untrue- why dont you prove it? -
Abdul
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May 16th, 2010 11:30 am
This is totally biased and partisan website. No matter how hard the webmasters of this site try to hide the truth, the truth is very clearly evident to the whole world. Most of the mysteries that are presented as myths in this website are actually facts.
The editors of this site must know that if one or two individuals are getting fooled, they cannot fool every tom, dick and harry.
Every day is not a Sunday.
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Mehul
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April 22nd, 2010 12:17 am
You guys are awesome.
So much information, so much reading and writing, so much work you guys did to bring the truth forward.
commendable job.
Keep it up.
Will surely donate.
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Govind Sharad Deshpande
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June 13th, 2010 6:37 am
A guidence to hindus in india how to tackle problems in front of nation.
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Govind Sharad Deshpande
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June 13th, 2010 6:33 am
Please let me know about pdf format cost
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Ashish Sulekar
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April 30th, 2010 6:51 am
GUJARAT RIOTS
Jai Shree Ram… ” I think the solutions of various problems arising across India lies in the truth of GUJRAT RIOTS. ”
The truth behind the gujarat riots will definitely open up various facts, causes and reasons. It’s definitely the wrong thing that Indian media is doing,as it has been doing for long time now that it’s converting the possibilities into facts without any depth search in public in Gujarat.
It reminds me the exact condition of Netajee Subhashchandra Bos in Bengal when he was trying to work according to facts and Congress was restricting him on the basis of possibilities.In Gujrat case Shree Narendra Modiji is working on the facts and taking correct decisions every time and congress as usual restricting him ( rather say Gujarat people ).
Gujrat Riots are not only riots , it’s the symbolic status of people across India. It’s not the time for wait and watch for Hindus across nation. Gujarat is rolled model set by people of Gujarat in front of nation.
Now the most important question :
” Why are we waiting for whole nation to lead towards the same condition as in Gujarat ? ”
I think this book will definitely set the direction of Hindus across India. India needs the decisions taken by Gujarat Government at national level.!!! jai Shree Ram !!!
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PRAMOD GUPTA
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April 11th, 2009 9:49 am
I m unable to understand why Gujarat is discussed without Godhra train heinous burning of 100 innocent hindus, by aplanned move of Muslims, the only sin of them was return from Ayodhya.. and that remin acause odf celebration , by muslims , and pseudo, till the mass outburst happened.. in which the state killed 300 hindus in firing and around 1000 muslims were killed in the aftermath of the train carnage.. Waht do u wish, the Hindus shud remain a stupid payhetice to these innocnets carnage..
Yes , the grudge is true since it has never happened before that Hindu arose, and how many attacks ( terror) have been sponsored from and outside by the community and their real sympathizer is eye opening and may hv long term repurcussions, if not stopped,a swe feel as ordinary citizen..
it is in total contrast that tghe heinous butchering of hindus in and outside India is reacted, and hv made beffled the perptrators, is understandable.. do we hv the numbers iof hindus killed after 1947, in India, and Indian sub continent, must be protested by all right thinking ppl to instill the confidence among HIndus also, lest the harmony break...
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Zaheer
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April 2nd, 2009 5:28 pm
I want to know the truth. I am sick of the blatant lies from these anti-Indian establishment that is trying its best to divide India and Indians. I came to know that their careers and livelihood depend on these lies.I am ashamed of the rest of those fellow humans who are buying such lies which are nothing but an insult to human common sense.Let the whole world know the real unbiased facts.
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DEEPAK
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March 18th, 2009 4:39 pm
doode this book will never be published, they can’t even afford to create their own site, using a content management system to organize their data, you think these morons have capability to publish anything?? lol
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Deepak
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March 14th, 2009 3:18 am
I will buy the book after BJP again looses lok sabha and gets back at opposing every single development project that congress will take up

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Ajay
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December 15th, 2008 1:22 pm
Many thanks for dispelling the Gujarat riots myths!
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ajit
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December 6th, 2008 2:49 pm
when will the book be published??Any date set yet?
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Jai Rama
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October 5th, 2008 8:14 am
please add me brother
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Myths of Gujarat Riots
Myth 1: 2,000 Muslims were killed in the Gujarat riots
Myth 2: Muslims were ‘butchered’ in Gujarat
Myth 3: Whole of Gujarat was burning
Myth 4: The Gujarat police turned a blind eye to the rioting
Myth 5: Gujarat police was anti-Muslim
Myth 6: Gujarat riots were the ‘worst ever massacre’ in India
Myth 7: Only Muslims were rendered homeless and suffered economically
Myth 8: The Gujarat government was involved in the riots
Myth 9: Gujarat riots were like the 1984 anti-Sikh riots
Myth 10: Gujarat became a dangerous place to live in, in 2002
Myth 11: In Ehsan Jafri case, women were raped
Myth 12: The photo of Qutubuddin Ansari is genuine
Myth 13: Narendra Modi said:”Every action has equal and opposite reaction”
Myth 14: Sangh Parivar organizations like VHP organized the riots
Myth 15: Narendra Modi gave free hand to rioters for 3 days
Myth 16: A pregnant woman’s womb was ripped open and foetus taken out
Myth 17: Gujarat Government did nothing to help the victims
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We are the well-wishers of humanity. And our only aim is to bring out the TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH-however disagreeable it may be. Learn the TRUTH of the Gujarat riots of 2002 by reading this site.
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Deepak
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July 24th, 2010 10:36 am
Corruption, HATRED, and ABUSE OF POWER is in blood of every single beaurocrat, politician and security official of GUJARAT.
This is evident by one after another cases of fake encounters coming to light from GUJARAT.
The worst police department, most disgusted society among all indians, southern indians re best, then northies have some values, maharashtris are loosing it, and these GUJJUS are just low life insects.
eVERY SINGLE THING THAT COMES TO LIGHT, THEY GIVE IT COMMUNAL COLOR. they say, shah killed a terrorist so he is being arrested by comngress, but afzal guru is not being hanged.
The point here, is it the duty of MOH of a state to contact polcie officials and get a terrosit kidnapped and killed? It is not his job to overlook such activities, and then asking for evidence material, names??
This is what shows, he got him killed not for the nation, but to hide his own extortion business, becvauise sorabuddin was becoming pain for him.
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om
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July 23rd, 2010 11:19 pm
u all muslims always talk about ur allah, if any religion didn’t accept the other that can’t be the religion that would be an organization, since god didn’t tell who to pray so that could varry from one to one if u don’t see u lover u can’t love him/her that is the basic need. u all want to increase ur organization not religion if u really want some spirituality in life take a budhist tour, but that have to be not inspired by the outsiders. and any body don’t say that i should read quran because i alrady did it.
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Deepak
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July 22nd, 2010 6:52 pm
here comes a gujju from UK…welcome to your slave brothers.
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FUCKYEAH
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July 22nd, 2010 1:20 pm
Now this is whY I am proud to be a GUJJU. To all my HINDU brothers and sisters out there, UNITE no matter what caste, colour you are. We are all HINDUS at the end of the day.
You see all these muzzies supporting one another. Well why cant we do the same?
Lets wipe this disease they call “Islam” off the face OF THE PLANET!!@raju odedra your not a true gujju
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SATISH
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July 7th, 2010 10:52 am
If a muslim dares, he should ask under RTI to all states, not gujarat, how riots in each case were started during last 60 years. I challenge at least, I repeat at least 90 % cases will be those in which riots started because of minority attacking majority. I dont remember a singal incidence of attack om Tajia in Ahmedabad but every year Rath yatra was attacked during secular Governmet rule!!!!!!!! I can take all anti Gujarat media persons and so called secularists to thousands of villages of Gujarat where same BJO/VHP/BAJRANG DAL AND Narendra Modi rule etc. are there but minorities have never been attacked by majority just because minority does not attack majority. If any muslim can explain me reason for riots not happening there, I offer to become servant of that muslim free of cost for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aqib
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June 21st, 2010 1:30 pm
I request all the non muslim to read the quran. You will know islam is the religion of peace.
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trur indian on
June 10th, 2010 3:33 pm
i really like your comment respected rahul gupta we are interrible need of ppl like you in my country where my hindu brother is killing a muslim and then a muslim explodes a bomb so if hindus kill 100 then a one muslim brother kills 1000 hindus but at last all these ppl are my brothers
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Indian from India
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June 8th, 2010 7:17 am
Mr. Arif,
There is limit for everything, including stupidity and blind faith! You still repeat the stupid lie that the godhra was created by pro-Hindu groups!!! Can you give at least one sensible reason - I repeat - one - simply one - not more - jist one reason why you think so? What is the logic behind this allegation? It appears like you are yet another person who can never admit that Muslims “also” perform crimes -
arif
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April 29th, 2010 4:32 am
godhra is only creation by vhp,bajrangdal and hindu fundamentalists to make modi as a leader for generations to fundamentalists people in gujrat
modi make godhra and blame to muslims for godhra and then he make all state red by muslims bled , when prophet mohmmed(sas) told to poeple i am a prophet from the allh side, and said . there is no god but except Allah .Allah is only one god and mohammed is rasool (prophet)from allah , who accept this words they will become mulim
who know the concept of god they agree, who dosn’t know the concept of god they not agree , who don’t know themself whaat they are so how they know who is the god for universal(god is for universal .not for only india ,pakisthan , srilanka),islam is a universal religion.when the mulims accept the kalima tayyaiba and agree allh is only one god. they becomes mulims , and who not accept allah as a god
this poeple make troubles and make riots to the mulim people from 1400
years agoso gujrat is not new for musims ,from the 1400 years around the world
Non muslim people tease to muslim people,i make clear to all hindu fundamentalist you kill us more and more and we are ready to die in the name of allh (one god), more and more (for only true path)
but allah given option to his worshippers make self defens from the poeple from the devil,
in india there is a secularism but only to say .india is a democratic country only to say
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Sucheta
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April 21st, 2010 4:24 pm
Great web site! Probably Teesta has some psychological disorder that can only explain her behavior. I am against any remarks on personal appearances but in this case I can’t help but comment Teesta looks evil in every sense.. Tapan Shah and/or raju Odedra - what is your real name? Why are you hiding behind veil, what are you afraid of?
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The Wrong Way to Fight Jihad
Posted by Jamie Glazov on Mar 26th, 2010 and filed under FrontPage. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. Both comments and pings are currently closed.
Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine’s editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in Russian, U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He is the author of Canadian Policy Toward Khrushchev’s Soviet Union and is the co-editor (with David Horowitz) of The Hate America Left. He edited and wrote the introduction to David Horowitz’s Left Illusions. His new book is United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror. Email him at jamieglazov11@gmail.com.
Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Vijay Kumar, who is currently running for the U.S. Congress as a Republican candidate for Tennessee 5th Congressional District. The Primary vote comes on August 5 of this year, and the General Election is on November 4. When he ran before, in 2008, he received about 30% of the vote in Republican Primary. His website is kumarforcongress.com. Visit his blog at kumarforcongress.net.
FP: Vijay Kumar, welcome to Frontpage Interview.
You are one of the rare individuals running for office in America who is actually making the issue of Islamic Jihad a significant part of your campaign. Tell us your view of Islamic Jihad and the background you have to make you see it the way you do.
Kumar: I am a native of Hyderabad, India, which is where I first encountered the Muslim culture. We have a substantial number of Muslims there, a higher percentage than most other parts of India, and I began to observe things that troubled me. Later, I traveled a number of Islamic nations, and I lived in Iran from 1976 to 1979, during the Islamic Revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini. I immigrated to the United States in 1979. All my life, I have been interested in political thought. During my travels, I came to realize that Islam is unlike any of the other world religions for a variety of reasons, and they summate to the Islamic ideology behind Jihad.
First, Islam was conceived as a world empire to govern all mankind. It teaches that all the world, and everyone and everything in it, already belongs to Islam–some people just haven’t been made to understand that. Until they have, according to Islam, they are considered “infidels” and inferiors. Put another way, the Islamic view is that all of us in the world are subjects of the Islamic Empire, and those of us who do not acknowledge our subjugation to it must be overcome and brought to submission, through conversion or force. No other religion in the world has such a purpose of world conquest and domination.
Second, Islam does not allow any introspection or self-criticism. It calls for total acceptance, total submission. The very word “Islam” means “submission,” and the word “Muslim” means “one who submits.” The other side of submission, of course, is domination. Islam seeks to dominate every individual and every nation into submission. In that, it shares a key element of slavery, which the civilized world has properly decried and abolished. Such submission is a political act. I am a freeman, and I refuse to submit to Islamic hegemony.
Third, Islam does not have any exit policy for its believers. The act of submission required to become a Muslim is held to be final, irrevocable, and permanent. So criticizing or questioning Islam or its teachings or leaders, or attempting to leave Islam, all are considered severe crimes against Islam, punishable by death.
In contrast, non-Islamic religions allow for dissenting views, introspection, and reasoned debate. In non-Islamic religions, if you so choose, you can leave the faith you were born into without being threatened with physical violence or death. In Islam, both criticism of the faith and apostasy are capital offenses.
All of that is what drives Jihad: Jihad is a permanent war against the unbeliever and his land to bring about his submission. It has been going on for fourteen centuries all over the world, which is why I coined the term “Universal Jihad.” Islam’s Universal Jihad is the single greatest threat to Western civilization and to the entire non-Islamic world in general. It is more dangerous than Nazism and Communism combined.
FP: More dangerous than Nazism and Communism combined? Please explain this perspective.
Kumar: Nazism was in power for 15 years or so. Communism was in power for about 70 years. Today, Germany, Japan, and Russia, our former adversaries, are now our allies. Also, they are liberal democracies.
Nazism, Communism, and Islam are all three totalitarian ideologies. Communism and Nazism, though, lack a system of transcendental metaphysics, which Islam has. Nazism and Communism do not claim to be religions, and there is no threat of hell-fire to hold over its adherents. By contrast, Islam is a totalitarian form of governance that also claims to be a religion, and so has proved to be far more sustainable than any other form of aggressive totalitarianism.
The doctrine and politics of Universal Jihad have been assaulting the world for 1,400 years. It is exactly what launched the Christian Crusades, which were an attempt to save European civilization from the relentless onslaught and wholesale murder of invading Muslim forces.
Under Universal Jihad, non-Muslim civilizations have been annihilated. To mention just a few examples: Turkey was Christian; Iran was Zoroastrian; North Africa and the Middle East were predominantly Christian; Afghanistan and Central Asia were Buddhist; Pakistan was Hindu; Egypt was Coptic, orthodox Christian. All have fallen prey to invasion by Islam.
Today, Universal Jihad has been brought to the West–not just by overt violence, but through every strategy and tactic conceivable. Islam is not just the faith of another immigrant group; it is a complete political and paramilitary ideology. Political Islam is here to Islamize the Western nations, and that includes the United States.
So Universal Jihad is a permanent form of warfare against the infidels, their nation-states, and every non-Islamic form of government in the world. It has been Islam’s mandate for 1,400 years that other cultures must submit to it. Islam is devoted to an eternally-unchanging doctrine: it is obligated to conquer entire world.
No one needs to take my word for it. Syed Abul A’ala Maududi, a Pakistani, was arguably the most influential Muslim theologian and thinker of the 20th Century. He said the following point-blank:
“Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and program . . . [T]he objective of Islamic Jihad is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish in its stead an Islamic system of State rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single State or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution.”
Any Muslim or apologist who claims otherwise, or who insists that Islam is just “a religion of peace” is not arguing against me: they are arguing against their own most revered leaders and experts on Islam and its true purpose. They are spreading Islamic propaganda that has no other purpose than to lull the infidel into a false sense of friendship and security.
Such propaganda is a primary and vitally important tool of Islam’s psychological warfare. Syed Abul A’ala Maududi also spelled out clearly how many different ways Universal Jihad is to be waged against ”the infidels”:
“In the jihad in the way of Allah, active combat is not always the role on the battlefield, nor can everyone fight in the front line. Just for one single battle preparations have often to be made for decades on end and the plans deeply laid, and while only some thousands fight in the front line there are behind them millions engaged in various tasks which, though small themselves, contribute directly to the supreme effort.”
Unlike any other religion anywhere in the world, Islam’s clear, inarguable overarching purpose is Universal Jihad and global conquest, using any means. It is not waged just through terrorism and violent conflict. That is an extraordinarily naive view. Islam also uses psychological warfare, propaganda, covert operations, infiltration, and demographic saturation.
Universal Jihad exists and no amount liberal “political correctness” is going to wish it away. It is here on the soil of the United States right this minute. Its openly-declared goal is to destroy the United States as a system of government, to tear up our Constitution, and subject us all to Islamic totalitarianism under Sharia law.
FP: Let me ask you this: World War I was won in four years, World War II was won in six years. But the Israel/Palestine and the India/Pakistan conflicts have not resolved after 62 years. Why do you think?
Kumar: It’s simple: Muslims do not want peace, they want conquest. When they enter into an alleged “peace accord,” it is only a ploy to buy time to build their position for ultimate conquest. This is by their own creed: in Islam’s system of “ethics,” it is perfectly acceptable to lie to mere infidels.
In the case of Israel, the West has never been 100% behind Israeli sovereignty. Both the West and Israel have always only wanted to buy truce with the Islamic nations–never peace. It is an endless case of appeasement that puts Neville Chamberlain to shame.
As I have said before, and as history proves conclusively and invariably, Islam does not recognize pluralism, and Islam never wants a lasting peace with any non-Islamic people or states. When Muslims are in a relatively weak position they may offer truce–a temporary agreement–but never lasting peace. Even a cursory study of the treaties made by Muhammad proves at once that every Islamic treaty is merely another tactic toward ultimate conquest and domination. He set the standard for using treaties as a path to conquest.
Since then, Islam has been waging a relentless war for the past 1,400 years against every non-Muslim within their reach. In the last century, technological advances have extended the reach of the Muslim world considerably. Anybody who believes that it’s suddenly going to change–for any reason, through any amount of “diplomacy”–is either grossly uninformed or delusional.
Islamic imperialists have no desire at all for peaceful coexistence with Israel. They want to annihilate the “Zionist Entity.” By the way, during the last 60 years, Israel has absorbed more than a million Sephardic Jews from Arab countries. The Arab nations, on the other hand, refuse to absorb two million Palestinians. It’s a sad irony that two million Palestinians are considered so important while at the same time the suffering inflicted upon 50 million Kurdish people by Muslim nations goes almost unnoticed, unremarked.
Muslims do not recognize the right to existence of either Israel or India. They simply consider them roadblocks to world conquest that need to be removed, no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes. Universal Jihad is infinite, endless war against the infidel. It has been formally, blatantly declared. To the Muslim, Jewish Israel and Hindu India are nothing more than inferior infidel nation-states that must be torn down and brought under Islamic control.
Remember this: Kashmir was a Hindu land continuously for 5,000 years. That’s over twice as long as the time that has passed since the birth of Christ. Islam went there as an imperial force, subjugated the local people, and conquered them, both politically and demographically, after 5,000 years of Hindu peace and civilization. Hence, today the Kashmiri Hindus are refugees in their own land. They have been reduced to a minority.
It is not Kashmir alone. Now Muslims of India wants Mughalstan, the Land of Mugal empire. They want to build an Islamic state from Pakistan to Bangladesh that includes the entirety of north India.
Every year, we are paying Islamic tribute to Pakistan, Egypt, and Palestinians in hopes of maintaining a tenuous truce. We are not really giving them “aid.” It is nothing but Islamic tribute to keep them at bay.
It’s really too simple for anyone to try to complicate it: Islam wants the entire world to submit. India and Israel are simply two obstacles or roadblocks to that goal. If they can get Israel and India to disappear from the face of earth, Islamic Umma–community, or “nation” in the larger sense–would be one unified imperialism from Morocco to Indonesia. Then it would be Europe’s turn to be annihilated.
FP: How do we best win the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq in your opinion?
Kumar: It can’t be overstated or said too many times that these are merely the current fronts of open conflict in Universal Jihad. In fact, it plays into the purposes of Universal Jihadists for the Western world to be fixated on isolated actions in various geographical locations, and thereby never see the bigger picture.
Universal Jihad is an ideology, a doctrine, that is fixed and unchanging. Waging battles of force and military action alone– especially on Islam’s home turf–and continuing to send troops out as reaction to the latest flare-ups or hot-spots in Islam’s endless war will never succeed. Never.
That’s also why the idea of a “War on Terror” is absurd. Terrorism is nothing more than one of the many technique and tactics used to advance Islam’s political ideology. On this subject of terrorism, groups like the Taliban are a bunch of obedient foot soldiers. They are what Karl Marx called the “lumpen-proletariat.” Allow me to direct your attention to the fact that we never see Islamic Imams–religious leaders–blowing themselves up. If martyrdom is such a high holy act, as Islam’s leaders preach, why aren’t they the ones strapping on the explosives? It’s a curious case of “do as I say, not as I do.”
Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan form the Axis of Universal Jihad. Unless and until we address the leaders of this Axis of Jihad, and the militaristic ideology of world domination that is their chief export, there is no possibility for peace in the future for humanity.
The real power behind Universal Jihad, in all of its manifestations, lies with the Pakistani ISI–the intelligence services of Pakistan–along with the Pakistani military, the Pakistani feudal elite, and the Islamic theological leaders. As a nation-state, Pakistan exists for two reasons: its pathological hatred of India and Hindus, and its parasitic dependence on American aid. Their leaders’ battle cry is always “Islam in danger” when they want to stoke the fires of Jihad, and of course Muslims are commanded by the Quran to go forth immediately when called to fight by their Islamic leaders. (part -1)
Srikant :
Out of your 27 points ,atleast 25 are baseless. Now here are my points which have meaning :
- You claim hinduism as Secular, Why you didnot discuss about the Babri Masjid Demolition. If Babri masjid would not have been brought down, MUMBAI SERIAL BLAST would have been averted. But ..your favourite MR Advanci wanted to win the election on the cost of human blood. Now who is to be blame here..Hindu or Muslim….and now alse if you give poor reasons then you are uneducated.
- Why you are discussong about the Hindu Extremist responsible for Ajmer Blast…
mr srikant let me give youa information
about hinduism which you lack
pandit ravi shankar in his speech said
there is no hindu religion in the world hindus are ppl who live in hindustan . soevery muslim living in india is a hindu. idiot
Good Questions arose by Srikant.
Now remember this fact
” When any religion leads towards perfectness it leads to Hindutva cause Hindutva is sanatan which means no origin and no end . ”
those who say muslims is religion of god… please go to the depth of origin of muslim religion with true heart….. go to the depth of history….. find out whats there at RAMALLAH = Ram + Allah ………
@Sufi
http://www.gujaratriots.com/44/tehelka-lies/
These people were indulging in BOASTFUL LIES- read this whole chapter to understand the truth. And if you are so sure Modi government was culpable- why dont you accept the challenge and prove this site’s arguments as wrong- based on your evidence?
great work please also link the tehelka sting operation where your own beloveds of narainder modi openly praise him to help them on the massacre.
Kindly read this article by Mr. Kumar of Hyderabad settled in USA and standing for coming election in Tennessee.
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/03/26/the-wrong-way-to-stand-against-jihad/
The world and esp. India has got to open their eyes wide. Otherwise …. well !!!
This is brilliant and you deserve congratulations.Itis high time we should hold demonstrations at High ommission.Do you know that the minister of co-ordination and scurity head are muslim officers at our high commission London.
To start with, let us just understand what secularism come to mean in Indian context.
SECULARISM
1. Don’t treat as a campaign for B.J.P.
2. Are you a secularist, then please answer these questions for yourself :
3. There are roughly 52 Muslim countries, show one Muslim country which provides Haj subsidy.
4. Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that Muslims are accorded in India;
5. Show one country where 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the 15% minority;
6. Show one Muslim country, which has a non – Muslim as its President or Prime-Minister.
7. Show one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a fatwa against terrorists.
8. Hindu majority – Maharashtra, Bihar, kerala, Pondicherry etc… have in the past elected Muslims as CMs… Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the C.M. of Muslim majority?
9. In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population was in Pakistan was 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu population ihn East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%… now it is 7%. What happened to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?
10. In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% to about 14% today; whereas the Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in 1951 to 85% in 1991. Do you still think that Hindus are fundamentalists?
11. In India today, Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and Madrassas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loud speakers that there is no God except Allah?
12. When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura and kashi?
13. Why Gandhi-ji objected to the decision of the cabinet and insisted that Somnath temple be reconstructed out of public fund, not government funds? When in January 1948, he pressurised Nehru and Patel to carry on the renovation of the Mosque at Delhi at government expenses?
14. Why Gandhi-ji supported Khilafat movement (nothing to do with our freedom movement) and what in turn he got?
15. if Muslims and Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar, etc..; are not Hindus in minority in J. & K., Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya etc…? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states?
16. When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amernath, Mana-Sarovar, kailash & Sabarimalai taxed?
17. When Christians & Muslims schools can teach Bible and Quran, .. Why Hindus cannot teach Gita or Ramayan in our schools?
18. Do you admit that the Hindus do have a problems that need to be recognized? Or do you think that those who call themselves the Hindus are them selves the problem?
19. Why post- Godhra is blown out of proportion when no one talks of the ethnic cleansing of 4 lakhs Hindus from Kashmir?
20. Do you consider that Sanskrit is communal, and Urdu is Secular? Mandir is Communal & Masjid is Secular? Sadhu is Communal and Imam is Secular? BJP is Communal and Muslim League is Secular? Dr. Pravin-Bhai Togadia is is Anti-national and Bukhari is Secular? Vande Mataram is Communal and Allah-O- Akbar is Secular? Shriman is Communal and Mian is Secular? Hinduism is Communal and Islam is Secular? Hindutva is Communal and Jihadism is Secular? And at last Bharat is Communal and Italy is Secular?
21. Why temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, When they are free to spend their money in any way they like?
22. When Uniform is made compulsory for school children, why there is no Uniform Civil Code for citizens?
23. In what way , J. & K. is different from Maharashtra, Tamilnadu, or UP to have Article 370?
24. Abdul Rehman Antulay was made a trustee of the famous Siddi Vinayak Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai… Can a Hindu say, - Mulayam or Lalloo – ever become a trustee of a Masjid or Madrassa?
25. Dr. Pravinbhai Togadia has been arrested many times on flimsy grounds. Has the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi, Ahmed Bukhari been arrested for claiming to be an I.S.I. agent and advocating partition of Bharat?
26. A Muslim President, A Hindu P.M. and a Christian Defense Minister run the affairs of the Nation with a unity of purpose. Can this happen anywhere except in a Hindu Nation – Bharat? JAI HIND !
27. Please forward this to as many Indians as possible. “ Hinduism is not a religion, it is a way of life.” - Swami Vivekanand.
This is commendable effort. World must know what Gujarat and Gujarati unity means. How well progressed Gujaratis are. They must STOP harassing Gujaratis in the name of secularism.