Fact: Gujarat riots of 2002 AD were absolutely nothing as compared to Gujarat’s past riots of 1969 and 1985 AD. They were still nothing as compared to Gujarat’s riots of 1980, 1982, 1990-91- 92. And they were again nothing as compared to pre-Independence riots of the 1940’s in Ahmedabad when the Hindu community took a sound beating. And there were many more riots far far worse than the 2002 Gujarat riots in India- not to talk of the 1947 Partition riots. Let it be repeated here that we consider even a single killing as one too many. There is no justification for a single death, be it a Hindu or a Muslim, but that doesn’t give anyone the license to lie that “The Gujarat riots were the ‘worst-ever massacre’ in India”.
Much worse riots took place in New Delhi in 1984 under the Congress Party’s rule. Officially 3,000 people were killed. Ranganath Mishra Commission gave the number of 3874 out of which 2307 were in Delhi alone. Riots were also not limited to New Delhi then. They occurred in places like West Bengal, Tripura as well. Killings of more than 40,000 Hindus have happened in Jammu and Kashmir state of India. Hardly 1000 people were killed in Gujarat in 2002 AD, for the sins of 2000 Muslims of Godhra. Out of them, more than 250 are Hindus. Post-Godhra riots were neither ‘pogrom’, nor ‘genocide’, nor ‘massacre’. They were not even ‘massacre’, not to talk of the ‘worst-ever massacre in India.’ Despite this- pseudo-secularists like Teesta Setalvad, Harsh Mander, Amulya Ganguly, Prafull Bidwai and other such stark liars- like Tehelka, political rivals thriving on Muslim votebank, etc have called the 2002 riots as ‘Gujarat massacre’- and lied that there was “Gujarat massacre of Muslims- with the sanction of Narendra Modi”. These people have demanded action against Modi. (An article on some facts about the media can be read here “NDTV is CPM Today“. And another article which is worth reading is “The channels strategy of attacks”. Note that these articles are purely the view of the blogger and not of Gujaratriots.com )
Far from any action being taken Modi, action needs to be taken against stark liars like Tehelka, the foreign media- i.e. US and British media, and so-called Human Rights organizations in India and abroad, there was no “Gujarat massacre of Muslims” in the 2002 riots but plain Hindu-Muslim riots in which hundreds of Hindus were also killed by Muslims even after the gruesome and horrific roasting of 59 Hindus- including 25 women and 15 children in Godhra and 40,000 Hindus were thrown out of their homes by Muslims despite comprising only 11 % of the population and that too in a state ruled by a Hindu party like the BJP with a man like Narendra Modi as Chief Minister. That is- Muslims have the strength to throw out 40,000 Hindus from their homes in a Hindu country like India even after partitioning India in 1947 and getting a homeland- and that too under Narendra Modi’s rule.
The worst ever massacre was of the Hindus during the medieval times. Timur massacred some 1 lakh Hindus on a single day in Delhi in 1399. Nadirshah, the invader, massacred many people in 1739 in Delhi. The massacres of Hindus in medieval India would have put Hitler’s Nazi death-chambers of the 1930s to shame. These massacres happened under all the medieval rulers of India including Akbar- who ordered killing of 30,000 Hindus in February 1568. Mahmud of Ghazni also massacred many Hindus in between 1001-1027 AD. Mohammad Ghori also did the same between 1192 to 1206. So did all others. The invaders were like a cloud of locusts destroying and devouring everything on their way. In fact- Professor K.S.Lal in his book “Growth of Muslim population in India” has said that according to his calculations- the Hindu population declined by 80 million between AD 1000 and AD 1525- probably the biggest ever holocaust in world history. 8 crore Hindus were slaughtered by foreign Muslims in this period.
For just a brief and cursory (very very brief and very very cursory) history of Islam in India, see this. This doesn’t focus on the mass murders and massacres of Hindus with detail, which have been given in the book (“Gujarat Riots: The True Story”) but not included in this website.
Pakistan and Bangladesh were also parts of India-the Hindu population in West Pakistan has declined from 20 % in 1947 to around 1% now- the biggest unreported genocide, massacre and holocaust in recent times. While in medieval India, Hindus, in the face of extreme cruelty and death, saved Hinduism from Islam’s onslaught, in the modern, progressive age they suffered the worst damage- with Hindus thrown to the mercy of wolves in Pakistan. The media and the government did nothing to raise this issue with Pakistan. Similarly- the Hindu population in Bangladesh has declined from 34 % in 1901 to 29 % in 1947, and to 10 % in 2001, and its around 7 % now. Even in India, the Hindu population has declined from 85 % in 1951 to 80.5 % in 2001- and by now, it must be in the 70s. The liberals in the Indian media, human rights activists, and Indian government have never ever raised this complete annihilation of Hindus by Pakistan ever in the world at any forum. On the contrary, Islamists have exaggerated and inflated the case of Gujarat riots along with the Indian media and whitewashed Islam’s guilt in annihilating Hinduism in Pakistan and Bangladesh and also Kashmir.
Pakistan’s TALLEST Hindu leader, Sudham Chand Chawla was killed in broad daylight in Jacobabad on 29 Jan 2002 while returning from his rice meal. The culprits were not nabbed, nor was any compensation given to his family. He had in fact been complaining to the so-called civil society of Pakistan for years about the threat to his life, to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan and yet nobody did anything. If this was the case with the BIGGEST Hindu leader, then what must be the story of ordinary Hindus, who have already been reduced from 20 % in 1947 to just 1 % now?
The Hindu leaders also seem to be lost in a world of their own, enjoying targeting and criticizing each other in public and never raising these issues of extinction of Hindus from Pakistan and Bangladesh. A similar fate awaits India unless steps are taken.
Looking at the modern, independent India, these riots were still absolutely nothing. The worst ever massacre in independent India was of the Hindus in Kashmir, which continues till date. After that, nothing was worse than the 1984 riots, when the Sikhs were massacred by the ruling Congress Party. In Bhagalpur, Bihar under the Congress rule itself more than 1400 people were killed, most of whom were Muslims, after Muslims threw bombs on Hindu localities, and then suffered in retaliation.
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In Gujrat Riots, numerous people lost their lives, their properties, their family members and even ethnically cleansened out of their home towns. I agree. But, I consider this as the only first riot in the country in which the majority were Muslims. Anyways, as mentioned beautifully in the article above, Gujarat riots of 2002 AD were absolutely nothing as compared to Gujarat’s past riots of 1969 and 1985 AD. But, I dont understand that why everytime, the latest known genocide upon the Hindus after Partition, that took place in the eastern Bengal province of India, is ignored! Under the Western Pakistani regime, the then East Pakistani (formerly East Bengal, later Bangladesh) Hindus were seriously tortured and their womens were raped and then brutally killed. Why Hindus of India forget “The Great Calcutta Killings” on the Post Independence Direct Action Day. Why Hindus of India forget the Noakhali Massacre of East Bengal where thousands of Hindus were slaughtered during August, 1946 (Post-Independence Period).
In other words, I would like to say that, after the Partition of India, the Sikhs and Sindhis of Western Pakistani were excelentlly settled in the neighbouring India territories of Punjab, Delhi, Gujrat etc. When when it comes the Hindu East Bengali Immigrants, they were left homeless! Some shifted to Tripura, West Bengal and Assam fearing persecution, which later broke out. But here also in the bordering states of East bengal like Meghalaya and Assam, the Hindu Immigrants from Eastern Bengal were called “Dokars” in Meghalaya i,e,. Intruders. And in Assam, the most slang word is used “Kela Bongal”. In this way, Hindus from East Bengal are left Homeless.
That is why, they demand for the return to their own Homeland, East Bengal, from which they migrated 50 years ago. Their demand for the “Bir-Bonga Bhumi” is no Communal, if it is so, then yes they are Communal. Their Demand for the return to their Mother Land is no Terrorit Act, it is so, then yes they are Terrorists.
In this respect, I have launched a site “www.shadheenbangla.sampasite.com”.
The Babri Masjid riots were serious all over India, but were worse in East Bengal. Taslima Nasreen’s Lojja specifies that. Thus the Hindu East Bengalis were struck again. Hindus of East Bengal cannot even wear their cultural Lal Paayra Shaari and Shaaka, they cannot perform their religious rites openly. Hindu gentlemens cannot wear Dhoti, fearing persecution!
And when this East Bengali Hindus came to India after Babri Masjid riots in innumerous numbers, they were not even given Refugee Status, if given in some case also, they had to start a new livelihood. They lost their origin, their properties, their womens but yet they did not convert to Islam!
But what have Indian Hindus got to do with that. They only know their Bihar, their U.P. and their Maharashtra and thats all.
If you dont believe me or my writtings, better check for yourselves at “www.hrcbm.org” and clarify yourselves how the Hindus of East Bengal (Bangladesh) are routinely harrased and Persecuted! Thats all!
Now the blasts in Ahmedbad should at last awaken the conscience of the media. The media LIES that Muslims were ‘massacred’ in Gujarat are causing more innocent Muslims to fall for terrorism. The media shamelessly rationalizes and/or justifies terrorism.
This also has a lesson for the incompetent Sangh Parivar and the BJP. It is their duty to expose the truth of the Gujarat riots- and file defamation cases against the media and the non-BJP politicians for their lies on the Gujarat riots. Guilty politicians like Amar Singh and his SP are filing cases against BJP leaders-who simply exposed them- while innocent men like Narendra Modi-who have been wrongly targetted by the media and politicians are reamining silent.
your site manages to be so beautifully pathetic, it almost touches me…that was sarcasm by the way…
who the hell cares which riot was bigger? bottomline: people were killed..this most obvious fact seems to fail to be registered by any of you…
innocent men like modi? wow, it seems to me, sir, that you are a typical example of a blissfully unaware person…
Amar Singh and his parrot nosed brother Mulayam are power hungry as thier once- behnaa Mayawati.
In fact; it was the duo who had helped SIMI to be set up; and now see what they have donw.
And these shameless Amar singh, Mulayam and Lallu Laluu are telling the UPA(By the people but FOR the religious minority) to ban VHP intead of SIMI
Its ironic how beautifully the person writing all these myths has tried to justify the riots. I dont want to talk about how politics is involved or how the poor Qutubudin Ansari (who by the way was not pleading with the rioters like you have mentioned in one of your excellent papers written, he was on his knees broken down by the sight of damage he had suffered)had specially posed for the camera, I just want to say that no matter how cruel the politicians may be to put such a dister into action, you seem to be even more heartless to be trying to justify such an act of brutality.
@Human Being, You seem to have missed the point. If you read this site-you will know that there is a special chapter devoted exclusively to Muslims’ suffering in the riots. Nowhere does this author justify the post-Godhra riots. But that doesnt mean that the post-Godhra riots were ‘massacre of Muslims’. They were just plain riots-just like all other riots of India. This author has said that the causes of the minority communities too should be raised. It is the duty to RAISE and UPHOLD the TRUTH which is that the Gujarat riots were plain riots- and not pogrom, genocide or massacre-and that the 2002 riots were absolutely nothing as compared to Gujarat’s past riots.
Finally some one had the guts to point out the truth about Gujarat. The muslim scoundrels have murdered 60 innocent people and threw stones at them so that they cannot escape and the pseudo secular rascals of congress party call it genocide. If 1000 (out of which 250 are hindus) are killed and it is genocide what about the riots of 1980 and 1982? Then these are hyper and super genocide of hindus in india. One cannot even talk about the abuse of hindus in 1950. Shame on pseudo secular congress morons. These guys are educated for namesake but inside they are worse than pigs.
this book is very bias….grow up
It seems to be the most heinous site I’ve ever visited because this site induces communal offences.
PETITION TO BAN RSS
DO IT NOW AND DO INDIA A FAVOR!!!
Yeah- try it- and see if it stand the test of a court of law. A similar ban imposed in 1992 after 6 Dec was over-ruled by the courts in India!
Petition your Leftist friends and Marxists in Bengal and Kerala- to ban RSS- or why RSS- even Bajrang Dal- in their Marxist ‘strongholds’. What prevents them from doing so?
Obviously-fear of a Hindu backlash! They know that such a ban will only make RSS more powerful.
Ha ha- hardly 746 signitures!!!!!
Our campaign to save Ram Sethu got more than 1 crore signitures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to save something that never existed, quite incredible…and now what you guys re doing definitely makes RAM happy, i think RAM wants RSS men to kill as many so he can get on the top list on Gods with more dead bodies under his feet.,..nice
and now i think its time fort you guys to do a campaign to save yourself in government let us see how much votes you get then…
Many would be surprised but it is a fact that the issue on which they communalized minds and polarized Hindu votes and came to power, has now few takers. The city, which sent shockwaves across the country when Babri Masjid was demolished by karsevaks on 6th December 1992, now hates them.
Today there are few takers of Ram Mandir issue in Ayodhya whose overwhelming Hindu majority hates Hindutva outfits of Sangh Parivar and their leaders. Hindus living in the vicinity of the makeshift Ram Temple in Hanuman Garhi, Ayodhya outright reject the ideology of Hindutva. They say what happened in 1992 was the work of outsiders brought in by RSS, VHP and Bajrang Dal. Locals had nothing to do with them then. They have no interest in them now as well.
“Common Hindus here have never had any interest in Sangh Parivar, neither before the demolition of Babri Masjid, nor now. They do not take interest in programs held by outfits of Sangh Parivar,” Jugal Kishore Shastri, ex-RSS pracharak and resident of Hanuman Garhi, tells TwoCircles.net.
“If Sangh Parivar tries to repeat the incident of 6th December today in Ayodhya, there will be a division and revolt within the Hindu society. Majority of Hindus, which comprises OBCs and other backward classes, will forcefully oppose it,” says Shastri who is also an eyewitness of the demolition of Babri Masjid. People have become aware now. Such awareness was not in 1992. Now Sangh Parivar feels isolated from the mainstream Hindu society. People say they are anti human and antinational, adds Shastri who has worked for communal harmony here and have held several programs to make masses aware of the design and plan of Sangh Parivar.
Dr Samrat Ashok Maurya, resident of Hanuman Garhi, says there are few buyers of the ideology of Hindutva organizations. “They are flop here. It is difficult for them to gather even 100 locals in their programs. If they do not bring people from outside and do not pollute the minds of rural people, their programs are completely flop,” Dr Samrat Ashok tells TCN.
“People living outside Ayodhya have misunderstandings about Ayodhya residents. They think local Hindus will be votary to Hindutva or extremist Hindu ideology. This is completely wrong and baseless,” says Dr Samrat emphatically.
“The peaceful situation here is disturbed by antisocial elements who come from outside for mere politics. The same thing happened in 1992. Then too locals had not changed their mind. They were all the way secular. Locals are not communal. They have never involved in communal riots. They are sponsored by VHP and BJP and executed by antisocial elements that come from outside,” he says.
Ram Narayan Maurya, another Ayodhya resident, echoes general feeling of Hindus. “Local people have no interest in RSS, VHP or Bajrang Dal. People want to live with peace. They do not want to have any business with these organizations.” “When leaders like Togadia or Singhal come here people pay little attention to them because they know they are doing just politics, and their presence here creates trouble for common people as heavy security arrangements are made for them, which ultimately hamper businesses of local people,” says Ram Narayan.
Common Hindus say the Ram Temple issue raised by Sangh Parivar was just politics and to get power. Construction of Ram Temple was never in their plan.
“Construction of Mandir had never been the main purpose of the Ram Temple movement. The main purpose was to unite the Hindu society and capture the power. Construction of Mandir and install their own pujari was never the aim,” says Jugal Kishore Shastri.
“It is a principle of Sangh Parivar that Hindu society must be united even at the cost of killing of humanity. Though it says it is a cultural organization, RSS has indirectly been attached to politics. Earlier it guided Jan Sangh and now BJP,” he says. Sometimes they give impression that there is rift between RSS and BJP but it is just to befool public. Their main purpose is to set a Hindu Rashtra. For that purpose they have created BJP. And in Hindu Rashtra there will be no democracy but monarchy because in Hindu ideology and religious books we find only monarchs and emperors, he adds.
Shastri left Sangh Parivar in 1986 and with him hundreds of people from Backward classes also left it. He was Ayodhya secretary of VHP. He took the decision when he realized that if Sangh Parivar got full power they will impose Manusmirti – the constitution of caste system. “After spending a few years I found that Sangh hates OBCs, Dalits and backward classes. I come from that class. I came to know that Manusmirti is their first constitution. It means they want to please just 20% of population. I came to the conclusion that if they came to power they will impose Manusmirti and I and our class and OBCs and Dalits will be pushed to ancient time,” he says.
Ram Narayan Maurya says: “These Sangh organizations are doing politics over Ram and people do not have interest in them. People are not listening to them.”
As people thinking on this line are in majority in Ayodhya, there is complete communal harmony here. Both communities take part in each other’s social and cultural programs. There is no communal feeling.
“Common Hindus consider Sangh Parivar, not Muslims, their enemy. But the creamy class of Hindu society that comprises Brahmins and landed people still have affiliation with Sangh because they eye political and economic benefits that this affiliation could give them. But they are just 25%. The rest 70% Hindus think otherwise. They see Sangh as their enemy. In Ayodhya Muslims and common Hindus have good relations, and there is no communal feeling between them. They take part in each other’s social and cultural programs,” says Jugal Kishore Shastri.
“Hindus want peace and there is peace in Ayodhya. Muslims also want peace and both the communities are living peacefully here. There is complete communal harmony here,” says Ram Narayan Maurya. Maurya likes communal harmony programs organized at regular interval by some NGOs. To attend such programs he sometimes shuts down his shop.
Dr Samrat Ashok Maurya says there is complete communal harmony here in Ayodhya. “Members of the two communities are so closely living and interacting with each other that one cannot identify who is Hindu and who is Muslim. Hindus and Muslims take part in each others’ social and cultural activities,” he says. Dr Maurya seems to have got communal harmony and secularism in his blood. His father was breastfed by a Muslim woman for one and half years when he was just one and his mother died.
To Deepak even though i know he is a hardcore secularist and a well wisher on india as a nation (but surprisingly living in USA, instead of working among the Indians)
Please have a look at these links….
Thanks BUT NO thanks arun, books trying to explain CASTE SYSTEM as a fair thing??? I don’t think so…only fanatics like you have time to read things like this. And talking about living in USA, for your knowledge I am an american citizen,, hence I love this country where everyone is given equal opportunity to rise in his life, not like FAKE INDIAN DEMOCRACY where people are told by birth that they re untouchable and cannot prosper in life, and I don’t want to associate ever in my life with a country where hindus/muslims/sikhs all alike kill at an average 1 million girls before or during pregnancy…oh yes I am thankful to god I live in USA…
I feel so sad that why we indians are wasting the time pulling each others legs instead .first lets stop think and then act who is fooling us in the name of religion we are been fooled by these greedy politians. from thousands of years we lived together and shared common problems ,why are we behaving like aliens with each lets realise before it gets too late our countrys future is is in our hands.
this person deepak is a paki agent. while residing in us he does not have any right to teach us indians alesson on our country.
HATS OFF TO DEEPAK
You have a very useful and cognitive blog. A lot of interesting information.
What do you expect of kings and rulers. Thier ambition was devouring terrotories and not religons as such. all kings are ruthless. Nader Shah’s biggest battle in India was against the Mughals Battle of Karnal in February 1939. He vaptured Mohammad Shah and entered Delhi. When a rumour broke out that Nader had been assassinated, some of the Indians attacked and killed Persian troops. Nader reacted by ordering his soldiers to plunder the city. During the course of one day (March 22) 20,000 to 30,000 Indians were killed by the Persian troops, forcing Mohammad Shah to beg for mercy. In response, Nader Shah agreed to withdraw, but Mohammad Shah paid the consequence in handing over the keys of his royal treasury, and losing even the Peacock Throne to the Persian emperor.
So kings are ruthless and this is what is expected out of them.
apparetly I am paki agent trying to waste time on a Hindu website intead of making terror plotes against hindus?? lol
cooldude apparently is in fact a slavery to BJPians…it tuns in his blood, hence the only logical solution that comes to his mind is to call me a paki agent.
Then advani is NO.1 PAKI AGENT who went to porkistan and put his head on Jinnah’s kabar…shame on cheap attitude and baseless ideology!!
bangladesh azad karvaya hamne……90000 pakistani soldiers were captured…..
1965 me we captured 721 mile square compared 2 ur 221 mile square land….though we fought china 3 years ago…..
kashmir war me…..uuchai par hone ke bavjud kutte ki maut mare gaye…..
phir bhi akad gayi nhi madarchodon……
…..Khush hone ke liye log kya kya bahane palte hain ye aapke is blog se saaf saaf pata chalta h…..Koi na beta tu khush reh
Saala pakistanion se pura Ek bada Sa desh Pakistan alag kar diya India ne…..3 War har gaye….Phir bhi Har nhi manoge..Kyun….
Sorry Deepak ke liye nhi h mera blog…..its for da person who created dis blog
wtf?? is this guy jerking off to the point where is logigal sense bugs have burned out of wat?/ why the heck is he telling me about India-pakistan wars?? lmao…hillarious…retard to the core!!
Yera porkis did loose big time in history but see they still think they can defeat India…same way you BJPians and RSS rapist loose election after election, have mere been in center govt for 5 years and still think you can drive India’s future and hindus??
Mainstream hindu soceity does not give a BULLS CRAP about hindutva and your anti-human agenda of divide and rule.. RSS/VHP are soon going to be thing of past, and if another strong leader like Indira comes to power, you folls will be banned from India.
See friend u have written some correct things but let me correct u gujrat riots victims were 3000&ur saying 1000 i cant digest it writing this blog this will create only poison between us so plz dont do this politicians are doing it very nicely but think from all angles&increase integration not divideation so plz thinkIts once what ru getting so be creative not destructive
and reply me
Dear Mr Shoaib,
Kindly see this. http://www.gujaratriots.com/7/myth-1-2000-muslims-were-killed-in-the-gujarat-riots/
In our opinion- this contains enough evidence to show that total people killed in the riots cannot be more than 1267. We agree with you that there should be no poison spread anywhere by anyone. That is why the real figures of the number of people should be told. 3,000 in our opinon is an exaggerated number- and will only infuriate Muslims and needlessly instigate them. Also- terrorists can use this exaggerated number and words like ‘genocide’ to brainwash innocent youth for terrorism. When the correct figure is around 1200- increasing it by 1800 more will be incorrect- what if others also increase the number of Hindus killed in Godhra from 59 to 1859?
However- we are open for correction- and if you have any evidence that 3000 people were killed in the riots, do bring it to our notice. We will make the changes accordingly.
If Mr.Modi ordered to kill thousands of Hindus instead of carefully tackling the problem on that time, these pseudo-secular leaders should have congratulated him. And there will be hundreds of such riots. But Mr.Modi tactfully saved thousands and stopped all further communal riots. Thus, he saved Hindus as well as Muslims from further riots. Now, the people irrespective of religion, is happy and thankful to him. This strait forward and most efficient man is to lead the Nation.
These so called secular party leaders are not loving or sincere to Muslims. The just utilize them for power. They are actually alienating the Muslims community from the Nation for Vote.
Welcome to the REAL FACE OF TERRORIST RSS ORGANIZATION.
These are so called “peaceful hindus”, who went on a rampage on AAJ TAK OFFICE, because they cannot bear to see their terrorist hindu leaders making plans to create tensions within country!!
It is AAJ TAK’S mistake to show the truth by doing sting. They want to ignore the fact that these people were in fact making terror plans, but will simply call this CONGRESS’ conspiracy.
What kind of peaceful people damage property and use violence in theier protests?? THIS IS A CLEAR MENTALITY OF A VIOLENT/TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
RSS has always been a terror org, it has nothing to do with Hinduism, it is just using it as a cloak to cover its hate campaign. It uses poor and uneducated youth as its soldiers by luring them with money, power and the idea of being able to capture and abuse minority womens.
This is the biggest tool they use to lure them into killing innocents. If RSS members were anything but peaceful, they would have had a open debate on the video, instead of attacking AAJ TAK office.
They always say, GUJARAT GENOCIDE was a reaction to what local muslims did, now what was the cause of their volence in AAJ TAK offices in delhi??
Aaj tak did not attack any RSS member ohysically or anused them, they simply played recordings of the sting operation, and seeing this bitter and shocking truth, these people could only do what they had been taught. To attack in thousands and be called brave hindus.
On 4 October 2008 former Congress MINISTER of Gujarat Mohammad Surti was convicted and sentenced to 20 years jail along with 5 others. These 5 others too must have been Congressmen- this can be checked from Gujarat. Link for this report:
The Indian Express of March 5 2002 reported on Godhra that Congress leaders are accused in Godhra:
* Mehmud Hussain Kalota, convener of the Congress district minority cell and president of the Godhra municipality
* Salim Abdul Ghaffar Sheikh, president of the Panchmahal Youth Congress
* Abdul Rehman Abdul Majid Ghantia, a known Congress worker
* Farroukh Bhana, secretary of the district Congress committee
* Haji Bilal, a known Congress worker”
It can be alleged that the brain behind Godhra carnage was none other than Sonia Gandhi herself- who ordered her partymen in Godhra to roast karsewaks in Godhra to create riots in a BJP-ruled state. Of course, this would be going too far- but if Congress goes too far, then this argument can be used.
The Times of India dated 9 August 2003 also says that 25 Congress leaders were accused of being involved in attacks on Muslims.
Justice Tewatia committee report also said that Modi’s charge that Congress is instigating violence to collapse the NDA is hard to reject.
Congress allied with TNMMK- a party involved in 1998 Coimbatore blasts. Congressmen have been declared guilty for rioting and attacking and killing Hindus in Vadodara in March 2002 on 16 October 2003. Congress has nakedly supported terrorists in Ishrat Jahan case when Vaghela alleged that encounter was fake and Modi staged it to get public sympathy. For this, Congress can be charged with treason. Lalu Yadav also nakedly defended terrorists by alleging that Godhra was done by BJP/RSS even though Banerjee Committee said that it was an accident- thereby acquitting BJP/RSS in Godhra.
Congress alliance with Muslim League has not been raised enough by BJP. Had the reverse been the case, Congress would not have let BJP get away with it. The credibility has Congress has gained on ‘secularism’ can be destroyed by REPEATED raising of this alliance with Muslim League by top BJP leaders, from L.k.Advani, Nitin Gadkari, to all spokespersons.I saw “Aaj Tak”, a mostly peaceful demonstration saw just petty violence, which was called Talibanism. PETTY VIOLENCE CALLED TALIBANISM. NCP workers attacked Zee Marathi’s office in January 2004- how did the media respond to that? Aaj Tak invited Digvijay Singh to speak non-stop without anyone from BJP or RSS to respond and he talked of all ‘social brotherhood’ without answering how the Congress supports Muslim League and TNMMK. He also said RSS ideology was responsible for Gandhiji’s assassination. The answer to this is it is Communist ideology of murder and violence, followed worldwide, that killed Gandhiji and not RSS’. CONGRESS FASCISM WAS BARED IN 1975 EMERGENCY. Congress allied with ULFA in Assam in 2001 and Naxals in Andhra in 2004 for power.
That Headlines Today sting on RSS was done by Ashish Khetan. This man can be prosecuted for his 2007 Tehelka sting RSS is thinking of taking legal action against channels like Aaj Tak.
Congress should also be asked to explain the comment by its then President Sitaram Kesri in 1998 that RSS carried out the Coimbatore blasts. And so much for democracy, how does Congress react when the Marathi play “Me Nathuram Godse Boltoy” is played? They indulge in violence and damage all property- though the play has been cleared. And it also banned “Da Vinci Code” in Andhra, Punjab and DMK-Cong in Tamil Nadu. If RSS is called ‘fascist’ over such petty violence, and demanded to be banned, what should be done to Congress which killed 3,000 Sikhs in 1984 and whose so many members have been declared guilty for TERRORISM and rioting.
And let me make it clear- before you go barking off again, that I have NOTHING TO DO WITH RAMESH MNTRI (or whatever his real name is if not this). I am telling Mr Ramesh that I live in Melbourne. If you also live here, we can meet. YOU BLOODSUCKER DEEPAK…
RAMESH MANTRI’S QUOTE : “That Headlines Today sting on RSS was done by Ashish Khetan. This man can be prosecuted for his 2007 Tehelka sting RSS is thinking of taking legal action against channels like Aaj Tak.
Ok?? BUT HOW DOES IT MAKE WHAT HE SHOWED FALSE?/ OR WHAT AAAJ TAK SHOWED THIS TIME AS LIE?? JUST BECAUSE RSS CAN TAKE LEGAL ACTION, DOE SNOT MEAN IT IS NOT TRUE??
HOW QUICKLY RSS SLAVES CAME ON STREETS TO ATTACK AAJTAK OFFICE, WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR TO FILE CASE AGAINST THAT MAN?? OR MATTER FACT WHAT IS BJP WEAITING FOR TO FILE CASE AGAINST PEOPLE TALKING AGAINST THEM SINCE 2002 RIOTS??
RAMESH’S ANOTHER QUOTE: “a mostly peaceful demonstration saw just petty violence, which was called Talibanism. PETTY VIOLENCE CALLED TALIBANISM.
Petty violence?? they entered inside AAJTAK PREMISE and damaged their property, this is UNLAWFUL, CRIMINAL AND VIOLENT as simple as that, only goons do that, specially those who are slaves to extremist ideologies…Who like top rape, torture and mame innocents.
The only weapon of debate for this disgusting hindu extremist slaves is to counter everything with another similar incident.
JUST BECAUSE HE KILLED HIM, I CAN KILL SOMEONE TOO!! This is the way BJP/RSS/VHP slaves argue to save their leadership. ADVANI, sicne loosing election, cannot even tie his langoti properly, that why he called MODI to delhi and UP to help him out.
MODI, out of shame, for BJPSs defeat in 2009, is running to other states to try to promote his parties looser face in front of public.
Yes, congress members were criminals for what they did in 84. But RSS parivar is the biggest enemy of hindus and enemy for using their blood to kill muslim/christians decades after decade, starting in 65, 70s, 89, 92, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2008, causing riots and mayhem all over India.
Mr. RAMESH here is justifying the sting by talking about prosecuting the guy, who cares. Talk about what is being seen on the TV, prosecution will come later.
TELL US WHAT THESE HINDU TERRORIST LEADERS, SOME OF THEM SWAMIS AND ALL THAT ARE SAYING? ARE THEY MAKING RSS NEXT 5 YEARS PLAN?? NO THEY ARE MAKING TERROR PLANS TO CAUSE DESTRUCTION IN INDIA.
THESE AND YOU SLAVES, ARE SAME AS JEM, JUD, AL-QUEDA. YOU ALL USE HATRED AS BIGGEST TOOL, YOU TEACH YOUNG KIDS IN YOUR SHAKHA TO KILL MUSLIM/CHRISTIANS BECAUSE THEY ARE SERPENTS. I HAVE TALKED TO MANY HINDU RSS LOOSERS, ALL TALK SAME SHIT!! NOTHING NEW.
RAMESH MANTRI JI, GO AND PREPAPRE FOR 2014 ELECTIONS, BECAUSE THIS TIME YOUR PARTY WILL GET 80 SEATS WO BHI AGAR MNS NE SAATH DIYA…
Unless..Muslims in India..leave their fundamentalism…no community can live peacefully…Muslims have problem with Hindus..Muslims have problem with Sikhs… They are fighting with Jews in Israel for years…They hate Christians…….
Hindus in India..have very good relations with Sikhs, Jains and Christians….Hindus living in other countries are treated as peace loving creatures…
Why only Muslims are on fight with every other community in world..there must be something wrong within themselves…their Shariyat Law..is very barbaric…Muslims majority countries fall behind other countries in terms of liberalism and human rights..
The real problem lies in Muslim fundamentalism….yes Hindus are also fundamentalist but nothing compared to muslims..
Infact every community was barbaric in past…but every one move up with time..
Hindus..had barbaric Sati Pratha..They slaughtered animals in name of sacrifice, they had foolish child marriages, they were used to child marriages, Caste System was very much prominent…yes it still there but its slowly n slowly going away…..Every community is moving with time..and leaving the things which are obstacles in living peacefully with others…
Except ……unfortunately muslims haven’t moved up with the time…not as much as others….Muslims youth still gives much importance to their religious leaders speech…then to enjoy life..
only creative minds can build a better world….hindus, muslims n every one….needs to leave religious stubbornness….we should treat human as human not as hindu n muslim…(being idealistic here)..
huh….so ultimately I wanna say is that…if someone loves his religion like a fanatic…then he is bound to ignore human standing near by him…..So give value to humanity and to prehistoric religion….
by the way I dont like to be associated to any religion…..i just believe in mother nature…..thats it…..Aish karo yaaron……zindagi bahut chhoti hai..
Lets hope Muslims become open minded..and leave zihadic view…
but right now the situation is getting more and worse….
Muslim population in India is increasing rapidly….with in 10 years they will account for 40% and if they get to 60%..they will surely (considering the history of other muslim majority countries) enforce shariyat….and will force conversion of others to Islam………..
those who think that it is a joke….read iranian revoultion…
now consider this……
India in 1947 was united…and the population of hindus and muslims were scatterred all over…they were living there for more than 1000 years ok….so population was distributes randomly..
Now on 15th august 1947..partition occured…many hindus killed in pakistan…and many muslims killed in india….
but today…after 60 years…what is population of Hindus in pakistan…?????? and in Bangladesh….those two countries …just earased Hindus, Jains and Sikhs population from their land…
but in India….Muslims infact have grown to a larger no…and today their growth rate is highest…
This HINDU vs MUSLIM problem in India is not just a problem of India…. Infact this is just the Indian version of the problem called…EVERYONEELSE vs MUSLIMS…..
Muslim dont let their sister marry other..but their guys happily marry other community girls..to convert them..
Muslim dont allow conversion from islam to other religion….they kill the converted one…but always seeks the conversion to islam…
Never follow family planning…..even if parents are poor they will produce babies…to create maniac in society..
Just take a look at muslim majority countries in world…and you will find they are in 100% majority….thier shariyat rule dont allow any other religion to florish and not even worship…
Muslims consider themselves part of umma….not part of india…
they have more feeling for their people of pakistan than for Indians…. they have strong problem in saying Vande Mataram…
And infact I wanna say that..Muslim Extremist are like a cancer that slowly but surely eating India….once they reach 60% population…once they are in majority …then Hindus, Jains and Sikhs will be again killed like rats…..and Hidustan will become Islamistan…..unless we take strong action…
By strong action I dont mean..that we also need to kill muslims just like they are used to do with others…
I mean there should be a birth control law in country just like china had……that no one is allowed to bear more than 2 babies…including hindus and muslims…this way population can be controlled..
We need to protect our borders and stop illegal immigration of muslims from pakistan and bangladesh to India….every day 1000s of people enter india…and are making it a hell
And the last but not least…..only educated people should be allowed to vote…..because the countries politics is based on population…..as muslim population grows more n more leaders…like lalu, mulayam, mayawati and congress..will be supporting muslims..blindly……..
Well….I see muslims as problem…but I can’t help it….because they love their religion more their life..and that in turn makes other life a hell…
So muslim buddies if you have any …sense of humanity…you should not support zihadi…and should work towards development….
though that is very difficult for you all….now i am bound have very abusive replies from muslim buddies…..and ofcourse they can reply….but try to something change your dangerous image…ok
Isn’t anyone ashamed to compare these numbers? These are dead ‘people’ we are talking about– each with their own sacrificed conception of this increasingly insane world. May the conscientious reader of these macabre words spit on this country that can give birth to such sick, heartless, idiots.
WORLD KNOW WHAT KIND OF NARENDRA modi when kalam meet people a whoman says ya sab is aadni ki waja se hua hai ye fasad ki jar hai no can justify godhra why the creat a violece in gujrat no police no force no law what kind of government i read in tenth standard what is government mybe modi do not know said then why commits that he is a future pm no never, nor advani neither modi can a pm JAB DUNYA DEKHTI HAI BABRI MASJID AUR GUJRAAT KO TO KOI COMISION YE NAHI KEHTA YE JHUT FAKE HAI AFSOS PHIR BHI SAB WAHEE HAI PHIR BHI I LOVE MY INDIA
Every one agree that there are two types in community one is rich and another is poor irrespective of religion. By going through all these comments by rocky, mohit, and gopal my advice them to is leave these kind of thoughts and start thinking positively in every aspect in the sence of national integrity and prosperity.
Every human has the same soul and heart, goons are there in every religion. This all cunning games played by politicians in the sake of power. power in their sence is money corruption and scams.. they are going rich by rich by year to year. making lot of money in forign investments and making country to go in behind eras by promoting relegious events..
need to open your eyes and mind brother, its not even too late.
\still lot to say,, but remember there are good and bad aevery where in your families too. but dont try to make it put on religious labe on top of it.
Top 10 Signs You Are a Hindu Fanatic
10. You believe anyone who wears even so much as a saffron underwear is a human incarnation of ’Jagat Brahman‘ (God) and address them as “baba”, “swami”, “shri shri” finding the servile pleasure of touching their feet ‘intoxicating’.
9. You defend militantly everything the saffron-clad swamis have to preach, no matter how illogical and ridiculous, and believe that he/she will solve all your problems only if you continue singing bhajans (devotional songs).
8. You eject out of your chair at the slightest noise of someone uttering the word ‘Hinduism’ accusing the person of ignorance and launching into a lengthy diatribe on why the fool needs to address Hinduism as ‘Sanatana Dharma’.
7. You think all Muslims are “terrorists” and call any person who does not support the ‘Hindutva’ cause as an anti-Hindu, anti-India, pseudo-secular communist.
6. You accuse Muslims of being intolerant and yet become endlessly peeved at the distorted displays of hindu symbols or the use of hindu deities in works of art or movies by non-hindus and take boundless pride in protesting against such distortions or threatening them with dire consequences.
5. You spend hundreds of idle hours trying to find the ‘real’ meaning of different hindu symbols and slokas and take immense pride whenever the western media mentions something remotely Hindu – convinced that it is an undeniable evidence supporting the ‘greatness’ of “Hindu civilization”
4. You accuse ‘goras’(whites, but typically means Christians) of being racist when they ridicule Hindus but find no problems cracking Chinese jokes, Sardar jokes or even supporting the caste system by deciding not to marry outside your caste.
3. You find fairy tales of other religions amusing and entertaining but consider the epic fairy tales of Ramayana and Mahabharata as ‘itihaas’ (history).
2. You have no idea what a ‘testable hypothesis’ is but proudly claim that the Vedas are scientific works, distorting slokas and quoting personal opinion of scientists to make your case.
1. You have never read the entire Bhagavad Gita or other hindu religious texts but feel you are competent enough to talk about them loudly just because you read a few Amar Chitra Katha comics when you were a kid.
I wonder why in its all these year of existance Tehelka has not carried any sting against any of known corrupt congressmen/aliases, Ashok Chavan, Sukhram, Lalu, Sonia, Suresh kalmadi,Jagdish Tytler, Sjjan Singh, Mayavati —– list can not be completed. It has proved beyound doubt that they are run by Congress or its italian connection.
Kaaminey Hindu Virodhiyom ye Hindusthan he Pakisthan Nahi. Hindu ko gali detha he usko bhi Bada dilwala Hindu Sweekar Kartha hei. Lekin thum tho Bade namk haram nikaley kamminom. Ab tho vakth Aaya hei ki Mu Thod Javaab dena, Jisne Hindu ke oopar hath uttaya kaat dena hey un Saalom ko aur khilana hey bediyom ko. Kaamina Anthakvadiyom ko peida karneyvalom thera tho Satya nash ho… Wake Up Hindus….You are cleverly being fooled by Self called Secularists… You are Being Fooled by these Butchers for 1000 years, even you are Not Aware of the Fact. Wake Up…Get United…Bharath Matha is in need of Us. Its time to throw & Cut the People like M.F.Hussain who is trying to Paint ‘Rape of India’. Khalas karna hey un Saalom ko Jo Bharath Maa ke Upar Athyachar Karen…. Vande Matharam
cant believe that i actually read this article….
the person is completely lunatic…
justifying riots !!!!! and comparing them…
this is 2012 my friend, not 1399..
a killing is a killing even if a single person is butchered. just grow up and educate yourself..
Mr Sandy, since you cannot refute us, you are putting words in our mouths and falsely accusing us of “Justifying Riots”. We have said many times that we consider even a single killing as one too many. You are an absolute lunatic, not we. If someone lies that the 2002 riots were the “worst ever”, then it is everyone’s duty to bring out the TRUTH, that they were not. Where have we justified riots? Educate the media on not lying about riots. Comparing riots is NOT justifying them my dear lunatic. You refuse to engage in a debate and refuse to answer the questions and arguments raised by us, but you know how to vilify people. That is your strength – ad hominem.
as per english style, your name is too sandy, but you think those badly burnt persons, who were burned in the sabarmati express? if those incident might be happened by hindus, the whole idia might be burnt, not only gujrat. is this 2012, where, if anybody supports hindusthany, they will be unsecular and who supports muslims, they will be secular as language of our politicians, mps, mlas.
You refuse to engage in a debate and refuse to answer the arguments and facts, but you know how to vilify people. That is your strength – ad hominem. Villify us, abuse us, call us FASCISTS, Modi’s men etc etc but never ever even try to REFUTE and PIN POINT what wrong we have written.